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"Change Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to Ahmadiyya Community". Ahmadiyya Community is not a Muslim community they are non-Muslims. 2400:ADC5:181:6C00:314B:A01B:CFEA:DB2B (talk) 19:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Place this request on the talk page of the article you want to have the change in. You have accidentally posted it to the MOS talk page RudolfRed (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question about MOS:BOLDSYN; is this a valid bolding? If we cannot bold the article's title in the first sentence of the lead, should we be bolding alternate titles that are not the article's actual title? In the case of a single bolding, that bolding should represent the article's primary title only; at least, that's always been my understanding. Let me know if this isn't necessarily correct, or if it is. Thanks. -- /Alex/₂₁ 12:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This situation actually isn't addressed in BOLDSYN, there's been at least one other article that comes to my mind ,where I've added this type of bolding, and there may be other cases out there. Whether the answer is yes or no it may be useful to address it. Thanks, TheDoctorWho Public (talk) 14:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects would typically be bolded in the lead per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT. This case with Flux in not a redirect, but is linked from a disambiguation page. I could swear there used to be some guidance about bolding terms from dabs as well, but maybe it was removed at some point.—Bagumba (talk) 05:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With the above said it may be useful to note in this specific situation that Doctor Who: Flux, the full alternate title, IS a redirect to the article, with just Flux being an abbreviated version of the alternate. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The guidance I was thinking of for bolding terms from disambiguation entires turns out tohave been specifically regarding nicknames in bios per MOS:NICKBOLD: Common nicknames, aliases, and variants are usually given in boldface in the lead, especially if they redirect to the article, or are found on a disambiguation page or hatnote and link from those other names to the article. One would think the spirit would apply to prominent alternative titles for non-bios, or that bios and non-bios should be consistent.—Bagumba (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per both MOS:BOLDSYN and MOS:BOLDREDIRECT that is valid, however it should use the full name Doctor Who: Flux and not a short name in its first use. Gonnym (talk) 07:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The "Doctor Who" prefix would be redundant in an article concerning "Doctor Who". -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to bring attention back to my response on the discussion started about this on the articles talk page where I said that it may not be redundant in its first use. TheDoctorWho (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given the function of the lede as a short summary and the requirement that it be no longer than four paragraphs, I would argue that an article only 1-4 paragraphs long does not need a lede. Can that be made explicit in this guideline? Praemonitus (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding MOS:LEADLANG, at what point is the subject of the article so closely associated with a non-English language, that a foreign translation should be included in the first sentence? Your input at Talk:Steinbach, Manitoba#Translation in lead is appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How should dualled place names generally be presented in an articles lede and infobox, when the dual name is not the common name?

A: As at Uluru - All names in lede as WP:ALTNAMES, with the title as the leading name. Individual names in infobox.

B: As at Disentis - All names in lede as WP:ALTNAMES, with the title as the leading name. Dual name in infobox.

C: As at Bradshaw Sound - Only the dual name in lede, dual name in infobox.

The RFC is held at this central location as it affects articles about places in Australia, France, New Zealand, and Switzerland, but it is not intended to alter the MOS. The context of the RFC is ongoing debate about the ideal format, which this RFC is intended to resolve in a consistent manner. 03:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• A. C omits important information, as it doesn't explain to the reader what the dual name is, and it may confuse readers not familiar with dual names by failing to give an explanation why the name used in the lede and infobox is different from the title. Further, it gives WP:UNDUE prominence to the official name at the expense of the common name.

A is also preferable over B, again due to WP:UNDUE prominence issues, though these are significantly reduced. The issues around clarity are similarly reduced, though they do remain due to the fact that some readers skip straight to the infobox for a summary. BilledMammal (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• A plus more Article titles are predominantly determined by WP:COMMONNAME as determined in English language source, which may be different from the official name. It is most natural/logical (IMO) for the article title to take precedence in the lead (since this is justified by the sources and would be IAW WP:WEIGHT). Also IAW WP:WEIGHT any other names should also be given in the lead. Ideally, the reasons/relationship of the other names should be made clear in the lead or the first section thereafter at the very least (and only if it requires too much explanation that would be beyond the scope of the lead. The article title will generally be how the subject is referred to in the article - except if the change is historic and it might be referred to by its earlier name in historic context or to explain the occurrence of different names. Only the article title is the only name that needs to appear in the infobox. Both names might appear in the infobox but perhaps only if there is no clear common name. Option C is definitely out per BilledMammal. The infobox is a supplement to and not a replacement for the lead. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]