If there's someone better than me at coding, which I highly suspect there is, I'd like to get assessment criteria included in our template. The code can be copied and modified as necessary from the WikiProject France template; I'm just not sure exactly what parts to use and don't want to mess up the template we already have. matt91486 17:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is actually a more urgent problem than I thought. All of the article's I have tagged only have their talk pages appear in the Wikiproject category. How can I make the parent articles appear? I'll hold off on tagging more articles until we can get this code problem resolved. I wish I were better at it!

Well, maybe this is a general problem; I glanced at WikiProject Spain and it's the same situation for them. It's possible we don't have a better solution yet? matt91486 17:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What has happened with the template? I have asked for some assistence with the template, hopefully i get an answer shortly Crested Penguin 00:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do we want to do a collaboration of the month? I would propose that our first collaboration be European microstates, the parent article; it needs some work and I think it would be good to increase the quality of the article. Any thoughts from anyone? matt91486 17:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah sounds good matt Crested Penguin 22:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm going to now (or very soon) start up the Maltese wikiproject - it would be a great help if you two, or even just one of you (matt and crested penguin) could add your name. Obviously, it will be a descendant wikiproject. Anonymous Dissident ^Utter 22:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Description The European Microstates largely fall outside the bounds of existing WikiProjects. This WikiProject would be designed to increase the quantity and quality of articles about Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City. Coverage could also be used on the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and other ambiguous sovereignty situations. Small countries need some more support. The scope of these countries is so small that it could be difficult to get large scale projects for each to maintain necessary activity, but there are similar issues for these countries and coordination between Wikipedians would be helpful.

Project page Wikipedia:WikiProject European Microstates

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)

1. Matt91486 (talk · contribs) - My Talk me with any questions or interest, I'd love to get this going.
2. John Carter 15:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3. Crested Penguin 00:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• The article for reader´s reference : European microstates

If anyone better with coding than me wants to put one together, it could be nice to have - I don't know what would be a good image to use for it, though matt91486 01:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Microstates don't have their own specific articles in human rights yet, as is the convention. If any of you have an interest in that subject, here's a link to the general Europe page; the template at the bottom links to the nation-specific articles. Human rights in Europe. Just wanted to pass that along to see if its anyone's cup of tea. matt91486 01:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

for future use

i think this map will help alot.

Teh Ferret 22:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A template for this project was just added to the talk page for Seborga. As Seborga (see also Principality of Seborga is not recognized as a state by anyone of note, and "micronations" are distinguished from "microstates" in Micronation, is this appropriate? Same question regarding Principality of Sealand, which also had the template added. PubliusFL 20:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that they can loosely fall under the scope, failing in falling under the scope of any other projects. Any other thoughts?

Seborga and Sealand are definitely not sovereign states, and as a consequence cannot possibly be microstates. They're already covered under the micronations Wikiproject. Inclusion here is potentially misleading. --Gene_poole (talk) 05:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are sources supporting Sealandic sovereignty and the Principality of Sealand's status as a microstate, so it can't be said that the Principality is definitely not a sovereign state. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 22:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are 4 legal opinions promoting that fringe notion, none of which have ever been tested in a court of law. Sealand itself refers to itself as a micronation on its own official news blog, and hundreds of thousands of other available references to Sealand all identify it as a micronation as well. There is simply no question that Sealand is not a state. --Gene_poole (talk) 11:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is just a repeat of the dispute seen here. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any ideas for how we can boost activity in this WikiProject? It's all well in good that we were created, but we haven't been able to get much done since then, myself included. Any suggestions? matt91486 18:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A few:

Many users have infoboxes to indicate their nation of origin.

• User:CKnight16 indicates s/he is from Andorra.
• User:Gregoron is from Monaco
• User:Samuel J. Howard would like to live in Vatican City.

You might contact them about possibly joining the project.

The project is now listed on the Community Portal, which should draw a little more attention to it.

Portals are a nice way to draw attention, if you wanted to create one on the various states.

Maybe getting a bot to place the banner on all the relevant pages would be a good idea too.

Creation of a barnstar, or, maybe, in this case, several barnstars, one for each state, might help too.

That's all I can think of right now. John Carter 21:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was noting down the related projects for Wikipedia:WikiProject European Union and number of small European projects as I was going round. How do you guys feel about a parent "WIkiProject Europe" to link together as many European projects at the top (not merge, unless some fell the need to)? It could help discussion and cooperation between projects and possibly reduce overheads for the smaller ones. In addition for areas with no project of their own. Where a project has few members or is inactive, a common peer-assessment could help them move forward.

Ideas? For central discussion, see WIkiproject EU talk page - J Logan ^t: 11:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's European, and it's a microstate; is it within the scope of the WikiProject? Æetlr Creejl 17:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a recognised sovereign state, I think it is classed as a micronation instead. - J Logan ^t: 18:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Will these eventually be included? How would the "multitude of minor authorities' that were part of the Holy Roman Empire be covered in such a project? Jackiespeel 18:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess Luxembourg is too big to be included as a microstate; is that correct?--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 05:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitions of microstates are nebulous at best, but the biggest reason it's not included is that I approached WikiProject Luxembourg to see if they were interested in affiliating like WikiProjectMalta has, but they were not. So as long as they were boderline, we figured we might as well not overlap. matt91486 (talk) 07:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the past there has been many disputes as to whether Sealand is a micronation or a microstate. For NPOV, all Sealand articles should have both POVs. To solve this dispute, I have created this. Sealand needs a WikiProject so that this dispute won't continue and all Sealand articles will represent both Sealandic micronation status and Sealandic microstate status. The constant dispute has meant that the article has been changed significantly. Sealand is part of both WikiProject European Microstates and WikiProject Micronations, and the creation of a project would require about 10 Wikipedia users, 5 for a sub-project. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]