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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 04:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Keshav

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non-notable, claims notability by participation User4edits (talk) 04:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page seems to be lacking recent references. Added 2 new ones. 2001:FB1:7D:504E:C939:F7F2:5EB1:20DE (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean towards Delete. Dubious notability. Only notable source article that covers him at lenght is Times of India article. F.Alexsandr (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TOI can not be used to prove WP:N -- User4edits (talk) 11:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu is a good option, although it may not always provide in-depth coverage on this page.CSMention269 (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: One thing is the passing reference about him but no significant coverage about this racer and not won quite notable races. Though it's participation is mentioned. CSMention269 (talk) 15:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Did a bit more googling on him. Seems there's more recent coverage based on his recent F2 test. Need to link those to the article 2001:FB1:7D:504E:F112:A450:4DF3:C64E (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: fails WP:NMOTORSPORT; Also, has it being mentioned that Arjbox maybe is LK, a WP:COI AND WP:SPA case having seen his editing history. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems like it. However that contributor hasn't edited the pages in years and seems inactive. Are there any motorsport contributors here? 2001:FB1:7D:504E:F112:A450:4DF3:C64E (talk) 18:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. GNG and SIGCOV met with the recent additions. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Britt Richardson

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Fails WP:GNG. Coverage exists, but is routine coverage on the subjects gold medal win at a Junior Worlds. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • We do have to locate the coverage though. For a contemporary world championship medalist in a somewhat big sport in an English-speaking country, that should be possible. Geschichte (talk) 22:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the significant coverage? There is no GNG for this subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Nea Salamis Famagusta FC#Women's football. as an ATD Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skevi Antoniou

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Cypriot women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. All that came up in my searches were passing mentions (2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2021, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. No argument for deletion has been advanced except the nominating editor's. A merge can be proposed and discussed on the relevant talk page outside of AfD. (non-admin closure) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 03:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Frodsham

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Article has been around for a long time. Footballer who perished before making his debut for a big club, brings WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTMEMORIAL into question. Despite there being a significant coverage cited in the article already, it doesn't necessarily mean that the subject should have its own article. A more natural place to discuss the subject would be at 1994–95 Liverpool F.C. season. Geschichte (talk) 14:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Generally I find just about anyone with a feature in The Athletic to be notable; especially one with a feature decades after his death. Haven't looked for other sources yet. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge with Liverpool F.C. Reserves and Academy. Although his own career was cut short and thus cannot meet notability requirements, we are told that the academy has an Ian Frodsham Indoor Arena and an Ian Frodsham Memorial Award, neither of which get a mention on the Academy page (although the award itself seems to be listed but unnamed). So that is a very small amount of mergeable content that would improve an existing page. Whether a sentence or two on Frodsham (to explain why there is a memorial) is called for would be an editorial decision for that page. The redirect left by a merge is also plausible. Anyone searching for Frodsham is most likely looking for something to do with the academy and the eponymous award or arena. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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    Comment: Besides The Athletic feature (which to be clear, doesn't give anyone inherent notability), found [[8]] and [[9]]. Do think that WP:ONEEVENT argument does have some validity. Let'srun (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sources above (primarily The Athletic) which show notability. I imagine there's more offline newspaper sources. GiantSnowman 19:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect per Sirfurboy I am total agreement here with him. I don't see enough of a qualifier for his own article, however it's certainly enough to merge and note in the reserves article. Govvy (talk) 10:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The extensive and detailed Athletic article is from a quarter-century after he died. This isn't just the typical "promising athlete dies young" one-time coverage. Not surprisingly with a major local tournament and a significant building named after him, there's ongoing local coverage, such as this and this - which alone doesn't amount to much, but ongoing it is going to result in searches on this topic. There'seven some coverage from his youth like this and this. There was coverage when it was announced by the club that he was fighting cancer, a year before he died. And there was coverage in both England and Wales when he died in 1996, with The People noting that his "fight against cancer touched the hearts of millions of People readers" while another paper said that "was already being spoken of as a future England international". This looks like a WP:BEFORE failure. Nfitz (talk) 20:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Per above. Even without acting, this type of event corroborates an important chapter in the history of Liverpool FC as a club. With the presentation of the sources above, an article of its own is sustainable. Svartner (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. There is consensus that the sources presented in this discussion are sufficient to establish notability for this article's subject. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ľubomír Pištek

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I'm not into ice hockey yet but currently nominating this article for deletion due to lack of sufficient coverage. The closest things to WP:SIGCOV are Sport Aktuality.sk and Nový čas. Another news source I could find was a divorce with his wife after 15 years; being/having been in a relationship is not a sign of notability. Other websites mostly come from blogs. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which might help copy over English Wikipedia if it wasn't. No news have been released on him over a decade, either. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The sources above are all heavily based around interviews, with very little secondary content (and/or are unreliable tabloids or blogs).
JoelleJay (talk) 18:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its worth noting that this guy played over 400 games in leagues that formerly satisfied WP:NHOCKEY (before its removal); players previously in his leagues were notable for playing one game, now this is 400 being considered non-notable... BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That participation standards have been deprecated is neither new, nor is it news. It's a bit late in the day to bemoan it. Either we need to come up with SIGCOV, or the article can be deleted without prejudice until such time as someone can write an adequately sourced one. Ravenswing 23:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My point is that we should be very cautious in saying this guy's non-notable when he played in 400 games, considering that previously everyone would have been notable for one (i.e. its a stretch to go from 1 = notable to 400+ = non-notable). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Weak Keep 400 games is a lot to play. However, there aren't any English articles on him that I can find. So if SIGCOV exists, it's likely going to be in Slovak. If they are shown, I will change my !vote. Conyo14 (talk) 04:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep? Its quite difficult to look for sources since I know nothing of either Czech or Slovak, but since it seems I'm the article's only hope I'll try. I seem to find several stories from Sport.SK, e.g. "Ľubomír Pištek's Slovak journey with Austrian hospitality", and others (another Sport.Sk piece), and then some coverage from Sportnet, e.g. 1 (2, 3), SportKy, idnez.cz, Cas, and a deadlink story from HokejPortal titled (translated) "Ľubomír Pištek will wear the HK Ardo Nitra jersey". While much of it is interview-ey and brief-ish I think it is probably enough for an athlete of his accomplishments, taking note of that fact that much of the coverage will likely be in offline sources and other languages. I agree with Geschhichte's point that It would be jaw-droppingly staggering if there were no sources considering that he played enough games to formerly be considered notable 400 times over. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Conyo14: Since you asked to be notified if any sources were found. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Thank you, I have changed my !vote to reflect that, but still weak, as the sources are good but mostly mentions. So, maybe more will appear. Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per WP:HEY demonstrating WP:GNG. Flibirigit (talk) 11:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some more sources/content. Newklear007 (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep sources given above seem fine, not extensive, but enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Weak Keep per the WP:GNG and WP:HEY. The sources from Sportnet appear to contain some relatively in-depth coverage, while a lot of the coverage provided here is in interview prose or is not significant it is enough at least for a weak pass. Let'srun (talk) 20:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per Flibirigit.--Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 02:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. After much-extended time for discussion (and discounting the precocious IP), there is no clear consensus for deletion. BD2412 T 00:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deanne Pandey

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non-notable, running mentions, WP:INVALIDBIO WP:BIOFAMILY User4edits (talk) 16:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: The sources mentioned above establish notablity well in my opinion. Bendegúz Ács (talk) 20:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Odd that they're intimately familiar with wiki policies but edit while logged out. Would be helpful if they were logged in. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per @User4edits and @Oaktree b. unable to see in-depth SIGCOV. Tehonk (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep as per WP:GNG since the subject has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as DNA, HT, Midday etc. as pointed out above by anon. Almost all of these sources provide in-depth coverage of her and her work. GSS 💬 07:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. I've looked through all the provided and applied sources, and I think this is a very marginal case. IMHO, there's simply not enough direct detailing to support anything more than the single sentence in the article. It seems the template for all of these articles is usage of the minimum of text and the maximum of images of the subject. Routine entertainment news. This is a BLP. At this point, we don't meet that high bar for sourcing. BusterD (talk) 21:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, you're suggesting that this (300+ words article) by DNA India, this (350+ words article) by the Time of India, along with this one in the Bengali language by Ananda Bazar, are inadequate to establish notability? These are reliable independent articles that delve directly into her personal life and career in detail, as required by WP:GNG and WP:BASIC If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. Additionally, this interview, among other, can be used to expand the article. GSS 💬 07:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have expanded the article and cited some more sources. GSS 💬 17:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per above and a large-scale content expansion by GSS. She is a "national bestselling" author, Apart from that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that make her pass BASIC & GNG. Note: I am the creator of the article.- FitIndia Talk (Admin on Commons) 14:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rider deaths in British motorcycle racing series

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Nominated for the case of WP:LC. We have the main list of those who died globally, so how necessary is a list like this? Since the last nomination in 2012, I doubt anything has been addressed. Many of those listed are from club championships. I cannot see this unnecessary WP:FANCRUFT list of mostly non-notable riders dying, appealing to those but to the most obsessive motorsport fans. Also, not notable enough to pass WP:LISTN. In short, Wikipedia is neither Motorsport Memorial (whom most are sourced from per WP:1R, albeit poorly) nor is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Driver deaths in British motorsport series

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Nominated for the case of WP:LC. We have the main list of those who died globally so how necessary are a list like this? Since the last nomination in 2011, I doubt anything has been addressed. Many of those listed are from club championships. If this was narrowed down to bluelinked drivers as recommended in the last AfD, this would make just 3, meaning we have a list of non-notable drivers. I cannot see this unnecessary WP:FANCRUFT list appealing to those but to the most obsessive motorsport fans. Also, not notable enough to pass WP:LISTN. In short, Wikipedia is neither Motsport Memorial (whom most are sourced from per WP:1R, abeit poorly) nor is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: List of non-notable people that fails WP:LISTN; has not been discussed as a group in secondary sources. Let'srun (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per the rationale of the nominator EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indianapolis Motor Speedway race results

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Do we need another list of winners when many of these articles about races taking place there have their own list or is part of it, thus making this completely unnecessary. Many others are not necessary to the most ardent fans such as feeder series. Unnecessary WP:FANCRUFT list that is only good for the most obsessive motorsport fans, also WP:LC and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Also, not notable enough to pass WP:LISTN. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete unnecessary and redundant list of results of races at one track across many different motorsport series. Much of the information is already present in series-specific lists such as List of Indianapolis 500 winners and Brickyard_400#Past_winners. Combining this information in a massive list violates WP:NOTDB. Carson Wentz (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep; while there are problems, this article also includes important history and context about the very early years of the Speedway. RegalZ8790 (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep But Reorganize: The article is important and informative, however, there is way too much redundancy. The original intent was to summarize results of races at IMS that did not have individual articles. However, that information was added later, and along with other (some non-professional events) it became bloated and too large. Recommend KEEP, but remove all sections that already have an individual article (Indianapolis 500, Brickyard 400, IROC at Indy, Freedom 100, etc., etc.) Those events can be handled with a simple Wikilink to that article. Also, trim the article by moving some sections to more appropriate existing articles (for instance, the SVRA results can be moved to the Indy Legends Charity Pro–Am race...the event with which it is/was associated) ...(all the motorcycle results can go to Indianapolis motorcycle Grand Prix)...brining the article back to its original intent. Doctorindy↔Talk 15:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep per doctorindy •Cyberwolf•talk? 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    doctorindy All in honesty, I was reluctant to list this in as I had thought the same with the early races though they are also listed in the AAA Championship seasons. I cannot see how the listing of support races (of post-2001) are this necessary. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, with the changes suggested by Doctorindy. Indyguy (talk) 17:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep with a severe trim, per Doctorindy. Certainly things like lists of the notable early races should stay, but individual vintage races (by which I mean modern races for old vehicles) certainly not. A7V2 (talk) 10:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radoslav Holúbek

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Fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sources I found are limited to passing mentions (1 and 2). Google searches also come up with silly namesakes. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 13:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that he is named in reverse order as "Holúbek Radoslav" in the book and in other sources I have found, I am not sure what Slovak naming conventions are or if a page move is appropriate. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 21:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Habst: All countries in Europe use Western order except Hungary. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 19:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There are currently zero non-database sources in the article. For that reason, the closing admin probably won't let it pass muster. The article is also severely subpar (as can be expected from a Lugnuts creation) in that it doesn't mention his two most significant competitions as an individual hurdler, the 2000 Olympic Games and the 1998 European Championships. Now, the book is interesting, but how is he covered there? 3 lines or several pages? Geschichte (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Geschichte, thanks, I tried to update the article since its nomination to add some more of his achievements. The book is 211 pages long, and there were only 71 Slovak athletes at the Olympics prior to and including 1996 when the book was published. It's interesting that Holúbek is included because our records show he didn't compete at the Olympics until 4 years later, but he was certainly a top Slovak athlete and national champion before 1996, so he is probably discussed in that context. Based on WP:NEXISTS, I think an administrator would most likely close this as keep if that was the consensus, even if we can't actually access the book as NEXISTS allows for. --Habst (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then the so-called "discussion" might be a sentence that "athlete X beat Radoslav Holúbek at Y track meet" or "athlete X trains with Radoslav Holúbek". Not exactly significant coverage. We don't know, but can he be excpeted to have a full profile when the book is about Olympians and he was not an Olympian at the time? Being a random national champion is not that special, there are 50 of them every year across all athletic events. Geschichte (talk) 18:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Question: Was Holubek a non-starter at an Olympics or was his only selection after the book was written? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a good question, it's very possible. I noticed that up until late last year, He Pan (runner) was listed as a member of the 2008 Chinese Olympic team on an archived website, known to people at the time, but she ended up not starting nor appearing on the Olympic start lists. It's plausible that Holúbek was named to the team at the time of the book-writing, but may have withdrawn due to injury. @Geschichte isn't wrong that I am guessing – but to be fair, I think they would have to admit that they are guessing just as much as me about their speculated sentence of coverage. The simple fact is that until someone checks the book out from a library, all we know is that the subject's name is definitely in Google's internal scanned copy. --Habst (talk) 00:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean keep as Habst says he found SIGCOV in the book, which I am not able to access. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The presumption of WP:SIGCOV does not mean that there is any. For now, the only sources are from databases or are very brief recaps. While the book source may have coverage, we can't say that for certain. If better coverage is found, please ping me. Let'srun (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun: May I ask, how did you find both this and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ľubomír Pištek, your only two votes in the past two days, in rapid succession, considering they both happen to be discussions in which I am involved and seem to be part of an ongoing trend at AFD of you either voting against me or making sure to critique my comments when you do ultimately agree with me? Additionally, tell me, what is the purpose of having a presumption of WP:SIGCOV if it has no weight and can be simply disregarded without even searching for any relevant sources, which is essentially what your vote is implying? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun, thanks for your comment. I think the "presumption" of SIGCOV actually does mean that SIGCOV exists, that is what I think the definition of the word presumption means. Per WP:NEXISTS, if coverage is known to exist e.g. in a book, then I think that is valid grounds for keeping the article. Now, if the book text is retrieved but there is only a mention, then I think we would have to look for other sources, but that hasn't happened. --Habst (talk) 21:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Wait I am tempted to say keep based on the presumed notability of winning at European tournaments twice, but let's shelf this until that source request mentioned above comes through, for a better picture of the landscape of coverage. Kingsif (talk) 12:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are referring to the European Cup Second League, which was a nations tournament below the Super League and First League. The Second League was a container for the lesser track nations in Europe Geschichte (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marquez Branson

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Non-notable football player. Never actually played in the NFL, can't find anything in newspapers.com outside of basic transactions and a handful of game recaps, does not appear to pass WP:GNG. Wizardman 14:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, with the sources added my stance is a neutral one, I don't feel comfortable saying outright keep or delete. Wizardman 22:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. The first source listed above is based almost entirely on quotes, the last is also interview-heavy and lacks depth. Both are from spring/summer 2010, so fail SUSTAINED. This article is basically sourced to local mentions of his college play and hype that didn't materialize, which is not sufficient.
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  • Weak Keep. SUSTAINED only appears to discount biographical articles when they are only discussed significantly "in the context of a single event" – as we've got in-depth Denver Post articles from May and August, as well as an in-depth Associated Press feature from July, each of which are not accurately described as "entirely quotes" – we have enough for a pass of WP:GNG, despite it being weak. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The reference to BLP1E regards whether to create a bio vs an event article, not simply notability, but anyway both pieces of coverage are on his practice squad activity which is one context. And I said based on quotes. JoelleJay (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A three-year practice squad stint ≠ "one event"; that's similar to saying that a "football career is one event" – now, if the only coverage was two stories on "Branson signed to practice squad" from the same approximate date, then I would agree with you. However, this is sigcov across four months from different major outlets, which is not accurately characterized IMO as "entirely based on quotes" – that is enough for a pass of GNG in my opinion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're both pieces on the team's hype of Branson as a potential replacement for Scheffler, regurgitating some of the same quotes, with almost nothing of substance to say on him. Also the May 19 piece says he's "off the practice squad" now, the July 31 piece claims he's on the practice squad, so what's that about. JoelleJay (talk) 21:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Three relists is kinda ridiculous I mean I'll withdraw my stance if this gets this closed. Wizardman 02:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you considered the evidence that the subject only received coverage over a four-month span, on the same topics, and so fails SUSTAINED? JoelleJay (talk) 08:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not enough for a biography. Mentioning his name in the three season articles (see What links here) seems more than enough. Geschichte (talk) 10:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per JoelleJay's reasoning. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the references provided by WikiOriginal-9. While the first four are more-or-less routine, the last two add enough SIGCOV to barely get Mr. Branson past WP:GNG. Passes WP:SUSTAINED as articles presented encompass a several-month window in 2010. Frank Anchor 15:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to List of Rajshahi Division cricketers. The article has been renamed to "Jakir Hossain (cricketer)" as suggested below and "Jakir Hossain" has been converted to a disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) GSS 💬 04:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jakir Hossain

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 09:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nelson M. Lopez

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Non-notable chess player. The sources cited here either do not contain significant coverage (e.g., a brief mention in a New York Times article) or they are not reliable (e.g., ofchess.org). The only significant coverage I could find [19] is not enough to meet the GNG. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Czechoslovakia at the 1976 Winter Olympics#Bobsleigh. (non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (engage) 17:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Václav Sůva

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Fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG; No in-depth coverage of this bobsleigh athlete on any news websites, and he has/had never received medal record. Corresponding article on Czech Wikipedia is also an unsourced stub. We can assume his bobsleigh career has ended given that he is 74 years old. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 19:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thiha Zaw (footballer, born 1994)

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I can find coverage of Thiha Zaw and Hein Thiha Zaw but nothing about this much less notable namesake. It was initially a BLP PROD but it was contested with the addition of the 3 sources currently cited in the article, none of which seem to work. I managed to find Soccerway, which merely confirms that he sat as an unused sub for 5 matches in 2019. I'm not seeing anything even close to WP:SPORTBASIC #5 for this particular Thiha Zaw. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nyi Nyi Lwin

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His name in Burmese is "ညီညီလွင်" and I can't find any coverage that would meet even WP:SPORTBASIC #5, the bare minimum requirement for all sportspeople. It seems his only claim to fame is playing in one friendly match. I'm not seeing any evidence that this person qualifies for their own article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aung Thike

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Lack of coverage found when searching "အောင်သိုက်", "Aung Thike" and "Aung Thaik". I can't find evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC #5, the bare minimum requirement. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ádám Érsek

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I am unable to find any significant coverage in Hungarian or Slovak media. MY Nitra covers him scoring 4 goals in a match but the article lacks depth on him as an individual. Paraméter is a passing mention in the Hungarian language. Lacks evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dimitris Raspas

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Hasn't played professionally since 2020 and insufficient coverage for WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC in my searches. His name is "Δημήτρης Ρασπάς" in Greek. Phile News mentions him scoring in the Europa League and then going on military service. Since that military service, he seems to have disappeared into the amateur tiers of Cyprus. Phile News mentions him again in 2022 but it's just a transfer announcement with no independent analysis. There are further copied and pasted transfer announcements in subsequent years. In 2023, we have Sport FM and, in 2024, we have Cyprus Times. Transfer announcements that are copied and pasted from the club websites are not acceptable for SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 17:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Zidian

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Already deleted 3(!) times at AfD, and nothing new happened since the last 2 AfDs. Fram (talk) 15:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jasur Alijanov

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Non-notable boxer/coach. Fails WP:NBOX, WP:ANYBIO. Can't see any RS on the page, and it would seem non are likely to exist: WP:ROTM. Cabrils (talk) 01:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Voncarie Owens

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Non-notable football player. Never actually played in the NFL, can't find anything in newspapers.com outside of basic game recaps, does not appear to pass WP:GNG. Wizardman 01:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: low-level football player, all I find is this profile on ESPN [20]. Delete for lack of any sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - not finding significant coverage. Rlendog (talk) 15:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Coverage exists at [[21]], but besides that all I can see is some mentions in game recaps. Leaning delete now, but will wait to see if others can find more/better coverage. Let'srun (talk) 18:10, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A search of Newspapers.com doen't turn up much of real depth. And he has very little in the way of on-field success -- his best season was 2005 with only 225 rushing yards and two touchdowns at the FCS-level. See here. I found this profile from his time as a high school player, but a local paper reporting on the local player of the week isn't enough per WP:YOUNGATH. The best item I found was this item from his junior-college days; it's SIGCOV IMO but not enough to pass the GNG bar. Most of the hits are just passing mentions in game coverage from his days at Ohio University. E.g. this and this. I have an open mind if more SIGCOV is uncovered, especially from his time in Division I. Cbl62 (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per above rationale. Not enough WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Please ping me if any additional coverage is found. Let'srun (talk) 15:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable person based on only routine reports and non-significant coverage on this person. Carson Wentz (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Anifowose

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Does not meet WP:GNG; if there is any independent coverage of Anifowose online at all (let alone significant coverage), Google has not seen fit to let me find it. signed, Rosguill talk 21:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yağmur Karaoğlu

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Does not meet WP:GNG. I'm not seeing significant independent coverage, with the best coverage I was able to find being a brief writeup of a transfer ([22]) and an interview ([23]), neither of which is typically considered a strong case for GNG. signed, Rosguill talk 20:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sándor Bohács

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Does not meet WP:GNG, the one example of more than a brief mention in an independent source appears to be [24]. I was not able to find additional coverage online searching for both the English- and Hungarian-ordering of the subject's name. signed, Rosguill talk 20:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Manuel Artiaga

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Does not meet WP:GNG, coverage in independent sources is limited to brief mentions. Searching online I was not able to find anything more substantial, although it seems there may be a notable, unrelated baker by the same name signed, Rosguill talk 20:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ICC Men's T20 World Cup officials

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Delete. Seems unnecessary as categories and templates suffice for this sort of navigation aid. Batagur baska (talk) 17:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Notability and SIGCOV met. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruan Ribeiro

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Does not meet WP:GNG, I was not able to find any additional independent coverage beyond the one secondary source cited in the article ([25]), which provides a brief announcement of the subject's trade from Palmeira to Valmiera. signed, Rosguill talk 20:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep – Per [26] [27] [28] [29]. Satisfactory WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. Svartner (talk) 01:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those don't appear to generally be independent RS. The first one is affiliated with his club, the second doesn't publish a masthead and appears to primarily be a gambling site, Verdazzo is a group blog (see [30]). The last one, Gazeta Esportiva seems ok, although the prominence of gambling and advertising links on the site isn't a great look. signed, Rosguill talk 15:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Verdazzo has no direct connection with SE Palmeiras, and even though it originated as a blog, currently provides very in-depth informative coverage of players. Goal.com also has no relationship with betting sites. They are reliable sources, and demonstrate that Ruan Ribeiro's numbers in the youth categories are significant to support an article. Furthermore, there are even more complementary sources from more famous sites like Lance! [31] and Placar [32]. Svartner (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 12:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per above. Young player with ongoing career alrady with decent sources. Article needs improvement, not deleiton. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 11:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: per above, pick any three or a combination, I think this passes GNG.  // Timothy :: talk  03:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iqbal Al Ghuzat

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Does not meet WP:GNG; the sole example of independent coverage is [33], which includes a little bit of description beyond the routine signing announcement, but does not make a case for GNG on its own. I was unable to find additional coverage searching online for various substrings of the subject's name combined with teams that he has played for. signed, Rosguill talk 20:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify – As WP:AtD. Svartner (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On what basis? Draftify is for when there's an article where we expect sources to soon become available, or where we think we can rescue an article about a non-notable topic by refocusing on a more notable related topic. signed, Rosguill talk 15:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Based on the fact that the athlete is in the main divisions of Indonesian football, with his career in progress, it is possible for his notability to be fully established in the short to medium term. Svartner (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - @Svartner:, @GiantSnowman:, I found [34], [35], and [36], among many more Indonesian sources. Young player with ongoing career in fully pro Indonesian top flight which gets lots of media coverage. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't appear to be SIGCOV to me. GiantSnowman 18:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.
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Comments Source
Database 1. "Iqbal Al Ghuzat: Profile". Soccerway. Retrieved 2 July 2023.
404 2. ^ "Mantan Pemain Persipa Gabung PSG". www.lingkarmulia.com (in Indonesian). Retrieved 6 March 2021.
404 appears to be a game recap 3. ^ "Hasil Persis Solo Vs PSG Pati: Laskar Samber Nyawa Menang Dua Gol Tanpa Balas" (in Indonesian). sportstars.id. 26 September 2021. Retrieved 26 September 2021.
404 appears to be a game recap 4. ^ "Hasil Bekasi City vs Persela Lamongan Skor Akhir 2-1, Pekan 1 Liga 2 2022-2023" (in Indonesian). mediabola.net. 29 August 2022. Retrieved 29 August 2022.
Game recap does not mention subject 5. ^ "Hasil Bekasi City vs Nusantara Skor Akhir 2-0" (in Indonesian). mediabola.net. 27 September 2022. Retrieved 27 September 2022.
Mill sports recruiting news 6. ^ "Dewa United FC Perkenalkan Rekrutan Pertamanya Iqbal Al Ghuzat". bolaskor.com. 26 May 2023. Retrieved 26 May 2023.
Game recap does not mention subject 7. ^ "Hasil Liga 1: Dewa United Kalahkan Arema FC 1-0". sport.detik.com. 2 July 2023. Retrieved 2 July 2023.
Sources in above Keeps appear to be all mill sports news, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV, showing WP:N by addressing the subject directly and indepth.
Nom lists this source, [37], but it appears to be mill news with a promo quote from CEO of Dewa United FC, which means it fails WP:IS/SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  03:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 01:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andi Irfan

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Does not meet WP:GNG. I was able to find this writeup in a Tribun Network local paper but otherwise can't find any significant secondary coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 19:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per sources below which show notability. I didn't receive the ping of Das osmnezz as they did not sign their post (meaning a ping would not work). GiantSnowman 11:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - @Svartner:, @GiantSnowman:, I found [38], [39], [40], [41], [42], among many more Indonesian sources. Young player with ongoing career in fully pro Indonesian top flight which gets lots of media coverage. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks,

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  • Actually, Das osmnezz's sources do look like they establish notability to me. I'm happy to have this closed as keep. I expect that the above pings did not go through due to the lack of a signature, Svartner, GiantSnowman. signed, Rosguill talk 02:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem for me, as I said previously, these top-level players in Indonesia would tend to have established notability, whether in the medium term, due to the relevance of the sport in the country. Svartner (talk) 02:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Das osmnezz, I would appreciate if you could share what search terms you used to find this coverage; I would not have opened an AfD if I had come across them. signed, Rosguill talk 03:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talitha Irakau

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was a half-dozen sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 19:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Romana Trajkovska

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a Swiss–Macedonian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches were a couple of sentences of coverage here. Everything else is passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edoardo Stella

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Does not meet WP:GNG. As written the article cites some significant coverage in Rugbymeet ([43], [44]), a publication that does not list any editorial policies and whose reliability is unclear. Outside that publication, I'm unable to find any independent coverage of the subject. signed, Rosguill talk 19:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Davidson (rugby union)

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Does not meet WP:GNG; cited coverage is primarily about Robert's brother Tom and perhaps makes a weak case for his notability more than it does Robert's. The sole example of significant coverage about Robert is this writeup in a local Yorkshire publication. signed, Rosguill talk 18:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatjana Veržbickaja

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a Lithuanian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. It seems like she has moved on to coaching, but the coverage of this is minimal as well (1, 2) JTtheOG (talk) 17:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Meets GNG amd SIGCOV. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kazuo Mogi

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BLP of a retired racing driver. The two sources provided are just passing mentions. The ja.wiki article has no better sourcing. A search in English and Japanese turns up other passing mentions and database/table entries with no in depth coverage at all. (It also turns up a few unrelated individuals who happen to have the same name). Given the age of the subject there may be specialist sources offline in Japanese, but failing that, he’s not notable. Mccapra (talk) 08:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep for that he is a triple national touring car champion and has one sportscar racing championship title to his name. However, a lot of those results sourcing can be obtained from JAF (source) SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Further comment meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT — A round of any primarily-professional series of significant national importance, such as the British Touring Car Championship, Stock Car Brasil, or Super GT. Not to forget that he is listed as a national champion in 1992 according to link by Japan Automobile Federation. However, I do recommend removed any unsourced claims such as [he] is a three-time Japanese Touring Car champion, winning the title in 1985, 1989 and 1992; he is the only driver to have won championships in all three classes in the series, when the official source claims just one. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a national champion per WP:NMOTORSPORT. DCsansei (talk) 14:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 06:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Inserra

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Madyina Ngulube

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Poorly sourced BLP footballer. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that I came across was a couple sentences of coverage here, as well as this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Naga Wrestling Championship per Nom and as a viable ATD Star Mississippi 02:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Venüzo Dawhuo

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Brief BLP of the winner of a very small state wrestling championship, sourced only to local/regional press. Redirecting to Naga Wrestling Championship would be a decent ATD. Mccapra (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jurijs Baranovs

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Does not meet WP:GNG. The best example of coverage cited thus far is this coverage in Latvian, but it does not make a case for GNG in itself; I was unable to find additional independent coverage other than interviews, database entries, and trivial mentions in match writeups, having searched in English/Latvian and also Russian. signed, Rosguill talk 16:53, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak delete Coverage on the subject seems to be limited in online searches, however there may well be coverage in offline or difficult to access non-English language sources, but for now weak delete. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Rendón

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Does not meet WP:GNG. Coverage is limited to affiliated press, and even then is light on biographical detail. I was unable to find additional coverage searching online and on Newspapers.com signed, Rosguill talk 16:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 18:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sayyad Dadashov

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Does not meet WP:GNG, and we don't appear to have an SNG for Taekwondo or general martial arts, so it's not clear whether a silver medal at the European Games should establish notability. Coverage online in English and Azerbaijani is limited to brief mentions in writeups of Azerbaijani athletes' performance, but does not have significant biographical coverage of the subject. signed, Rosguill talk 16:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete There's a lack of significant independent coverage. Success at the junior level has never been considered WP notable for martial artists. As an adult he has competed at one European championship and two world championships, but he didn't even win a single match at any of them. Papaursa (talk) 20:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Can be draftified on request from people who are seriously intending to work on it. Sandstein 08:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frezy Al Hudaifi

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Does not meet WP:GNG; the only example of significant coverage in an independent source is the cited Pontianak Tribun profile, coverage online is otherwise minimal or else non-independent. signed, Rosguill talk 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify – As WP:AtD. Svartner (talk) 01:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On what basis would you say that there's potential for an article here? signed, Rosguill talk 15:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a footballer with the potential to become international for the Indonesia national football team, as he was called up for the U20 squad until last year. A draft process would be fair before deletion. Svartner (talk) 21:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Liz Read! Talk! 07:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Hans Fourneaux

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Falls short of WP:NSKATE having only gotten medals in junior competitions below the level of the World Junior Figure Skating Championships. I was unable to find significant coverage in secondary sources online having searched for both members of this duo, despite coming across many photos of the same. With the exact same sources used in each article, we definitely do not need two separate articles for each of the skaters, but ultimately I'm unable to find sufficient coverage to establish that they even meet WP:GNG in aggregate. signed, Rosguill talk 15:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of retired numbers

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Previously a contested PROD; this list is an bloated WP:EXAMPLEFARM full of unsourced examples that have been left unaddressed since 2017.

Legendary sportspeople will somehow retire and their numbers will be retired, inevitably. So are going to be surprised at all by their inclusion on this list?

WP:LC, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LISTN also applies.

We got list of their inclusion to their halls of fame for their favourite sportspeople, most of those listed, so why should we need a WP:FANCRUFT list of examples for the most diehard fans? SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Volume and depth of sourcing has been shown to be insufficient Star Mississippi 03:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amelia Hazard

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The Telegraph source is a sponsored article by the same company that sponsors Lewes Women. All other sources are not independent of Hazard. She fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 14:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think playing in the Championship (plus 2 league appearances with Arsenal in the FAWSL) does not always denotes "fails GNG". Some sources may be replaced however. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree with the above, the sourcing needs improvement but she is notable.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - NFOOTBALL has been scrapped since 2022. Notability is not inherited either. Dougal18 (talk) 13:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - level of play is not important, what matters is the coverage. I don't have any issues with the Telegraph article being sponsored by an accounting software company, the coverage looks good (although it is paywalled), but on its own it is not enough. GiantSnowman 12:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – The article may contain bias due to The Telegraph's relationship with Lewes FC, but is covered enough to pass on WP:GNG. I don't see a really strong reason for deletion in this case. Svartner (talk) 21:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. I also think that it is probably slightly unproductive deleting the article as top division professional footballers are generally notable. Idiosincrático (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Per above. Young player with ongoing career already with decent sources with fully pro WOmens Super League experience. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete If no significant coverage can be shown outside of the one The Telegraph article, then she fails the WP:GNG. Simple as that. People arguing Keep above because of games or division played should remember that the sports SNGs were deprecated and the GNG is all that matters now. It should actually be an easier bar to meet than the "fully professional" nonsense from before, so if you can't even show proper secondary coverage, then the person isn't notable. SilverserenC 23:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly a notable person. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 07:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justine Emmanuel

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:N BangJan1999 22:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. There are some complicated, involved proposals mentioned here that can be followed-up by editors interested in this article. The general consensus is to Keep this article and what can happen next with the content is up to you now. Liz Read! Talk! 05:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nasra Ali Abukar

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Ali Abukar was in the news for a poor performance at the Summer World University Games and related allegations of nepotism. Per WP:BLP1E, I don't think we can justify an article for her as she is only known for this one race and is otherwise a low-profile individual. The incident was widely reported in early August 2023, but none of the coverage was sustained. She doesn't seem to be known for anything else. A PROD was declined. Suggest redirecting to 2021 Summer World University Games where there is a section dedicated to the controversy. gobonobo + c 16:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: there is notability, but about the controversy itself, not about the runner. I'd perhaps write a new article about the controversy, or merge a small portion of it into a subsection in the event's article. Oaktree b (talk) 16:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I second this. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 09:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What would you think about simply re-naming this article? The information is already there. Joyous! Noise! 01:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Ali Abukar gained attention through a hotline from August 2023 to September. Her involvement in corruption incidents led to turmoil within the Somali government, ultimately prompting the Somali Parliament to summon the Sports Minister to appear before the House of Representatives.
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  • Eventify. I agree with Oaktree b and the succeeding commenters. Keep it but as an event instead of a biography. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Keep but rename" is my !vote, if that helps. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. While we all accept the fact that it is more difficult to find sources for third-world articles, it does not relieve us from the need to source such articles, especially for BLP. The Keep views did not adequately refute the P&G-based arguments of the Delete views. And unlike RfCs and policy discussions, a past AfD does not generally set a binding precedent. Owen× ☎ 12:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Tondi

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Disputed redirect. Fails WP:NOLY, WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Athlete who ran several seconds behind the world elite, but still competed in the Olympics on a quota. Found no coverage of his two top-8th placements in regional competitions either, which would have been his only achievements. (Although he finished almost 4 seconds behind the winner there as well) Geschichte (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, those are only passing mentions or statistical databases including literal result pages, also "reinforced" with articles that don't mention Tondi at all, such as "Dakar meeting marks start of 2004 AAC track circuit | NEWS | World Athletics". Also, 22.78 seconds for 200 m is not an international standard of athletics, it is on par with the results achieved by thousands of apt 16-17 year old boys every year. The article doesn't contain a single WP:SIGCOV source and I couldn't find any either. Geschichte (talk) 17:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Geschichte, thank you for your nomination because it helps us improve the article.
    It's incorrect to apply a global standard of achievement to athletes from non-first world countries, that isn't how notability works – for example, the Indian record-holder in the 100 metres Amiya Kumar Mallick only has a personal best of 10.26 seconds, not even fast enough to qualify for most high-level athletics meetings and a time that many American high school boys have beaten, yet he is still famous as the fastest from his home country and notable for an article.
    I thought about this for a while, even before making my improvements, and have concluded that Wikipedia policies lean in favor of keeping the Tondi article. Tondi meets WP:NATH as a national record holder and presumed national champion (as he was the only male Nigerien selected). Understanding that, we know that, "Significant coverage is likely to exist". WP:BASIC says that as long as significant coverage exists – which we know is true due to NATH – Tondi is presumed notable, and passes the Wikipedia guidelines check. Just because we don't have the significant coverage or "the good stuff" right now linked in the article, doesn't mean that the article should be deleted, as simply knowing that sources exist can be sufficient for keeping an article. This overrides WP:SPORTCRIT prong five, as a more general guideline can apply even in the case where more specific guidelines may conflict.
    In this case, we know the sources exist as several articles about races Tondi was in and placed in are paywalled, and we haven't even begun to search the Nigerien newspaper archives which surely covered Tondi as the sole male representative from their nation in the marquee sport at the 2008 Olympic Games. --Habst (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on my discussion above. --Habst (talk) 18:40, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Sources in the article are passing mentions in routine event recaps and pure stats, not SIGCOV. 1, 5-9, 11, 12 (Tilastopaja) are all primary, trivial stats reports Red XN. 2, 3, & 10 (Worldathletics) are more stats/results pages from a non-independent body Red XN. 4 (L'Express/AllAfrica) seems to be a routine event recap with at most a passing mention of Tondi Red XN. My own search on Proquest, archive.org, and Newspaper Archive yielded a single result, which was his name in a results list.
We do not apply different standards of achievement to subjects from developing countries, mostly because that is not how GNG notability works anyway but also because that would be demeaning.
We had a recent global RfC that found strong consensus in requiring all sportsperson articles contain a citation to IRS SIGCOV. This has been upheld in hundreds of AfDs by now. The presumption that SIGCOV is "likely to exist" is explicitly different from the presumptions that SIGCOV does exist or that the subject is inherently notable; this was determined by the same RfC. The claim that a "likelihood" of coverage existing afforded by meeting an NSPORT sport-specific criterion (which the subject here does not) is equivalent to "SIGCOV exists", and therefore satisfies BASIC, is absurd and completely unsupported by P&Gs. JoelleJay (talk) 22:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, thank you for your response.
We had a recent global RfC that found strong consensus in requiring all sportsperson articles contain a citation to IRS SIGCOV – I don't think that's an accurate way to describe WP:NSPORTS2022 – it certainly does not describe the current landscape as this extended content box shows. If you look at the first thread of Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#What do we do when..., you can see that the "key change" of NSPORTS2022 was the removal of participation-based criteria (which does not apply to this subject as he did more than participate). The other changes were either changes of wording that don't affect this specific case, or changes that are inconsequential because the subject fulfills the broader policy of WP:BASIC.
The presumption that SIGCOV is "likely to exist" is explicitly different from the presumptions that SIGCOV does exist or that the subject is inherently notable – I understand that the wording was changed from "presumed notable" to "significant coverage is likely to exist", but I think that these statements are effectively a distinction without a difference, as explained in the above-linked talk. The wording may be different, but the policy implications are the same – if we can know that significant coverage exists, by any process, then that fulfills the criteria of WP:BASIC which determines notability. This is plainly stated by Wikipedia policies.
The argument that a subject can pass a broader guideline like WP:BASIC but fail a topic-specific supplemental guideline like WP:SPORTBASIC and thus be deleted, was tested in Clive Sands, with the result of the discussion being Keep. So clearly, broader guidelines still apply even in cases where there are also topic-specific rules – e.g. imagine if the Alan Turing article was deleted on the basis that he was not a fast enough marathon runner. --Habst (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is absolutely the correct description of that RfC, as has been explained to you by numerous editors including the drafter admin @Cbl62. There are hundreds of thousands of articles on sportspeople, many of which are poorly sourced or don't meet NSPORT. It's pure OSE to claim the fact that any of those haven't yet been deleted is evidence SPORTCRIT #5 isn't observed. I could link far more that have been deleted, anyway. The talk at NSPORT is just more of your misconceptions about notability guidelines and Wikipedia in general, which multiple other editors have since rebutted. No one else seems to have trouble comprehending what downgrading "presumed notable" to "SIGCOV is likely to exist" means. If you you've read the RfC and the dozens of talk page discussions and still don't get it then that's your problem.
Clive Sands was definitely not kept because of BASIC and the outcome most certainly does not imply that meeting BASIC overrides failing SPORTCRIT. Alvaldi's comment was rebutting the clueless claim that failing a sport-specific criterion overrode meeting GNG, which is explicitly addressed at N. That is not comparable to BASIC vs SPORTCRIT. And your Alan Turing comparison just raises CIR concerns. JoelleJay (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, thank you for your response. Wikipedia policy is both decided and enforced by consensus – this means that any one person doesn't decide how policy is enforced, even though I greatly respect @Cbl62 and agree with them more often than not. It also means that case studies looking at the actual decisions made by editors can sometimes be more helpful than proscriptive analysis.
I think that the key change of WP:NSPORTS2022 was to remove participation-only criteria, which was reiterated by other editors in the linked discussion – the other changes don't affect WP:BASIC anyways, and the intention of the proposal was never to override that broader guideline.
My point in linking the Clive Sands case was to show that supplemental guidelines do not override broader guidelines, so if we can prove that WP:BASIC is met, then WP:SPORTCRIT is not necessary. Clive Sands was decided in part based on that principle.
I'd like to finish by reiterating that I greatly respect your work on Wikipedia, and I would much rather discuss the article or its sources than the behavior of other editors. --Habst (talk) 00:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are ignoring the people who actually participated in the RfC, the RfC text itself, and the thousands of AfDs that have resulted in deletes as a consequence of the RfC and SPORTCRIT #5 specifically. You are also ignoring the multiple successful mass-draftification RfCs that draftified Lugnuts stubs primarily on the basis of their failing SPORTCRIT #5 (those alone account for around 2000 athlete bios that have been removed from mainspace for this reason). There is overwhelming practical consensus against you.
Clive Sands was kept based entirely on editors deciding he met GNG and the fact that at no point has failing NSPORT sport-specific criteria but demonstrably meeting GNG meant a subject was not notable. There were zero aspects of it that support your idiosyncratic interpretation that BASIC automatically overrules a site-wide consensus, and certainly nothing that suggests BASIC can be met by the mere presumption that SIGCOV is likely to exist.
Respect other editors' time, recognize what it means to have a 56% AfD match rate, and stop bludgeoning these discussions with anti-consensus, anti-P&G arguments. JoelleJay (talk) 03:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, thank you for your response because I appreciate your contributions even when we don't agree all the time.
Deletion discussions on Wikipedia are just that – discussions – where we can discuss and debate Wikipedia polices and how they apply to articles. Many Wikipedia policies are subjective, and just as there have been many AfDs that have resulted in deletes, there have also been many AfDs not resulting in deletes similar to the subject we're discussing now, such as Kyohei Ushio or Abdou Manzo.
WP:BASIC is a Wikipedia accepted guideline since at least 2007, and if an article can be demonstrated to have met the basic notability guidelines for people, I think that the subject can be determined to be notable – this is regardless of any topic-specific supplementary guidelines. Though of course not exactly the same, my point in linking the Sands case was to show that broader guidelines can override topic specific guidelines if circumstances allow for it.
To me, it is the greatest sign of respect to engage respectfully with editors who you disagree with. I didn't know that there was a tool to count AfD match rates, but when I did a web search for it this essay was the first result: Wikipedia:AfD stats don't measure what you think. I don't think any editor should be asked to not participate in discussions simply because their opinions do not align with the majority most (or in this case, some) of the time, and I would much rather discuss the subject's notability than concerns about editor behavior. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: I don't see extensive coverage of the person from sources used in the article and I don't find much either we could use. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Sufficiently well-crafted and well-sourced. Carrite (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Carrite can you tell me which sources contain SIGCOV? Every single one that has been discussed so far has been a namedrop in a stats list or in a routine recap. JoelleJay (talk) 05:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Kirk (disambiguation)

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There was a recent requested move discussion at Talk:Stephen Kirk, which closed as moved on the basis that only two notable individuals with this name exist. The intention of the RM nomination was that the dab page would be replaced by a pair of hatnotes on the Stephen Kirk and Steve Kirk articles, each linking to the other and making this dabpage unnecessary. With the hatnotes in place, the dab page is not actually linked from anywhere. Since the RM closed, User:Boleyn has added two new entries to the dab page, "Stephen Kirk (songwriter) on Pray (Jessie Murph song)" and "Steve Kirk (illustrator) who worked with Cathy Camper". These are non-notable individuals who would not ever qualify for their own redirect or page and I see no need for us to retain a disambiguation page listing them. WP:DABMENTION instructs us to do this only if "a link to that article may be included if it would provide value to the reader", something, which is not the case for these individuals. Additionally there are links to Geoffrey Stephen Kirk, Kirk Stephens and Kirk Stevens, but again these are not plausible candidates for the "Stephen Kirk" name.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for an entry on a dab page to be valid, it needs a 'Stephen Kirk' who has an article, who meets MOS:DABRL, or meets MOS:DABMENTION. This page has several, plus in the 'see also' section names that could be mistaken for 'Stephen Kirk'. Dabs are essentially indexes to WP, and show where a reader can find informaiton on a person. Therefore this page shows where you can find information on different people named Stephen Kirk. It is a valid dab page per the guidelines and the hatnotes to the dab have been restored - they would of course be deleted if the page was. I don't see anything policy-based in the argument for deletion, nothing referring to disambiguation guidelines. Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boleyn: Thanks for the comment. However, are the individuals mentioned on the page notable? If they aren't, then they don't qualify for WP:DABRL or WP:DABMENTION per my comments above. There's no value to a reader in forcing them to make an extra click to get from the handball player to the basketball player and vice versa, just to stare at the names of people who don't meet WP:GNG. The recent RM was conducted on the basis that there only two notable Stephen Kirks. If you think that isn't the case, then I'd be intrested to see the evidence, and maybe we should redlink them on the dab page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Neither non-notable Kirk is discussed in their linked articles, only name-dropped. We don't need a DAB for every single shared name ever appearing on WP.
JoelleJay (talk) 22:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Both Stephen Kirk (songwriter) and Steve Kirk (illustrator) have worked on more than a Jessie Murph song and Cathy Camper book, respectively, so those are not appropriate redirects. Moreover, DABMENTION requires that they be discussed in those articles, and they are merely mentioned there, not discussed. Finally, I don't think either of them meets DABRL because neither are notable as of now (although Stephen Kirk (songwriter) might become notable, given that he's worked with some high profile acts, like BTS). voorts (talk/contributions) 01:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. DABMENTION states "If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is discussed within another article". The two entries Boleyn added are mentioned in passing, not discussed. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Voorts and Clarityfiend. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polad Fataliev

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unrelated references and statuses not found in rhesus. Redivy (talk) 22:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article are not WP:SIGCOV, and BEFORE found listings, mill game news, nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  14:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Per improvements made and sources identified Star Mississippi 01:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Narbett

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This got caught up in my cleanup of promotional articles and likely sockpuppetry, but after a second look I saw that this article had a longer history so I've restored and sent it here for review. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, the only sources are a local blog, WP:ROUTINE injury report, and a fanzine. WP:BEFORE showed nothing that would contribute to notability. The WordsmithTalk to me 18:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete – Per nom. Fails in WP:V. Svartner (talk) 02:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep – Due to the new sources presented per GiantSnowman. The article has potential for improvement. Svartner (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Svartner the first source is not independent and likely not reliable. The second source is a bit more than routine, but is still not enough to meet GNG, especially by itself. JoelleJay (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      That's not the point - the point is that there are sources out there, and that given the length of this person's career, there are likely to be offline sources out there which nobody has tried to check. GiantSnowman 13:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - clearly notable. This player made over 200 appearances in the Football League (the English professional league), see this, and also had a career in Sweden. There is online coverage at here and here, and there will be offline coverage given he played pre-internet. Pinging @The Wordsmith and Svartner: to re-consider. GiantSnowman 19:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Appearing in professional league matches no longer satisfy notability requirements, as participation-based criteria were eliminated from WP:ATHLETE in the big RFC 2 years ago. For your sources, I made reference to those in my nomination statement though not by name. The Your Herefordshire source is significant coverage but of questionable reliability, being more of a community blog than something we'd use to demonstrate notability. The author, Matt Healey, is not a journalist but a party DJ, Sales Director for Your Herefordshire, and (most importantly) Hereford FC Matchday Announcer since 2002 🎤 according to his own website,[45] making him not independent of the subject. Your second source is a local news source, which isn't necessarily disqualifying but it is a routine injury report. Neither of them are sufficient to demonstrate notability. As far as pre-internet sources, sure they might exist and might give WP:SIGCOV. But we don't have enough sources available to satisfy WP:SPORTBASIC and give us the presumption of notability and existence of sources. The WordsmithTalk to me 20:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agreed with The Wordsmith that the sources presented above fall woefully short of GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 20:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I did a search of the Swedish newspaper archives and what I could find for "Narbett" were clearly just routine passing mentions and match recaps. The full text of the Barometern piece is very short -- "Jonathan Narbett came to Kalmar FF from Oxford in 1994. Here he goes wild in the home match against BK Forward. The question is eagle he was on his feet when he landed; few players in KFF history have fallen over as often as he has. Apart from an extremely unexpected hat-trick away to Hässleholm, he made an exceedingly modest impression and disappeared after the season back to Great Britain, specifically to Merthyr Tydfil in Wales. After a couple of years in Chesterfield and Worcester City, the trail of him ends. Wherever Jon Narbett is today is his 48th birthday." I still don't think this meets GNG, but would like to hear from @The Wordsmith. Svenskafans is a passing mention. JoelleJay (talk) 22:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That really doesn't seem like it meets WP:SIGCOV, and I don't think any of the sources presented so far meet either GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The WordsmithTalk to me 22:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per GiantSnowman. Besides the sources alreayd in the article, I found 4, 5, and 6. Definitly has offline sources, having made 100+ appearances in fully pro English Football League in pre-internet era. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 03:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack McDaniels

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Non notable coach/player with only affiliated sources and social media posts used to establish article. After a search I cannot find any non-affiliated sources regarding the subject.

Additionally, it appears the article may have been created by the own individual. Grahaml35 (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It lacks a single credible source and nothing noteworthy in the entire article. FreshTec843 (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep based on the explanation above. 14:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot to sign my last post. Oaktree b (talk) 15:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sources found by Cbl62 and BeanieFan. It appears to be enough SIGCOV to get past GNG. Not by much, but it is a pass. Frank Anchor 17:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources presented so far are all ROTM and fail the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 19:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. ROTM is an essay and the sources plainly cover McDaniels "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" – which is all that is necessary. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I cited the GNG. Having the name appear in the Washington Post doesn't grant anyone inherent notability. Let'srun (talk) 23:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course a plain WaPo mention doesn't grant auto-notability; but significant coverage in multiple sources does (usually), and more weight generally should be given when one of those sources is one of the US's nationally prominent newspapers. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (a bit weak). Isn't the strongest pass, but the fact that we have in-depth stories focusing on McDaniels from three newspapers, including the nationally prominent Washington Post, shows that this meets WP:GNG with sufficient WP:SIGCOV. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep passes WP:GNG with the above mentioned significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 13:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. More consensus for keep than drafify, as well as it passes guidelines after the major expansion. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolay Atanasov

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Nikolay Atanasov

This biography of an Olympic athlete was created under earlier sports notability guidelines, but no longer satisfies Olympic notability because the subject did not receive a medal. It does not satisfy general notability because it does not describe what third parties have written. The only reference is a database entry.

  • Draftify as nominator to allow six months to find significant coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Would it not be easier to ask the creator directly for improvement when you don't even want it deleted? Anyway, a three-time Olympian, three-time World Championship participant, Balkan champion and nine-time national champion (in a country that holds a high level in athletics) meets WP:SPORTCRIT with the most flying of flying colours, so it's just a matter of finding the good stuff. Geschichte (talk) 10:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the article fails WP:SPORTCRIT, prong 5: "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Cbl62 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62, thank you for your nomination. It may have failed SPORTCRIT point #5, but that is contradicted by WP:BASIC, which says that as long as sources have received significant coverage, they can be notable enough for a Wikipedia article – regardless of whether or not that coverage is explicitly linked in the article at any given moment.
The subject clearly meets WP:NATH as a multi-time national champion, which gives us a presumption of those sources existing. That presumption was correct, but nobody has found them in the past ten days because the subject had a wrong name recorded here – his Bulgarian name is not Bulgarian: Николай Атанасов, but Bulgarian: Николай Атанасов-Джоко. Searching for the former brings up no relevant results except for Olympedia (which also has the wrong name), searching for the latter brings up many: "Николай Атанасов-Джоко". I added some of the top results to the article, including significant newspaper coverage. I have fixed the name and will be voting to keep, though I will note that even if we weren't so lucky that Atanasov had a post-Internet career and his sources were easily searchable, he should have still been kept based on us knowing that the sources existed due to WP:NATH. --Habst (talk) 14:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep based on my reasoning above. --Habst (talk) 14:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I haven't evaluated the new Bulgarian sources added to the articlee. However, Habst's argument to nullify WP:SPORTCRIT, prong 5, lacks any basis. I drafted and proposed prong 5, and it was adopted with broad support on a community-wide RfA. It passed with knowledge that there is no general requirement that SIGCOOV actually be present in the article, but with the intention to create an exception in the case of sports biographies mandating the presence of at least one piece of SIGCOV and as a direct response to the flood of sports biographies (like the article under discussion) sourced only to databases. Unless SIGCOV is found and added, prong 5 is directly on point, and this article should not remain in main space (draftifiction until SIGCOV is found is another alternative). Cbl62 (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Cbl62, thank you for your comment and I do greatly respect your contributions to policy. Wikipedia policy is, however, ultimately decided and enforced by consensus and not by any one person even if that person is the drafter and proposer of a policy.
    Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#What do we do when..., the "key change" in WP:NSPORTS2022 was the removal of participation-only criteria, which does not apply to the subject because he was a national champion. Furthermore, WP:BASIC can apply to a biography even if WP:SPORTCRIT would also apply, and WP:BASIC more univerally agreed-upon by community consensus than supplemental topic-specific guidelines.
    An example of a similar dynamic was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clive Sands, where it was argued that Sands should be deleted because he fails a supplemental guideline (WP:NSPORT) while passing a more general guideline (WP:GNG). This argument wasn't considered valid, because the more general guideline still applies. --Habst (talk) 15:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your one-man campaign for nullification of prong 5 is completely specious. The prong 5 proposal passed with the highest participation level and the largest majority of the votes. See closing comment: "This was the best-attended proposal and had the most agreement. There is a rough consensus that sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. ... Supporters point out that it has the added benefit of reducing the number of one-sentence biographies based on database entries." So there you have it. You may not like prong 5, and you are free to start your own RfA to overturn it, but you can't just deny or nullify its clear language and force. Cbl62 (talk) 19:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62, thank you for your comment because I think debate makes Wikipedia better even when I do not agree. I actually do appreciate the value of prong 5 because I also don't want more one-sentence biographies only based on database entries; I just think it does not apply in this specific instance for the reasons above.
The point is moot anyways as there are several GNG sources both cited in the article and linked from the web search above, fulfilling the fifth prong. What do you think of the notability of the article on its own merits? --Habst (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't evaluate the depth of the Bulgarian sources you added, thus neutral. Cbl62 (talk) 21:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly meets WP:NTRACK as top 8 finisher at the World Championships. Seacactus 13 (talk) 03:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: per Robert McClenon request. BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.
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Comments Source
Primary, database bio 1. "Николай Атанасов – СКЛА ЛОКОМОТИВ ПЛОВДИВ". atletikalokomotiv.com (in Bulgarian). Retrieved 2024-01-28.
Interview, primary 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "Джоко: Сега е моето време". Sportal.bg (in Bulgarian). Retrieved 2024-01-28.
Database listing 3. ^ "Bulgarian Indoor Championships". GBR Athletics. Athletics Weekly. Retrieved 2 February 2024.
Database listing 4. ^ "Bulgarian Championships". GBR Athletics. Athletics Weekly. Retrieved 2 February 2024.
Database listing 5. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f Nikolay Atanasov at World Athletics Edit this at Wikidata
Database listing 6. ^ "Senior 2003: Long Jump men". World Athletics. Retrieved 2 February 2024.
Mill news about event 7. ^ Blitz.bg/Sport. "Джоко шампион на България за седми път". Blitz.bg/sport (in Bulgarian). Retrieved 2024-01-28.
Mill news about subject opening a business 8. ^ "Джоко стана бизнесмен". BGathletic.com (in Bulgarian).
BEFORE showed database listings, nothing meeting WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  23:28, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per the major expansion the article is undergoing currently. Also noting that the source dismissed as an "interview" above by TimothyBlue has over 100 words (WP:100WORDS), including calling him one of the best Bulgarian track athletes and Loved by some and reviled by others, Joko [Atanasov's nickname] is one of the most interesting and eccentric personalities – it is guaranteed that there is further coverage of this out there, but already we seem to have enough (expansion proves WP:NBASIC, plus the one random source I clicked on is WP:SPORTBASIC pass). WP:DRAFTIFY is effectively a death sentence for articles without an interested editor who will try to save it; not seeing the point of doing it here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per nom request. Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV right now to meet the WP:GNG. The sources are databases (1; 3-6), an interview (2) and brief coverage of routine events in which the subject was one participant (7 & 8). WP:100WORDS is an essay, not a notability guideline, and WP:BASIC is not met as the coverage is trivial. Let'srun (talk) 15:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun, thank you for your vote because you have consistently challenged us to improve articles, and I think you have done a great service for Wikipedia. Can you please re-evaluate the following sources. I significantly improved the article by adding WP:THREE new sources. All three of these are only from the first page of Google search, so there is surely more to be found.
  1. Краси Панов (20 March 2009). "Джоко - В трапа за скок дължина с китара в ръка". IAMPP ATHLETICS NEWS. Archived from the original on 20 March 2009. Retrieved 2024-02-06. (note that this was originally published on deltanews.bg, the blogspot link is simply a free archive of the article)
  2. "Николай Атанасов остана пети в скока на дължина". classa.bg (in Bulgarian).
  3. "Джоко с нов клуб". BGathletic.com (in Bulgarian).
@TimothyBlue, can you please review these sources as well. It is quite rare to see an elite long jumper born from a four-minute miler, and Joko has a very interesting story to be told if the sources are combed through more thoroughly. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 16:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct in that 100Words in an essay, but really, how in the world does that source not addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content? The fact that over 1,000 words can be written in the article make this a crystal clear pass of WP:NBASIC. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Enough work and sources has been put in, had much of his career in a non-Internet era. Geschichte (talk) 10:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. No clear consensus after 3 weeks of discussions and relistings. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bernd Hirschbichler

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BLP of an Austrian football referee, unimproved since tagging for notability three months ago. Between the unsourced sections there is a lot of routine coverage in match reports and primary sources with nothing to support notability. Mccapra (talk) 04:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment the de.wiki article isn’t well-founded at all. It has essentially the same refs as the en.wiki article - dead links to various things that don’t look like RIS, online databases of match reports that just list players and results with a name check for the referee. The only two reasonably substantive sources on de.wiki are (a) the same as source 12 on en.wiki (a short paragraph citing him) and (b) de.wiki source 3 which is a profile of him which is a blog post from the head ref welcoming him and thanking him. That is definitely not enough to build a biography article on. There is a complete lack of in-depth coverage in independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paweł Mróz

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I couldn't find any significant coverage of this bobsleigh athlete, even in Polish. The best I could find is biography, but I don't think the source is reliable. He also never had medal record.

It's also strange that the Polish Wikipedia is actually linked to basketball player of the same name and birth year, instead of the correct one. Corresponding article of bobsleigh athlete Paweł Mróz is likewise a stub without major changes since its last editing in 2022: Neither of the two sources cover Pawel Mroz himself... only brief mentions. Otherwise, it would copy over English Wikipedia.

Given that bobsleigh athlete Paweł Mróz is almost 40 years old, his career is probably over and he might never make anymore comeback in bobsleigh tournament.

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  • Dropping a note here for @Piotrus: in the event they can identify potential sourcing and/or fix the interwiki issue. Star Mississippi 01:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. Not seeing anything except passing mentions, but I am also not listing Polish article at Polish Wikipedia's AfD's equivalent as they are more inclusionist (we have decided a while ago participation in the olympics does not give automatic notability, but Polish Wikipedia disagrees). So I guess he can survive there, and of course at Wikidata. As for us, this should be a redirect to Bobsleigh at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Four-man.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PS. According to pl wiki he also participated in the 2014 olympics, which makes it a toss where to redirect him... shame no info can be found to save this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:11, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, participation in two Olympis don't make him notable person. Marcelus (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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