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Impact on GA reviews of zoological name changes

Eustrombus gigas, being reviewed, seems to need to be renamed - there's a lot of zoological renaming since the 1990s. I don't think we can quarantine articles while the zoologists achieve stability, and over 95% of the content of this article would be unaffected. It appears the new name should be used at WP:GA if the article passes. In the meantime should the name be changed at WP:GAN. --Philcha (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Getting the word out on the GAN report revival

Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Report is back up and running. I put a link at the top of WP:GAN. Not sure how else to get the word out. Can we get a notice in WP:POST. I will drop them a note.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I hadn't noticed until I saw the message here, so now I know it works (Yay!). As for beyond this tough to say. I guess the people high in the on hold backlog will notice it's working by my poking them :P Wizardman 18:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the StatisticianBot is also updating the Backlog template, can the "If you review one of these articles, please remove it from the list and add the next oldest." be removed? -maclean (talk) 23:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This statement was there when the list was being bot-updated before, and IMO, it should be retained. The bot actually adds the ten oldest articles to the list (five visible and five hidden), so as people review articles throughout the day, they can remove the article they reviewed and replace it with one of the hidden articles. It makes it so that more of the oldest noms are getting seen, and if we have an especially busy day, the list doesn't dwindle to nothing with none of the oldest noms being seen at the top. Dana boomer (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the statement should stay as per Dana boomer. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bot didn't update today. :/ Wizardman 14:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

QUESTION...word However

Is it normal to see articles getting promoted not just to GA level but FA level with the word However in an article 20 times?? like -->Drapier's Letters. Have seen this a lot lately and was wondering ... I thought this was a word to avoid! On many many GA reviews i have seen this word must be omitted to get GA level let alone Fa level. more info see Wikipedia:Words to avoid#However, although, whereas, despite. Just wondering..not planing to get reassessments, just would like to know wikis stance on the word.Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing inherently wrong with the word "however" (it's perfectly cromulent), but it's certainly one that people, including me, tend to overuse. I'd agree that its density is rather too high in that article, and if I'd reviewed it at FAC I'd have made that point, but it appears that nobody did. C'est la vie. In any event, articles are regularly promoted to GA status with far more serious prose problems. Steve Smith (talk) 06:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok tks ...now i feel like an A@#..I just told someone they cant use the word. LOL o well...sorry Ottava Rima i guess some editors have no problem with it. Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The point with these WTA (however, although, whereas, despite) is that they "can introduce an editorial bias" in some cases. They should be o. k. in the following, e.g.: "He was fond of...rich food, he disliked banquets and drinking, however". Or: "Despite his aquittal, rumours continued that he had killed his wife." I don't think the word "despite" introduces bias here, rather would being silent on either the rumours or the aquittal. These words are mostly needed to express a contrast; it is simply not possible to write a longer text this way: He was fond of...rich food; he disliked banquets and drinking...He was aquitted of murdering his wife; rumours that he had done so continued...this is good style for isolated instances, but impossible to do all the time. Buchraeumer (talk) 12:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bot is almost there

The bot code has reached maturity, and all major issues have been addressed. Anything more to do before we start considering implementation? @harej 21:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not clear what Implementation involves. You perhaps aught to start off by stating what "implementation" will involve and what changes nominators and reviewers will see and have to do. Pyrotec (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Implementation involves WP:GAN being generated automatically: it means reviewers and nominators will no longer have to edit this page; one less job to do. See my request below (post ec) for comments from reviewers. Geometry guy 22:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your work, harej. I encourage reviewers (and other interested editors) to watchlist User:RFC_bot/Sandbox_2 for a while and compare it (minus headers etc.) to the GAN page. Current activity should be mirrored there, although older reviews may not be reflected so accurately.

The automation of the GAN page has the potential to save a lot of work for nominators and reviewers; as the aim is to serve those who contribute so much to GA, comments and suggestions from regular reviewers would be particularly helpful. Geometry guy 22:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that many articles have the wrong subtopic listed in their GAN template parameter, resulting in them being listed in the wrong section on the page. This is most notable in articles that have no subtopic listed, as the articles end up in the "Miscellaneous" section. The parameters on the currently affected articles should be fixed, and nominators made aware of this issue for future nominations, before the bot goes live. Also, how often does the bot run? It appears from the history as if it's running once an hour - is there a way we could make this more frequent? Say every half hour or every 15 minutes? Third, what will the bot do in situations such as Talk:Hurricane Caroline (1975)/GA1? An editor has started the page, but not as the reviewer, rather simply as a commenter. From the look of the bot page, the bot reads this as the initiating editor being the main reviewer, and so lists the article as under review on the GAN page. This will make it so that (in general) no other reviewer looks at the article (thinking that it is under review) and so the article sits on the listing for much longer than it otherwise would have. I don't think the hurricane article is an isolated incident, either, because the same general principle is happening at Talk:United Arab Emirates/GA1. I think the bot needs a bit more tweaking before it's ready for the main page.Dana boomer (talk) 22:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WOW great work ....now more time spent on articles and not GA page edit....you are my hero!!! Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the bot not recognizing when review pages are started just to comment, two quick points: (1) when a reviewer starts and then quits a review the same problem exists, and (2) I think the editor doing either of these things will have to modify the template somehow to tell the bot this, and this will require instructions somewhere, and so can't really be corrected before we implement the bot. Diderot's dreams (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The same problem exists in the current system; someone will mark the page on-review and then they end up disappearing. Under both systems you can leave a note stating that the reviewer is MIA (in the automated system, via the note parameter in {{GA nominee}} that allows people to leave notes). Now, I could get really fancy and have the bot check the age of the latest comment, then leave the appropriate message on the GAN listing. (Something like

This review has not received any comments in two weeks). Such a feature would serve as conspicuous warnings of review abandonment and is far more feasible under an automated system. @harej 17:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not referring to abandoning a review without notice, I mean the reviewer quits by saying "I can't finish this" on the review page and removes that the "I am reviewing" ({{GAReview}}) template at GAN.

For abandoned reviews without notice, I think the bot leaving a warning notice at GAN is a good idea. Diderot's dreams (talk) 15:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the former would end up becoming the latter, though the reviewer should leave in a note that s/he's given up on the review. That would be more explicit in inviting new reviewers. @harej 17:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And as you can see on User:RFC bot/Sandbox 2, such a notice is now in effect. @harej 03:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great. But I disagree that a properly quitted review is not going to be picked up by another reviewer under the current system, because the "I am reviewing" tag is removed at GAN and the article looks open for review like any one that hasn't been touched yet. And once a new reviewer goes to the article talk page, they probably will investigate the discrepency they see by reading the review page and see that the reviewer quit.

It certainly would be a good idea for the old reviewer in this case to use the note parameter to leave a note on the template, but remember that you recently added the that parameter to the template. It isn't used much because reviewers don't know about it, including me until you told me. Like most editors, I don't read template documentation. So, like I said, explicit instructions for these cases need to be given in the GAN instructions or on the template. Well, at least in the new automated system. No sense changing instructions in the old system since we're not going to be using it much longer. Diderot's dreams (talk) 10:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the appropriate changes to my draft of the modified GAN guidelines. @harej 02:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect dates being used

Hang on! The bot is using incorrect paramaters for the nomination date. Appears to reading the start of review date. At the top of Theastre, Film, Drama are 5 articles without nomination dates, similar in other sections. Comparison of WP:GAN and User:RFC bot/Sandbox 2 show a number of inconsistencies. Interseting idea but needs more work. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see what you mean by incorrect parameters for the nomination date. The nomination date is the date as signed in the {{GA nominee}} template and the bot reflects that. Likewise, the review date is the date listed beneath the main listing, as determined from the review page. @harej 15:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well if you look at an artcile I have under review at present, Al Williamson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views): WP:GAN shows it having been nominated 20 August, the bot as 24 October (timed at one hour after I started the review!!); Scrubs (TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - GAN 7 August, bot 9 September; Some of these are caused by the changes to the template which effectivel re-nominated articles by adding false nomination dates; Aiden Ford (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) actually nominated 1 October, shown in the bot list without nomination details. Just compare the two lists, GAn and bot generated. There are more than twenty errors. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - This is very weird. Now that I have some free time, I am going to investigate. @harej 17:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - The Al Williamson example has nothing to do with my bot, and the Aiden Ford example is caused by a non-standard timestamp. Non-standard timestamps usually don't occur, as most people do {{subst:GAN}}, which uses a proper timestamp. @harej 03:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I have fixed nominations wherever I could. The case was largely older nominations that did not transition well for some reason. @harej 04:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:AndyZ/peerreviewer script needs adoption

This script often used in GA/FA reviews needs adoption by an active user or a WikiProject. Please see my comments here for a centralized discussion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator gone

I reviewed Robert Novak for GA and placed it on hold. However, it appears that the nominator, User:The Squicks, retired a couple of days ago. Do I fail it, since the concerns likely won't be addressed? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would do that. If there was someone who still cared about the article, they could take over as the nominator. In the meantime, fail the nomination. @harej 04:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it only needs smaller tweaks and the like, ask the appropriate wikiprojects or people he works with and see if they'll pick up the slack (i had this sam issue once with a footy article, they all pitched in). If it's more source-based issues that the nom would need to look at then just fail it. Wizardman 05:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His retirement seems rather abrupt (so he could come out of retirement just as abruptly). He still has several nomination here, one as recent as Oct 30 What is done with the other nominations? maclean (talk) 06:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We've had abrupt retirements and returns within the tropical cyclone project. It might just be best to let them all run their course, in case the person returns. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]