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The result was redirect to Sailing at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Dragon. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Auguste Galeyn

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A Lugnuts sporting substub. A one-time olympian who placed 17th in sailing. BrigadierG (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sailing at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Dragon as I couldn't find evidence of notability. Could also be redirected to Belgium at the 1952 Summer Olympics but he isn't mentioned there. Suonii180 (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sailing at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Dragon as a good alternative to deletion. That's the clear target since the subject is named there. No evidence of notability. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Kreh

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Nominator's rationale: No evidence that this person was notable or was their disappearance. I also can't find any additional coverage about this person, and their article is just a mere stub as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:25, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless somebody can find significant coverage of this person in independent, reliable sources. His canoing accomplishments fail to establish notability and the anecdote about his disappearance is unreferenced. I completed a good faith Google search and found nothing about this person, although a few other people share his name. Cullen328 (talk) 07:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of notability, lack of sources. --(loopback) ping/whereis 08:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Biography with no reliable source to proof passage --Doctorlimp (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Armando Bashhysa

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As playing in an WP:FPL is no longer relevant in terms of notability, I can't see a reason to keep this article. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. No hits in Google News or ProQuest. A search in DDG yields only database sites and Wikipedia mirrors. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Angelo (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zineddine Debieb

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sid Ali Ammoura

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:50, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; I can only find routine stuff like this 2014 transfer announcement. Jogurney (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Salim Baroudi

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ouissam Mokrane

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nacereddine Bacha

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Benaissa (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Habib Hacene

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Zerroukhat

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: unable to find sources to suggest subject is notable. Please ping me if sources are found. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Farès Boudemagh

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The "keeps" are largely based on the slew of references provided early on in the discussion; however, nobody arguing to keep has presented evidence here as to how these sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. The argument that interviews are admissible is an oversimplification; interviews may count toward GNG when they have intellectually independent content; that has not been demonstrated here. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Belkacem Niati

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16, among many many more French sources. There are definitely Arabic sources as well. Clearly significant figure in local Algerian football with over 100+ appeanrces in the fully pro Algerian top flight as well as a 2017-18 Algerian Cup winner. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, can you improve the article in this case? Currently it seems his achievement is 24 apps is Ligue2. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to soccerway.com, Niati played for CR Belouizdad during the 2016–17 season, but he did not appear for the club in any cup matches for which they have records (round of 16 or later), so it's hardly accurate to say he was a cup winner (even accounting for the fact you cited the wrong season). Jogurney (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 20:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG. The refbombing above has no significant coverage of Niati. Dougal18 (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources by Das osmnezz.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Can we please ban Dasosmnezz from refbombing AfDs? These source lists he produces are always majority composed of exactly the types of sources he personally has seen rejected in dozens of footballer AfDs (Q&A interviews, routine transactional announcements, non-independent profiles), so even if on rare occasions there is a piece of SIRS SIGCOV, other editors are still forced to wade through and analyze a bunch of junk at every single AfD.

3, competition.dz is a Q&A interview:

. 4, lexpressiondz.com is another Q&A interview:

. 5, lebuteur.com via djazairess.com is a routine press release with no SIGCOV:

. 6, elwatan.com is a handful of sentences reporting contract negotiations:

. 7, lebuteur.com is details on an earlier transfer dispute that offer slightly more coverage but are more about administrative issues than Niati himself:

. 8, dknews-dz.com is a routine transactional announcement:

. 9, depechedekabylie.com has almost zero independent info on Niati as it is about the coach/management's response to player strikes in general:

. 10 is another Q&A from the same outlet as 3:

. 11 is a Q&A from the same outlet as 9:

. 12 is a reprint of a very brief Q&A from outlet #7 hosted by outlet #5:

. 11 is a post-game Q&A by outlet #7:

. 12 from outlet #3 is a bare quote by Niati followed by general updates on JSMB that do not contain SIGCOV of Niati:

. 14 is another Q&A from outlet #11:

. 15, presse-algerie.net is entirely quotes from Niati:

. JoelleJay (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Q&A interviews are admissible for GNG AFAIK.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By "Q&A interviews" I am referring to those that provide little to no independent commentary by the interviewer. These absolutely do not contribute to GNG as they are primary and violate OR. All of Niati's interviews are of the useless Q&A format and so cannot count towards notability. JoelleJay (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

they don't count for GNG, they can be used to hang additional facts on the main article tree, but they don't support the tree themselves. Oaktree b (talk) 02:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG per above refs.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - Although Niati had a pretty full career playing football in the Algerian top division, I can't see any coverage that rises to the level of WP:SIGCOV. Most third party coverage focuses on two contract disputes (in 2015 and 2019) rather than detailing his career or achievements (This Algerian football magazine dedicates a single paragraph to the 2015 transfer dispute). There is plenty of superficial coverage (noted above) that doesn't discuss his career but rather focuses on a single upcoming or completed match or team training. None of this suggests WP:GNG could be met. If someone can find older (pre-2015) editions of Journal Maracana online, perhaps we would find more in depth coverage of his career there, but for now it's just wishful thinking. Jogurney (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, issuu.com has a search function and it's fairly easy to find older editions of Journal Maracana there. The coverage is generally routine from what I found (This post-match interview is representative). I'm not finding anything to change my mind. Jogurney (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep above refs are sufficient to pass GNG. I disagree with some of JoelleJay's assessment, particularly dismissing sources that include Q&A interviews along with some additional content. Frank Anchor 20:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Frank Anchor, what "additional content"? None of those sources contain sufficient independent, secondary commentary by the interviewers to count towards even BASIC, and certainly none of them meet NSPORT's strict requirements for a full GNG source, which has still not been identified:

3: JSMB midfielder Belkacem Niati has returned to his old team, after successfully achieving the goal of joining CABBA. Being among the last elements to have joined the workforce ... Docked during the resumption session on Wednesday afternoon, the middle of the JSMB returned to the Hammam Bourguiba course and the preparation that the players have made so far.

4: The master of the band in Bouakkez, Belkacem Nitai, who has already won this cup with the CRB...

10: Niati Belkacem, with his experience, goes in this direction by declaring that we will have to be patient and wait a few games, before being able to judge the team.

11: The CABBA defector, Belkacem Niati, had a first-class game against the RCK. Moreover, he was behind the penalty obtained in the last minutes of the match, giving the victory for the JSMB.

12: Against the USMBA, Belkacim Niati scored his eighth goal of the season, making him his team's best scorer this season.

13: The midfielder of JSM Béjaïa, Belkacem Niati, was angry at the end of the match which opposed his team to CR Belouizdad, yesterday, after the defeat (2-0) but especially the goal disallowed by the referee who played in favor of the Algiers. (This is really primary/non-indy as it is stating Niati's feelings rather than offering the author's analysis; at any rate, it's not encyclopedic content anyway.)

14: The technical staff of the JSMB will certainly rely on key elements such as midfielder Belkacem Niati to win the big derby the day after tomorrow against the MOB. JoelleJay (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My interpretation is that relevant content summarizing the interviews, however brief, is enough to get this particular topic past GNG. Especially when there are so many sources covering different aspects of the subject in this way. Frank Anchor 13:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Frank Anchor, as an interviewee's responses are indisputably primary and non-independent, they cannot contribute to notability, and per WP:PRIMARY only very basic info from them is permitted in a wikipedia article. This is outlined further in WP:OR, which includes interviews among several examples of primary documents. This has been affirmed in numerous biography AfDs:
This close statement: The result was delete. Interviews are primary sources so the delete argument is the policy based one.

AfD nominations by admins
here: This article on a tattoo artist is sourced mainly from interviews. Being primary sources, they don't help us establish his notability. (A !voter further states The interview in the magazine - can't assess it.... So even if the [interview] contains a lot of independent information (doubt it plus a niche source), Rojas would not pass the WP:GNG based on what I found.)

here: WP:BLP of a radio personality and podcaster, referenced entirely to WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and Q&A interviews that cannot support notability

and here: There are interviews, and a number of performance listings but nothing independent

Deletion rationales
here: So far I am seeing numerous interviews but little in the way of WP:SECONDARY sources.... I would like to see pretty much any of the people voting Keep put forth WP:THREE best sources (that aren't interviews) to demonstrate that this article is unequivocally notable beyond a shadow of a doubt.

source analysis here

discussion here: The first and third links are short, primary source interviews. The second link is kind of nothing. Please have a look at secondary sources.

here: I disagree with the statement "...sources are in depth, reliable and independent. That a quote comes from her father doesn't make the source doing the quoting "not independent" in any way". The quote comes from Reem ("according to Reem...") -- this is the definition of a non-independent source. Interviews in general are not SIGCOV sources for the purpose of establishing notability.

here: The Ynaija interview only quotes Mr. Israel and does not add any independent research. As such it is effectively a self-published source and not verifiable.

see also here, here, and here. JoelleJay (talk) 18:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources are brief mentions and he had a brief, brief career. Perhaps a redirect to the club? If this was an MLB player, I'd perhaps redirect to the 2016-2017 season for that ball club, but this soccer team doesn't have such extensive season articles. Oaktree b (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He definitely did not have a "brief, brief career", he had over 160+ appeanrces in the fully pro Algerian top flight/second tier and was a 2017-18 Algerian Cup winner (see 17). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - blatant failure of WP:GNG and anything else related. Those "sources" are just passing references and are not WP:RS at all: I can't stop reminding you all that quality is far more important than quantity when we talk about sources. Angelo (talk) 23:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Walid Ferhat

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Fails WP:GNG Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdelkader Bakhti

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mahfoud Bouabdallah

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sidi Mohamed Maroufel

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2010–11 Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 2: not enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why, when he has played in multiple seasons? Giant Snowman 20:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, as there isn't a suitable redirect. JoelleJay (talk) 17:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:GNG failure. Redirecting is not appropriate as the subject is not mentioned at the suggested target and because he was active for multiple seasons and for multiple clubs so it's not a case where there is one obvious target. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; no WP:SIGCOV available. Jogurney (talk) 19:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Verona Berisha

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 07:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Angelo (talk) 09:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agnesa Gashi

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 07:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ramzi Louanas

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:36, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Gonzalez (soccer)

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Semi-pro that does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The spotlight on reference is not independent as it's published by the club that he plays for. The best sources that I found were The West, Sydney Morning Herald and My Football, all of which only mention Gonzalez once. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom - fails WP:SIGCOV. Angelo (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: References aren't independent of the subject (except for the last one which doesn't even mention the subject). Fails WP:GNG - GA Melbourne (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Molnar

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Can't find anything towards WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG, his one game in an WP:FPL is no longer relevant. Best I can find is a passing mention in Nemzeti Sport, also derived from a Facebook post, Sport 24, which mentions him only once, and Sport.ua, which mentions him being a defender and having played 17 youth matches. Sport.ua is the best source but it's not good enough for SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, looks like there's significant coverage on the Ukrainian wikipage.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - did you check the sources individually? It's a classic WP:REFBOMB. Please confirm which of the below sources show WP:SIGCOV: Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
http://fcgoverla.uz.ua/index.php?page=interview&id=603	The website for FC Hoverla Uzhhorod, a club that he played for		Mentioned twice only	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20130622211012/http://time-football.com/news-111810-vorskla-goverla-razgrom-i-otstavka-sevidova/			Says he made his debut, not mentioned again in text	✘ No
http://fcgoverla.uz.ua/index.php?page=news&id=1247	The website for FC Hoverla Uzhhorod, a club that he played for		Mentioned 3 times, all of which are just lists of footballers. Molnár is not addressed directly.	✘ No
https://sport.ua/news/245258-ukraintsy-v-belarusi-polniy-trofeyniy-boekomplekt			Mentioned once	✘ No
https://sport.24tv.ua/viktor-tsigankov-mozhe-pokinuti-dinamo-chomu-futbolist-propustiv_n2235998			Can't see any mention of him	✘ No
https://www.ffu.org.ua/eng/tournaments/prof/51403/	?	?	? Dead link - looks like a tournament page	? Unknown
https://int.soccerway.com/players/-/260213/			Soccerway is a database	✘ No
https://www.transfermarkt.com/robert-molnar/profil/spieler/271435		WP:TRANSFERMARKT	Database	✘ No
https://www.playmakerstats.com/player.php?id=282945			Database	✘ No
http://www.allplayers.in.ua/ua/player/3461			Database	✘ No
https://footballfacts.ru/person/167907			Database	✘ No
https://www.soccerpunter.com/players/260213-R%c3%b3bert-Moln%c3%a1r			Database	✘ No
https://www.footballdatabase.eu/fr/joueur/details/203673-robert-molnar			Database	✘ No
http://www.hlsz.hu/1991-06-24/molnar-robert.html			Database	✘ No
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Delete clear fail of GNG Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 07:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC per nom's analysis. Existing sources are non-SIGCOV mentions or databases, I could not locate additional significant coverage in reliable independent sources per my WP:BEFORE. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 00:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Al-Muqaitib

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BLP with no acceptable sources. Best sources I can find are Ar Riyadiyah, which mentions him once, Time Kora, which looks like a blog, contains no in-depth coverage and is referenced to a Twitter page, Al Fiha, which is a basic transfer announcement that merely states his year of birth, position and length of contract and Al-Jazirah, which has only one sentence about him, confirming that he has signed a three-year contract. None of the above meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC.

Furthermore, the article was created by a block-evading sock and has been edited by two more confirmed socks in Lilianasri and Gulfup. Some IP edits mean that this is ineligible for WP:G5 but the socking is still worth mentioning. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jujiro Tanaka

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He competed at the 1968 Summer Olympics but did not win a medal and a WP:BEFORE search didn't find anything else significant although there could be sources in Japanese that I didn't find. Could be redirected to Rowing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Men's eight or Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics. Suonii180 (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd tend to support a redirect here - to either option put forward by the nominator. There's a chance more information comes up in Japanese language sources and this way we preserve the history and attribution for the page. I probably have a slightl preference for Japan at the 1968 Summer Olympics as the redirect target, but only very slight. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom and Blue Square. I had a quick look and couldn't find any sources in Japanese online, though I may have missed something. — Jumbo T (talk) 13:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the team, he's not notable on his own. --Fulmard (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iestyn Evans

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Potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC due to lack of detailed coverage from independent sources. In my searches, the best that I can find is South Wales Argus, which mentions him only once. This club website mentions him being sent off in a match but this is routine game coverage and SPORTBASIC states team sites are generally not regarded as independent of the subject. I found plenty of hits on ProQuest but none seem to be relevant. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - this is the first deletion nomination for this particular 'Iestyn Evans'. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, as always, Spiderone clearly does the homework and is incredibly reliable at AfD. Govvy (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. I see no consensus here as there is a fundamental disagreement on whether or not sources available establish GNG. I don't think a second relisting will resolve this divide. I feel like there is another AFD in this article's future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Kastanaras

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Fails WP:NBASIC. Ref 1 is an one-paragraph announcement, ref 2 is a routine announcement primarily quotes, ref 3 appears to also be routine sport coverage, having only three short paragraphs, mostly quotes, ref 4 is a five-sentence announcement, whereas ref 5 is slightly longer, but also leans on the routine side, mainly mentioning stats and injuries, and is debatably non-trivial. My WP:BEFORE found sources such as interview, mention, and short/routine coverage, e.g., 1, 2, 3, but I don't think they meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. My search for the Greek name didn't find much meeting SIGCOV as well, so I purpose a redirect to VfB Stuttgart (please ping me if more substantial coverage are found).

The notability of this has been discussed at User talk:Ortizesp#Thomas Kastanaras and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User_turns_articles_into_redirects_without_any_discussion regarding a draftification by Onel5969. I've pinged Hannelsen, Lee Vilenski, BusterD, Amakuru, and Ortizesp who were involved in these discussions. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes GNG, coverage is beyond basic with biographical information, enough to write a legitimate article. Sources are significant, primary and independent of the subject.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't believe we're all looking at the same five sources and same BEFORE. None of the five applied sources directly details anything other than the routine sports news associated with specific events and contract negotiations. The subject is inarguably verified. I just don't see any compelling case made or proven that the subject is any more notable than any other paid teen-aged football player. The subject fails significant coverage at GNG and in no way meets SPORTSBASIC. This is a redlink on a team template and as such doesn't in any way constitute a compelling need to violate BLP. BusterD (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - clearly none of the sources is anything but routine sports coverage. Fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~, per the nom's well-reasoned argument and extensive BEFORE. The sources are the same kind of UNDUE routine transactional coverage rejected in dozens of AfDs; at this point it should be clear they are not acceptable for SPORTBASIC and it's disruptive for editors to keep insisting they're SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 06:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to Draftify, as I didn't read the dates of the sources till now. The coverage is still mostly non-encyclopedic and marginal, but as there is the potential for SIGCOV in the near future I think it's appropriate to draftify. JoelleJay (talk) 22:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to VfB Stuttgart - While I disagree with the characterization of the Stuttgarter Nachricten article (it is brief but not "routine"), I agree that there is not enough online German-language coverage to meet WP:GNG. He's only played a handful of minutes in the Bundesliga, so it's hardly surprising that the coverage isn't there yet - it's just WP:TOOSOON. Jogurney (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the sourcing is sufficient to meet GNG IMHO. Giant Snowman 20:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the references in the article are a bit thin - but here's another couple from last week. one and two. Nfitz (talk) 18:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What's on the article seems okay to start with and there is more online which to me feels like a perfectly valid article that passes what I believe as basic GNG. As always, I fail to understand why delete voters never support drafting an article. Govvy (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said in my nomination statement, it has already been draftified twice (1, 2) and contested, so AfD is the next step for this article. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which source passes SPORTSBASIC? JoelleJay (talk) 22:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless one of the applied sources offers significant coverage (and none of the seven presented so far do), this still fails SPORTSBASIC which requires at least one significant coverage source. BusterD (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:RS. NYC Guru (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is just clarifying that I do agree that some of these sources meet the reliable sources guideline. Instead, my subjective concern is that significant coverage isn't satisfied, which other editors of course respectfully disagree with (which I appreciate as it's great in building a consensus). Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep scrapes through WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can someone please point out which source actually satisfies SPORTSCRIT? Handwaving at "GNG" is meaningless if there isn't a specific source identified. JoelleJay (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some that others have suggested are STN, ZVW and Fussball Transfers Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not in-depth coverage, just routine. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NBASIC as likely WP:TOOSOON. Trivial coverage does not advance notability. Not opposed to Redirect to VfB Stuttgart as an ATD. Sources that mention things like the subject "receives a professional contract" (#1), "Kastanaras extended until 2025" (#2), "This is how Pellegrino Matarazzo is planning Kastanaras with Thomas" (#3), "Kastanaras celebrates Bundesliga debut" (#4), "Bundesliga debut: Kastanaras is said to give VfB “a lot of joy”" (#5), are just routine coverage, and does not provide significant coverage. Of the two sources mentioned by Nfitz #1-), "That's why Thomas plays Kastanaras with a hole in his shoe". He has an injury and unless someone has a crystal ball could be very serious, #2-)"VfB offspring in Marbella: This is how Egloff, Kastanaras, di Benedetto & Co.", states the subject "could soon become VfB's number two striker". He is not in the starting XI. All of these fall far short of satisfying the criteria for inclusion. In fact, aside from the subjects name and when born there is only mention of his sports accomplishments (there are other venues for resumes), that tilts the article to a pseudo biography. There is nothing to present a "full and balanced biography". -- Otr500 (talk) 21:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per lack of current WP:GNG which is likely gonna be overcome at some point in the future - WP:TOOSOON. It can be expected the subject to probably become notable anytime soon, he just isn't right now. Angelo (talk) 23:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Jogurney:, @Chalk19:, Besides the many sources already listed on the article and on this discussion, I found 6, 7, 8, and 9 among many many more Greek and German sources. Young player with many sources with ongoing career and already 2 appearances in the fully pro German Bundesliga, one of the top 5 leagues worldwide. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sourcing may be on the lighter side, but it is a stretch to not see a WP:GNG pass here. The SportDay reference is pretty good, as it describes his rise through youth leagues and his commitment to Stuttgart. --Enos733 (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sterling Yatéké

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Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:43, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keep per above. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - almost all of the sources above are basic transfer announcements, most regarding the same transfer. I would say that the best source is Telegram, by far. There are other small articles like Sportcom, which help us to build a biography, albeit not a hugely substantial one. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, per sources found, per de:Sterling Yateke @GiantSnowman: Pelmeen10 posted a lot of hits there, although it's WP:ROUTINE I also feel the coverage is just a basic GNG pass. Govvy (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep not the best sourcing, but it's just enough for notability with the additional sourcing given above. Oaktree b (talk) 13:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above scrapes through WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - just about meets GNG. Giant Snowman 15:26, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Habib

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I cannot find anything about this swimmer. The COMEN Cup was a swimming event for 13-15 years old. If he was a senior national champion, maybe that makes him notable but there is no information about the particular event. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete In order to keep an article about a youth athlete, we need references to truly significant coverage in several reliable, independent sources. That is entirely lacking in this case. One source is dead, and the other source does not mention Habib. Cullen328 (talk) 04:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless additional sources can be found establishing notability. Partofthemachine (talk) 06:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

András Burics

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Based on Google News and DDG, looks to fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC comprehensively. Best sources are HAON, which confirms that he is a defensive midfielder and that he is going on a loan, Nemzeti Sport, which is just a list of transfers/loans, and Rangadó 24, which mentions him twice in passing, regarding being released from a club - Kazincbarcikai SC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 23:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - for what it's worth, I'm surprised by this in-depth interview. I'd expect more, but I'm not doing well finding anything. Nfitz (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better than anything that I found but the issue with Q&A articles like this is that they contain little that we can build a meaningful biography from. Burics' views on a match or series of matches doesn't mean much to an encyclopaedia reader. I can't think of any good reason as to why they'd use that ghastly font colour either. I had to drag my mouse over the text just to read the cursed thing! So much for trying to make semi-pro Hungarian football accessible! Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per reference above.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There is no significant coverage in reliable sources (the interview is a primary source with nearly zero independent coverage). Fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - interviews can't be counted as WP:RS, as they are not independent secondary sources. Angelo (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Ortizesp and Nfitz. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A basic Q&A with zero independent analysis does not confer notability Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Károly Bogyó

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Badly sourced BLP on a semi-pro footballer/futsal player with nothing to contribute to WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. A Hungarian source search yielded some sources which I will analyse. ZAOL mentions him once in the main text, confirming that he is the top scorer of the Western Division of the second tier of Hungarian futsal. Not much of a claim to notability there. Kanizsa Újság is a local Nagykanizsa-based paper which mentions Bogyó a few times in the match report. Zala County's Zala Sport also has some match report coverage of amateur futsal that mentions him a few times. I can't find anything better than these match reports so there is no reasonable opportunity to build a biography for Bogyó. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 23:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 23:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wasan Samarnsin

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Article created after playing 9 mins of professional football 7 years ago. Searches in Thai yielded a reasonable number of hits but nothing that seems to demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. The best ones that I could find were Thsport, a basic transfer announcement, Ballthai, which is mainly copied from a fan site and Samarnsin's Facebook page, and Ballthai 2, which confirms that he was man of the match in a semi-pro third tier game. This is not a notable enough achievement for a stand-alone article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:32, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The transfer coverage in SMM Sport[18] and SuperSub Thailand[19] do profile his career in a bit more detail (born 1992 in Rayong, plays midfield, became noticed from Assumption College Thonburi school team, joined Muang Thong Utd Academy, loaned to Phuket (2013), Nonthaburi (2014), Air Force (2015), joined Muang Thong's senior team in the 2016 season, first match on 20 August, loaned to Nakhon Pathom following year, transferred to Army Utd in 2018, Customs in 2020, Songkhla in 2021). Not sure if that counts as in-depth. Pinging GiantSnowman per request. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, these are just a prose version of the data listed on his Transfermarkt profile, which has his DOB, birthplace and history of loans and transfers on there. ~~In fact, it's entirely possible that the SMM and SuperSub sources themselves might even be derived from looking at the database websites that feature this footballer.~~ If it elaborated on his career a bit more in either article, then I'd be tempted to change my mind about the AfD but, as it's generally expected for transfer announcements to list former clubs of the player, I don't think we need a Wikipedia article for every footballer that has this type of coverage, otherwise we'll have an article on almost every single footballer that transfers between pro or semi-pro clubs and, in my view, the bar for notability would be too low. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We also dismissed similar coverage at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yannasit Sukchareon although I appreciate that there wasn't huge participation. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SMM and SuperSub sources are from local teams and local media. There is no way they get news from German website. SMM was even a public listed company under ticker name SMM until it made a backdoor listing deal with STARK. Other than sports, SMM is also a major manga publisher in Thailand [20]. SuperSub is just an online sport news website. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Thanks for that, I've now struck the offending statement. My point still stands regarding the depth of the coverage, though, and that it doesn't go beyond what a typical database site would say about a footballer, even though it does it using prose rather than tables and stats. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer news is by its very nature non-significant. Giant Snowman 15:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Most sources on google are only unreliable stats.`~HelpingWorld~`^(👽🛸) 03:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete' - fails WP:GNG Angelo (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fahad Abdullah

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Despite playing one minute or so of professional league football, doesn't seem to be notable per WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. The former guideline asks for at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources, which we do not have here. We don't even have clear confirmation of his date of birth or position. The only source I can find in Arabic searches about a footballer called 'Fahad/Fahd Abdullah' is Kooora, which has very low standards for inclusion and does not confer notability. Oppose merge/redirect due to how common his name is in the Arabic-speaking world and due to lack of an obvious target. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and only source given (and also only sources that exist) is a database. Belichickoverbrady (talk) 01:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Three relistings and opinions are divided between Keep and Draftify. As a closer, I can't act on my own point of view so my only option is to close this as No consensus. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ma Yexin

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Fails WP:NTENNIS and WP:GNG. ITF W40 titles are not of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS#4. They only have $40,000 in total prize money [21] while NTENNIS requires at least $50,000. A GNG search brought up nothing close to significant coverage either. Iffy★Chat -- 13:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The only half-decent looking source I have been able to find (after searching in Chinese her doubles partner's name and the city they won the tournament in) is [22]. Unfortunately my knowledge of Chinese sources is not great, so I have no idea if this article is any better than a routine match report. Everything else I found using her Chinese name (马烨欣 according to the source) is a passing mention at best. Iffy★Chat -- 14:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Iffy. Doesn't meet WP:NTENNIS or WP:GNG and all sources are passing mentions involving tennis results. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Player has just entered another W40 final, which shows her potential of winning more titles. If you still aren't quite sure about the article's notability (as per Iffy), please draftify it and bring it back in the future. More reliable sources can be added after it is draftified. Timothytyy (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- For everyone's information she just won a W40 again. Timothytyy (talk) 13:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep [23][24][25] and also maybe [26] are probably enough for notability. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. per sources provided by filelakeshoe.`~HelpingWorld~`^(👽🛸) 06:37, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - This could be deleted but I agree the player shows a lot of potential. In a draft space it can be worked till "if/when" they meet Wikiproject Tennis guidelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article already meets WP:GNG given the multiple reliable sources. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The RS have to each contain SIGCOV to count towards GNG. Merely being verifiable is irrelevant to notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable player according to sources. Vecihi91 (talk) 18:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. For a sportsperson bio to exist in mainspace in the first place it must meet GNG and cite at least one GNG source in the article. This has not been achieved for this subject. JoelleJay (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:GNG given number of sources. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stopasianhate, number of RS has zero bearing on GNG (outside of the requirement for "multiple"). Which sources provide SIGCOV of the subject? JoelleJay (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yevgeny Fomin

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Footballer had very brief professional career but has spent most of his career as a semi-pro with seemingly little coverage. The Belarusian Wikipedia article has some sources but they fail to show WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Pressball is a trivial mention in a quote from his coach. Football 1 is a brief transfer announcement, which appears to be sourced to his club's website. In any case, the coverage is too weak for GNG. Football 2 is sourced to Twitter and is only routine sports coverage. In my own searches in Russian and Belarusian, all I can find is Sportnaviny, another very brief transfer announcement, and some Wikipedia mirrors. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I wasn't able to find anything substantial. Perhaps TOOSOON. Mujinga (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zin Phyo Aung

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Can't find anything better than just a trivial mention so doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC despite having some involvement with the national team. No hits in Burmese in Google News and the English results show only trivial mentions.

Three sources are currently cited, one of which is Facebook. The other two sources are a very brief injury announcement and the other is a one-sentence squad announcement. More recently, Myanmar Digital Newspaper mentions him once and Duwun says he was removed from his club's squad for 'breaking the rules' but doesn't elaborate on that at all. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 07:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 _{(HAPPY 2023)} 07:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

William (footballer, born 1982)

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~~The subject does not meet Wikipedia notability standards based on the cited references. If there are other opinions, please share here.JRed176 (talk) 21:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)~~ - WP:SOCKSTRIKE - Beccaynr (talk) 01:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Just because the article is a stub doesn't mean this isn't a notable footballer, he played fully professional football for a few Portuguese Premier League clubs including F.C. Paços de Ferreira. soccerway stats. Sources should be there for this, a guy with this kind of career should have sources. I see it stats on soccerway he won the Copa Rio, looks like a smaller tournament, sources for that? I was having a look, it does seem tough to find sources know. Govvy (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. I agree there should be sources, but I can't find any. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: searched his full name and found something of a scandal around his signing with FC Anzhi Makhachkala [27] [28]. "Anzhi Makhachkala's Europa League bonuses at risk over William transfer" - Anzhi's conduct in signing Brazilian forward William Arthur Conceicao dos Santos in April 2010 was "unethical and unlawful," Onsoccer director Antonio Araujo said in a written statement to the Associated Press. William spent less than one month as an Anzhi player before returning to Portugal when officials ordered him from the team hotel in Moscow at 3 a.m. before a match, according to a ruling when CAS first judged the dispute last year. "We had no other choice than (recourse) to the Swiss courts in order to freeze the monies that Anzhi is entitled to receive from UEFA, via the Russian Football Association," Araujo said. Also about (not) joining Romanian Astra Ploiesti [29] [30]. Also found some more mentions with other teammates. No idea whats this about: [31] I'm sure there's more sources and offline ones too. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think there's enough for me to keep, but with the nominator being a sock I cannot support deletion anymore either. Giant Snowman 19:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per above, mostly about the Anzhi case. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the Anzhi references provide GNG. But also, this should be a procedural keep because it was nominated by a Sock. Nfitz (talk) 18:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should not entertain nominations started by socks and therefore close this. If someone in good standing opens up a 2nd nomination following a WP:BEFORE, that should be permitted. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't think that we can close this early because the editor made this nomination before being blocked, obviously. Therefore it can't be speedily ended (this is my interpretation of this. We must wait until it's been 7 days since the nomination was made. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:58, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Anzhi reference.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 10:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Burton

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No evidence of any notability. First reference is a self-published book by the article creator, second are some statistics. No better sources found in GBooks or regular Google[32]. Fram (talk) 08:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Agreed that there is no evidence of notability, at least not that can be found online. I agree that the self-published book is not significant coverage, not because it was published by the article creator but moreso because he actually isn't in the book. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Fram (talk) 08:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Very easy call. No evidence of notability anywhere to be found. A self published book doesn’t count. Go4thProsper (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not able to find any sources or coverage with reliability. JojoMN1987 (talk) 13:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This rider rode at the highest level in British Speedway (British League) for multiple teams. There are dozens of riders with wikipedia entries that have only rode at the second tier level of the time (National League) and it would be churlish to delete just one entry when a very informative set of biographies is being created for what historically was one of the most popular spectator sports in the UK. The references are not great, agreed, prefer to flag the article to find better references than delete it (talk) 17:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't a good reason to keep an article. All the other users involved in the discussion so far have failed to find any sources to support notability. If you think there are sources out there that we four have somehow missed, please provide evidence of that. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 06:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 5225c. No prejudice against recreation if offline sources can be found. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 16:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tibor Berak

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Fails WP:GNG. Not even a match in the top division. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable (yet) for the purposes of an article.JRed176 (talk) 21:32, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Ilić (footballer, born 1999)

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Fails WP:GNG. Not even a match at the top division. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unless more can be found that weights against the absence of notability. Granted, it's a stub. Is there a Wikipedia article about the person in another language? I could not find it. JRed176 (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nope, this doesn't pass WP:GNG. Searches across Google and the Wikipedia Library points instead to Marko Ilić (footballer, born 1998). Search in Serbian doesn't change the result, either. Regardless, what's with the mirrored-Wikipedia websites, anyway? Coincidence? Sarrail talk 23:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Jakovljević

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Fails WP:GNG. Only 1 game in Serbian top division. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no tangible evidence of notability JRed176 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC) - WP:SOCKSTRIKE - Beccaynr (talk) 01:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I found a passing mention in Dnevnik but nothing else other than a few articles published by his football club, which is not an independent source. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Bojović

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Fails WP:GNG. No matches in top division. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - best sources I can find are Republika, which mentions him once, and FK Radnicki, which also mentions him just the once. Both sources discuss the same event, him getting injured during a match. This is not a hugely notable event in itself and there is no indication that we require a stand-alone article here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Janković (footballer, born 1996)

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I would agree with Pelmeen, does not satisfy WP:GNG maybe in a few years? Though I'm sure there are a few fans that would disagree.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Filip Đurović

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Fails WP:GNG. Problems with sources (possibly confusing different players) starting from birth date to the actual career. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Đorđe Milojević

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Fails WP:GNG. No matches in top division. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of clear notability JRed176 (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC) - WP:SOCKSTRIKE - Beccaynr (talk) 01:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note - given subject non english language sources are likely - I did a search and was unable to find en sources but that does not mean they don't exist -- Tawker (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Cella

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Fails WP:NMMA. His highest ranking by Fight Matrix was 199th in the world light heavyweight rankings. Subject has also not appeared in a Sherdog top 10 ranking. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 22:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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::* Keep. The fight ranking of the subject is not as relevant as the veracity of the citations. It's verifiable that the person is a successful professional mixed martial artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JRed176 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC) - WP:SOCKSTRIKE Beccaynr (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter at all that information is verifiable; NSPORT requires the subject to have received SIGCOV in secondary independent RS, which has so far been lacking. JoelleJay (talk) 20:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JRed176: What citations verify that the subject is "successful"? I verified he failed WP:NMMA based on his inability to meet top the 10 rankings required, and the only two citations in the article that aren't databases, are about him being knocked out cold by Uriah Hall. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 18:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is the fight record on the right side not accurate? JRed176 (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JRed176: His record is 9 wins and 9 losses, with only one victory in a notable promotion. How is that an indication of being successful? ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 18:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If he were a baseball player, batting 500 would be stellar. It is not a losing record. Does Wikipedia only grant notability to those with winning records? I don't believe so and there was the one notable victory. I wouldn't say the subject is unsuccessful overall. What is more, it is not a final record. He is still competing. JRed176 (talk) 18:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Success is not a criteria for WP articles. As a new user you might want to check WP:GNG, WP:N, and WP:RS to learn more about how WP works. Papaursa (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He fails to meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters and lacks the significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Databases do not show notability. Since he hasn't fought since 2018, I strongly doubt he's still active and is even more unlikely to improve his MMA notability status. Papaursa (talk) 04:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NMMA and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

La Min Htwe

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Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO standards for notability. Delete as per WP:NOTDATABASE. All sources cited currently are primary sources or databases and article as been blanked and redirected several times, but no improvement or new sources have been added in attempts to revert. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 21:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I believe this fails notability WP:GNG

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Taung Tan (talk) 12:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not notable enough at present JRed176 (talk) 21:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom. 1AmNobody24 (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SNOW and WP:TOOSOON (he has yet to play a national game). Bearian (talk) 15:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Pavlović

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Fails WP:GNG, zero prose or sources of any kind, only sourced to WorldFootball database profile Snowflake91 (talk) 10:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - best I can find is Siol and RTVSLO, neither of which confer any notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) WJ94 (talk) 10:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Sampson

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He competed at the 1972 Olympics but did not rank high enough to win a medal and I couldn't find other significant competitions that he had participated in. Could be redirected to Archery at the 1972 Summer Olympics – Men's individual. Suonii180 (talk) 10:09, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Redirect~~ I think, unless editors such as Paora can find any additional sources? There are a few sources out there and a hint that there's probably coverage in paper-based news media sources (at least one photo with caption that's clearly from a newspaper). The difficulty will be accessing those sources as they're unlikely to have been digitised. Redirection could either be to the event or to New Zealand at the 1972 Summer Olympics - I think I'd probably favour that over the event but I don't have any overwhelming preference. On the whole though I'd say the chances are that sources exist, so a redirection is probably preferable if those sources can't be found. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @Blue Square Thing: Photo with caption appears to have come from the Gisborne Photo News monthly serial, which happens to have been digitized, specifically the February 1971 Issue (#200), page 37. Page in question can be found here. Not a whole lot of content there, sadly, and after spending some time looking for further sources, I think you're right that if any exist, they are unlikely to be available online. AddWittyNameHere 00:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now an obvious keep following Paora's work. New Zealanders regularly turn out to be much more interesting than people can often imagine! Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Redirect~~ as per ATD and Blue Square Thing above. There is a clear and obvious redirect target and this gives future editors the chance to find sources. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 13:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'Keep per good expansion work. Looking good! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, following expansion. Paora (talk) 12:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep after WP:HEY by Paora.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Impressive work by Paora. @MarchOfTheGreyhounds: In case they want to change their opinion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, will change! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola Petković (footballer, born 1997)

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben Wyatt

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No evidence found of notability, no independent indepth reliable sources about the player (just database entries) Fram (talk) 08:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I couldn't find any significant coverage so he fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Draftifying implies SIGCOV exists or will exist in the near future, and I don't see evidence for presuming all EFL2 players receive SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ayo Lekuti

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No evidence found of any notability, just databases and sources which aren't independent (e.g. from the team) Fram (talk) 08:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No traces of GNG coverage. Why would we expect him to be notable in the near future? JoelleJay (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quite often, young players that debut are on an upward trajectory. There are, of course, plenty that play a game or two then disappear, as we both know. If the subject does become notable in the near future, it would be easier to update the draft than to create something from scratch or ask the deleting admin to restore to user space or equivalent. I'm not too fussed either way as I accept that the subject isn't notable so deletion is not unreasonable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Smith-Howes

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No evidence of any notability, only independent source is one line in a local newspaper, and nothing better (or much at all) found online. Fram (talk) 08:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Google News just has match reports from his club. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify as an WP:ATD - subject not yet notable, might be notable in the future Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If SIGCOV eventually appears, the article can be recreated; it's not like this stub is more than an easily-copyable template anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kai O'Keeffe

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No notability found online, and one independent source in the article is one line in a local newspaper. Fram (talk) 08:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Appears to have been created as part of an extended burst of dozens of SPORTCRIT-failing new pages on EFL players, which will all need to be addressed. It would be helpful to have some sort of notice about the SPORTCRIT requirements pop up when creating an article on a footballer, as a reminder to editors who don't follow the football wikiproject or NSPORT or VP. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Google News just has a bunch of match reports from his club. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draft Move to draft space, the whole point of draft space is a place to start articles like these. Should have been done instead of going to AfD. Govvy (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as WP:TOOSOON Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. It's of course agreed that rivalries are not presumed notable, but to the extent there is debate about significant coverage and reliable sourcing, there is a rough consensus that, for this particular rivalry, enough coverage exists for retaining the article. In particular, there isn't much of a direct rebuttal to the sourcing that explicitly discusses the rivalry. I feel a redirect to the List of tennis rivalries would constitute a !supervote given the weight of the arguments here, as viewed through the lens of policy. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 03:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry

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Per tennis project and Wikipedia guidelines, this is not a legitimate article-worthy rivalry. If it's a rivalry : According to WP:NRIVALRY, rivalries are not inherently notable. "We can only have articles about tennis rivalries if there is significant media coverage about the rivalry. For example, great rivalries like Agassi–Sampras or Federer–Nadal warrant an article, but articles about rivalries like Agassi–Rafter and Federer–Hewitt have been deleted by the community. Tennis is a sport where closely ranked players wind up playing a lot... it's inherent. This is not a rivalry that the press talks endlessly about like Federer vs Nadal or Laver vs Rosewall. If in doubt, consult Wikiproject Tennis before creating a new rivalry article." Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - There does seem to be significant coverage from multiple reliable sources about this rivalry which are already in the article. Specifically these sources - [33], [34], [35], [36] - all describe this as a rivalry and discuss it in some depth (i.e., go beyond listing stats/match results). There is also [37] which I can't access because of a paywall but looks promising. WJ94 (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Hi, creator of the article here. I wrote to the nominator earlier today on the talk page, explaining with sources how the article meets GNG, and I had hoped to continue any discussion there, though I could've been clearer about that. [I won't suggest a merge myself – I think the article stands alone well – but considering that option is to me much preferable to nominating for deletion (!).] Anyway, want to mention I'm not under the illusion that Medvedev–Tsitsipas is at all as "great" (nominator's word) as Federer–Nadal, but that's a really high bar. And there is of course a lot of routine coverage of Med–Stef matches, but (as WJ94 noted) there's also more than that. Here are a couple more sources not currently cited that show the importance/uniqueness of Med–Tsitsipas: [38] ("closest thing we have to a blood feud"), [39], [40] (Med: "Every match against Stefanos is kind of special"). Hameltion (talk, contribs) 21:47, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And as I pointed out, rivalries/head-to-heads are inherent in the sport. That doesn't mean we create a rivalry page for every two players. We try to create rivalry articles for truly great massive press reported rivalries. Evert-Navratilova for one. Graf-Seles is another. Otherwise a section on the players articles in question is most always the best option. Most created rivalry articles get deleted once the general wikipedia populous looks closely at the situation. Most head-to-head confrontations don't even warrant a mention on an individual player's article... a few head-to-heads (like Hewett-Federer) get a paragraph on the player's article showing it is more significant than their other head-to-heads... and a very few turn out to be rivalries that highlight the sport in question and deserve a stand-alone rivalry article. You can always bring an Rfc to the Tennis Project and WP:NRIVALRY to change the Tennis Project guidelines on rivalries. Maybe this one is a really unique professional tennis head-to-head, but I'm not convinced. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fyunck(click) - No one is suggesting that this rivalry has inherited its notability; the argument is that the rivalry has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. We don't need an RfC on this because what is being discussed is the general notability guideline, and no Wikiproject can overturn a a generally accepted guideline like GNG (WP:CONLEVEL). In any case, the guidance you link to refers back to WP:NRIVALRY which just refers back to the WP:GNG - and the point being made here is that this rivalry does meet the GNG. You say that we only create articles for truly great massive press reported rivalries, but how do we deice which rivalries are truly great? The only way Wikipedia has to decide this is through an evaluation of reliable sources (i.e., the GNG). Sufficient reliable sources which give significant coverage to this rivalry have been provided. If you still think the article should be deleted, please explain why you believe the sources provided in the article and by Hameltion do not constitute significant coverage. WJ94 (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is a big difference between talking about a rivalry between a couple players where it is notable enough to add to an individual's article. We may know Serena Williams show size and have it sourced multiple times but we don't add it to her article. Likewise we may see some sources that mention a rivalry but again that doesn't mean it always gets added to an individual article... we may have undue weight to deal with. If we do find enough then adding to the individual article where it is more likely to be kept updated is the best place to put that notable info. It is a huge step to say it's notable compared with jumping on an individual stand-alone article. What has been created is better served on these individual player bios... probably with a collapsible head-to-head. This is not worthy of an individual article at this time. The small amount of sourced data at best should be merged and at worst removed imho. We'll see what other think in the next few weeks of interest. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect it to the List of tennis rivalries article. And when the necessary conditions are met for said rivalry to be in the table, remove the redirect and you should be good to go. Qwerty284651 (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can agree with the redirect but almost none of the rivalries listed on List of tennis rivalries have their own article. Just a very few. Even if this makes the list it would not warrant a stand-alone page, so we wouldn't remove the redirect. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not all, but some do have, those which are most noteworthy aka meet WP:GNG at the very least with rivalry articles of their own. Qwerty284651 (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources listed by WJ94 and article content. Meets WP:GNG. // Timothy :: talk 21:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Henry (American football)

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Just routine coverage, nothing in-depth enough to pass WP:GNG or WP:NSPORTS. Was deprodded with the addition of single source of short, routine sports coverage. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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He is a big ten coordinator, besides him being first team all big ten and playing a bit in the nfl makes him notable.

Comment - none of those things passes GNG or NSPORTS.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG / SIGCOV. E.g., this (part one/part two), this (part 1/part 2), this, this, this, this, this, this. Cbl62 (talk) 00:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sourcing provided by Cbl62. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep clearly notable having passed WP:GNG with ample sourcing from a variety of sources.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources provided by Cbl62. Clear pass of WP:GNG. Frank Anchor 03:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep User talk:Cbowers77 07:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - obvious GNG pass. Rlendog (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : Satisfying WP:NFOOTY. Tictictoc (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cbl62. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG.HennSw123 (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolay Hristov (footballer, born 1985)

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Fails WP:GNG Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 22:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I found a few bits of routine sports coverage but these mostly seem to relate to Nikolay Hristov (footballer, born 1989). I found Gol, which I presume to be about the 1985-born Hristov, but it's only a trivial mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Miloš Ubović

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Fails WP:GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 22:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all I can find is Dnevnik and Ns Fudbal, both way short of requirements. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson Khoury

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Declined 3 times in draft space then moved over to mainspace with no improvement. Subject is a semi-pro footballer with no significant coverage cited. The 2nd reference is archived here but only mentions the subject twice and it's only a basic match report. Only other sources that I can find in my WP:BEFORE search are database sites like Soccer Punter. Footballers need to meet WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG and Khoury demonstrates neither as he only has database coverage and trivial mentions. He wouldn't have met the old notability standards based on professional play either. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:27, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, semi-pro/youth playeyer lacking significant coverage. --Mvqr (talk) 15:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Beyond roster lists, no sourcing for GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Issa Hare Diawara

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Fails WP:GNG. I'd be glad to be proven otherwise. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:39, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Comprehensive WP:GNG failure. Jogurney (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find anything other than a passing mention in a Blogspot page entitled Tour d’Europe des Aigles (1/2) : Cheick Diabaté reçu 5/5 Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:40, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ognjen Ristić

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Fails WP:GNG. Played only 1 game in Serbian SuperLiga and retired soon after. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - all I can find are the usual database websites and a blog post about a young tennis player with the same name Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksa Jovanović (footballer, born 1998)

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Fails WP:GNG. I didn't even find database entries for this player. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I looked around on Soccerway and noticed something really odd. This Aleksa Jovanović, allegedly born in 1998, played for Dinamo Vranje briefly then disappeared. The Soccerway profile for Aleksa Jovanović (footballer, born 1999) seems to show a WP:FRANKENSTEIN because they have noted one game for Dinamo Vranje there while they were still playing continuously for Radnički Niš. My guess is that there were two different players with the same name and Soccerway has accidentally merged them into one profile. With regards to notability, I can't find any WP:SIGCOV but a WP:BEFORE is very difficult because the name is so common. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. The discussion hinges on whether or not there is significant coverage of the topic. I find no consensus on this point, hence no consensus in the deletion discussion. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 04:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyme Lulaj

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Fails WP:GNG Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. @GiantSnowman: "Introducing Cyme and Sabina, two stars of Albanian football!" in Dritare looks promising (two paragraphs dedicated to Cyme Lulaj plus photos) but "bloggy". This 2017 Panorama Sport interview "Scored 10 goals in one match – Lulaj: 'We overdid it a bit'" looks promising (one paragraph of prose plus two paragraphs of quotes) and slightly less bloggy, but some people will say "it's an interview". For Albanian speakers, we also have this Top Channel TV interview of Lulaj and another player, which doesn't count for notability but at least confirms she is TV interview-worthy. (I'm still thinking about it.) Cielquiparle (talk) 19:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite enough, but close, in my view... Giant Snowman 19:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Cielquiparle. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:17, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I think the characterisation of the Dritare source as "bloggy" is a bit harsh! It's listed at List of newspapers in Albania as an online news portal and when I googled it there was various Linkedin pages for its journalists, so it's run to professional standards. Cielquiparle is right that some editors do try to disallow interviews but that's always been bunkum, frankly. I'm not too sure why the TV interview source is being discounted either? Looks okay coverage to me, albeit I dunno exactly what's being said. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 14:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me! Cielquiparle (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews that don't provide any significant secondary independent commentary cannot be used for GNG. The Panorama Sport interview only has around 3 brief sentences by the interviewer, so N. The TV interview has a little discussion outside the interview, but I don't speak Albanian so other than picking up a couple "Cyme"s (and "30 Seconds to Mars"...) it's hard to gauge how much is secondary direct coverage of Lulaj versus primary comments or focused on the other players. The fact that she was interviewed at all has zero bearing on notability as it is not a criterion of ANYBIO or GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - that's 2 paragraphs or more in 2 reputable Albanian-language news sources plus a TV interview, good enough for me. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or redirect. There is one marginal source (Dratire) but GNG requires multiple pieces of SIRS SIGCOV, and I am not finding this for Lulaj. JoelleJay (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - The Dritare source is quite good, although I agree that it's probably not enough by itself to meet the GNG. Let's see if an editor can find something more to bring it up to our notability standards. Jogurney (talk) 18:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't consider "fails WP:GNG" with no further explanation to be a valid reason for deletion. Partofthemachine (talk) 22:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of established WP:SIGCOV - one, two or a mere handful aren't just enough imho. Angelo (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. BusterD (talk) 23:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Petrovic (extreme athlete)

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Article created by a blocked sock; I find no coverage for this individual and I'm thinking the "awards" won are not notable. There is a similar person that's head of the basketball federation in Serbia, who isn't this person. Oaktree b (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. The nom is wrong on several counts. The article was created by an IP through AFC, and subsequently edited by a possible COI account Akvabajk (talk · contribs) back in 2013. The sources in the article seem legitimate and include coverage in Blic [41], NBC Florida [42] and Huffington Post [43]. Now, this is all borderline, and Aquabike World Championship (powerboating) is a niche discipline, but his medals there are legit [44], as can be verified by other sources. I think that this is on the verge of GNG and NBASIC bar, but your mileage may vary. No such user (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No SIGCOV in any quality RS outside of niche blogs. Definitely also a paid-for article. This will need SALT I suspect. 31.187.2.233 (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No reliable sources on google, most results are stats.`~HelpingWorld~`^(👽🛸) 05:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Both sides have made policy-based arguments and there is no clear prevailing view – rather, there is a good-faith disagreement regarding whether GNG is passed or not. Stifle (talk) 14:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul-Samadu Musafiri

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Football coach who fails GNG and SPORTSBASIC. Trivial media coverage. BlameRuiner (talk) 10:11, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, cursory glance at references on page already makes it seem like he passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Ortizesp. @GiantSnowman:,, I found 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 among many many more African sources. Clearly was significant figure in local Ugandan football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Das osmnezz and Ortizesp ,subject passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All the sources provided are routine coverage and focus heavily on MYDA rather than Musafiri. Dougal18 (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails significant coverage (GNG) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as mentioned by other users, the provided coverage does not qualify as reliable independent WP:SIGCOV regarding the subject himself. --Angelo (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Das osmnezz has posted sources above showing subject passes GNG; some of the sources they post are questionable, but overall I think they show SIGCOV. I think Das osmnezz list also shows that research outside of the western media will show sources for notability. // Timothy :: talk 12:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I'm not understanding the issue here - there's more than enough GNG coverage in the links provided above. Sure, some might be lower quality than others - but the claims it's all routine or about the team appear to be false! Nfitz (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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