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The result was keep. Salvio ^giuliano 20:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linus Söderström

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Fails WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:NHOCKEY. There are a few good sources, but every professional athlete receives some media coverage. Nothing suggests the subject of the article is particularly noteworthy. JMB1980 (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - meets GNG. Besides the sources in the article there are plenty of Swedish sources, such as [1], [2], [3]. It certainly not true that every professional athlete receives some media coverage, although it may be that every SHL athlete receives some media coverage, given that the SHL is one of the top hockey leagues in the world. In any case WP:NSPORT2022 rejected the notion that merely playing in the SHL is enough to meet Wikipedia notability, but affirmed that sportspeople whose coverage are consistent with GNG do meet Wikipedia notability. There is no requirement that a subject that meets GNG also meet the nominator's notion of what is "particularly noteworthy." Rlendog (talk) 13:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  If the standard is that every player who has at least two instances of coverage in secondary sources (the minimum requirement to meet WP:GNG) is notable, then there probably isn't an athlete at the professional level who shouldn't have a Wikipedia page. The subject of this article has received about the least coverage one could reasonably expect a professional athlete to receive. Most of the coverage consists of articles that are quite short and mostly pretty routine (i.e. announcing that he signed a contract). As far as I can tell, he isn't notable for anything except just playing in the SHL; that isn't enough to meet notability guidelines, per WP:NSPORT2022. My determination that he is not notable is based on the fact he doesn't meet WP:SPORTSPERSON and/or WP:NHOCKEY. JMB1980 (talk) 21:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Why would including everyone who meets WP:GNG be a problem? /Julle (talk) 14:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Wikipedia policy states not every subject that meets WP:GNG is automatically notable. General notability guidelines are (as the name suggests) guidelines, not a guarantee of notability. Deeming anybody with any media coverage to be notable would result in an excess of low-quality articles about subjects most people would not consider worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Nearly every local politician, criminal, small business, etc. would have a Wikipedia page. It's actually pretty easy to meet the general notability guidelines; I meet WP:GNG but I think most people would agree I'm not notable enough to have an encyclopedia article. JMB1980 (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:NHOCKEY are SNG's that give indications that a subject is likely to meet GNG. But the primary notability guideline is NSPORT, which refers right back to GNG. And not every professional sportsperson meets GNG. Far from it. Although most players who manage to play in the SHL - one of the top professional hockey leagues in the world - probably do. Because they have reached the highest level of the sport in a country in which ice hockey is important and gets a lot of attention. Rlendog (talk) 00:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The argument that he might meet WP:GNG but the article should be deleted because of WP:NHOCKEY is explicitly not what WP:NHOCKEY is for. To quote from the FAQ at the top of the page: "if the subject meets the general notability guideline, then they meet Wikipedia's standards for having an article in Wikipedia, even if they do not meet the criteria for the appropriate sports-specific notability guideline. The sports-specific notability guidelines are not intended to set a higher bar for inclusion in Wikipedia". /Julle (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets GNG. Aside from that, he led the league in GAA and was the starting goalie for a championship team in one of the world's top leagues. And on that note, stating that he fails NHOCKEY is a ludicrous proposition for deletion as NHOCKEY has been almost completely dismantled and only discusses players who would have played at a lower level than him.18abruce (talk) 14:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vassilis Chatzigiannakou

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Can't find the multiple examples of significant, detailed coverage for WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Best I can find is Phile News, which contains one sentence about him being injured, Sport FM, a contract renewal announcement with no independent content (copied from club website), and Kerkida (translated), a basic announcement of his release from AEK Larnaca. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Due to sources added by Jogurney and Milowent. (non-admin closure) Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katharina Griessemer

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Even in a German source search, I was unable to locate significant coverage of Grießemer for WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Best sources are Meier, which mentions her twice in a match report, Nord Bayern, also mentions her twice outside of the squad list, and a single passing mention in Donaukurier. I also checked ProQuest but the coverage was only trivial mentions in match reports for youth games. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: I updated the article a bit since it didn't even have her last team from what I can see. She played in the women's Bundesliga for about five years, does that count for anything? I've not participated in any AfDs before for female German footballers. But i see she has a German wikipedia article and I've always thought of that project as being tougher on notability, though maybe they have a soft spot for their own sportlerin of course.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Playing at the top tier indicates that the subject could be notable but isn't evidence of notability. WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG are the only guidelines that the community accepts for footballers, male and female. Both essentially require that there is significant prose coverage in at least two different reliable, published sources, excluding basic database/stats sites. Having an article on another language Wikipedia is generally not a good indicator of notability as it promotes circular reasoning. Wikipedia is not WP:RS after all. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, I'm just saying I think of the German wikipedia as being sticklers for notability even more than us. This athlete left the Bundesliga in 2008, 15 years ago, so finding articles is going to be harder now. de:Liste der Fußballspielerinnen des FC Bayern München is a list of *every* player on the female FC Bayern team since 2001 (when they were promoted from the next tier), and almost every one of this massive list has their own article on the German wikipedia. I know I know that's not "proof". And I know there's no real harm if this article is deleted, because about zero non-german speakers will ever think to look this person up at this point. Before today this article suggested due to lack of editing that she was still on the team she left in 2014 and was apparently still playing football now in her late 30s. So I'm really just idly pondering the article.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I'm finding routine coverage only - match previews/reports, injury updates, signing announcements that have a sentence about her at most (Hamburger Abendblatt is typical). Nord Bayern has an article about her club, managed by her father, which briefly mentions her time there. Overall, it doesn't look like there is SIGCOV available. Jogurney (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I found this and this in the Allgäuer Zeitung which are quite good - interviews with a decent amount of prose from the journalist. Jogurney (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh these are indeed good, plus I've added two more from that newspaper to the article. I've comfortable keeping this now.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Happy to withdraw if @GiantSnowman: agrees. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Happy to keep based on new sources presented again @Spiderone:. Good work. GiantSnowman 10:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio ^giuliano 20:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Putra Aprilianto

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Non-notable footballer who played 15 minutes of football then disappeared. Searches including an Indonesian source search did not yield significant coverage. I have dismissed Tribun News Wiki as a source because it openly admits to using Transfermarkt and Mitra Kukar's own website as sources, so is not reliable. Aside from that, we have only squad list mentions such as Bola and Tribun News. Even if Tribun News Wiki were somehow acceptable, this still wouldn't meet the threshold for multiple sources, as required by WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 16:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 02:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos Caballero

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Article about former amateur/semi-pro footballer who received some notice while playing in his mid-to-late thirties after 20+ years at the same club which was seeking a first-ever promotion to Paraguay's top division. D10 covers him in an article about the club's rise, and more recently Crónica published an interview that covers him (I can't find anything else in reliable sources - not even a confirmation of when or where he was born). Although these sources exist, I'm not convinced that they are enough to satisfy the WP:GNG - while he is noted as the club's all-time scorer, most of the coverage relates to the club's ambitions and rise, and Caballero's desire to play in the top division (which never happens). If this article is kept, we should move it to Marco Caballero since he goes by that in the sources available. Additionally, the article was created by a sock, so there is additional trimming to do if it were to be kept. Jogurney (talk) 19:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - He is player for a top division club. Players who don't play for top level clubs can be notable and people who never played professionally can be marked as notable (see Clifton McNeely). Being an all-time leading scorer of a club is noteworthy. Discussions for deletion should be about the article, not used as a way to publicly harass a user see: Wikipedia:Talk dos and don'ts and Wikipedia:Harassment.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clifton McNeely was the first overall pick in the first draft of what became the NBA and there's a boatload of WP:SIGCOV that causes him to meet WP:GNG. That's a bad comparison. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to WP:AGF, but I'm really struggling with your claim of harassment. I can't think of anything I've done except nominate for deletion an article with dubious claims to notability. I've done WP:BEFORE, and I've explained what I found and why I think it's not enough (see above). Also, please note that Caballero is not and never has been a "player for a top division club" - yet per WP:NSPORTS2022 it wouldn't establish notability if he had. Jogurney (talk) 21:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see what accusations about the original poster's account status have to do with the notability of this article. I've read over WP:NSPORTS2022 several times and there's very little that useful from it since it only establishes that 1 game does not make you notable automatically. However, with him being a pro player and soon a top division player (as his club is now promoted), I think that's notable.KatoKungLee (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you thought I was bad-mouthing former User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro? Not at all, that was just a note to myself and others that if the article is kept, we need to trim some of their inappropriate contributions. It isn't my nomination rationale, and I apologize if it came across that way. Jogurney (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per KatoKungLee. There are sources like [4], [5], [6] and [7] among more sources. Clearly significant figure in Paraguayan lower league football, regarded as one off clubs most imprint players ever, and played in fully pro Paraguayan second tier. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned the Crónica and D10 articles in my nomination rationale (not enough to be significant coverage). The ABC Color article tells us his age and height (in 2003), plus one sentence: "Por su parte, Caballero es el artillero del equipo y el torneo, con 12 anotaciones, marca que podrá ser batida en la liguilla hexagonal que se jugará desde el fin de semana próximo, para definir al segundo equipo que ascendará." (Basically he is his club's striker and scored twelve goals so far during the season - in the Paraguayan fourth division.) I can't open the Facebook link, but please tell us how it is a better source of significant coverage than the ABC Color article? Jogurney (talk) 23:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. Cronica decent but not enough on its own, none of the other sources presented enough. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Clear fail of GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep: besides Crónica, Última Hora also seems to give him a pretty good coverage with a section of his own, calling him "goleador histórico" and "la principal figura" ("historic striker" and the team's "main player", freely translated). @GiantSnowman: not a new source but I invite you to take a look. Rkieferbaum (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Not enough for me, sorry! GiantSnowman 18:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Cronica source is almost entirely quotes, so is not independent. JoelleJay (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Not seeing evidence of notability. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, agreed with Jogurney, none of the sources come close to GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete - this one is marginal but really Crónica is a very good source but the others lack the independent content to really make any real notability claim from. As WP:SPORTBASIC requires more than one good source, it's hard to advocate clearly for a keep. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Sportivo Ameliano. While I consider Chronica page to be GNG-appropriate (there is sufficient non-quote content to be considered independent), that alone is not enough SIGCOV for a GNG pass. The rest of the sources fail GNG. As Mr. Caballero is a top player for this club, his name is a reasonable search term and he is listed multiple times on the club’s page, including in the lead. Also this is close to GNG so using an ATD would preserve article history in the event more coverage becomes available for a standalone page. Frank Anchor 22:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Sportsfan 1234 and GiantSnowman. BLPs need clearly Ind RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. These do not meet that standard. Not seeing anything with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  13:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - just simply not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adrien Tuison

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Article about footballer who made a few Ligue 2 appearances but which comprehensively fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Le Journal de Saône-et-Loire has a number of articles that provide routine coverage (e.g., injury report, match preview and post-match interview) but I can't locate anything that would be WP:SIRS. Jogurney (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - I don't know anything about Adrien Tuison, but I was able to pull 8 different sources on him in less than a few minutes. I updated the article as such. I can't understand why the first move would be to mark the article for deletion over trying to add a few sources. He is a pro player that got significant coverage.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With all respect, the 8 sources you added to the article are entries in statistics databases which are not significant coverage. Please take a look at WP:SIGCOV for a better explanation, but in short the source should discuss the subject in depth (as a statistics database almost never does) and the source should be reliable and independent of the subject (such as a newspaper or magazine that exercises editorial control over its content). To answer your question, my first move was to check for SIGCOV, and finding none (please read my statement above), I brought it here for consensus on what to do next. Jogurney (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's hundreds of thousands of soccer players and 8 different sources found him worthy enough to make a page for. That's notable coverage if I've ever seen it. There's players who were captains on championship first division teams that didn't get that much. What is the realististic expectation for a non-superstar player? Maybe a random profile article or two once in a while, but that's about it. And that's not counting that we are limited on English speaking sources and working around the censorship of Google/Bing.KatoKungLee (talk) 01:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snowman, I just updated the article with 8 different sources in under 5 minutes. I'm not sure why marking it for deletion was done over that when it took just about as much time.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Databases only, those are ten a penny - where is the significant coverage? GiantSnowman 18:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of coverage can really be expected for 2nd division players? Getting sports sites to even talk about lesser top division teams is a feat.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I don't believe this meets WP:GNG. Sports database entries don't help in terms of establishing notability (point 1 of WP:SPORTCRIT). Hey man im josh (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as per SPORTBASIC, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. (emphasis mine). Since there does not appear to be a way for Tuison to meet this standard, he does not pass SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elham Galica

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; apparently he played in the Albanian top division with Besa and Flamurtari early in his career, but online coverage is limited to routine/trivial stuff like match reports and statisical database entries. Jogurney (talk) 16:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - there is Albanian Sport 1 but it's largely derived from Facebook and his club's website and doesn't contain any detailed coverage. Albanian Sport 2 is just a brief transfer announcement and Panorama mentions him once. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The sources might be independent but some of the claims in this article ("the first ascent of Mount Everest in 2018"?) are verifiably false, as pointed out by participants in this discussion. I don't think his notability among mountain climbers is demonstrated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rohtash Khileri

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He climbed the mountains, yes, but so did many hundreds of other people. Besides photos of him climbing the mountain, there is no coverage in RS about him. Long way from GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 20:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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He made the first ascent of Mount Everest in 2018. He was the first person to spend 24 hours on Mount Kilimanjaro. MIT&boys (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Just among the sources in the article, there are multiple foreign language sources covering him, and no credible challenge has been made to their independence or reliability. There's no requirement that a person be the only person notable for something. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:48, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Assuming the references present in the article were added in good faith and corroborate its contents. I do not know the language and the sources enough to be certain, so I ask anyone that speaks the language to ping me if they have reason to think different. Rkieferbaum (talk) 19:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete apart from a somewhat dubious record there isnt really anything that passes WP:NBIO. The record seems somewhat contrived Longest Duration to Stay on the Top of Mt. Kilimanjaro: Rohtash Khileri (Hisar, Haryana). and is sandwiched between Youngest Diploma Holder in Drawing & Painting: Shiven Sidharth (Delhi) and Largest Bamboo Species Collection: Prashant Atmaram Date (Nashik, Maharashtra). [8] --hroest 02:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The Amar Ujala and Punjab Kesari articles are detailed ones Christopheronthemove (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This article is full of nonsense and there is nothing notable about climbing Everest, Elbrus or Kilimanjaro in the 21st century. Using the term "first ascent" to describe a climb that has been completed thousands of times over the last 70 years is simply false. Elbrus has been climbed for 150 years including on horseback and Kilimanjaro has been climbed by countless people ranging from seven years old to 89 years old. This person is not a notable mountaineer. Cullen328 (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steve McDonald (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - I found a passing mention in a BBC squad list and a few mentions in a semi-pro match report in GameDay. Please ping me if anything better is found and I'm happy to change my !vote. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Playing a solitary game in the SPL for Motherwell (as a late substitute) does not in itself make someone notable and I cannot find any other evidence that would suggest he has the sort of notability that would justify him having a Wikipedia article. Dunarc (talk) 23:54, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, Fails notability. Alex-h (talk) 11:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I just don’t see any evidence of WP:NOTABILITY in the WP:SOURCES given in the article. They don’t satisfy WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. If there were significant evidence of notability, then I would support keeping, but as it stands I have to say delete since the subject just doesn’t seem notable enough to merit an article. Shawn Teller (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No significant coverage. Fails notability. Pershkoviski (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Min-gyu (footballer, born 1999)

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No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG found for this footballer. The article's current references are a database page and a trivial mention in The Star, which is hardly a claim to notability. The Korean Wikipedia article is unsourced. I have used the Korean name for searching in conjunction with his previous clubs but found nothing of note. All I can find is plenty of coverage about Kim Min-kyu (actor) and Kim Min-kyu (entertainer) but nothing about this footballer. Please also don't confuse him with any of the other several footballers at Kim Min-kyu. Malaysian searches were a little better but still don't show notability. Majoriti is a trivial mention and so is Makanbola. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Per nom. Does not appear to meet GNG. May be WP:TOOSOON.Hey man im josh (talk) 14:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Joyous! | Talk 20:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gunnlaugur Ernir Ragnarsson

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. BangJan1999 15:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. All the sources in the article are WP:PRIMARY sources or don't mention him at all. A clear WP:Vanity page about a youth football player who stopped playing at the age of 13/14 with absolutely no coverage in the Icelandic media. Alvaldi (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, created by a user only making promotional edits under COI. Absolutely fails notability guidelines. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per others. —Alalch E. 21:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, Does not show notability. Alex-h (talk) 11:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete possibly even eligible for WP:CSD#A7, as there's no actual claim of any notability. Certainly doesn't pass WP:GNG, and the personal life section may also be in violation of WP:BLPCRIME too. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The article subject doesn’t satisfy WP:GNG, also failing to meet WP:SPORTCRIT. I also don’t see any WP:SIGCOV on a comprehensive search. Additionally, most if not all sources are WP:PRIMARY and have WP:RS issues. If there were evidence of notability and the subject passed WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV by reliable secondary sources, then I would be in support of keeping. Based on my read of the article, I’m afraid there are WP:BLPCRIME issues as well. Shawn Teller (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. I'm willing to provide it for XeverPL, but I will also protect the mainspace to ensure AfC is used. Star Mississippi 02:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Slevin

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NN sportsperson, was previous soft deleted va AFD. Restored via RFU and draftified. No edits while in draft then moved to main article space. UtherSRG (talk) 13:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. As per the original AfD nom, I think this is WP:TOOSOON. In terms of sport-specific criteria, we don't seem to have guidelines specifically for darts players, and so WP:SPORTBASIC would seem to apply. Which expects that "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". And I'm not seeing that any such significant coverage exists. In terms of this WP:SIGCOV, looking in national (mainstream) news sources, a search in the Irish Times, the Irish Independent and on the RTÉ website returns nothing at all. In darts sources, we find only passing mentions and relatively ROTM coverage. And, in local (regional) news sources, we find two examples of (very recent) "local boy done good" type stuff. While this is great, and I have added these to the article to support some of the text, I don't think these examples are significant enough to contribute much to (or establish) notability. (Otherwise, unless I'm missing something, the subject is similar to any other professional darts player - And I'm not aware of any guideline or consensus that every pro darts player (who has or had a tour card) is automatically notable...) Guliolopez (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: WP:NSPORT. ww2censor (talk) 10:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: Identical situation as in the case of Pascal Rupprecht, with the difference that in this case he has already achieved some success on the international arena in youth tournaments. I am asking for a draft this if getting a pro tour card and qualifying for the UK Open tournament is not enough. XeverPL (talk) 9:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tyquan Terrell

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - I found [9], [10], and [11] among many more sources. Clearly significant figure in local Sant Kitts and Nevis football. Young already internationally capped player with ongoing professional career in Europe. Article needs impoprvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Not even close to meeting GNG. First and third sources mentions him once and twice respectively, routine coverage. The link to the second source doesn't even mention the subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  You mean the second source that's titled 'Tyquan Terrell Scores Twice For Spanish 6th Division Football Club'??? GiantSnowman 21:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry the first one from Goal. Not sure if its redirecting because I do not see the subject mentioned at all. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Goal source is titled 'Watching Liverpool's Mane made Tyquan Terrell 'hungry for goals' and mentions him throughout. GiantSnowman 21:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. Goal source is OK but not enough on its own. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. 1 has barely 2 sentences of independent coverage: The 22-year-old attacking sensation has risen through the ranks for Saint Kitts and Nevis, representing the Caribbean country at U20 and U23 level before making his senior international debut against Grenada in the Concacaf Nations League.
  ... the talented player, who has been scouted by several Major League Soccer outfits like Los Angeles FC, Minnesota FC United and FC Dallas,, N. 2 is an obvious press release from SKNFA, N. 3 has just a single sentence on Terrell, N. JoelleJay (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes GNG with sources above. Disagree with analysis of references above.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Please paste the sentences from those sources that you believe are independent secondary coverage of Terrell. JoelleJay (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails GNG due a lack of significant coverage. goal.com is Terrell talking about his fave African player (who cares), source 2 isn't independent of Terrell and source 3 is a brief mention. Dougal18 (talk) 15:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Though I know the likely outcome, I will say this: the goal source mostly talks about his favorite player Sadio Mane, and has been scouted by teams like, Los Angeles FC, Minnesota FC United and FC Dallas. Tell me if this source is something or not, even though he's in the U-20 national team in 2017.[12] Ivan Milenin (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  By the way, I found another source, where he scored a goal from a reliable source, the fact that his team was defeated and resulted in a relegation. Here it is: [13] Ivan Milenin (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: This one is a difficult call. On one hand, the subject’s notability is tenuous, but on the other, it seems that there is some coverage. Shawn Teller (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - There is no significant coverage available online; only brief mentions can be found. Fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Some coverage, some notability, some people saying this is enough for GNG, others saying it is not. AfD has been open for more than a month and I just don't see where a genuine consensus is going to come from here, at least this time around Fenix down (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Robbins (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:03, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - I found [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], and [26], among many more British sources. Clearly significant figure in English non league football who has played and scored for his national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 21:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per sources above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The sources above do not demonstrate notability. 1 is a quote-heavy routine match recap with barely 2 sentences on the subject, N. 2 is a WordPress blog, N. 3 is a non-independent (NPL) routine transaction announcement, N. 4 is routine news with zero independent sentences on Robbins, N. 5 is quote-heavy routine transactional news, N. 6 is a routine match summary on what appears to be a UGS, N. 7 is quote-heavy routine transaction buzz, N. 8 is quote-heavy routine transaction buzz, N. 9 is has essentially zero independent coverage of Robbins, N. 10 is routine transaction coverage, N. 11 is more routine transaction news, N. 12, ditto, N. 13, ditto, N. Stop ref-bombing garbage sources. JoelleJay (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes GNG with significant sources, disagree with the analysis of references above from biased user.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Weak keep there is enough from Das osmnezz to show a clear pass of WP:GNG. Particularly the sources which JoelleJay incorrectly dismisses as "routine" transaction news actually contain several paragraphs of accomplishments (7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13) Y. Further, 7 is and 8 are incorrectly dismissed as being "quote-heavy" despite only having quotes in parts of (#7) 3 of 7 paragraphs and (#8) 6 of 14 paragraphs. Frank Anchor 19:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Calling single sentences "paragraphs" is blatant misrepresentation of the amount of coverage. I miscategorized #8 as transactional, but it is still most certainly quote-heavy and not significant. Routine transaction coverage is the formulaic "player has signed a contract with team, these are the teams he played with before, these are some accomplishments, here are some quotes from player/coach about how excited they are, info on the club's schedule/history" that is produced for every transactional change. It does not contribute to GNG.

  
  

  • 7, from Eastern Daily Press, has 3 sentences of primary transaction buzz containing barely any info on Robbins:

    Gary Setchell is backing electric frontman Ryan Robbins to become a fans' favourite at King's Lynn Town.
    ...convincing the 25-year-old to leave Coalville Town...
    Rumours have been rife for weeks that Robbins was heading to Norfolk, despite his run-ins with Linnets supporters – especially online...

  Followed by 7 sentences of direct quotes from Setchell, then a final brief sentence of routine transaction material (listing some of Robbins' history). That is exactly what routine transaction news looks like. Absolutely not SIGCOV.

  • 8, from Stamford Mercury, starts with 3 sentences announcing his contract with Evo-Stik and some stats from his past season at Stamford. Then it's a 3-sentence quote from Robbins, a 3-sentence quote from the Stamford manager, then 2.5 sentences mentioning his playing for Stamford and St K&N and his upcoming schedule of WC qualifiers. Then 5 more sentences of quotes from Robbins followed by one sentence telling us he's flying out to training camp "next Sunday". This is a small-town interview of a local footballer that amounts to <6 sentences of coverage, several of them not even of encyclopedic material (like his flights and future matches).
  • 10, from Northamptonshire Telegraph, begins with 3 sentences of routine transaction material announcing Robbin's signing, plugging an upcoming local game, mentioning Robbins had played with Corby before, and listing his former teams. The next 4 sentences have nothing to do with Robbins, then there's the sentence Robbins joins other recent arrivals Alistair Worby and Robbie Parsons at Steel Park, then 2 more sentences unrelated to Robbins. Not SIGCOV.
  • 11, from Eastern Daily Press, announces the King's Lynn contract fell through and contains 9 sentences describing/quoting the coach's reaction. It has 1 sentence stating where Robbins is now likely to play and 1 sentence repeating that he scored 34 goals the previous season. Nowhere close to SIGCOV.
  • 12, from Hinckley Times, is another announcement that Robbins isn't joining the Linnets. Sentence 1 is a bird pun, 2 states Robbins fell out with King's Lynn and joined Barwell instead, 3 & 4 mention this was because of cyberbullying from Lynn fans, the last 3 are basically quotes.
  • 13, from Lincolnshire World, announces Robbins has signed with Boston United. It starts with straight primary reporting of what Robbins/the club had said, a plug about the match he might play in "tomorrow", more repeating of what Robbins/Stamford "felt", 5 sentences of other Stamford club news, and 5 sentences of the usual transaction stats (when he joined Stamford, how he did in the prior 2 seasons, and his capping during St K&N WC qualifiers). This piece also appears to be plagiarized from a Stamford Mercury article so should not be considered reliable anyway.[27] JoelleJay (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modified per JoelleJay’s comments below. Frank Anchor 16:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I have read through the given references and they are not SIGCOV. They do not provide enough information to write an entire biography about the subject. Carpimaps (talk) 01:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I just finished about two hours of going through the additional references provided above and I conclude that they demonstrate sufficient WP:SIGCOV to establish notability satisfying WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE. If the subject wasn’t notable, then deletion could be considered. However, as other editors and I myself have explained, the subject is notable and thus the article shouldn’t be considered eligible for deletion. Shawn Teller (talk) 02:26, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi @Shawn Teller, which sources do you think are SIGCOV and do not fall under routine sports news? JoelleJay (talk) 22:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - After spending more time than I planned going through the sources mentioned above, I conclude that there isn't significant coverage available. Essentially all of the sources above are routine coverage (typically from a small newspaper located in the town where he played club football) announcing his signing, his manager's/club's plans for his future, but very rarely describing his accomplishments or what might make him notable. Although he may have scored a goal for his national team, I don't think that's a claim to notability unless media sources acknowledge it as one (particularly beyond his own club's hometown paper). Jogurney (talk) 04:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - It's near impossible for players from smaller countries to get on here due to St. Kitts having 2 whole newspapers and nobody else who is willing to cover them. He played for the national team and played in other countries as well.KatoKungLee (talk) 19:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: so if he "played for other countries as well", why isn't there substantial coverage? Supposedly those other countries would have more than 2 newspapers... --Randykitty (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that that country is England as well which has no shortage in football coverage at all levels. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - I have just spent an hour and a half doing a WP:HEY and vastly expanded the article with the sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Article expansion is 100% irrelevant if no GNG sources have been identified. That just means you've filled the article with trivial routine details that do not belong in an encyclopedia. JoelleJay (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Like I have said before, other editors and I disagree with your opinion that the 13+ sources do not provide IRS SIGCOV, as shown in the keep votes above (which outnumber the delete votes). Also, WP:HEY states that it can be "invoked during deletion discussions to point out that an article has been significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion". It's fine, we can agree to disagree. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep. I'd say we should keep this partially per WP:BIAS (St. Kitts and the Nevis barely has anybody with articles), partially as a pass of NBASIC (If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability), and because as shown by the expansion, we clearly have enough material to write a biography on this player. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think BIAS is applicable here. Other footballers who represent St. Kitts and play semi-pro club football in England have more comprehensive coverage (look at Harry Panayiotou who has received much more coverage than Robbins, such as [28] or [29]). If Robbins had a higher profile (or played at least a bit of fully-pro club football), I'm sure we would see more significant online coverage. I don't believe Das osmnezz's article expansion demonstrates that the GNG is met either. Jogurney (talk) 15:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: There are not the required multiple pieces of SIGCOV to meet GNG. The sources are routine match recaps or transactional announcements, which do not contribute to NBASIC. This shows in the article based on them that is filled with minutiae around signings, penalty card counting, and goal (re)counting. 2A02:8308:30D:5000:10CD:DAF0:2B6F:FA85 (talk) 02:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC) — 2A02:8308:30D:5000:10CD:DAF0:2B6F:FA85 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I find it very odd and convenient that the only Wikipedia contribution by your IP address account is just specifically for this deletion discussion... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second @Das osmnezz:

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• Keep : as per others above Christopheronthemove (talk) 10:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC) — Christopheronthemove (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  I don’t think the SPA tag is appropriate for this vote. The editor has made many other edits outside of this deletion discussion. Shawn Teller (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  They're a 1-day-old account that has made edits almost exclusively to deletion discussions/AfD'd articles. JoelleJay (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I also don’t find this SPA tag appropriate as the user has commented on a wide array of AFDs, so I am striking it. I do find jumping into AFDs as a new account to be unusual (but not in the scope of WP:SPA), but it is possible the user created a new account for legitimate purposes (e.g. forgot password). Frank Anchor 13:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Shawn Teller and JoelleJay; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jehowahyereh. Akevsharma (talk) 11:13, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I added SPA tags to the two above accounts, although I'll note the IP is dynamic so might have contributed elsewhere. JoelleJay (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  No one has demonstrated how the coverage here, which stems exclusively from reporting on transaction announcements, actually goes beyond the routine material from local outlets expected for players at this level. Transactional coverage falls under NOTNEWS: routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage and is additionally described in ROUTINE: Per Wikipedia policy, routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine. ... Routine events such as sports matches, film premieres, press conferences etc.

  Sports orgs distribute announcements of transfers, injuries, etc. to the media (via press releases containing player stats and history, press conferences, and interviews) with the express purpose of promoting their players/clubs. If such material was acceptable for establishing GNG/BASIC, players with signings, transfers, and injuries in non-FPL leagues would always have warranted a page (potentially without ever even playing a match!) under NFOOTY, which was supposed to be calibrated to (a very weak version of) GNG. And yet some of the same editors advocating to keep here regularly !voted to delete such players under that regime. NSPORT2022 didn't change GNG, so why are the routine transactional announcements dismissed[30] for so long by NFOOTY now suddenly evidence of GNG?

  As an aside, all the non-quoted content in #8 is actually identical to the routine contract announcement published in the same small-town paper by their dedicated Stamford AFC reporter 9 days earlier (itself derived from whichever statement released by delighted Daniels official prompted this announcement from Evo-Stik), so it actually does fall under transactional news. JoelleJay (talk) 16:20, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for bringing this up, as it makes me reconsider my assertions above. Frank Anchor 16:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This BLP is exclusively a list of routine sporting transactions, cited exclusively with routine sporting news. The only information we get about the person comes in a single interview. For whatever reason, users may cast wild and unfortunate aspersions against User:JoelleJay and her source analysis, but nobody in this process has successfully challenged her assertions. BusterD (talk) 10:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "The only information we get about the person comes in a single interview"... clearly based on the page there is a decent amount of information about the person that comes from a variety of different sources (after I literally spent an couple hours doing WP:HEY and vastly expanding this article), many of which are not just routine sporting transactions. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll grant there is a large quantity of routine sporting news, but no quality sources. It's just "Robbins starts", "Robbins leaves", "Robbins plays", "Robbins says". Nowhere applied do we find out anything about this living person subject except sports but for the interviews. Nobody has directly detailed this subject, so it still fails the new SNG, which requires at least one SIGCOV, and I'm not seeing it applied. I'm quite unhappy about folks disparaging User:JoelleJay and their assertions here, which seem to my eyes totally correct assessments. BusterD (talk) 15:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the posted sources above establish notability. I disagree with JoelleJay’s analysis of the sources no matter how much WP:BLUDGEONing this user does to try to get their point across. I agree with Frank Anchor’s above analysis of the sources presented by Das osmnezz in that there is enough significant coverage to slightly pass GNG. Carson Wentz (talk) 03:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Users should focus their attention on the subject under discussion, not those discussing. As of this datestamp, JoelleJay has made seven edits to this process, two to point out clear SPAs, three to give source analyses. I know using the word "bludgeoning" has become trendy in these procedures, but JoelleJay is not guilty of bludgeoning anything. I regard such unsupported characterizations without evidence as personal attack. The other two leading contributors are User:Das osmnezz with nine edits (mostly presenting and discussing new sources), and User:Frank Anchor with 8 (who has softened their keep after paying attention to JoelleJay's assertions). Let's discuss the footballer, and not the good faith edits of our fellows. Nobody in this discussion is out of line, yet. BusterD (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The linked essay above defines bludgeoning as “ where someone attempts to force their point of view by the sheer volume of comments, such as contradicting every viewpoint that is different from their own.” which is exactly what JoelleJay has done based on the repetitive WP:WALLSOFTEXT this user has added after any user disagrees with them. I apologize if other people find that term to have a more negative connotation than I believe it does. I also find it quite odd that BusterD wants to go back to discussing the topic of the AFD rather than the participants in the discussion and then goes on to, without evidence, accuse myself and other users of “disparaging” JoelleJay and making “personal attacks.” So which way do you want it to go, Buster? Carson Wentz (talk) 22:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I also read your comment as undue. A gentle reminder to WP:AGF of discussion participants. Suriname0 (talk) 13:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes notability per sources. Shotgun pete (talk) 24:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per JoelleJay's source analysis. –dlthewave ☎ 02:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Most sources are routine transactional news or run-of-the-mill details and do not count towards GNG. Avilich (talk) 02:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Other editors and I disagree with your opinion that the 13+ sources are all "routine transactional news or run-of-the-mill details", as shown in the keep votes above (which outnumber the delete votes). Many of the sources go into his background. Also, WP:HEY states that it can be "invoked during deletion discussions to point out that an article has been significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion". It's fine, we can agree to disagree. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I find it odd how people work to each source and not the overall picture of sources, combined they do build a picture for WP:BASIC. No one has done a complete source breakdown either, there are currently over 30 sources in the article which does form the basis of what is needed, there are a lot worse articles out there which are kept with just three sources. If the deletionists are going with source analysis, then they need to do a proper job, because what I see above isn't good enough. Govvy (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The single "keep" !vote argues rather eloquently that sources will most likely never be found. Randykitty (talk) 18:20, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis Saddler

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • GiantSnowman - The majority of topics on this player are not going to be primary sources, they are going to be database sources. There might be an odd profile or two from a newspaper, but everything else is just going to be in passing mention minus an injury, arrest or death.
  • I've found 2 mentions of him from games at https://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/village-lifts-footballs-carnival-cup/ and https://www.stabroeknews.com/2010/10/12/sports/st-kitts-svg-advance-to-second-round-on-dramatic-last-night/. I don't know what else can really be expected though. KatoKungLee (talk) 15:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Database sources and passing mentions does not equate to notability. GiantSnowman 18:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    • He's from St. Kitts and Nevis which has a total of 2 newspapers and a handful of news websites with a small population and low internet participation. ESPN and other sites have never covered any players from St. Kitts. I don't know what kind of coverage is expected given the situation.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP - He played for the national team along with being a pro player. There's just not going to be full page biographies on players who aren't named Messi, especially from smaller countries like St. Kitts and Nevis.KatoKungLee (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I had a look and couldn't find anything better than the two sources above, both of which are way, way short of meeting WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Thomson

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 09:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; all the online coverage is routine/trivial stuff like match reports and signing announcements, except for this which isn't nearly enough to be significant coverage. Jogurney (talk) 16:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio ^giuliano 21:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kareem Mitchum

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP - He played for the national team and is a top division player in his country. That's as high as you can go for being a player in a native league. Additionally, I was able to find other sources within seconds.KatoKungLee (talk) 16:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of those points are relevant to WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Having reviewed all of the sources added, none of them show significant prose coverage. In fact, most are database sources, which are specifically excluded from conferring notability by SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

St. Kitts and Nevis has 2 newspapers, a small population and limited internet reach. I don't know what kind of coverage is to be expected of someone in that situation. There's not much more he can do that be a top division player and play for the national team. He's in 8 databases or so and has been mentioned multiple times. ESPN or whatever has never covered a player from St. Kitts and none of us are local to get a magazine or something. None of these teams have websites either and social media websites are not allowed for sources. KatoKungLee (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per my source analysis below Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/27697/Kareem_Mitchum.html			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://fbref.com/en/players/61b60427/Kareem-Mitchum			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://www.soccerstand.com/player/mitchum-kareem/vJlr60UQ/			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://us.soccerway.com/players/kareem-mitchum/158217//			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://www.flashscore.es/jugador/mitchum-kareem/vJlr60UQ/			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://www.besoccer.com/player/k-mitchum-358108			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://www.voetbalkrant.com/saint-kitts-en-nevis/mitchum-kareem/wedstrijden			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://fr.soccerstats247.com/joueurs/kareem-mitchum-158217/			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
https://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/34753			Mentioned once	✘ No
https://spiceislander.com/the-spice-boys-look-to-go-one-better-in-2010-and-win-the-digicel-cup/			Squad list mention	✘ No
https://spiceislander.com/honours-a-piece-in-digicel-cup-thriller/			Squad list mention	✘ No
http://www.theplayersagent.com/profile/133784/kareem_mitchum			Database source, WP:SPORTBASIC specifically excludes these.	✘ No
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The result was delete. Salvio ^giuliano 21:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Geovannie Lake

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I found some passing mentions but nothing more Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 18:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ljubo Andrijašević

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Semi-pro footballer with no evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I did find ICO, a hyper-local source - a radio station serving a town of about 8000 people - which mentions him a few times. It's not enough for SPORTBASIC/GNG on its own and both guidelines require multiple WP:RS showing significant coverage in any case. Nothing found in Serbian Cyrillic. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 18:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Battawi

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Only Arabic sources I can find are ones like FilGoal and Time Kora, which clearly don't establish notability. Badly sourced BLP with no evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. In different circumstances, I would have proposed to turn the page into a draft, but in this case, there seems to be so little information available about the player that we should just delete the article. Oltrepier (talk) 10:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: There is no evidence of notability Almeida Fernando (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 16:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 18:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Davide Bessa

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Unable to find multiple instances of significant coverage, no evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. He is mentioned twice in Digital de Vizela and once in a squad list in Mais Futebol. No evidence of notability. I note the existence of this Blogspot interview but this is clearly unreliable and not independent. It seems to be a blog for a club that he used to play for. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Article does not pass WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Wilson Aleng

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No evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. An Indonesian source search has been done under the Aleng spelling and Along spelling, both of which only yielded database coverage and Wikipedia mirrors. I found a Republika mention but it's literally just that - a passing mention. Also found a Wordpress blog but this is not WP:RS so counts for nothing. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:50, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Akil Byron

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The article's structure is not the best-looking, either... It would be a shame, since he's a full international footballer, but such a skeletal page just can't be kept, even as a draft. I still hope someone can find some more sources to support it, though! Oltrepier (talk) 10:25, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Western Australia first-class cricketers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Lehmann

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The source in the article is literally the only one I can find on him. Fails WP:GNG and, if I understand the guideline correctly, WP:NCRIC as well. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. @Sammyrice: anything you might be able to dig up on this player? StickyWicket (talk) 21:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  No, I can't find anything useful on him. Sammyrice (talk) 05:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Can the nom confirm if they've searched out Trove themselves or not? Australians (and New Zealanders) of this era tend to throw up sources there which are often good enough to keep articles. It would help to know if it's already been searched before someone puts the work in. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue Square Thing: I have not searched Trove, nor do I know what that is. If you can point me to it, I would be happy to search (assuming this is something I have access to). —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 23:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Compassionate727: Trove is an Australian newspaper archive which is often really helpful in turning up articles about people like this. So here's a search for Lehmann cricket which throws up a lot of recent hits of course. It'll need filtering. In general using a forename is less helpful on these sorts of things - he would have been likely called by his surname or CA Lehmann in articles. There look to be some hits from the appropriate sort of time showing that he played for West Perth I think. Whether there's enough for a biography to be written I'm not sure. The New Zealand equivalent is Papers Past by the way. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "CA Lehmann" and "C. A. Lehmann" turn up nothing valuable, just a couple of team rosters he's listed in. A lot more hits for "C. Lehmann," but it's more of the same. Just the surname turns up countless results, but the few pages I screened were either about other people or the same trivial mentions. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I searched ("Charles Lehmann" cricket) on trove and nothing useful came up. Fails WP:NCRIC. LibStar (talk) 08:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Western Australia first-class cricketers, as a valid WP:ATD. Doesn't look to pass WP:GNG, unless sources can be demonstrated. If redirected, then if sources are found in future, the redirect could always be re-converted into an article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:51, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with redirecting, too. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of Western Australia first-class cricketers A valid WP:ATD. It seems likely that the subject doesn't pass GNG, however there is a suitable redirect here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Crawford (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zevon Archibald

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I found no evidence of notability. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 18:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Collins

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Either Draftify or Delete. I've just noticed that fr.wiki and de.wiki have a few more details about him, and more generally, there are already a few sources that can be retrieved. I don't know if that would be enough to fulfill WP:GNG, though... Oltrepier (talk) 10:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sandstein 09:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Mansley

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Articles fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - User has nominated/proposed around 25 articles for deletion (almost all related to Australia/Oceania and that they didn't create) in a very short amount of time (see User_talk:Simione001#AFDs). There is coverage like [31], [32], [33] and other offline coverage, having played in fully pro English League Two and Australian top flight in early 2000s. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I have only nominated 6 articles today. These 3 references simply do not satisfy WP:GNG. One is about him not getting offered a contract after a trial, i mean really? Simione001 (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comments I am not sure, if you should put Newcastle Jets down or the previous incarnation names. [34], he was listed in this history article [35], but don't know more about his role at the club during the time. There is too much WP:ROUTINE and that is concerning, I don't think I see a GNG pass regardless of the A League and fully pro league games in the English league, somewhat concerning. Govvy (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. First link above does not even work. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes GNG With coverage above.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. The odd passing mention is not enough to establish notability. The first reference given above returns nothing, and is not even on the Wayback Machine. Fails GNG. Springnuts (talk) 11:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment on sufficiency of sourcing - insufficient imo as above: lack of significant coverage. Springnuts (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sources are not sufficient to meet GNG. The three provided above, the first one leads to a dead end, second one mentions the subject once and the third one pulls up a database. Not enough for SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, the article has several sources that deal with the subject in detail. Hack (talk) 02:28, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - @GiantSnowman:, @Govvy:, @Springnuts:, many sources have been added to the article. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per sources which show notability. GiantSnowman 21:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Lapic

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - User has nominated/proposed around 25 articles for deletion (almost all related to Australia/Oceania and that they didn't create) in a very short amount of time (see User_talk:Simione001#AFDs). Has sources like [36] and many more offline coverage, having made 10+ appearances in fully pro Croatian top flight and Australian top flight and played in 1993 FIFA U17 World Cup and played for Hajduk, one of best Croatian teams. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Don't want to repeat myself over and over again but i haven't nominated anywhere near 25 articles lol. Anyway there is one article that maybe satisfies WP:GNG which I cant read due to not having access and even so this is probabaly no enough hence afd. Simione001 (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You nominated/proosed these articles for deletion within the last day: Peter Bevilacqua, Bradley Clarke, Samuel Dweh, Akpo Godwin, Celestine Onyeka Obi, Melvin Minter, Daniel Ganderton, Paul Harries, George Horsfall, Zacari Hughes, Liam Jacob, Mario Jermen, Glenn Johnson, Kailo Karpeh, Panagiotis Lachanas, Paul Lapic, Leroy Jennings, Scott MacNicol , Anthony Magnacca, Chad Mansley, Dauntae Mariner, Steve McDonald, and David Meechan, which is more than 20. Also, I'm fine if you create stub articles and not delete others' articles but I don't understand how you can create stub articles and then go on a spree of trying to delete other users articles. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• They are not all from today so not nominated in short time as you suggested. Thanks. Simione001 (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, they are not all from the same day but it is still a relatively short time. Also, I appreciate you creating many soccer articles no matter how small they are, but I find it frustrating that you do that while deleting many others hard work. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• This source is decent. Not seeing much else though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete - I agree that the SMH article is useful, but I don't think it's enough to satisfy the GNG as we generally need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Jogurney (talk) 16:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There appears to be legitimate disagreement as to whether the sources provided constitute SIGCOV, but numerically the tilt toward deletion is sufficient to constitute consensus in this case. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scott MacNicol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - User has nominated/proposed around 25 articles for deletion (almost all related to Australia/Oceania and that they didn't create) in a very short amount of time (see User_talk:Simione001#AFDs). @GiantSnowman:, I found [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], [42], [43] among many more sources. Also definitely has offline coverage, having played and scored in fully pro Scottish Premier League and had extensive career in Australian top flight and as a coach. ṭThanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:43, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment - more like 6 mate. You found some decent references for this one I'll give you that. Simione001 (talk) 22:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• You nominated/proosed these articles for deletion within the last day: Peter Bevilacqua, Bradley Clarke, Samuel Dweh, Akpo Godwin, Celestine Onyeka Obi, Melvin Minter, Daniel Ganderton, Paul Harries, George Horsfall, Zacari Hughes, Liam Jacob, Mario Jermen, Glenn Johnson, Kailo Karpeh, Panagiotis Lachanas, Paul Lapic, Leroy Jennings, Scott MacNicol , Anthony Magnacca, Chad Mansley, Dauntae Mariner, Steve McDonald, and David Meechan, which is more than 20. Also, I'm fine if you create stub articles and not delete others' articles but I don't understand how you can create stub articles and then go on a spree of trying to delete other users articles. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• They are not all from today so not nominated in short time as you suggested. Thanks. Simione001 (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, they are not all from the same day but it is still a relatively short time. Also, I appreciate you creating many soccer articles no matter how small they are, but I find it frustrating that you do that while deleting many others hard work such as Dauntae Mariner and this article. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment MacNicol or McNicol ? The old BBC ref has McNicol, [44], but it seems MacNicol is more correct. No profile on soccerway is a red flag for me. Also, he is manager for a semi pro club where as the club article Rochedale Rovers FC is in terrible shape, (shouldn't it be moved to Rochedale Rovers F.C.?) Regardless of the citations and cover. From the article and provided above, I am not really that impressed. To me it's a case of citations being too local to the location of the club and where they play. I am not sure whether to weak keep or side with delete which is the way I am leaning too. Govvy (talk) 09:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I tried to have a look into this, but I am still not impressed, with the sourcing available in the article, the links posted above and google. To me this is not sufficient to pass GNG on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 23:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy:, @GiantSnowman:, [45] and [46] are from national UK newspapers. The many other sources I found above are all from reliable sources and newspapers as well. Also definitely has offline coverage, having played and scored in fully pro Scottish Premier League and had extensive career in Australian top flight and as a coach. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The coverage might be from good, reputable sources (although the Record is a tabloid), but it is not significant. GiantSnowman 21:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Das osmnezz: Sorry, but my delete vote still stands, I still don't see enough here. Regards, Govvy (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, significant sources that pass GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, significant sources that (albeit just) pass GNG. Springnuts (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The sources above are not independent enough to pass GNG, interviews and such. There is insufficient coverage. Also, I don't see how mentioning that the nominator has also nominated numerous other articles is relevant here. --IWI (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The sources listed by Das osmnezz come nowhere close to meeting GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sources are individual match reports, interviews or not significant and as such do not meet GNG. Avilich (talk) 04:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Jermen

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:04, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - User has nominated/proposed around 25 articles for deletion (almost all related to Australia/Oceania and that they didn't create) in a very short amount of time (see User_talk:Simione001#AFDs). There is coverage like [47], and [48] and other offline coverage (such as in Greek), having made 10+ appearances for PAOK, one of bets Greek top flight reams, and the fully pro Croatian top flight, and had extensive career in Australian top flight with 70+ appearances and 18+ goals. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Do you know how to count? I haven't nominated anywhere near 25 articles. One article about the guy getting injured doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• You nominated/proosed these articles for deletion within the last day: Peter Bevilacqua, Bradley Clarke, Samuel Dweh, Akpo Godwin, Celestine Onyeka Obi, Melvin Minter, Daniel Ganderton, Paul Harries, George Horsfall, Zacari Hughes, Liam Jacob, Mario Jermen, Glenn Johnson, Kailo Karpeh, Panagiotis Lachanas, Paul Lapic, Leroy Jennings, Scott MacNicol , Anthony Magnacca, Chad Mansley, Dauntae Mariner, Steve McDonald, and David Meechan, which is more than 20. Also, I'm fine if you create stub articles and not delete others' articles but I don't understand how you can create stub articles and then go on a spree of trying to delete other users articles. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• They are not all from today so not in quick time as you suggested. Thanks. Simione001 (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, they are not all from the same day but it is still a relatively short time. Also, I appreciate you creating many soccer articles no matter how small they are, but I find it frustrating that you do that while deleting many others hard work. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 10:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keepthe two sources presented by Das osmnezz are sufficient to pass WP:GNG. Frank Anchor 15:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, passes GNG with sources on page.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per sources above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I'm highly skeptical of the claims that Jermen played league matches for PAOK or Zadar. For example, RSSSF has a full list of league matches played during the 1998–99 season, and Jermen doesn't appear. I fear that we are relying on the Sydney Morning Herald article (and unreliable statistics databases like voetbal.com) which simply reports Jermen's own claims about playing professionally in Europe. If the only coverage we can find is that SMH article, I think this is a clear case of WP:BLP1E where we have no in-depth coverage of his career (just the legal claim resulting from his accident). Jogurney (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kailo Karpeh

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Article fails WP:GNG.

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• Keep - User has nominated/proposed around 25 articles for deletion (almost all related to Australia/Oceania and that they didn't create) in a very short amount of time (see User_talk:Simione001#AFDs). Has many coverage on page already (19+ sources) and played for fully pro Indian top flight team Sporting Clube de Goa and had extensive career in Australia with many goals scored. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - 25? That is false. Anyway, I'd say that all of the references are no more than trivial mentions. This guy has been playing amateur football in Adelaide for several years which is where I come from. He is not notable. Simione001 (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• You nominated/proosed these articles for deletion within the last day: Peter Bevilacqua, Bradley Clarke, Samuel Dweh, Akpo Godwin, Celestine Onyeka Obi, Melvin Minter, Daniel Ganderton, Paul Harries, George Horsfall, Zacari Hughes, Liam Jacob, Mario Jermen, Glenn Johnson, Kailo Karpeh, Panagiotis Lachanas, Paul Lapic, Leroy Jennings, Scott MacNicol , Anthony Magnacca, Chad Mansley, Dauntae Mariner, Steve McDonald, and David Meechan, which is more than 20. Also, I'm fine if you create stub articles and not delete others' articles but I don't understand how you can create stub articles and then go on a spree of trying to delete other users articles. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• They are not all from today so not nominated in short time as you suggested. Thanks. Simione001 (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, they are not all from the same day but it is still a relatively short time. Also, I appreciate you creating many soccer articles no matter how small they are, but I find it frustrating that you do that while deleting many others hard work. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes GNG with sources on page.--Ortizesp (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - There are a number of sources included with the article, but none appear to even approach being in-depth coverage. The Sportskeeda entry appeared to be useful, but it's dedicated to his older brother (with just one brief sentence about Kailo). I couldn't find anything else that suggests WP:GNG could be met. Also, the idea suggested above that the nominator is "trying to delete other users articles" is troubling (it backs my suspicion that some editors participating in football biography AfDs take a view of "ownership" over articles that simply isn't acceptable). Jogurney (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, lack of significant coverage in reliable sources - fails GNG. Springnuts (talk) 11:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - despite playing for a plethora of clubs, I was unable to find any sources that meet GNG's requirements Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:57, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Izaiah Jennings

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Article about former soccer player who had an unsuccessful 6-month spell in the Austrian second division and which comprehensively fails WP:GNG. Online coverage consists of club press releases, match reports, hyper-local coverage of his high school's soccer program, a club fansite blogpost, and a couple of trivial mentions/club press release regurgitations in the Austrian press. Jogurney (talk) 19:44, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails WP:ATHLETE.TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Al-Ameri

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Could not find any detailed coverage that would qualify for WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. Please bear in mind, when searching, that there are plenty of namesakes as this is a very common Arabic name. Emaratalyoum is about Ali Al-Amri (footballer), so needs to be ignored. Rimessa is about a Tunisian footballer of this name so also needs to be ignored. Akhbaar24 mentions him and simply says he renewed his contract with Al-Adalah. The coverage is so weak that it doesn't even say how long it has been renewed for! It's not even close to the depth that we need. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio ^giuliano 16:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Fielding

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Article about footballer who has only made a single appearance in the FA Trophy cup and which utterly fails WP:GNG. The online coverage is trivial; just club press releases, match reports and brief blurbs like this that don't represent significant coverage in reliable sources. Article was previously kept at AfD in 2018 long before WP:NSPORTS2022 and without any consideration of whether the article passed the GNG (it didn't and still doesn't). Jogurney (talk) 16:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. We had a lot of Mansfieldcruft deleted some time ago; alarming that as recently as 2018 such an article was "speedily kept". He did indeed have plenty of time to make a reasonable impression at that point, but he didn't and still hasn't. Also, as I always say in these circumstances, we are supposed to be a global encyclopaedia, not Anglospherepedia. RobinCarmody (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as original article creator, no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio ^giuliano 16:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bryce Lebel

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Article about collegiate soccer player who played in a handful of second division matches a few years ago, but which utterly fails WP:GNG. There is no online significant coverage in reliable sources; just match reports, press releases and blogposts like this that fall far short of SIGCOV. It's WP:TOOSOON for an article about this young player. Jogurney (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete for the same reasons as stated in the nomination

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Burns

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Player played one game in second division, and all other games way down the league pyramid. Coverage is almost exclusively passing mentions in match reports, with a handful of short local sports articles giving some attention (things like this and this, but nothing really substantial (e.g. covering his career or giving some background) or supra-local. Fram (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Clearly significant figure in Scottish lower league football with ongoing career based on sources here on on the page itself. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: As it happens, I have seen the subject play as a sub in a Scottish 4th tier match. Such coverage as exists is in routine game reports or, as Fram says, supra-local coverage: for example, Stirling Observer articles are "badged" online as Daily Record. I really don't see that that the subject's career as youth footballer and then semi-pro has demonstrably attained notability. AllyD (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:SPORTBASIC due to lack of significant coverage despite the WP:REFBOMB giving an illusion that Burns is covered well. Upon assessing all of the article's sources, none of them are anything better than a few mentions of scoring goals in match reports for semi-pro/amateur fixtures. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, sources do not support GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 18:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above, not enough significant coverage to pass GNG. Frank Anchor 00:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete sourcing doesn't seem to be sufficient per WP:SPORTBASIC. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 03:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Grand Pro Wrestling. Star Mississippi 14:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Hope (wrestler)

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Another independent no notable wrestler. Sources are just WP:ROUTINE with no focus on him. Quick research, also ROUTINE results [49] HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No in-depth sources found from my search Carpimaps (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]