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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aivar Kisel

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Fails WP:GNG. Played in youth level, no WP:SIGCOV. Pelmeen10 (talk) 11:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previously deprodded so ineligible for soft deletion.
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nejc Plesec

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Obscure lower division player without any WP:SIGCOV at all, in fact the only sources that I can find are database profiles, currenlty plays in a fully-amateur 4th division. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Matic Marcius

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WP:GNG, no significant coverage of any kind can be found, only 9 appearances in fully-pro leagues. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:12, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Gang-il

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. ––FormalDude (talk) 11:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Melique García

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According to this, his best ever rankings are way outside required for WP:NTRACK. LibStar (talk) 04:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marvin Maldonado

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Fails WP:NMMA. Subject does not even appear to have a profile on the Fight Matrix database, and has not made the top 10 of Sherdog's rankings. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 22:55, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Loretta Janowski

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According to the AAGPBL website ([1]), Janowski/y signed a contract with the South Bend Blue Sox in 1951. However, no statistics are known and according to the AAGPBL "This player has not been located. We have no additional information." No coverage found in searches on Newspapers.com, Google, or in The women of the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League: a biographical dictionary. Fails WP:GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 19:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soe Lwin Lwin (footballer)

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WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG require multiple reliable sources showing detailed coverage. Out of the two references in the article, I am unable to access the first one as my PC says that it's a dangerous and possibly malicious website and the second reference is a trivial mention. I have searched in Burmese and English and found plenty on Soe Lwin Lwin but nothing really regarding the apparently non-notable footballer of this name. Best sources were NLD and Eleven, both of which only mentioned Soe Lwin Lwin once in the entire article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pavel Trusov

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Ex-holder of two Guinness World records, with no any other achievements whatsover. His article on ru.wikipedia has been deleted twice for lack of any national achievements [2]. Materialscientist (talk) 01:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I don’t think someone who at some point held two Guinness World Records in something obscure should have a Wikipedia page. There was also a lot of misinformation regarding his kick-boxing career. Claims were made such as Pavel was a 10 time champion of his region and 2 time champion of Russia. It’s impossible to find online sources whether it be some kind of news website, record page or a video that showcases any of that. His Russian Wikipedia page was already deleted for the same reason that Pavel simply has no reliable sources and doesn’t meet the criteria to even be considered as an actual athlete. Allegedly his kick-boxing achievements only consist of some wins that Pavel had when he was younger than 15 years old according to Russian Wikipedia delete discussion [3].

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  • Delete - if bro is notable as a record-setter, then ig the relevant page listing the title holders should list him but it does not seem like bro is notable enough on 'is own, aye WesSirius (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the link for the first reference is broken, and I doubt the source's reliability because it is an interview. Apart from the Guiness record, Trusov has no awards or official titles. IMHO, he does not meet general WP criteria or those for WP:ATHLETE. ThegaBolt (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I don't believe that these Guinness records are enough to show WP notability. A long time ago these was a discussion about Guinness world records in the martial arts and they were deemed to generally not show notability (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/archive 16#Do world records confer notability?). More importantly, there is little significant independent coverage of the records or Trusov and no indication that Trusov has ever been close to showing notability as a kickboxer. There's nothing to show he meets any WP notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Khalil Al-Absi

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Has been draftified once recently so we're here. While it was deleted in 2022, factors have changed since that AfD. However, it does not appear he's notable. Star Mississippi 14:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep sources on page seem to imply he passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career in the fully pro Saudi top flight with over 30 appearances (including for Al-Nassr, one of the most successful teams) who also helped Saudi Arabia Olympic team win their first West Asian U-23 Championship trophy. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Most of those sources are namedrops. There are a couple of sources that I couldn't translate but they are short and unlikely to provide sigcov of Al-Absi. Dougal18 (talk) 10:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per source analysis below Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.kooora.com/?player=125732 Yes Yes No Database site, not within WP:SPORTBASIC ✘ No
https://int.soccerway.com/players/khalil-ibrahim-alabsi/651749/ Yes Yes No Database site, not within WP:SPORTBASIC ✘ No
3 Yes Yes No No mention of him ✘ No
https://arriyadiyah.com/676957 Yes Yes No Routine coverage of a youth fixture, mentioned only twice ✘ No
https://akhbaar24.argaam.com/article/detail/481299 Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2020/11/07/saudi-arabia/pro-league/al-nasr-riyadh/al-quadisiya-khobar/3400415/ Yes Yes No Database site, not within WP:SPORTBASIC ✘ No
https://elghad.news/41183/ Yes Yes No Squad list mention ✘ No
8 Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://akhbaar24.argaam.com/article/detail/609666 Yes Yes No Two-sentence transfer announcement followed by a Twitter video. No depth. ✘ No
https://www.saff.com.sa/news.php?id=1902 No Yes No Squad list mention ✘ No
11 Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
https://akhbaar24.argaam.com/article/detail/530043/ Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
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Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per source analysis by Spiderone. JoelleJay (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per source analysis above. Frank Anchor 20:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rico Disciullo

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Fails WP:NMMA. Subject's highest ranking by Fight Matrix is 274th in the world bantamweight rankings, which is short of the top 10 requirement. Subject has also never made the top 10 of a Sherdog ranking. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 10:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jo Un-ok

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Fails WP:NTRACK. Also only based on primary sources. LibStar (talk) 02:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 07:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Biggie Biggs

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No notable wrestler. Barely no coverage, except WP:ROUTINE. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete I don't find any coverage about this person. There's a pizza joint using this name, that's about all I find. Oaktree b (talk) 00:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Fernando Alonso. Clear consensus below not to retain the article as a standalone. No real consensus on whether to merge or not. Hence, I am closing as 'redirect', and any interested editor can rescue the content of the article from behind the redirect and go through normal editorial processes if they wish to merge some/all of the content. Daniel (talk) 22:37, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Motor racing career of Fernando Alonso

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This is just a content fork of his own article. Tvx1 17:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge to Fernando Alonso – While this article does offer more detail, I agree with the nomination that this is an innapropriate content fork. The racing record sections are a direct duplication, the fork merely expands on his career. I will note that the main article is only 36k characters, and the fork is 49k. Since a lot of the fork (lead and results tables) can be discarded, and the remainder would replace the bulk of the main article anyway, the final product should still be within the acceptable size range described in the WP:SIZERULE. 5225C (talk • contributions) 02:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Nothing to merge that isn't already covered in the parent article, except for useless, bloated WP:FANCRUFT which shouldn't be merged anyway such as lines like "Alonso visited the team's factory in Enstone during pre-season for a seat fitting to feel comfortable in the R25.[43] He felt the more powerful and driveable car was more constant over a long period of time and that it had improved braking and stability.[44] The media considered Renault the pre-season favourites to win the championship and predicted a closely fought duel between Alonso and his teammate Giancarlo Fisichella.[45] Alonso said he entered the year in a positive mood and push hard and enjoy racing.[46]" - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 13:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • First preference is to keep and then completely gut the relevant sections from the parent article instead leaving just the link to this article. I think that Alonso's article is long enough as it is. Second preference is to merge most of the non-formula 1 content, in particular Endurance racing career, IndyCar Series and Off-road racing which aren't covered in enough detail in the main article (I tend to agree with the above that some of the F1 coverage of this article needs to be trimmed). A7V2 (talk) 23:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The IndyCar section also contains excessively detailed WP:FANCRUFT that should not be merged, such as "Alonso was mentored by the 2003 Indianapolis 500 winner Gil de Ferran,[216] and Michael Andretti was his strategist.[217] He visited Andretti Autosport's headquarters in Indianapolis on 24 April for a seat fitting. Alonso was acquainted with his race engineer and Andretti Autosports technical director Eric Bretzman and the crew chief Dave Popielarz.[218] He then spent time in Honda Performance Development's oval simulator under the supervision of De Ferran to prepare for the race.[217]" - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 14:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge of any DUE content, delete the rest. JoelleJay (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as suggested by several editors here. There's plenty of room in the subject article for a detailing of his career, which is the reason he's notable in the first place. BusterD (talk) 23:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One pole positions by Lewis Hamilton

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Does not meet WP:LISTN and at odds with WP:DUP and WP:CFORK. Tvx1 17:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also nomination the following articles for the same reasons:

List of Formula One pole positions by Michael Schumacher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Formula One pole positions by Ayrton Senna (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Formula One pole positions by Sebastian Vettel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Tvx1 17:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • DELETE; per nomination. --Falcadore (talk) 23:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all – Needless fork of the results tables already provided in the main articles. Wikipedia is not a statistical database, and these are entirely redundant. They completely fail NLIST, which states that a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, and there is no evidence on any of these articles that such coverage exists. Even a cursory check for each of these will show that virtually the only time they are considered as a set is by statistics databases. 5225C (talk • contributions) 02:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per above. Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom and others. Needless statscruft and lists do not meet WP:LISTN. Ajf773 (talk) 09:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: all. Fails WP:NLIST and is therefore also a violation of WP:NOSTATS SSSB (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per the above. Doesn't provide any encyclopedic content, just data. A7V2 (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as unnecessary WP:CFORKs. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nabil Naïli

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Nadjib Khiar

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tarek Ammoura

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:26, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Serhiy Chopyk

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Fails WP:GNG. Kline | yes? 23:34, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 20:15, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the Ukrainian and Russian articles contain several sources on Chopyk, but i am not sure that he is notable enough. Namely, he has been playing in amateur clubs since 2006. In 2005, the last year of his league career, he scored only one goal during the whole season.ThegaBolt (talk) 18:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - No international success, so fails WP:SPORTBASIC. No significant coverage, so fails WP:GNG. BruceThomson (talk) 08:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - per nom. No real proof of notability out there. Angelo (talk) 23:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I can't find anything when searching "Сергій Чопік". The Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedia articles have plenty of sources but all of them are trivial or are database profile pages. Xepcoh is the only non-stats database source and it only mentions Chopyk once. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 22:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fuad Fereje

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Per WP:NSOCCER, the relevant notability criterion for this sort of athlete is WP:SPORTCRIT, that is, subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. I've searched online for sources that meet this, and I've found precisely zero; I'm finding a couple of trivial mention his Latin name [4] [5], and I'm plainly not able to find mentions of his Amharic name (ፋዓድ ፈረጃ) in reliable sources; he appears to fail WP:SPORTCRIT. The other potentially relevant notability criteria (WP:NBASIC and WP:GNG) have the same standard of multiple independent reliable sources, so he also appears to fail those criteria.

For these reasons, this article should be deleted per WP:DEL-REASON#8, as an article whose subject fails to meet the relevant notability criteria of WP:SPORTCRIT/WP:NBASIC/WP:GNG. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Two international FIFA caps, it might be possible there are sources out there for this, Red-tailed has posted a good AfD here and it's hard to refute his nomination. If anyone finds decent sourcing ping me, otherwise I sadly side with delete per policy. Govvy (talk) 11:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Memiš Limani

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I can't find any significant coverage at all. I have tried using Serbian Cyrillic ("Мемиш Лимани") but had no luck there either. Subject needs to meet WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG to have an article but I can't find any evidence of either. I have searched Google Images, Google Books, Google, ProQuest or DDG. This DDG search only comes up with sources directly derived from this Wikipedia article, even the YouTube video is a Wikipedia mirror! Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Khandker Nazrul Quader

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NN in both business and sports UtherSRG (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sepp Kunze

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Four 3. Liga games in 2009, otherwise an amateur career. Can find nothing except some old match reports, consequently fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 12:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 03:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saâd Sahraoui

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 04:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 02:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Rios (Quarterback)

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Does not appear to meet WP:YOUNGATH or WP:GNG. BangJan1999 00:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete no evidence that this young athlete has received any coverage by websites that track high school athletes. References seem to lead either directly to generic urls or self-referenced webpages. Additionally the article seems to be written by the subject themselves. -
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  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG, WP:YOUNGATH, and WP:NGRIDIRON, per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 07:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Not enough coverage. JojoMN1987 (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Almost entirely written by *someones* Dad. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MistyJelloDad Habanero-tan (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Piling on here, but I agree with those above. Absolutely TOOSOON and no coverage. Very rare for a high school football player to meet notability requirements, the only one I'm aware of in recent memory is Arch Manning. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Very few high school football players meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, and the ones that do are always 5 star prospects (recent examples include Arch Manning, Travis Hunter and Nico Iamaleava). Rios isn't even ranked in the top 1000 recruits of his class and as far as I can tell doesn't even have a page on 247, the main source for high school players which has over 2000+ bios for player his age. This is also a poorly written article (obviously he is a free agent, he's in high school) so not much is lost.--Newtothisedit (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not seeing any sign of notability. Rlendog (talk) 14:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:37, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Oresti

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Word-for-word copy & paste from Draft:Luke Oresti after an initial move was reverted by User:Simione001. Worth noting that the article was draftified following clear consensus at the previous Oresti AfD. All participants agreed that the subject was a WP:TOOSOON case. This still applies, in my view. Best source I can find is being listed as an unused sub in The Football Sack.

I've done a WP:BEFORE search and can't find any coverage of him from independent sources since the previous discussion, therefore I suggest deleting the mainspace copy and retaining the draftspace version, which contains all of the article history. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as he has already scored and played at professional level. He is notable & has many articles from independent sources. Nzs9 (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Playing at professional level is not relevant in terms of notability. Please can you point me to examples of significant coverage in independent sources as you have not used any such references in the article and I was unable to find any when doing my own searches? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not that it really matters in terms of notability but he has not actually played in any professional matches. The two matches he played in the cup were against semi-pro clubs. Simione001 (talk) 21:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please also see WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG, which I forgot to cite in my initial deletion comment. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Google search shows little that can help expand/ better reference the article. - GA Melbourne (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete nothing seems to have changed from the previous AFD, which had clear consensus that he wasn't notable enough right now. Anyone voting keep needs to demonstrate that the coverage of him now is significantly more than 8 months ago, to prove that the previous AFD is no longer relevant. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    He's scored at professional level since then. Nzs9 (talk) 06:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't make him intrinsically notable though. No evidence of significantly more coverage to pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Return to draftspace as there is still not enough WP:SIGCOV to satisfy WP:GNG. Subject may have passed the old WP:NFOOTY but that is not a valid SNG anymore. Frank Anchor 20:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed to delete as this was created as a "copy and paste move" from Draft:Luke Oresti, which still exists in draftspace. Frank Anchor 20:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ezequiel Echeverría

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 06:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per sources below which show notability. GiantSnowman 21:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], among many many more Spanish sources. There are definitely offline sources as well, having made over 60 appearances in the fully pro Venezuelan top flight and Argentine second tier in the 2000s. Has an ongoing managerial career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk)
  • Keep per Das osmnezz passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Checked over Das osmnezz's articles he mentioned... agree that it passes WP:GNG JojoMN1987 (talk) 13:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Almost all of the coverage Das osmnezz identified above relates to Echeverria's time as a manager of a club in the Gral. Villegas Partido league (yes, it's organized football, but not at a level any reasonable person would consider notable). The coverage of his managerial exploits is entirely routine (interviews and match previews mostly), so falls far short of WP:GNG. If we go back to his playing career, he did play 50+ matches in the Argentine Primera Nacional - which is a league that gets substantial coverage in the Argentine press. That said, I can't locate any significant coverage because there isn't much online from 2004–07. Coverage of the latter part of his career is available but consists of routine stuff like match reports and interviews. There is really nothing available that makes me think this meets any of our notability guidelines. Jogurney (talk) 16:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the level of competition matters anymore, if he gets coverage at regional football league coverage then he could still pass GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, if a student athlete receives significant coverage in reliable sources, an article about them would meet our guidelines - the obvious problem here is not the level Echeverría manages at, but the clear lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Jogurney (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Esparza (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 07:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Viktor Axelsen. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Axelsen career statistics

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Most of the important information has been included in the main article "Viktor Axelsen". So, do not need to separate main article with player career statistics. See also: Talk:Wang Yihan#Merger proposal. Thank you Stvbastian (talk) 07:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The page was initially created as similar pages seemed to be commonplace for tennis players, but if experienced users are of the opinion that the page is unnecessary, please feel free to delete it or redirect it to the subject's main article. Jasonb28 (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Sailing at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Dragon. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Auguste Galeyn

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A Lugnuts sporting substub. A one-time olympian who placed 17th in sailing. BrigadierG (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Kreh

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Nominator's rationale: No evidence that this person was notable or was their disappearance. I also can't find any additional coverage about this person, and their article is just a mere stub as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete unless somebody can find significant coverage of this person in independent, reliable sources. His canoing accomplishments fail to establish notability and the anecdote about his disappearance is unreferenced. I completed a good faith Google search and found nothing about this person, although a few other people share his name. Cullen328 (talk) 07:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete lack of notability, lack of sources. --(loopback) ping/whereis 08:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Biography with no reliable source to proof passage --Doctorlimp (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Armando Bashhysa

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As playing in an WP:FPL is no longer relevant in terms of notability, I can't see a reason to keep this article. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. No hits in Google News or ProQuest. A search in DDG yields only database sites and Wikipedia mirrors. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zineddine Debieb

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sid Ali Ammoura

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:50, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Salim Baroudi

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ouissam Mokrane

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nacereddine Bacha

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohamed Benaissa (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Habib Hacene

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Zerroukhat

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Farès Boudemagh

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The "keeps" are largely based on the slew of references provided early on in the discussion; however, nobody arguing to keep has presented evidence here as to how these sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. The argument that interviews are admissible is an oversimplification; interviews may count toward GNG when they have intellectually independent content; that has not been demonstrated here. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Belkacem Niati

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - I found 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16, among many many more French sources. There are definitely Arabic sources as well. Clearly significant figure in local Algerian football with over 100+ appeanrces in the fully pro Algerian top flight as well as a 2017-18 Algerian Cup winner. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, can you improve the article in this case? Currently it seems his achievement is 24 apps is Ligue2. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    According to soccerway.com, Niati played for CR Belouizdad during the 2016–17 season, but he did not appear for the club in any cup matches for which they have records (round of 16 or later), so it's hardly accurate to say he was a cup winner (even accounting for the fact you cited the wrong season). Jogurney (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 20:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails GNG. The refbombing above has no significant coverage of Niati. Dougal18 (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sources by Das osmnezz.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Can we please ban Dasosmnezz from refbombing AfDs? These source lists he produces are always majority composed of exactly the types of sources he personally has seen rejected in dozens of footballer AfDs (Q&A interviews, routine transactional announcements, non-independent profiles), so even if on rare occasions there is a piece of SIRS SIGCOV, other editors are still forced to wade through and analyze a bunch of junk at every single AfD.
3, competition.dz is a Q&A interview: Red XN. 4, lexpressiondz.com is another Q&A interview: Red XN. 5, lebuteur.com via djazairess.com is a routine press release with no SIGCOV: Red XN. 6, elwatan.com is a handful of sentences reporting contract negotiations: Red XN. 7, lebuteur.com is details on an earlier transfer dispute that offer slightly more coverage but are more about administrative issues than Niati himself: Red XN. 8, dknews-dz.com is a routine transactional announcement: Red XN. 9, depechedekabylie.com has almost zero independent info on Niati as it is about the coach/management's response to player strikes in general: Red XN. 10 is another Q&A from the same outlet as 3: Red XN. 11 is a Q&A from the same outlet as 9: Red XN. 12 is a reprint of a very brief Q&A from outlet #7 hosted by outlet #5: Red XN. 11 is a post-game Q&A by outlet #7: Red XN. 12 from outlet #3 is a bare quote by Niati followed by general updates on JSMB that do not contain SIGCOV of Niati: Red XN. 14 is another Q&A from outlet #11: Red XN. 15, presse-algerie.net is entirely quotes from Niati: Red XN. JoelleJay (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Q&A interviews are admissible for GNG AFAIK.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By "Q&A interviews" I am referring to those that provide little to no independent commentary by the interviewer. These absolutely do not contribute to GNG as they are primary and violate OR. All of Niati's interviews are of the useless Q&A format and so cannot count towards notability. JoelleJay (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
they don't count for GNG, they can be used to hang additional facts on the main article tree, but they don't support the tree themselves. Oaktree b (talk) 02:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep passes GNG per above refs.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete - Although Niati had a pretty full career playing football in the Algerian top division, I can't see any coverage that rises to the level of WP:SIGCOV. Most third party coverage focuses on two contract disputes (in 2015 and 2019) rather than detailing his career or achievements (This Algerian football magazine dedicates a single paragraph to the 2015 transfer dispute). There is plenty of superficial coverage (noted above) that doesn't discuss his career but rather focuses on a single upcoming or completed match or team training. None of this suggests WP:GNG could be met. If someone can find older (pre-2015) editions of Journal Maracana online, perhaps we would find more in depth coverage of his career there, but for now it's just wishful thinking. Jogurney (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, issuu.com has a search function and it's fairly easy to find older editions of Journal Maracana there. The coverage is generally routine from what I found (This post-match interview is representative). I'm not finding anything to change my mind. Jogurney (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep above refs are sufficient to pass GNG. I disagree with some of JoelleJay's assessment, particularly dismissing sources that include Q&A interviews along with some additional content. Frank Anchor 20:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Frank Anchor, what "additional content"? None of those sources contain sufficient independent, secondary commentary by the interviewers to count towards even BASIC, and certainly none of them meet NSPORT's strict requirements for a full GNG source, which has still not been identified:
    3: JSMB midfielder Belkacem Niati has returned to his old team, after successfully achieving the goal of joining CABBA. Being among the last elements to have joined the workforce ... Docked during the resumption session on Wednesday afternoon, the middle of the JSMB returned to the Hammam Bourguiba course and the preparation that the players have made so far.
    4: The master of the band in Bouakkez, Belkacem Nitai, who has already won this cup with the CRB...
    10: Niati Belkacem, with his experience, goes in this direction by declaring that we will have to be patient and wait a few games, before being able to judge the team.
    11: The CABBA defector, Belkacem Niati, had a first-class game against the RCK. Moreover, he was behind the penalty obtained in the last minutes of the match, giving the victory for the JSMB.
    12: Against the USMBA, Belkacim Niati scored his eighth goal of the season, making him his team's best scorer this season.
    13: The midfielder of JSM Béjaïa, Belkacem Niati, was angry at the end of the match which opposed his team to CR Belouizdad, yesterday, after the defeat (2-0) but especially the goal disallowed by the referee who played in favor of the Algiers. (This is really primary/non-indy as it is stating Niati's feelings rather than offering the author's analysis; at any rate, it's not encyclopedic content anyway.)
    14: The technical staff of the JSMB will certainly rely on key elements such as midfielder Belkacem Niati to win the big derby the day after tomorrow against the MOB. JoelleJay (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    My interpretation is that relevant content summarizing the interviews, however brief, is enough to get this particular topic past GNG. Especially when there are so many sources covering different aspects of the subject in this way. Frank Anchor 13:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Frank Anchor, as an interviewee's responses are indisputably primary and non-independent, they cannot contribute to notability, and per WP:PRIMARY only very basic info from them is permitted in a wikipedia article. This is outlined further in WP:OR, which includes interviews among several examples of primary documents. This has been affirmed in numerous biography AfDs:
    This close statement: The result was delete. Interviews are primary sources so the delete argument is the policy based one.
    AfD nominations by admins
    here: This article on a tattoo artist is sourced mainly from interviews. Being primary sources, they don't help us establish his notability. (A !voter further states The interview in the magazine - can't assess it.... So even if the [interview] contains a lot of independent information (doubt it plus a niche source), Rojas would not pass the WP:GNG based on what I found.)
    here: WP:BLP of a radio personality and podcaster, referenced entirely to WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and Q&A interviews that cannot support notability
    and here: There are interviews, and a number of performance listings but nothing independent
    Deletion rationales
    here: So far I am seeing numerous interviews but little in the way of WP:SECONDARY sources.... I would like to see pretty much any of the people voting Keep put forth WP:THREE best sources (that aren't interviews) to demonstrate that this article is unequivocally notable beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    source analysis here
    discussion here: The first and third links are short, primary source interviews. The second link is kind of nothing. Please have a look at secondary sources.
    here: I disagree with the statement "...sources are in depth, reliable and independent. That a quote comes from her father doesn't make the source doing the quoting "not independent" in any way". The quote comes from Reem ("according to Reem...") -- this is the definition of a non-independent source. Interviews in general are not SIGCOV sources for the purpose of establishing notability.
    here: The Ynaija interview only quotes Mr. Israel and does not add any independent research. As such it is effectively a self-published source and not verifiable.
    see also here, here, and here. JoelleJay (talk) 18:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources are brief mentions and he had a brief, brief career. Perhaps a redirect to the club? If this was an MLB player, I'd perhaps redirect to the 2016-2017 season for that ball club, but this soccer team doesn't have such extensive season articles. Oaktree b (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He definitely did not have a "brief, brief career", he had over 160+ appeanrces in the fully pro Algerian top flight/second tier and was a 2017-18 Algerian Cup winner (see 17). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - blatant failure of WP:GNG and anything else related. Those "sources" are just passing references and are not WP:RS at all: I can't stop reminding you all that quality is far more important than quantity when we talk about sources. Angelo (talk) 23:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Ahmed Walid Ferhat

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Fails WP:GNG Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdelkader Bakhti

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mahfoud Bouabdallah

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sidi Mohamed Maroufel

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, as there isn't a suitable redirect. JoelleJay (talk) 17:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:GNG failure. Redirecting is not appropriate as the subject is not mentioned at the suggested target and because he was active for multiple seasons and for multiple clubs so it's not a case where there is one obvious target. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; no WP:SIGCOV available. Jogurney (talk) 19:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Verona Berisha

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 07:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Agnesa Gashi

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 07:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ramzi Louanas

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:36, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Gonzalez (soccer)

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Semi-pro that does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The spotlight on reference is not independent as it's published by the club that he plays for. The best sources that I found were The West, Sydney Morning Herald and My Football, all of which only mention Gonzalez once. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 20:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Molnar

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Can't find anything towards WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG, his one game in an WP:FPL is no longer relevant. Best I can find is a passing mention in Nemzeti Sport, also derived from a Facebook post, Sport 24, which mentions him only once, and Sport.ua, which mentions him being a defender and having played 17 youth matches. Sport.ua is the best source but it's not good enough for SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
http://fcgoverla.uz.ua/index.php?page=interview&id=603 No The website for FC Hoverla Uzhhorod, a club that he played for No No Mentioned twice only ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20130622211012/http://time-football.com/news-111810-vorskla-goverla-razgrom-i-otstavka-sevidova/ Yes Yes No Says he made his debut, not mentioned again in text ✘ No
http://fcgoverla.uz.ua/index.php?page=news&id=1247 No The website for FC Hoverla Uzhhorod, a club that he played for No No Mentioned 3 times, all of which are just lists of footballers. Molnár is not addressed directly. ✘ No
https://sport.ua/news/245258-ukraintsy-v-belarusi-polniy-trofeyniy-boekomplekt Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://sport.24tv.ua/viktor-tsigankov-mozhe-pokinuti-dinamo-chomu-futbolist-propustiv_n2235998 Yes Yes No Can't see any mention of him ✘ No
https://www.ffu.org.ua/eng/tournaments/prof/51403/ ? ? ? Dead link - looks like a tournament page ? Unknown
https://int.soccerway.com/players/-/260213/ Yes Yes No Soccerway is a database ✘ No
https://www.transfermarkt.com/robert-molnar/profil/spieler/271435 No No WP:TRANSFERMARKT No Database ✘ No
https://www.playmakerstats.com/player.php?id=282945 Yes Yes No Database ✘ No
http://www.allplayers.in.ua/ua/player/3461 Yes Yes No Database ✘ No
https://footballfacts.ru/person/167907 Yes Yes No Database ✘ No
https://www.soccerpunter.com/players/260213-R%c3%b3bert-Moln%c3%a1r Yes No No Database ✘ No
https://www.footballdatabase.eu/fr/joueur/details/203673-robert-molnar Yes No No Database ✘ No
http://www.hlsz.hu/1991-06-24/molnar-robert.html Yes No No Database ✘ No
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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Al-Muqaitib

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BLP with no acceptable sources. Best sources I can find are Ar Riyadiyah, which mentions him once, Time Kora, which looks like a blog, contains no in-depth coverage and is referenced to a Twitter page, Al Fiha, which is a basic transfer announcement that merely states his year of birth, position and length of contract and Al-Jazirah, which has only one sentence about him, confirming that he has signed a three-year contract. None of the above meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC.

Furthermore, the article was created by a block-evading sock and has been edited by two more confirmed socks in Lilianasri and Gulfup. Some IP edits mean that this is ineligible for WP:G5 but the socking is still worth mentioning. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jujiro Tanaka

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He competed at the 1968 Summer Olympics but did not win a medal and a WP:BEFORE search didn't find anything else significant although there could be sources in Japanese that I didn't find. Could be redirected to Rowing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Men's eight or Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics. Suonii180 (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd tend to support a redirect here - to either option put forward by the nominator. There's a chance more information comes up in Japanese language sources and this way we preserve the history and attribution for the page. I probably have a slightl preference for Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics as the redirect target, but only very slight. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per nom and Blue Square. I had a quick look and couldn't find any sources in Japanese online, though I may have missed something. — Jumbo T (talk) 13:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to the team, he's not notable on his own. --Fulmard (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iestyn Evans

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Potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC due to lack of detailed coverage from independent sources. In my searches, the best that I can find is South Wales Argus, which mentions him only once. This club website mentions him being sent off in a match but this is routine game coverage and SPORTBASIC states team sites are generally not regarded as independent of the subject. I found plenty of hits on ProQuest but none seem to be relevant. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. I see no consensus here as there is a fundamental disagreement on whether or not sources available establish GNG. I don't think a second relisting will resolve this divide. I feel like there is another AFD in this article's future. Liz Read! Talk! 05:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Kastanaras

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Fails WP:NBASIC. Ref 1 is an one-paragraph announcement, ref 2 is a routine announcement primarily quotes, ref 3 appears to also be routine sport coverage, having only three short paragraphs, mostly quotes, ref 4 is a five-sentence announcement, whereas ref 5 is slightly longer, but also leans on the routine side, mainly mentioning stats and injuries, and is debatably non-trivial. My WP:BEFORE found sources such as interview, mention, and short/routine coverage, e.g., 1, 2, 3, but I don't think they meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. My search for the Greek name didn't find much meeting SIGCOV as well, so I purpose a redirect to VfB Stuttgart (please ping me if more substantial coverage are found).

The notability of this has been discussed at User talk:Ortizesp#Thomas Kastanaras and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User_turns_articles_into_redirects_without_any_discussion regarding a draftification by Onel5969. I've pinged Hannelsen, Lee Vilenski, BusterD, Amakuru, and Ortizesp who were involved in these discussions. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep passes GNG, coverage is beyond basic with biographical information, enough to write a legitimate article. Sources are significant, primary and independent of the subject.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't believe we're all looking at the same five sources and same BEFORE. None of the five applied sources directly details anything other than the routine sports news associated with specific events and contract negotiations. The subject is inarguably verified. I just don't see any compelling case made or proven that the subject is any more notable than any other paid teen-aged football player. The subject fails significant coverage at GNG and in no way meets SPORTSBASIC. This is a redlink on a team template and as such doesn't in any way constitute a compelling need to violate BLP. BusterD (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - clearly none of the sources is anything but routine sports coverage. Fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 TT me 01:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per the nom's well-reasoned argument and extensive BEFORE. The sources are the same kind of UNDUE routine transactional coverage rejected in dozens of AfDs; at this point it should be clear they are not acceptable for SPORTBASIC and it's disruptive for editors to keep insisting they're SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 06:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to Draftify, as I didn't read the dates of the sources till now. The coverage is still mostly non-encyclopedic and marginal, but as there is the potential for SIGCOV in the near future I think it's appropriate to draftify. JoelleJay (talk) 22:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect to VfB Stuttgart - While I disagree with the characterization of the Stuttgarter Nachricten article (it is brief but not "routine"), I agree that there is not enough online German-language coverage to meet WP:GNG. He's only played a handful of minutes in the Bundesliga, so it's hardly surprising that the coverage isn't there yet - it's just WP:TOOSOON. Jogurney (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the sourcing is sufficient to meet GNG IMHO. GiantSnowman 20:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the references in the article are a bit thin - but here's another couple from last week. one and two. Nfitz (talk) 18:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep What's on the article seems okay to start with and there is more online which to me feels like a perfectly valid article that passes what I believe as basic GNG. As always, I fail to understand why delete voters never support drafting an article. Govvy (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Like I said in my nomination statement, it has already been draftified twice (1, 2) and contested, so AfD is the next step for this article. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Which source passes SPORTSBASIC? JoelleJay (talk) 22:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless one of the applied sources offers significant coverage (and none of the seven presented so far do), this still fails SPORTSBASIC which requires at least one significant coverage source. BusterD (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per WP:RS. NYC Guru (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is just clarifying that I do agree that some of these sources meet the reliable sources guideline. Instead, my subjective concern is that significant coverage isn't satisfied, which other editors of course respectfully disagree with (which I appreciate as it's great in building a consensus). Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep scrapes through WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Can someone please point out which source actually satisfies SPORTSCRIT? Handwaving at "GNG" is meaningless if there isn't a specific source identified. JoelleJay (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some that others have suggested are STN, ZVW and Fussball Transfers Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not in-depth coverage, just routine. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails WP:NBASIC as likely WP:TOOSOON. Trivial coverage does not advance notability. Not opposed to Redirect to VfB Stuttgart as an ATD. Sources that mention things like the subject "receives a professional contract" (#1), "Kastanaras extended until 2025" (#2), "This is how Pellegrino Matarazzo is planning Kastanaras with Thomas" (#3), "Kastanaras celebrates Bundesliga debut" (#4), "Bundesliga debut: Kastanaras is said to give VfB “a lot of joy”" (#5), are just routine coverage, and does not provide significant coverage. Of the two sources mentioned by Nfitz #1-), "That's why Thomas plays Kastanaras with a hole in his shoe". He has an injury and unless someone has a crystal ball could be very serious, #2-)"VfB offspring in Marbella: This is how Egloff, Kastanaras, di Benedetto & Co.", states the subject "could soon become VfB's number two striker". He is not in the starting XI. All of these fall far short of satisfying the criteria for inclusion. In fact, aside from the subjects name and when born there is only mention of his sports accomplishments (there are other venues for resumes), that tilts the article to a pseudo biography. There is nothing to present a "full and balanced biography". -- Otr500 (talk) 21:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per lack of current WP:GNG which is likely gonna be overcome at some point in the future - WP:TOOSOON. It can be expected the subject to probably become notable anytime soon, he just isn't right now. Angelo (talk) 23:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - @Jogurney:, @Chalk19:, Besides the many sources already listed on the article and on this discussion, I found 6, 7, 8, and 9 among many many more Greek and German sources. Young player with many sources with ongoing career and already 2 appearances in the fully pro German Bundesliga, one of the top 5 leagues worldwide. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the sourcing may be on the lighter side, but it is a stretch to not see a WP:GNG pass here. The SportDay reference is pretty good, as it describes his rise through youth leagues and his commitment to Stuttgart. --Enos733 (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sterling Yatéké

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Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep per above. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - almost all of the sources above are basic transfer announcements, most regarding the same transfer. I would say that the best source is Telegram, by far. There are other small articles like Sportcom, which help us to build a biography, albeit not a hugely substantial one. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above, per sources found, per de:Sterling Yateke @GiantSnowman: Pelmeen10 posted a lot of hits there, although it's WP:ROUTINE I also feel the coverage is just a basic GNG pass. Govvy (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep not the best sourcing, but it's just enough for notability with the additional sourcing given above. Oaktree b (talk) 13:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

András Burics

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Based on Google News and DDG, looks to fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC comprehensively. Best sources are HAON, which confirms that he is a defensive midfielder and that he is going on a loan, Nemzeti Sport, which is just a list of transfers/loans, and Rangadó 24, which mentions him twice in passing, regarding being released from a club - Kazincbarcikai SC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better than anything that I found but the issue with Q&A articles like this is that they contain little that we can build a meaningful biography from. Burics' views on a match or series of matches doesn't mean much to an encyclopaedia reader. I can't think of any good reason as to why they'd use that ghastly font colour either. I had to drag my mouse over the text just to read the cursed thing! So much for trying to make semi-pro Hungarian football accessible! Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - There is no significant coverage in reliable sources (the interview is a primary source with nearly zero independent coverage). Fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - interviews can't be counted as WP:RS, as they are not independent secondary sources. Angelo (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per Ortizesp and Nfitz. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A basic Q&A with zero independent analysis does not confer notability Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wasan Samarnsin

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Article created after playing 9 mins of professional football 7 years ago. Searches in Thai yielded a reasonable number of hits but nothing that seems to demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. The best ones that I could find were Thsport, a basic transfer announcement, Ballthai, which is mainly copied from a fan site and Samarnsin's Facebook page, and Ballthai 2, which confirms that he was man of the match in a semi-pro third tier game. This is not a notable enough achievement for a stand-alone article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The transfer coverage in SMM Sport[38] and SuperSub Thailand[39] do profile his career in a bit more detail (born 1992 in Rayong, plays midfield, became noticed from Assumption College Thonburi school team, joined Muang Thong Utd Academy, loaned to Phuket (2013), Nonthaburi (2014), Air Force (2015), joined Muang Thong's senior team in the 2016 season, first match on 20 August, loaned to Nakhon Pathom following year, transferred to Army Utd in 2018, Customs in 2020, Songkhla in 2021). Not sure if that counts as in-depth. Pinging GiantSnowman per request. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In my view, these are just a prose version of the data listed on his Transfermarkt profile, which has his DOB, birthplace and history of loans and transfers on there. In fact, it's entirely possible that the SMM and SuperSub sources themselves might even be derived from looking at the database websites that feature this footballer. If it elaborated on his career a bit more in either article, then I'd be tempted to change my mind about the AfD but, as it's generally expected for transfer announcements to list former clubs of the player, I don't think we need a Wikipedia article for every footballer that has this type of coverage, otherwise we'll have an article on almost every single footballer that transfers between pro or semi-pro clubs and, in my view, the bar for notability would be too low. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We also dismissed similar coverage at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yannasit Sukchareon although I appreciate that there wasn't huge participation. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SMM and SuperSub sources are from local teams and local media. There is no way they get news from German website. SMM was even a public listed company under ticker name SMM until it made a backdoor listing deal with STARK. Other than sports, SMM is also a major manga publisher in Thailand [40]. SuperSub is just an online sport news website. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Thanks for that, I've now struck the offending statement. My point still stands regarding the depth of the coverage, though, and that it doesn't go beyond what a typical database site would say about a footballer, even though it does it using prose rather than tables and stats. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Transfer news is by its very nature non-significant. GiantSnowman 15:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Three relistings and opinions are divided between Keep and Draftify. As a closer, I can't act on my own point of view so my only option is to close this as No consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ma Yexin

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Fails WP:NTENNIS and WP:GNG. ITF W40 titles are not of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS#4. They only have $40,000 in total prize money [41] while NTENNIS requires at least $50,000. A GNG search brought up nothing close to significant coverage either. Iffy★Chat -- 13:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The only half-decent looking source I have been able to find (after searching in Chinese her doubles partner's name and the city they won the tournament in) is [42]. Unfortunately my knowledge of Chinese sources is not great, so I have no idea if this article is any better than a routine match report. Everything else I found using her Chinese name (马烨欣 according to the source) is a passing mention at best. Iffy★Chat -- 14:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Iffy. Doesn't meet WP:NTENNIS or WP:GNG and all sources are passing mentions involving tennis results. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. Player has just entered another W40 final, which shows her potential of winning more titles. If you still aren't quite sure about the article's notability (as per Iffy), please draftify it and bring it back in the future. More reliable sources can be added after it is draftified. Timothytyy (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • For everyone's information she just won a W40 again. Timothytyy (talk) 13:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep [43][44][45] and also maybe [46] are probably enough for notability. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. per sources provided by filelakeshoe.`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 06:37, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - This could be deleted but I agree the player shows a lot of potential. In a draft space it can be worked till "if/when" they meet Wikiproject Tennis guidelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The article already meets WP:GNG given the multiple reliable sources. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The RS have to each contain SIGCOV to count towards GNG. Merely being verifiable is irrelevant to notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable player according to sources. Vecihi91 (talk) 18:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. For a sportsperson bio to exist in mainspace in the first place it must meet GNG and cite at least one GNG source in the article. This has not been achieved for this subject. JoelleJay (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:GNG given number of sources. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Stopasianhate, number of RS has zero bearing on GNG (outside of the requirement for "multiple"). Which sources provide SIGCOV of the subject? JoelleJay (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben Wyatt

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No evidence found of notability, no independent indepth reliable sources about the player (just database entries) Fram (talk) 08:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I couldn't find any significant coverage so he fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Draftifying implies SIGCOV exists or will exist in the near future, and I don't see evidence for presuming all EFL2 players receive SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ayo Lekuti

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No evidence found of any notability, just databases and sources which aren't independent (e.g. from the team) Fram (talk) 08:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No traces of GNG coverage. Why would we expect him to be notable in the near future? JoelleJay (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quite often, young players that debut are on an upward trajectory. There are, of course, plenty that play a game or two then disappear, as we both know. If the subject does become notable in the near future, it would be easier to update the draft than to create something from scratch or ask the deleting admin to restore to user space or equivalent. I'm not too fussed either way as I accept that the subject isn't notable so deletion is not unreasonable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Smith-Howes

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No evidence of any notability, only independent source is one line in a local newspaper, and nothing better (or much at all) found online. Fram (talk) 08:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. Google News just has match reports from his club. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If SIGCOV eventually appears, the article can be recreated; it's not like this stub is more than an easily-copyable template anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. The discussion hinges on whether or not there is significant coverage of the topic. I find no consensus on this point, hence no consensus in the deletion discussion. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 04:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyme Lulaj

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Fails WP:GNG Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - I think the characterisation of the Dritare source as "bloggy" is a bit harsh! It's listed at List of newspapers in Albania as an online news portal and when I googled it there was various Linkedin pages for its journalists, so it's run to professional standards. Cielquiparle is right that some editors do try to disallow interviews but that's always been bunkum, frankly. I'm not too sure why the TV interview source is being discounted either? Looks okay coverage to me, albeit I dunno exactly what's being said. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 14:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds good to me! Cielquiparle (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Interviews that don't provide any significant secondary independent commentary cannot be used for GNG. The Panorama Sport interview only has around 3 brief sentences by the interviewer, so Red XN. The TV interview has a little discussion outside the interview, but I don't speak Albanian so other than picking up a couple "Cyme"s (and "30 Seconds to Mars"...) it's hard to gauge how much is secondary direct coverage of Lulaj versus primary comments or focused on the other players. The fact that she was interviewed at all has zero bearing on notability as it is not a criterion of ANYBIO or GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - that's 2 paragraphs or more in 2 reputable Albanian-language news sources plus a TV interview, good enough for me. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify or redirect. There is one marginal source (Dratire) but GNG requires multiple pieces of SIRS SIGCOV, and I am not finding this for Lulaj. JoelleJay (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify - The Dritare source is quite good, although I agree that it's probably not enough by itself to meet the GNG. Let's see if an editor can find something more to bring it up to our notability standards. Jogurney (talk) 18:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't consider "fails WP:GNG" with no further explanation to be a valid reason for deletion. Partofthemachine (talk) 22:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per lack of established WP:SIGCOV - one, two or a mere handful aren't just enough imho. Angelo (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Petrovic (extreme athlete)

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Article created by a blocked sock; I find no coverage for this individual and I'm thinking the "awards" won are not notable. There is a similar person that's head of the basketball federation in Serbia, who isn't this person. Oaktree b (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. No SIGCOV in any quality RS outside of niche blogs. Definitely also a paid-for article. This will need SALT I suspect. 31.187.2.233 (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No reliable sources on google, most results are stats.`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 05:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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