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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomáš Chovanec

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Long-unsourced article of a Slovak men's footballer who mostly played in small football clubs before disappearing in 2019. I could only find a story of his transfer to MFK OKD Karviná, which is routine and not significant coverage. Under the keyword "Tomáš Chovanec", Google searches mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. There is no corresponding article in Czech. Svartner (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I find a lot of Slovak sources to be paywalled and tricky to assess fully but I couldn't find anything that looks to comply with GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 04:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conway Pretorius

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wilmaure Louw

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete There appears to be a bit of sourcing on an event that took place in 2015 here, here and here however this is probably a bit WP:ONEVENTy. While there is coverage of his rugby career it is limited and there's not anything to suggest a WP:GNG pass. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eital Bredenkamp

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 02:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John William Goff (baseball)

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I can't find any evidence to substantiate a Major League Baseball player with this name. The article was created back in 2012 by User:AndyGoff. This appears to be a hoax. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:G3 as a hoax. There is nobody by that name who played in the major or minor leagues. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.. there was a William Thomas Goff a.k.a. Bill Goff [1] that played in the Giants farm system in the 40s... not sure if that is the same person but regardless never played in the majors. Correction... I think I found the player indicated [2] J. William Goff with the Cards D league team in 44. Still not notable but probably not a complete hoax.[3] Spanneraol (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete not a hoax - he was a minor league player and he is in the St Louis Amateur Baseball Hall of Fame. However he does not pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 00:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bart le Roux

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were three sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A few team announcements and a bit of transactional stuff, but not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Els

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nomination, another player who hasn't received any WP:RS coverage and hence fails WP:SPORTCRIT Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I procedural removed the PROD on this to allow more time to search for sourcing, given there were 23 PRODs to look through in less than a 48 hour period, and a simple search was bringing up potential sourcing. However, although there is this and a large number of team announcements, there probably isn't enough here to pass WP:GNG, and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 05:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hannaford

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despite being flagged for improvement for nearly a decade now, the article still has major issues. much of the article seems to be either original research, or things Matt has been only involved with tangentially (like stars his coworkers at the company represented). this could be improved if the article met WP:BIO, but even that seems doubtful. Free Realist 9 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Brink

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 22:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT.Dowrylauds (talk) 19:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kurt Haupt

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lots of transactional stuff, but struggling to find enough for a GNG pass. No list for German internationals exists currently, so no suitable redirect. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martin Ferreira

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There's a few bits out there, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tango Balekile

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a handful of sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 17:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There's this, this and this found in a simple search. Enough for a GNG pass I think. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first two sources are ok, but are from the same day and about the same topic, while the third source has 3-ish IRS sentences and so is pretty far from being the sustained SIGCOV expected for N. Can you find more sources? JoelleJay (talk) 16:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not enough coverage for a comprehensive independent biography IMO. JoelleJay (talk) 01:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 02:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jang Sok-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harvey Whiteley

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2, 3, 4). JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided Young player who could have an extensive career, but currently not notable and I sufficient coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, routine transactional announcements are not sufficient to meet NSPORT. JoelleJay (talk) 02:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sergio Torrens

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were three-ish sentences of independent coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolò D'Amico (rugby union)

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete A few bits here and there that could just make a GNG pass, but a minor career at the top level. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Routine transactional news does not contribute to GNG, and I'm not seeing anything beyond that. JoelleJay (talk) 01:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibia national rugby union players. Star Mississippi 02:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

André Schlechter

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players A handful of international caps, but for a smaller nation, and as common finding sourcing for Namibian internationals can be difficult. Redirect a suitable WP:ATD.

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Kenan Cronjé

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were three sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibia national rugby union players. Star Mississippi 02:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Munio Kasiringua

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players Only a few caps for a smaller nation, as common with Namibian internationals, finding GNG passing sourcing is difficult. Redirect is a suitable WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parvinder Singh

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:NCRIC. He has played in domestic-level cricket.. but does not appear to meet the notability requirement maintained by the cricket wikiproject. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A substantial domestic career, with 8 centuries and a high score of 203 not out; sources in Indian print media are bound to exist, his career isn't one which will go without coverage. AA (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage here. GoldRomean (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - beside his Cricinfo profile which gives a career overview, there looks to be a fair bit of coverage regarding individual innings. Hindustan Times 26 November 2009, Telegraph India 2 November 2013, The Statesman 7 January 2009, Indian Express 20 November 2012. He has played at the highest level of domestic cricket and this seems sufficient coverage to justify an article. --JP (Talk) 08:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Primary match reports are routine news and per NSPORT and NOTNEWS do not count towards notability, and that is all I'm finding for the subject (including among the links above). Sportspeople are required to have IRS SIGCOV cited in their article, regardless of their achievements and regardless of where or when they played. JoelleJay (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV not regarding individual matches also exists if you look hard enough. --JP (Talk) 07:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does go somewhat beyond a routine transactional report, so I'll reconsider my !vote. I'm not overly familiar with what's routine in cricket outside of match reports, though, so I'm going to ping @Wjemather for his input. JoelleJay (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Think there's enough here in what JP has found for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Murphy

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fails general notability guideline. all i could find was a namedrop, another namedrop, yet another namedrop, another, and so on. ltb d l (talk) 13:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Several instances of significant coverage contemporary to his era of activity. Connormah (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A multi-time national and world champion 400 m sprinter, and appears to meet GNG with trove and newspapers.com sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The subject meets WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV from multiple reliable sources. JTtheOG (talk) 06:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristian Benkő

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As is the case with several players from Hungarian football around this time, he had a short career in the NBI with no significant coverage that can be found about it. Little is known about his career after 2015, when the HLSZ profile ends. He did score many goals on one of Sweden's lower tiers, which is hardly significant, neither is his signing for a team on the 7th tier. Geschichte (talk) 09:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georges Charmoille

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I have been draftifying some articles about 120 years old gymnasts with very insufficient sourcing. This one I'm sending straight to AFD. The log indicates that a WP:LUGSTUB used to occupy the article title Georges Charmoille, before being moved to Gustave. In other words, there seems to have been unreliable sources somewhere along the way regarding his first name. There could be a situation where two brothers were gymnasts, but since this new article doesn't address that discrepancy at all, I consider it completely worthless. The Gustave article currently sits at Draft:Gustave Charmoille, but Georges can't be redirected there since redirects from mainspace to draftspace aren't allowed. Therefore: just nuke this one for emphatically failing WP:SPORTCRIT and problems with WP:V. Geschichte (talk) 10:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Does Wikipedia:NOLYMPICS apply here? There are a lot of Olympics books that name him as a bronze medalist in 1906. For example[4][5][6]
This should be transcluded to the Olympics deletion sorting list. If I knew how, I'd do it myself. Oblivy (talk) 11:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oblivy As I mentioned above, there are serious uncertainties about who "Georges" Charmoille really is. We already have a draft for Gustave, who is recognized as the correct name for the Olympian by Olympedia, at least. Geschichte (talk) 13:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two sources at Gustave are websites that lack citations for their assertions. archive.org has one hit for Gustave, seemingly about a dance performance. It has 38 hits about Georges, admittedly all post-1980. The official site lists Georges as competing but not medalling in 1908. Oblivy (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Olympedia seems to say he's known by both names? Seems very likely notable if he's the WORLD champion gymnast - deletion would seem to leave him as the only champion without an article per Template:NavigationWorldChampionsArtisticGymnasticsMenHorizontalBar? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that the draft at "Gustave" was also previously "Georges". I am sure we could ask the Olympedia team for their research on the matter to better know which name should be the article title - and for sources to use in it. I don't have significant time to do it, so I am neutral on whether the content of this article should be moved to the current draft article likely about the same person or not, but if it's going to take some time for clarity, it probably should. Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on its face, he meets the WP:NSPORTS requirement for medalling at an Olympic games. I recognize the possible argument that the 1906 games weren't really the Olympics (note old discussion here that did not reach a consensus) but they were considered the Olympics at the time and so the same spirit of best-in-the-world seems to apply.
Gustave vs. Georges seems irrelevant to this discussion. I don't think one uncited claim on a website is enough to discard the many books listing him under Georges. If necessary, create a redirect from Gustave and mention the controversy (if it can be supported by RS) on this page. Oblivy (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep although there doesn't seem much to say. That the first name is uncertain seems to me to be irrelevant, it is entirely possible he used both names or one was his common name and the other his official name. JMWt (talk) 10:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary: the uncertainty about the first name pertains to the very root of the WP:V issue: who was this person? It's not up to us to speculate on which name was what, we need reliable sources. Geschichte (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having trouble understanding the verifiability issue. We have a number of record books with the Georges name in them. And the official Olympic website says Georges as the principal name.
On the other hand, we have the secondary name on the Olympics site and a website associating that name with him. Anything else? Is there a reliable source that is clearly him and gives Gustave as the principal name? If someone added a sentence or two discussing name controversy, wouldn't the full picture be disclosed? Oblivy (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lack of sourcng... I tried a search in the BNF newspaper archives, this was all that came up [7] second to last paragraph in the last column on the right. A person with the same name died in a torpedo attack. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zingisa April

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chris Heil

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Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Three professional appearances is not notable, oppose above redirect as he has played for multiple clubs, can't even say he spent the most time at KR. Mn1548 (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as he’s not notable enough on his own. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ofentse Boloko

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It seems like he is now out of the sport and working in fitness. JTtheOG (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sonwabo Majola

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It is likely he goes by a nickname. JTtheOG (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adam Solya

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I am unable to find any independent, secondary coverage of the subject, does not meet WP:GNG. Coverage appears limited to attribution for choreography credits in ISU competition reports (e.g. [8]), which are not secondary prose coverage or significant, and interviews ([9], [10]) lacking independent coverage of Solya. I tried searching for both the Western-style and Hungarian-style (Solya Adam) renditions of Solya's name online and found nothing relevant beyond the second interview example cited here. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Promo related too. NPOV issue, welp, doesn't meet WP:NSKATE. I trust nominators source analysis. The major SNG is not met, so I am proposing deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Suchý

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This Slovak men's footballer last played for Czech club Karviná in 2011 before disappearing from the football world.

Under the keyword "Martin Suchý", search engine results almost come up with other men of that name, including an author from Denník N and another footballer from FK Přibram. Without evidence of him even being an author and playing for FK Přibram, these cases clearly fail WP:V.

Sources that came up in my search regarding the AfD target were trial in Příbram, an interview by Deník, injury update, and another interview by SME that covers his current life. In my opinion, none of them are independent coverage that signal WP:GNG. Corresponding articles in other languages are unsourced stubs (I checked and translated them). Clara A. Djalim (talk) 12:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Page fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 13:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and those above. BD2412 T 13:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Roberts (sailor)

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth. The event they are primary known for does not have an article. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 02:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pyotr Kosarevsky

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Non-notable BLP, his career is largely confined to second-level football. Allan Nonymous (talk) 21:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- Nowhere going near WP:GNG MaskedSinger (talk) 05:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - minor league, zero goals, poor sourcing. Bearian (talk) 23:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Martani

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. The closest I found to WP:SIGCOV were a few sentences of coverage interspersed throughout an interview. JTtheOG (talk) 23:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I found nothing that can establish notability to the subject, the subject totally fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 16:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom lacks coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Wilschut

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom lacks coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alandré van Rooyen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete Absolutely heaps of coverage, but the majority of it is transactional, a bit of a surprise given he played in the English top league, but heyho. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Week Keep - Found this should pass WP:BASIC

[11], [12], [13], [14]. Otbest (talk) 19:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: 1 is a primary source. 2 is a duplicate of 4, which is a routine transactional announcement with two sentences of coverage. 3 is a routine transactional announcement with two sentences of coverage. Even BASIC requires significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources. JTtheOG (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keepa Mewett

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's this and a fair few other bits on his rugby career, and then a fair bit also on his post-rugby career. Worth a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, though I was initially leaning toward a delete some research shows the BoP Times profile, and other articles about being selected to play internationally as part of the Māori All Blacks. Its thin but I think it is enough. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He captained the Bay of Plenty side and played for the Māori All Blacks. As well as the Bay of Plenty Times profile, there is this profile from the Manawatu Standard during his stint playing for Manawatū, and this podcast that profiles his life journey. Paora (talk) 03:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per WP:HEY. I will insist the sources per se be incorporated into the article. All the best. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Milford Keresoma

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A bit of coverage exits on his career, but struggling to see enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks in-depth coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryan Mitchell (wrestler)

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No notable pro wrestler, doesn't meet WP:GNG. 1, he worked on independent promotions. Not enough coverage from third party sources about him for an article. 2, the article is half hoax. He never won titles on OVW, TNA Wrestling, JCW or PWG. Looking his Cagematch profile, just won a few titles. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment looks like, months ago, an IP included Josh Hardy and Ryan Mitchell on several championships as champions, which is fake. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bert Allum

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Couldn't find significant coverage of him. I searched on newspapers.com for his name as well as "Albert Allum" and "Albie Allum" but no sigcov was found. Dougal18 (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WFL All-Time Team

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This is not an official or recognized team (although that would likely be impossible given the league folded in 1975) that was created by "fans of the WFL". After looking through the sources, it's likely that the "fans" were the 2 authors (and self-appointed "official researchers") of the World Football League Encyclopedia, which appears to have a limited circulation at best and is not independent. The rest of the references are either individual team media guides that likely have zero mention of the team because they were published before the league folded or self-published sites. The previous AfD in 2009 was editors voting "weak keep" and acknowledging the referencing was bad, but because there were references provided (which is clearly not a valid rationale to keep under today's notability standards). Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SIGCOV easily. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- no evidence of notability, especially if it's not an officially recognized team. If anything, the list of players itself (sans the stats) could merged into the main WFL article. JTtheOG (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC) JTtheOG (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it's not clear what this list is, where it came from, or why anybody should care. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elijah Everett

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The existing references are limited to chess databases that verify a moderately high ELO, trivial mentions in broader coverage of major chess matches, and a link to the subject's page as a for-hire language teacher. Google and Google News searches do not support widespread coverage in any reliable sources and the subject does not hold any FIDE titles BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 17:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Note: Elo is a surname, not an acronym. ELO is a band. An Electric Light Orchestra rating of 2233 is not notable, that will get you into the world top 7000 if you count only active players. No notable chess achievements. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 09:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with @MaxBrowne2 above. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jim Hoffmann

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Does not meet WP:NHOCKEY. References in article are routine mentions and a brief death notice; a search does not provide any indication of meeting WP:GNG. Triptothecottage (talk) 01:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Korry Howell

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Also found this [15], with the Chicago Tribune article, we probably have enough for basic notability, was an up-and-coming minor leaguer, then it didn't work out. Was notable at a one point, so should be ok. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I have found three additional sources which are pretty helpful in establishing notability, see these: [16], [17], [18] Kline • talk • contribs 21:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Needs more clean up but WP:HEY works better, at least clean up isn't deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Zanusso

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was a few sentences here, which would not suffice. JTtheOG (talk) 17:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Think there's enough in Italian wikipedia and Italian sourcing for a weak keep, would have no issue with redirecting if deemed not. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players: perfect redirecting instead of deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Enrico Patrizio

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players Online coverage does look to be limited, but there may be some offline. Redirect is suitable for now if anything crops up in the future. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players - unable to yield any WP:SIGCOV Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cristian Cerioni

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP with no evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of in-depth coverage available online. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 16:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Struggling to see anything other than transactional announcements. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Delta State Statesmen and Lady Statesmen#Football. as a viable ATD. History is preserved if folks want to merge Star Mississippi 01:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Delta State Statesmen in the NFL draft

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No evidence that this grouping meets WP:NLIST, the article is just a straight copy of the single database source. Can at most be merged to Delta State Statesmen and Lady Statesmen#Football if this is deemed of some importance after all. As can be seen at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 420#DraftHistory.com, there are concerns about the source anyway, so new creations based on this source should probably be stopped. Fram (talk) 08:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are multiple sources in regards to Delta State football players being drafted ([19], [20], [21]), though I agree that a lot of the lists should be expanded upon (which myself and a lot of others are very much trying to work on), and turned into FL's. In regards to this list, I would not be completely opposed to a merge/redirect, but for now I just view it as a Stub. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 17:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What's required for list notability is reliable secondary sources doscussing the grouping, not the members of the group. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN due to a lack of secondary sources. The sources cited here along with the one in the article are all primary. Let'srun (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. LISTN asks that "Delta State Statesmen in the NFL draft" be discussed significantly in IRS as a topic in itself; separate sources on individual Statesmen in the draft are not sufficient. JoelleJay (talk) 05:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom does not meet WP:LISTN.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge largely per nom; the sources from KingSkyLord are machine-generated. There is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument based on articles in Category:Lists of National Football League draftees by college football team, but many of those articles can/should also be deleted or merged. That said, I see no reasons this information couldn't be included at Delta State Statesmen and Lady Statesmen#Football. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't have a particular stance on this, but I thought I'd mention that everything from the source in question can be easily replaced with links to Pro-Football-Reference.com. This link verifies the content in the article, but it of course does not provide any SIGCOV for the matter. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Franco (soccer)

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 03:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 03:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamath Shoffner

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], among many more sources. Ongoing coaching career with pro Belgian team (helping them reach semifinal of Belgian Cup) and has coached one of most high profile Luxembourg teams (F91 Dudelange) and was assistant of Luxembourg natiomal team and a Major League Soccer team, not to mention a pro playing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above. Pelotas^talk^|^contribs 04:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayeson Pepito

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 02:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - other than the match report about his 'howler', which is not enough on its own, I can't find much else Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corné Weilbach

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. There's a couple sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's also this along with what we already have, just about worth a weak keep in my opinion currently, especially as a young player who's career is starting to kickoff. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Maybe go back to draft and try to look/add more contet here and then resubmit. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruben Riccioli

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP with no evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of in-depth coverage available online. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 20:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Struggling to see anything other than transactional announcements on this one. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nicola Belardo

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's this source on his post playing career, and a few bits on his playing career also, just worth a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Davide Fragnito

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV other than this, which seems like a press release ("The whole company expresses the utmost satisfaction"). JTtheOG (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's a reasonable source here and a few bits here. Worth a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sione Fonua

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Fan sites and blogs are generally not regarded as reliable sources. Shinadamina (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/weak keep There's coverage of his World Cup appearances, and his post playing career in law. I think there's enough here for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rugbyfan22 The coverage I see are stats pages and mentions. I do not see any in-depth coverage on the individual which is needed to show notability. If you see such coverage, please post the links. Shinadamina (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I had a good dig and didn't turn up anything that establishes notability. I have a feeling given his post-rugby career in law and Tongan politics there might be good sources in the Tongan language, but I wasn't able to unearth any. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is credible a good impact of this article. Though it doesn't satisfy WP:SIGCOV and the sources were few of database results. I am quite certain that the article individual exists and has been covered in little coverage this, and others. A redirect/draftify should work better here against deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As well as his rugby playing career, which included playing in all four of Tonga's matches at the 2003 Rugby World Cup, he became a prominent lawyer in Tonga, serving as president of the Tongan Law Society and as a member of the 2009 Tongan Constitutional and Electoral Commission. He was a founder and president of the Paati Langafonua Tu'uloa (Sustainable Nation-Building Party), and was a candidate in Tongan general elections in 2008, 2010 and 2014. Paora (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revaz Gigauri

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Subject should have at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage, excluding database sources.Does not pass WP:SPORTBASIC Shinadamina (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: WP:CSK#1 applies as no deletion rationale has been presented. Let'srun (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I have added the rationale now. Shinadamina (talk) 08:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Two World Cups and a simple search is bringing up GNG passing sourcing such as this and there will likely be more offline. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep You can improve the article too. Orientls (talk) 14:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diogo Gama

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Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I apologize, I have added the rationale now. Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portgual Featured at a World Cup and for a minor nation, struggling to see suitable sourcing but there maybe more offline. Redirect a suitable WP:ATD for now. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A week has not passed since the rationale was added. It should have been there the moment the AfD was posted, not tagged on later. This should have been closed immediately for lack of rationale. The original lack of rationale suggests WP:BEFORE issue. The lack of rationale other than noting lack of sources, including failure to discuss notability, still suggests WP:BEFORE issue. Do we know anything about the individual covered by the article? Did the nominator "take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources"? Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have searched google and unable to find proper news articles on this individual. If you can find any, please post here.Shinadamina (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portgual per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. given sources added. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Csaba Gál

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Subject should have at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of it, excluding database sources. Lacks references. Shinadamina (talk) 18:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I apologize, I have added the rationale now.Shinadamina (talk) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Two GNG passing sources in foreign language Wikipedia. I imagine there will be sourcing offline also, given he won well over 80 caps for his nation and appeared in 3 World Cups. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The nominator didn't do WP:BEFORE. I added some references from the corresponding article in Romanian. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Takuro Okuyama

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Yet another really poorly sourced BLP on a footballer that only played 46 mins of football. Japanese Wikipedia has no decent sources. He is mentioned 3 times in this blog post and once in Reds Denk but this is far from enough for WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unnotable insignificant footballer without decent sourcing. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kota Yanagisawa

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Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. The only half-decent source found is Livedoor, a blog post, which falls short of being WP:SIGCOV of Yanagisawa and, in any case, WP:SPORTBASIC and SIGCOV require multiple good sources for a pass. Japanese Wikipedia doesn't have any acceptable sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasuhiro Tanaka (footballer)

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in 1 cup game then disappeared, although he was briefly on the books for Operário Ferroviário Esporte Clube. Searching in Japanese, I can only find Niigata University and J League, neither of which are significant. I couldn't find any coverage of his very brief spell in Brazil. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. There is also nothing in the Brazilian media about his time at Operário Ferroviário. Svartner (talk) 09:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shotaro Dei

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in one 2nd tier match and then disappeared to the amateur levels. Searching in Japanese, I can only find a couple of self-published blog posts like La Bola and LiveDoor, which are not considered to be WP:RS. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as what the nomination says. By the way, Spiderone, I kinda like that you mentioned to the state of corresponding article on the subject's original language! Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom, article lacks sources Waqar💬 17:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoji Yamada

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in 2 cup games then disappeared. Searching in Japanese, I can only find coverage of the musician of the same name. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as what the nomination says. By the way, Spiderone, I kinda like the fact you're referring to corresponding article on the subject's original language in AfD! Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CuteDolphin712 in fairness, Japanese Wikipedia articles for footballers tend to be of a very high quality in my experience so it tends to be a good indicator on whether the en.wiki article is worth having. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no sources Waqar💬 17:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 08:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Mensah

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no WP:SIGCOV demonstrated. The best that I can find are Abidjan 1 and Abidjan 2, both passing mentions in Ivorian media. The Feyenoord mentioned is the one in Ghana, not the Dutch team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I fixed the link to the Voice of America article, which seems pretty good. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring it. I'm not going to withdraw this AfD yet as I don't think that it's enough on its own for a GNG pass. The coverage is Fifteen-year-old Francis Joe Mensah is one of the academy's best players, a lightning-quick, technically solid, left back, who can also play left wing. He predicts he will make it in Europe. He says he has no fear of failure. followed by a quote from the subject. I also think WP:YOUNGATH might apply given the age of the subject at the time (the coverage does not seem to be substantial and prolonged). I'd be interested to know what others think. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. One source on its own not enough. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete—There's nothing here. Played for an academy and then disappeared. No WP:SIGCOV shown at all. Anwegmann (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The Voice of America article fails WP:YOUNGATH and I don't see anything else besides primary sources and passing mentions. Let'srun (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ekene Emigo

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Another creation by Zombie with a lot of dubious info; I can find nothing to verify the move to Leicester City nor the 1 cap for Nigeria. This hasn't always been unsourced. It's previously had the unreliable WP:TRANSFERMARKT as well as a link to National Football Teams, although the profile linked has no confirmation of his cap or even his DOB. He definitely existed because I found trivial mentions in Modern Ghana and RSSSF but none of this is even close to WP:SIGCOV. This article has existed for 16 years without a decent source so, if we can't find one, it needs deleting. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Major based on nominator's rationale. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Article for clean up, but clean up is down when it meets WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSBIO for this article. I don't seem to find sources if not trivial per nom. No option for ATD. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignatius Ekwunife

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Another poorly sourced BLP by a banned editor, see User talk:Zombie433 for more examples of these. The only sources found are All Africa 1, a paywalled source that says Ugochukwu Nwankwo, Diri Otimoti and Ebitimi Agogo will run the midfield and Teddy Lucky, Ignatius Ekwunife and Amakiri George in the fore. and All Africa 2, which says The goal disorganised Sharks the more and three bookings to Ignatius Ekwunife, Festus Umasah and Chidiekeke Okefe in a spate of five minutes

These are both passing mentions in a match report and do not constitute WP:SIGCOV. I am unable to verify anything else from this stub and, even if I could, notability is still a big issue. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Based on nominator's rationale. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unverifiable content. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olatunji Adeola

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One of many dubious BLPs created by the same permanently banned user, see User talk:Zombie433 for many other examples. I have searched all combinations of Olatunde/Olatunji Adeola Waidi, including changing the name order, and found no useful coverage. All I can find is the same Sky Sports article already used. It's a passing mention so does not comply with WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nominator's rationale. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No claim of notability as the texts aren't verifiable. No source for WP:SIGCOV. Doesn't meet any criteria at all per WP:ANYBIO or WP:THREE which may serve as a good case for WP:ATD. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristen Onsgard

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Bridge player. Seems like a total failure of WP:GNG. Specifically, there is not a single independent source in the article, and I was not able to find any either. From WP:GNG: "Independent of the subject excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it". Within bridge, "affiliated with the subject" means bridge federations, leagues, and tournaments - and of course also the subject herself (here, I'm referring to the Amazon page for a book.) Prolonged attempts to explain the creator what a significant and independent source is, have not bore fruit at all; a discussion of this nature might also come up during this discussion. References to a bridge SNG might also come up, which is irrelevant as long as GNG is not met. Geschichte (talk) 15:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - We have already gone through this review process with this user. My account is autopatrolled, new articles I create should not have to go through the review process as I am supposed to be trusted to know what types of articles meet Wikipedia guidelines.

Kristen won a North American Bridge Championship (NABC). These Bridge events are open to players around the world and many fly in, including the world's top professional players, to compete at these 10 day tournaments. Winning an unlimited event at an NABC is very prestigious achievement. I created Kristen's page, and also included a picture.

Geschichte decided to move this new article to Draft space. There was discussion on this user's Talk page about this. I asked for more senior Wikipedia editors to review the submission. They decided that the page was notable, overruled Geschichte, and Star Mississippi moved the article to the main Wikipedia on April 7, asking Geschichte to take it to AfD if there was any issues.

One would have thought the discussion was over, but Geschichte retaliated by adding to Kristen's page on April 11, having just been overruled on that very issue.

Since April 11 the page has been edited by others, including additional information about Kristen and more references added.

I removed the "no significant coverage" banner today. Geschichte then retaliated again by submitting this to AfD.

I have created 7 pages on Bridge players this year. All are similar in style, scope. None of them have been sent to AfD. I have probably created 300+ Wikipedia pages for Bridge players over the last few years.

I don't want to get into a flame war, but "Prolonged attempts to explain the creator what a significant and independent source is, have not bore fruit at all" is not what has happened. Another Wikipedia editor, Star Mississippi overruled Geschichte issues. This is Geschichte second retaliation to being overruled. The first retaliation was adding the banner, the second retaliation was submitting this to AfD almost a month after it was approved.

A general rule of thumb in Bridge is anyone who has won a World event, won a European event, or won a North American Bridge Championship is meets the notability requirements, based on comparisons with other sports.

Kristen meets that criteria.Nicolas.hammond (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She more than likely does meet notability criteria, but we need sourcing about this person in order to build the article. What's used now isn't acceptable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - In "Independent of the subject excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it", the article's subject in this case is surely Kristen Onsgard. Someone affiliated with her is surely intended to mean a family member, friend, or someone who is part of the same circle. Surely interpreting it as excluding works produced by a national bridge federation is interpreting it far more broadly than was intended? JH (talk page) 09:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Direct quote from WP:SPORTCRIT: "governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players" Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - please can someone confirm which source(s) show significant coverage of Onsgard? I have checked each one and can't find any. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as I was pinged. I don't view myself as having overruled Geschichte as that's not really a thing here. I believed the article deserved a chance in mainspace, and I restored it acting as an editor, not as an admin. I have not looked further and likely will not during the run of this discussion so I take no point on this deletion discussion. Geschichte disagreed with my restoration, as is within their right as an established editor, and brought it here for the community to discuss. That's exactly the process that should happen. Nicolas.hammond, being autopatrolled does not mean your articles can't be brought for deletion. I'd venture a guess that every editor who has written more than a handful has had one of the articles they started brought for deletion. It is not personal, although it may feel it. Please look for independent, reliable sources which will help determine whether Onsgard is notable, not any "rule of thumb". Star Mississippi 01:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This needs input from someone who understands who Wikipedia works. The comments above need not be characterized by me as they speak for themselves, with non-existing concepts such as "approval", "overruling", "retaliation" etc. Geschichte (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Outside of team profiles, there is no coverage for this person. Even what's used now in the article is ranking listings from various bridge federations. We need articles in media of some kind about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. I was unable to find any SIGCOV during a search and none has been presented here. I am also not seeing anything wrong with User:Geschichte's process on the matter. When drafting and tagging the page gets rejected without any improvements then the next logical step is to take them to AfD. Alvaldi (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Kristen's picture was on the front page of the International Bridge Press Association May 2024 bulletin, https://www.ibpa.com/, for the NABC win. This bulletin is not yet archived so is only accessible to IBPA members, so I can't add to her page. In other words, winning an NABC event is a big deal.Nicolas.hammond (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is current no SNG for Bridge. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports). I added a proposal for Bridge in the Talk section. I based the SNG proposal on other non-common sports.

For example, curling, kickboxing, orienteering, triathlon. In all of these the equivalency (winning a major event) merits a Wikipedia page.Nicolas.hammond (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I created Kristen's page the day after she won the NABC. The issue for me is not Kristen's page per se, but the application of the criteria for SNG/GNG. Hence the reason for creating the Bridge SNG proposal. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Subject-specific_notability_guidelines

A topic is presumed to merit an article if:

It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and
It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.

This article has its equivalence to the SNG requirements for other less well known sports. Nicolas.hammond (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: For a sport like curling, it says: "Significant coverage is likely to exist for a curler if they ...". Likely to exist being the keywords, it is then up to us to find that coverage. It might be quite difficult for earlier, non-Western participants, whereas the easiest participants to cover should be current, American or British ones. Geschichte (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. GNG coverage is required, and that means multiple sources of IRS SIGCOV must be shown to keep this article. No such sourcing has been found. Also, organizations are inherently invested in promoting their own activities and therefore are clearly not independent of subjects participating in those activities. JoelleJay (talk) 00:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Three sentences here was the best I found. JTtheOG (talk) 07:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Quite a lot of coverage that actually names him in the lead, but still don't think any of it would qualify for WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riccardo Genovese

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2, 3, etc.). JTtheOG (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/weak keep Leaning towards keep here, heaps of coverage on the subject, although as nom says a lot of it is transactional, however this, and this (although transactional gives a profile) along with coverage here, and the fact that the players career is starting to kickoff now are worth a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's a few bits on this one, such as this and this, which I think is just enough for a weak keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems like the first website is some sort of upstart sports blog with a staff of university students (1). Also, the publishers of the second source, the Melbourne Rebels, are directly affiliated with the subject's former team, Melbourne Rising. JTtheOG (talk) 17:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Some sigcov does exist in Italian sources such as - padovaoggi.it (more than routine) Jevansen (talk) 05:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)*[reply]
Keep - Meeting GNG 1 and 2 Adding to the discussion above, Hitro talk 19:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alessandro Mordacci

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP with no evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of independent coverage available online. The few third-party sources that do cover him directly are not in-depth (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 19:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A few transactional announcements, but not really enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. No need to leave this open for three more days. Owen× ☎ 21:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Babangida (footballer)

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I've been unable to find if this Nigerian footballer who recently died in a car crash passes WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He won the 1993 FIFA U-17 World Championship. Don't delete the article. 186.176.235.73 (talk) 11:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That has no relevance to SPORTCRIT or GNG Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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An ATD is to merge/redirect to Tijani Babangida where he is currently mentioned, not least since Tijani was in the same car crash. Another alternative to deletion would of course be to find sigcov in the Netherlands. Geschichte (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He play at the Eredivisie and won the Nigerian Premier League in 1992. 201.206.42.68 (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think there's enough coverage of his death, including pieces like this, which show notability. He had 50+ games in the Dutch professional leagues, the issue is searching is skewed to just reports of his death. Giant Snowman 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per GiantSnowman. Player with sources and pro career including 50+ appearances in fully pro Dutch league and definitly has more offline sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 01:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Won the 1992 NPL. Sources about this entity are PROBABLY offline plus the sources presented by GiantSnowman. Best, Reading Beans 13:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Easy keep here. Clearly meets WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rusty Fein

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG due to WP:SIGCOV such as [[29]] and [[30]]. Let'srun (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Moderate success at lower levels but does not meet WP:GNG guidelines. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get you. Which part of WP:GNG are you saying? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The first source provided above is quite good, especially if you go to C5, where it focuses much more on him. I lean towards discounting the second source above since it mostly talks about his former partner's retirement and him contemplating the same in very few words. It is also the same publication and not independent of source #1 above. However, from the sources in the article, the Skate Today piece seems to cover him specifically in depth. Those are enough to meet GNG vice NSKATE in my view. -2pou (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep: The article meets WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO based on the major awards he has won and was cited to reliable sources. For the nominator, WP:SNGs are followed after checking the WP:BASIC. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What “major awards” has this guy won? Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. Figure Skating Championships as well as collab..ING with Tiffany Scott. Finding sources first WP:BEFORE is also important. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bgsu98, this mentions and collabs this and this is at least there will be existing source. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That a PROD was removed doesn't make an article non notable. I see you nominated articles simply because they doesn't meet WP:NSKATE; this is a secondary/additional way after the article lacks valuable and verifiable sources to establish notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. And still no discussion has followed. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Devora Radeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Considered keep per WP:NEXIST but no one actually posted a keep !vote. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Candice Towler-Green

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SKATER. --BoraVoro (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: A WP:BEFORE came up with the following sources: [[31]][[32]]. Let'srun (talk) 15:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. More discussion was needed. This has already been relisted twice. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominika Polakowska

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia only contains one source that is a database and no significant coverage. My Google searches also come up with nothing else. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insuffient coverage.--Wish for Good (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prob delete - I'm not seeing RS. It is possible they exist in languages I don't read but if that's the case I encourage !keep voters to bring sources to the discussion. JMWt (talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per DCsansei and JTtheOG. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 10:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charissa Tansomboon

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Subject is now a researcher in online learning, though I'm not seeing anything that would indicate notability under WP:NPROF. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find enough WP:SIGCOV from RS for this to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 17:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I was trying to figure out what "platinum medalist" would be, as that sounded interesting, perhaps specific to Thailand... But no, turns out to be vandalism. The Skate Today piece referenced is good and dedicated to her, but it alone is not enough to meet GNG. -2pou (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Dutch Figure Skating Championships. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ Voll placed third at the senior national championships in 2008 and 2009, as evidenced by the references given. She placed 2nd at the 2007 senior national championships but I can´t find online the results of that competition. Anyhow, there is no doubt that Voll meets Wikipedia:NSKATE. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bronze and silver medals at the senior national championships explicitly do not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You´re right, I misread. Criteria are rather strict, I´d say. I´ll strike through my keep vote Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- she doesn't fulfill the criteria, especially in current state. if theres more to add to the article, someone should add. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ No sufficient sources found that meet GNG. Fails WP:NSKATE. --Enos733 (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dutch Figure Skating Championships. Per ATD and CHEAP. Doesn't meet the guidelines. I did try to improve the article. Enos733, MaskedSinger, User:Bgsu98, and Ruud Buitelaar, can you all get behind this? gidonb (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to a redirect. - Enos733 (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. Good solution Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Again, the nominator's rush to nominate dozens of articles in under half an hour failed to stimulate discussion about many of them, such as this one. It has already been relisted twice. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment- She has participated in more than 3 Olympic [33] while presenting her country, She ought to be notable. Otbest (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NSKATE and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. The nominator's race to nominate dozens of articles within half an hour failed to stimulate any discussion whatsoever about many of them, such as this instance. It has already been relisted twice. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 04:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree. Needs to be more here to pass WP:GNG. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Because redirect was rejected, there is no consensus here and it has been relisted twice. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayley Anne Sacks

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find more than some trivial mentions, and as such, this subject does not meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Please ping me if any significant coverage can be found. Let'srun (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2008 World Figure Skating Championships per ATD and CHEAP. Let'srun and Bgsu98, can you get behind this? gidonb (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it may be a WP:SURPRISE and as such I do not support. Let'srun (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Let'srun. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just me or are there a disproportionate amount of articles here about ice skaters? MaskedSinger (talk) 07:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MaskedSinger, the nominator PROD'd a lot of these articles, other editors thought it was rash and de-PROD'd them and now they have would up at AFD, all at the same time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok. thanks for explaining. MaskedSinger (talk) 04:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. The nominator's burst of dozens of nominations within half an hour failed to stimulate any discussion about many of them. This one did get one weak keep at least, but that is not a full discussion and this has been relisted twice already. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep – Sources I got in my Google search may be related to significant coverage: 2010, January 2011, and December 2011. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Again, this has been relisted twice without stimulating any discussion. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marta Paoletti

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. This has been relisted twice without stimulating any discussion. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. This has already been relisted twice without stimulating discussion beyond one !vote for procedural keep. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches and 50 AfDs in 30 minutes is wholly inappropriate. JTtheOG (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject has some decent coverage at [[34]] and [[35]]. Not a ton here but probably enough to pass the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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An obit here, as well as coverage in the New York Times here and here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Per source presented by Beanie fan. I think it's unusual nominating articles because they are short. WP:NSKATE is an additional Wikipedia policy. If per the sources they the articles won those awards, then he meets WP:ANYBIO and sources per WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. please do run WP:BEFORE and not bypass it. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with sources such as [[36]], [[37]] and [[38]]. Let'srun (talk) 13:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with the SkateToday article already in the article in addition to [[39]]. Let'srun (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: There isn't any credible source to meet WP:GNG. The gross lacking in WP:SIGCOV made it difficult in popping any result for WP:RS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olivia Nicole Martins

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Doesnt satisfy WP:GNG MaskedSinger (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yevhen Kholoniuk

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bgsu98, don't WP:NSKATE favour collaboration per criterion 3. I can reasonably see collaborations which yield winning a German Championship. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there is sufficient independent coverage.--Wish for Good (talk) 04:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wish for Good, are you going to share with the rest of the class or should we just take your word for it? Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Chu-hong

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Remember to provide rationale 104.232.119.107 (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was an error; thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per rationale. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete because this can’t scratch WP:NSKATE. She medaled at South Korea’s national championships, a senior-level event, though this is not international, and her international accomplishments did not earn her a medal. There is no WP:SIGCOV for her in this or another context unfortunately. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 05:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Sun-bin (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete with the exact same rationale I presented at Lee Chu-hong’s. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magdalena Leska

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Maguire (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find more than some trivial mentions, and as such, this subject does not meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Please ping me if significant coverage is found. Let'srun (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Has a picture so that's an improvement but still lacking in WP:SIGCOV. Therefore, it's a Delete for me. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 14:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johanna Purdy

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find more than some trivial mentions, this fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a seeming lack of WP:SIGCOV. Please ping me if significant coverage is found. Let'srun (talk) 14:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am certain that this article didn't meet WP:GNG, WP:SPORTSCRIT and sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandr Levintsov

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no support for Deletion and Soft Deletion is not an option. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veronika Kropotina

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I don't see support for Deletion and a Soft Deletion is not possible. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't know much about WP:NSKATE but for WP:SPORTSBIO and WP:GNG, this is not notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches (see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. within the past week) and fails to address WP:GNG in his nominations. Regardless, 50 AfDs in 30 minutes is wholly inappropriate. JTtheOG (talk) 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I found one interview, but not enough sources to meet GNG. Fails WP:NSKATE. --Enos733 (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG, there is no corresponding article on ja.wiki. Svartner (talk) 22:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hirokazu Kobayashi (figure skater)

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Delete I was not able to find any sources that meet GNG. Fails WP:NSKATE. --Enos733 (talk) 15:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This user nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. I'm categorically opposed to AfDs without a proper BEFORE, so I would argue for keep (while knowing this is not a !vote). While I also haven't done a extensive BEFORE search but was quickly able to find an interview with TV Tokyo [40] and a feature on him in J-Sport [41] in the Japanese article. DCsansei (talk) 00:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DCsansei is absolutely correct in demanding a proper review of potentially available sources before proceeding with a deletion nomination. However, the short window of time within which many similar nominations were submitted is most certainly not proof the required search was not made. I, for example, work as much as I find necessary to prepare a Wikipedia contribution. Sometimes, this involves multiple AfD's, and, when all are ready, I post them up in one go. -The Gnome (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete on account of the serious dearth of sources testifying to our subject's notability. Routine listings by the International Skating Union or interviews simply do not do. -The Gnome (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah-Marine Rouffanche

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subject fails WP:GNG and is not saved by WP:NCREATIVE. An ice dancer who qualified for the World Junior Championship's free dance competition and finished 15th: an achievement truly admirable by this humble servant, but insufficient for a Wikipedia article. Whence the required numerous, independent sources? -The Gnome (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Senft

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with [[42]] and [[43]]. Let'srun (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - Excellent coverage in The Province and OK coverage in The Winnipeg Sun in the above links. The latter is much thinner and seems to slightly focus on her partner, but it does turn towards her later, so I lean to find that sufficient to show that enough WP:NEXISTs to meet GNG vice NSKATE, despite the dearth citations to RS in the article itself. -2pou (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Maxime Deschamps#Partnership with Grenier as an ATD with which the nom agrees Star Mississippi 01:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Grenier

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. All I could find were passing mentions. Let'srun (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Maxime Deschamps#Partnership_with_Grenier as an ATD. The subject's skating partner is notable. The only GNG source I found of the subject was the 2014 GoldenSkate article previewing their season. --Enos733 (talk) 21:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is actually not a bad idea. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 14:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irakli Abuseridze

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Reason for Nomination: All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 18:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's clear no WP:BEFORE has been done on this one. Other language Wikipedia's have WP:GNG passing sources. There is lots of coverage of his election or non-election as president of Georgia rugby, plus there's coverage of his extensive career (3 World Cups, over 80 caps for a reasonable rugby nation and European career). WP:NOTCLEANUP in action here also. Just because the article is not sourced, doesn't mean it's a reason for deletion as it looks to be clear that sourcing exists, even in the most simple of searches. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I did search for other sources and when doing so, I did not see significant coverage. There is this article, but it is brief. Do you see anything else? If so, please post the links or add to the article. Shinadamina (talk) 08:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 12:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Bartlett (racing driver)

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Notability not demonstrated. I find a couple of passing references to Bartlett in reliable sources, but nothing substantial. See discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#John_Bartlett_(racing_driver) Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 08:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMOTORSPORT. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though WSCC and IMSA are not explicitly listed in WP:NMOTORSPORT they are "significant international motorsport series" (as mentioned in the second bullet point). NuIotaChi (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Some coverage about being jailed: [44]. Also [45]. Feels like there should be more coverage... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My name is John Bartlett (the John Bartlett you are discussing). I have just been alerted to this situation. I'm not very internet savvy so not sure if I'm supposed to even comment but have been directed to this discussion.

Having now viewed the various comments here I thought I should perhaps point out that my actual blog/website already has my medical history published (including the MRI scans somebody mentioned, which in fact have my name on the top of the scan, albeit very small). The MRI scan on my website site is bigger so it's easier to see my name.

Re the other "John Bartlett" someone referred to as owning a US hockey team (I think). That person bears no relation to me, so is clearly a different John Bartlett! I therefore have no idea if what is being said about him owning a hockey team in the US is correct or not.

I spent most of my racing career in the world sports car championship/world endurance championship, generally considered (at the time) to be one tier below F1. My blog also has a lot of my career facts/history/documents etc. Most of my former racing history is in paper form in book/reference books (such as the various Official Le Mans Yearbooks) etc.

As to the person questioning something about my company, Maidstone Scuba, if you look at the 'Meet our team of PADI instructors' on the website, you'll see I am still the Director of Maidstone Scuba School, althow I have just seen that I am shown as being 61, which is incorrect.

Because what happened to me back in 1993/4, I have always freely publish (albeit with helpers) everything. Therefore everything mentioned about me is already in the public domain and therefore their is no breach of any copyright.

I'm now almost 70, and anything internet is usually handled for me by various very kind 'helpers'.

I'm not a lot of good at any of this internet stuff but can be contacted by old-fashioned phone (Redacted). I attempted to add my email address but it wont allow me to do that! Their is a messaging system on Maidstone Scuba so you can contact me on that if needed. if I can assist any further.

John 77.101.199.59 (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@77.101.199.59: Hi John. Do you know whether you have been covered in-depth in independent sources? E.g. stories focusing about you in newspapers, racing magazines, etc.? If so, let us know and that could be able to rescue the article. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there will be lots of stuff but I'd have to search through boxes and I'm about to leave tomorrow for Birmingham for a protest outside the offices of the CCRC on Friday (we're hoping it might hit the headlines)!

I do remember putting a Post of a German magazine on my Facebook page a few years ago (probably 2014/15) that did a feature of some sort about me but I have no idea what it said, as it was all in German, but it did have various photos of my Team. I have enough trouble with english as I'm very dyslexic!

I will defiantly have Le Mans year books for 84/85/86/87 (the years we ran) but I'll have to find them, probably in the roof!

I do know Penthouse Magazine (who were sponsoring us that year) ran a full a 2 page article on us in 1987. I suspect it was published in the July or Aug edition, as Le Mans would have been June. I'll see if I can at least find the German article for a start but it probably won't be until I get back. Thanks, John 77.101.199.59 (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should have been "definitely", not defiantly!!!

Anyway, I've found it, but still no idea what it says. It was 'RTL GP magazine' and I put it on my facebook page on 3rd Feb 2015. On the front cover it mentions Features on Lamborghini, De Tomaso and Bardon, a car we ran in 85/86/87 in WSPC. The Bardon was the Group C car I developed in 1996. The name was a mix of BAR (me) and DON (Robin Donovan). Robin was one of my regular co-drivers and is listed on Wikipedia.

I have just re posted the magazine on my Facebook page as a memory.

Hope this helps but I'm going to be away until next week now (longer if I'm arrested)!

John 77.101.199.59 (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added the message below to BeanieFan11 last night but I don't know if you also got to see that message? I will now be away until next week but I have added my direct contact info below. John

My name is John Bartlett (the John Bartlett you are discussing). I have just been alerted to this situation. I'm not very internet savvy so not sure if I'm supposed to even comment but have been directed to this discussion.

Having now viewed the various comments here I thought I should perhaps point out that my actual blog/website already has my medical history published (including the MRI scans somebody mentioned, which in fact have my name on the top of the scan, albeit very small). The MRI scan on my website site is bigger so it's easier to see my name.

Re the other "John Bartlett" someone referred to as owning a US hockey team (I think). That person bears no relation to me, so is clearly a different John Bartlett! I therefore have no idea if what is being said about him owning a hockey team in the US is correct or not.

I spent most of my racing career in the world sports car championship/world endurance championship, generally considered (at the time) to be one tier below F1. My blog also has a lot of my career facts/history/documents etc. Most of my former racing history is in paper form in book/reference books (such as the various Official Le Mans Yearbooks) etc.

As to the person questioning something about my company, Maidstone Scuba, if you look at the 'Meet our team of PADI instructors' on the website, you'll see I am still the Director of Maidstone Scuba School, althow I have just seen that I am shown as being 61, which is incorrect.

Because what happened to me back in 1993/4, I have always freely publish (albeit with helpers) everything. Therefore everything mentioned about me is already in the public domain and therefore their is no breach of any copyright.

I'm now almost 70, and anything internet is usually handled for me by various very kind 'helpers'.

I'm not a lot of good at any of this internet stuff but can be contacted by old-fashioned phone ([REDACTED]). I attempted to add my email address but it wont allow me to do that! Their is a messaging system on Maidstone Scuba so you can contact me on that if needed. if I can assist any further.

John 77.101.199.59 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read your message. I'll see if I look into the German article / Facebook post soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - propose closure of this AfD so that the normal BLP process can continue elsewhere on the talkpage and WP:BLPN per WP:BIOSELF JMWt (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've posted some potential sources on the article talk page. Porterjoh (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giuliano Avaca

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A case of WP:TOOSOON. All the sources in the article are primary and I am unable to find enough independent coverage in my searches to meet WP:GNG. I came across a couple transactional announcements 1, 2, 3, but no sustained or in-depth coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON. Coverage is increasing but probably doesn't meet WP:GNG at the moment. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Consensus among participants who took the trouble to carefully analyze the sources seems clear. Owen× ☎ 19:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Nanetti

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This footballer, who seems to have never played in the top 3 tiers in Italy or top 4 tiers in England, was deemed non-notable in an AfD discussion in 2020. I can't find signicant coverage in reliable sources published since then that would suggest he is now notable – per WP:GNG, as WP:NFOOTBALL is obsolete. The article content is not the same as the version deleted in 2020, so WP:CSD#G4 does not apply. ^Complex/_Rational 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54] among many more English and Italian sources. Clearly siginifciant figure in English lower league football with extnsive career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of these sources, The Sun and Daily Mail are not considered reliable (deprecated, as documented at WP:RS/PS), and several others are blogs/tabloids which have similar shortcomings. Is there anything in more reputed sources such as BBC, Sky News, The Guardian, etc.? ^Complex/_Rational 20:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. seems okay, but not sure it's WP:SIGCOV, 2. per WP:THESUN, The Sun is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability, 3. very short, mostly quotes 4. short, mostly quotes, 5. a Wordpress blog – is the author a "subject-matter expert"?, 6. very short, mostly quotes, 7. short, mostly quotes, 8. one sentence mentions him, 9. per WP:DAILYMAIL, The Daily Mail is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability. So, of the nine sources you listed, one might be SIGCOV. Based on these sources alone, I don't see that Nannetti's a clearly significiant figure in English lower league football. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per @Das osmnezz. Svartner (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, All many the sources from a variety of newspapers/news portals above are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not consider The Sun reliable for anything. Giant Snowman 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Even besides that, my other points still stand. Put together, even without the "tabloid newspapers", all the other sources from the newspapers and news portals like Gianlucadimzarzio show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed your sources prior to my !vote and nothing has changed my mind since. Giant Snowman 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article fail WP:SIRS, and the sources listed above none are independent significal coverage addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't think the heavily-interview-based sources noted above are enough for GNG. Tabloids and other deprecated sources obviously are unacceptable in BLPs and should be removed on-sight. JoelleJay (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Sun is most certainly not reliable for BLPs, which require high-quality sourcing. JoelleJay (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - my stance hasn't changed since my original source analysis at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Nanetti. I'm not convinced that any of the new sources in this discussion address the previous reasons for deletion. Those that offer more than trivial coverage are of questionable reliability as addressed several times above; The Sun, Daily Mail and Wordpress are not acceptable sources for BLPs and do not confer notability in any case. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Definitely enough to pass WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taichi Takahashi

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Japanese rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. This was the closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that I found, containing a handful of sentences of coverage, but no in-depth or sustained coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep From the interview provided, his Japanese Wikipedia, and googling his Japanese name (高橋汰地) there looks to be enough here for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- None of the six sources in his Japanese article have any WP:SIGCOV. Feel free to present any new sources you found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Couple of lengthly profiles here and here. this, this and this all found just by googling his name. A more in depth search (perhaps by someone with better access to Japanese sourcing than myself as a lot is restricted here) will likely find more Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for presenting these. JTtheOG (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first one is from the JRFU (see the copyright at the bottom) and the second is by the same affiliate. The others just seem like routine reporting of press conferences without much independent contribution, especially the last one. JoelleJay (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Sourcing seems restricted to routine coverage of press announcements and interviews rather than independent in-depth profiles. Not convinced the subject meets SPORTCRIT. JoelleJay (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and JoelleJay lacks indepth coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martín Gaitán

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All citations are profiles. No news coverage can be found. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not sure a proper WP:BEFORE has been done on this one. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing, and foreign Wikipedias also have sourcing. Given his career with a number of caps and World Cup appearances as well as playing in Europe this isn't particularly surprising. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I find a bit of coverage for a blind football player [55], but there is no coverage for this rugby person. Delete for a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: French wiki article lists what seem to be newspaper stories about this person, but there are no online links to them, so I can't evaluate how good they are. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Keep, per the offline sources at the French Wikipedia and per Rugbyfan22. The titles seem to translate to "Gaïtan: 'hope'", "The pleasure of Gaïtan", "Martin Gaitan, the miraculous", and "The eye of Martin Gaitan", all of which, based on the titles, appear to be highly likely significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY. This is the difference between the article at nomination and in its current much improved condition. I'm going to accept the presented sources from the French Wikipedia in good faith, and trust the article there will be improved. BusterD (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coaches and sports managers are likely to be notable. On that basis, per WP:HEY leaning on considering the article which has been developed. Maybe ther was a bit WP:BEFORE bypass by the nominator. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonçalo Foro

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career, albeit for a minor nation, however a simple search is bringing up coverage. I imagine there will highly likely be more offline or not easily accessible non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Having an extensive career is not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link them here. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We also don't give weight of location, because there maybe system bias from you saying "of a minor nation". Maybe I misunderstood that and still will need correction. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP article fails GNG, ANYBIO, and WP:SPORTSPERSON which was recently revised for this exact situation and requires at least one independent reliable source which directly details the subject. BusterD (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No established form of notability. Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 03:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silviu Florea

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career with 3 World Cups, a considerable number of caps and appearances in major competitions. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe these help:
I'm not saying that each of these are "in-depth coverage", but they may help someone looking to add sources to the article, so it can be kept. Razvan Socol (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#2 is a primary source, but the third article seems to have some pretty good coverage... JTtheOG (talk)

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Keep per the references added above, which establish notability. Frank Anchor 03:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lotu Filipine

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Only one brief article exists [here https://www.looptonga.com/business/lotu-filipine-wins-500-cash-digicel-tonga-easter-promotion-91903], which is not enough. Shinadamina (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: the article I linked to, is not even about his career and may not be him. Shinadamina (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's also a sexual harassment incident when he was captain of the Tonga under-21 team [56]. There should be more on this, but it would require digging in NewzText, which I don't have access to. IdiotSavant (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep World Cup player and a simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing coverage. There is likely more coverage offline also from the time of his career and locations of his playing career. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players.Lacks WP:SIGCOV for standalone article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players as suggested above. None of the sources applied, presented or found brings this subject past WP:SPORTSPERSON which specifies at least one reliable source directly detailing the subject. BusterD (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players: Doesn't fully meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:SIGCOV, hence, I agree to redirect. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players: Doesn't meet WP:SPORTSCRIT or WP:SIGCOV, per Safari Scribe. History6042 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Otar Eloshvili

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 2 World Cups for a reasonable rugby nation, and a career in France. Few bits found in a simple search such as this. It is highly likely that more sourcing exists offline or in difficult to access non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The link you provided is mostly an interview, which is considered unreliable and not a proper citation for notability, betides one link hardly makes someone notable. Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Should be notable with the World Cup appearances, but there aren't enough of them beyond simple confirmation [57] of him playing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also tried a Gnews search with .fr websites, you can only find photos or him being mentioned in articles about other things, I don't see enough to build even a basic article about him. Oaktree b (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Georgia national rugby union players: While coverage is likely to exist, I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV due to the subject's age and country of origin. JTtheOG (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Georgia national rugby union players.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Giorgi Elizbarashvili

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Quite a few caps and appeared at a World Cup for a reasonable rugby nation, and a career in France. Few bits found in a simple search. It is highly likely that more sourcing exists offline or in difficult to access non-English language sourcing. At worst can be redirected to List of Georgia national rugby union players. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shinadamina: Prior to February 2022, appearing in a top-level league or international game was enough to guarantee notability for individual players. An RfC on the guideline that month removed all such notability criteria from NSPORT, but people still invoke those obsoleted criteria because they haven't looked at the guideline as of late. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Georgia national rugby union players: While coverage is likely to exist ("the fastest winger in the country" 1), I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV due to the subject's age and country of origin. JTtheOG (talk) 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Enele Taufa

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Citations are profiles. Does not meet requirements of WP:NSPORT. Not other news can be found about them. Shinadamina (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided: As a world cup player there should be more written about him, but if nothing can be found then delete due to lack of references. Mn1548 (talk) 13:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Few caps and a World Cup for a reasonable nation. Few bits found in a simple search but it is highly likely that more exists in offline sourcing given the time of his career. At worst can be redirected to List of Tonga national rugby union players. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have found no sources with significant coverage. Doesn't meet NSPORT or GNG. Toadspike [Talk] 16:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 01:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Claude Saclag

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Subject does not meet WP:NKICK criteria, as well as does not have significant coverage. Passing mentions and event results are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep According to WP:WPMA/N, I believe he meets criteria 3 & 4. #3 because he is a former world champion (2014 Sanda World Cup Champion) and #4 because he has won multiple medals from tournaments such as the Asian Games and the Southeast Asian Games. D-Flo27 (talk) 07:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Asian Games, SEA Games and "Wushu Championships" do not constitute enough weight in martial arts to warrant a wiki page. We have to rely on WP:GNG and subject needs to have significant coverage in independent and reliable media outlet. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? The Asian Games and the SEA Games are the biggest tournaments in their regions. There are other Asian martial artists who have claimed notability through these tournaments such as Agatha Wong, Sun Peiyuan, Naorem Roshibina Devi, and a lot more. D-Flo27 (talk) 03:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you read on the top of WP:WPMA/N, it states that this is " an essay on notability". It is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guidelines and in no way supersedes WP:BIO. Therefore as of right now, their discipline "Wushu" do not have established notability guidelines. I have not taken a look at the three other subjects you mentioned, but the only way for them to have a stand alone article is by meeting WP:GNG. As for Jean Claude Saclag, routine coverage of events and lack of WP:SIGCOV  , I don't see indication that we have the type of coverage required to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Best regards.   Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete He's definitely had some success, but I don't think enough to show he's WP notable. Coverage basically consists of results reporting and coverage of him wanting to turn pro--all of which seems fairly typical. His three SEA gold medals in kickboxing were apparently as an amateur and WP:NKICK specifically states "Kickboxers who have an amateur background exclusively are not notable unless the person has been the subject examined in detail (more than a single paragraph) in several reliable third-party sources (at least four), excluding local publications." Saclag appears to fail that criteria. The fact that others have articles with similar achievements falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. His bronze at the wushu world championships is good, but the Sanda World Cup is an invitational event for 8 fighters per division and carries less weight (at least to me). I've held off voting because I was hoping other references might come to light, but right now I'm just not seeing him meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isaac Álvarez (footballer)

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has only two datbase entry / stats sources. Main statement is that he was on the team for a South American championship but didn't play. North8000 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: From the DICCIONARIO BIOGRAFICO DEL FUTBOL BOLIVIANO (1930-2000):

"Nombre completo: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Apodo: La “Araña negra”. Nacimiento: Cochabamba, 6 de julio de 1933. Posición: Guardameta, No 1. Padres: ..... Esposa: ..... Hijos: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Estudios: Primaria Escuela Carrillo, Secundaria Colegio Carrillo de Cochabamba. Otros Estudios: INSEF. Profesor de Educación Física. Cursos de Dirección Técnica. Clubes: En el Club 31 de Octubre (1963), de La Paz. Participación en la selección: Es Campeón Sudamericano de 1963. Jugó por la selección boliviana dos partidos oficiales (1963-1965) y fue batido en tres oportunidades. Es Campeón Sudamericano Invicto 1963. No tuvo participación oficial en dicho campeonato figurando en la banca. Dirección Técnica: Fue Preparador Físico en The 16 Strongest (1990). Otros Datos: Practicó el Atletismo, el Básquetbol, el Voleibol y el Fútbol. Distinciones: El gobierno mediante la repartición respectiva condecoró con la Medalla al Mérito Deportivo en el Grado de Caballero del Deporte, al cumplirse los 40 años de la conquista del XXI Campeonato Sudamericano. Además de ser acreedor a la pensión vitalicia de 4 sueldos mínimos mensuales."

There is also a bit of coverage here, which although not published in a reliable source, is definitely more evidence of notability. JTtheOG (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What's wrong with the ~170 word encyclopedia entry listed above? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Based on Google Translate, it covers the names of his children and the schools he went to in brief list form, and then briefly covers his playing career and then his pension... it's not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It gives a decent enough bit of coverage for SIGCOV I think:

Full name: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Nickname: The “Black Spider”. Birth: Cochabamba, July 6, 1933. Position: Goalkeeper, No 1. Parents: ..... Wife: ..... Children: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Studies: Primary School Carrillo, Secondary School Carrillo de Cochabamba. Other Studies: INSEF. Physical Education Teacher. Technical Management Courses. Clubs: At the 31 de Octubre Club (1963), in La Paz. Participation in the national team: He is the 1963 South American Champion. He played for the Bolivian team in two official matches (1963-1965) and was beaten three times. He is the 1963 Undefeated South American Champion. He had no official participation in said championship, appearing on the bench. Technical Direction: He was a Physical Trainer on The 16 Strongest (1990). Other Information: He played Athletics, Basketball, Volleyball and Soccer. Distinctions: The government, through the respective distribution, awarded the Medal of Sports Merit in the Degree of Knight of Sports, on the 40th anniversary of the conquest of the XXI South American Championship. In addition to being a creditor of the lifetime pension of 4 minimum monthly salaries

- Probably could use more sources though... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The above source is pretty comprehensive and he definetly has more offline sources, having won the 1963 South American Championship with the Bolivia national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete—One unsourced encyclopedia entry means very little. In my view, this does not come close to sustained and significant coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 21:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. I actually think the encyclopedia entry does show prominence, especially as it mentions that he was given what seems to be a prominent sports medal by the government and that the Bolivian government granted him a lifetime pension for his sporting career. The blog post, while a blog, should also be considered here as it mentions he was "one of the glories" (of his club?). Considering that no Bolivian sources from the time have been searched, I'd lean towards keeping, considering that it is highly likely someone of such prominence would receive SIGCOV and we already arguably have SIGCOV in the encyclopedia entry for WP:SPORTCRIT. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You make good points. I think a "no consensus" is probably the best outcome here, as this article needs a deeper dive. Anwegmann (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite backups for the encyclopedia. I understand what you mean but for the articles state currently, there is no SIGCOV. I also understand that you argue of possible existing sources, can you help digging? I can't give much weight of the encyclopedia. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Backups for the encyclopedia? What do you mean? Why is an encyclopedia discussing the most important Bolivian footballers not to be given any weight, especially when it says the government though him to be such an important player that they granted him a lifetime pension? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I disagree with the no consensus outcome. How a whole discussion should be on an encyclopedia that didn't give much per WP:SIGCOV. The fact proven is that the footballer isn't notable to the measure of being entered as an article. There are much sources needed to prove all claims in the article as well as being direct of how sources are analyzed. This may meet GNG but for the fact that we can't say a little written about him is enough for citing sources. Its not even a biographical book. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 01:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sirimongkol Rattanapoom

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Nothing has been written that suggests notability, and any argument like there being sources that are full-length can shake the elephant in the room, the Catch-22 if you will: if this player is so notable, why isn't he playing? He's played zero minutes this season in Belgium's amateur third division. He has no international appearances, and in all due respect it's easier to be chosen for Thailand than for Brazil or Spain. He's 22 this month, so if he's some special player who passes WP:GNG without any professional appearances, when are they going to come? I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press, but a 22-year-old at an amateur Belgian club is clearly a different kettle of fish. While I disagree with the old WP:NFOOTY regulation that a player was notable as soon as they made one professional appearance, it's a good measure at least. Also bear in mind that [58] this source comes from King Power, the Thai company that owns his Belgian club, so it is not independent anyway. Additionally, the creator made this article as an incomprehensible quote farm from Google Translate, suggesting an unfamiliarity with Thai sources. [59] Unknown Temptation (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [60], [61], [62], [63], [64], among manu more Thai sources. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Google Translate: source 1 is brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium; source 2 is not independent as per the nom; source 3 is paywalled; source 4 is routine transfer coverage; and source 5 is brief coverage about him playing for Thailand under-23. Where is the significant coverage? Giant Snowman 20:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know how you interpreted the first source to be "brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium", it is about him and most of the text is solely about his background alone. The third source is also not paywalled. The fourth source is sedifnityl not "routine transfer coverage" since he joined the team much earlier and it goes into his background as well. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career who has played for the Thaialnd olympic team and is one of few players abroad. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Olympic team is an under-23 team. Footballers at the Olympics get some coverage, but per Football at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament, the only Thai going there at all is a VAR. As I said before, it's not hard to play senior football for Thailand, so if this guy is so great, why isn't he? Why are we treating someone as an exceptional promise for the future if he can't play for Thailand or for a third-division Belgian club when he's 22? Is that really an "ongoing career"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, the sources are good. Your other argument doesnt make sense because there are lots of notable footballers with good sources with Wikipedia pages who have not played for Thailand and saying its "not hard to play for Thailand" is completely dismissive. On the contrary, he is considered skilled enough to play abroad, which few Thai players do. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press – that may be the case, but I'm not sure there's any policy-based guidance that defines "hype press" or categorises them as unreliable for the GNG's purposes. That said, the Ballthai article appears to be the only in-depth piece of independent coverage. The others are brief updates and short interviews. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the Ballthai one, the other sources contain secondary coverage like "showed impressive form... is a versatile player in Midfield position Able to play both offense and defense. His highlight is his sharp reading of the game. And the interception is quite accurate. He is the third generation product of the Fox Hunt program" etc. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 11:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, they're brief. Maybe they could be considered significant taken together, but that's up to interpretation; I'm not yet convinced either way. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep—I tend to side with the argument that this type of coverage doesn't have much meaning, but there is clearly coverage of this player individually that is not necessarily local, part of match reports, or passing. The quality might be poor, but taken as a whole, there is enough coverage to meet the most basic requirements of WP:SIGCOV. Otherwise, I would vote to draftify based on WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hovhannes Mkrtchyan

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Ineligible for PROD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Single EL source in article is not an independent source addressing the subject directly and indepth, BEFORE found nothing that meets WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 23:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NSKATE; sources do not appear to pass GNG. --Enos733 (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 05:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maicol Azzolini

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Italian rugby player who fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I found this interview and a couple of transactional announcements (1, 2, 3), but nothing substantial. JTtheOG (talk) 02:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think there is just about enough here to suggest a WP:GNG pass. Obviously a lot of team announcements and transactional stuff, but there are a few bits in there that could pass WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. This AFD is proof that sometimes editors show up after a relist or two. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Sherman (climber)

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A very long standing, since 2005, and short article supported only by the title character's own books. Nothing independent and nothing reliable. Undoubtedly well known in their specialist circle but no evidence of notability as understood by Wikipedia . Searches find his books and , many photos including beer drinking on a rock face and very many web pages with the Wikipedia text. Difficult to say which came firts and to determione whether this is simply 100% copy vio, but with a start date in 2005, it is likely that this is being mirrored (without acknowldgement) in many other places. Fails WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 22:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Only just saw this now. I have sympathy for the nom as any WP:BASIC gives patchy sourcing, but Sherman is considered one of the founders of modern bouldering and the inventor of the now dominant V-grade scale (the "V" is believed to be his nickname 0f "Vermin"). Hope this is helpful. Aszx5000 (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2011, Geographic did a piece on him and saying John “Verm” Sherman is a legend among us. He pioneered bouldering and invented the V-scale for grading bouldering problems. He also championed the development of bouldering at Hueco Tanks, Texas. Quite a legacy.
In 2022, the York Times did a piece on bouldering being an Olympic sport, with Sherman, saying He went on to spend the next 50 years creating new boulder routes — called “problems” in the sport — and helped popularize bouldering through books, articles and outrageous stunts.
In 2022, when Outside did a piece on 12 Great Moments in Bouldering History, they opened it by explaining the effect of Sherman's V-scale on bouldering, and their sister publication, Climbing, has several articles that have sections that discuss his contributions here.
He has written several notable bouldering books that get coverage in the main climbing media (per WP:NCLIMBER), such as the American Alpine Journal, Climbing, and Gripped Magazine (Canada) who ranked him in their 10 Most Influential North American Climbing Titles.

Keep Standards were far lower in 2005, and notability should not be assessed on that basis. Sherman is mentioned five times in the 2002 book Wizards of Rock: A History of Free Climbing in America by Pat Ament. On page 244, Ament wrote that in 1980, "John Sherman began to establish himself as one of the leading boulderers." I own the book. Here is coverage in Climbing magazine. Here is coverage by the American Alpine Club. Here is more coverage in Climbing magazine, with Sherman's name in the title of the article. Here is coverage in Texas Monthly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly a notable figure in his field who has received sufficient independent coverage from WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Kizito

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT as I am unable to find anything more than trivial mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's quite a lot of coverage here, in this brief profile, this, this, this and this. Whether when combined it's enough to reach WP:GNG I'm not sure, but with what we have and what is likely available offline I think it's worth a weak keep, although I'd suggest a redirect to Kenya international players if a list did exist. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : Nice try, but lacks reliable references. Two of the references on the page are dead, and those who are live barely qualify as substantial. Of the sources provided by User:Rugbyfan22, the last one could contribute towards notability, but we’d need a few more, and in different sources for this one to pass. Would support redirect to a Kenya International Players list, if someone creates one. ANairobian (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Iaria

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The subject played for the Italy national rugby league team, but I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. BLPs require strong sourcing and all I really found was four sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided: Large scope for expansion, but not enough coverage to warrant keeping article in current state. Mn1548 (talk) 13:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are a few articles giving background info about him in the The Mail: [65], Love RL: [66] and Total RL: [67]. Also there are sources in which the name is given as "Ilaria" or "Laria". EdwardUK (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per sources provided above by EdwardUK, this appears to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 01:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asim Munir (cricketer)

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Subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Utterly pointless nomination, obviously missed the outcome of the first AfD. AA (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The previous nomination closed as no consensus 56 days ago. Possibly a little soon for a renomination, but there is no requirement that a person wait any amount of time after a NC close. Frank Anchor 16:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without a proper rationale, it's hard to consider your vote when the time comes to close this discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think by referring to the prior AFD, AA is implying that their rationale there still applies: 64 matches at the highest domestic level, likely to be coverage in Pakistan too. Unlike western media archives (like Gale, BNA, Trove), Pakistan print media remains largely non-digitalized. Common sense should dictate that in cases where a large number of matches are played by a cricketer, they are likely to be notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (copying my vote from the previous AFD, which still applies in full). The subject played 64 matches at the highest domestic level. Seems like a case where WP:COMMONSENSE needs to prevail, even if the references aren't quite to the level of GNG. Frank Anchor 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep My comments remain the same as the previous AfD. It is highly likely that there is offline sourcing or non-English language sourcing that is difficult to access that would pass the subject for WP:GNG given the career he had. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep read the last AFD, fully concur with the keep voters there. Most likely passes WP:GNG Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom fails WP:SIGCOV. No proof offered - per WP:NCRIC cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof.. Closing admin should ignore keep votes that couldn't find any significant coverage. 103.125.122.179 (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — 103.125.122.179 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- And likewise, unless a convincing explanation can be offered, this comment by an IP that has never edited before and is likely a WP:SOCK should be discounted; not to mention that NCRIC is a guideline and common sense is allowed to be used. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  IP links to Bangladesh, but definitely a WP:SOCK of someone. Checkuser? AA (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment about the relisting while taking no sides: On the one hand, the sock suggestion is serious. On the other hand, all information as of this relisting comes only from a single source: CricketArchive. Even if the self-proclaimed "most comprehensive, searchable and trusted cricket database in the world" turns out to be valid and reliable, a notable individual should pop up in other sources as well. If other valid sources worth adding exist, great. If not, that may pose a problem. It would be nice for this not to end in another "no consensus" again so soon after the last one. I'm saying this here because it seems a bit long for a formal relisting comment. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the last AFD (should not have been renominated so soon and I question how the nom came across it) and my rationale there. We need to use common sense. Unless someone can prove that some source from the era in Pakistan was searched in, then one cannot claim that this fails GNG – from my comment at the last AFD: it does seem the best option to be on the side of [common sense] for someone who seems ... to have played 64 top-tier matches in the fifth-most populous country in the world in its most popular sport. It is highly unlikely a person of such accomplishments would not have gained any coverage. I also question how four valid "keeps" plus one "delete from a sock" – which should be given no weight – equals "relist"... BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH, and as of today the IP has not been blocked. Consensus changes and one of the bolded keep votes didn't reference any policy. [User:Let'srun|Let'srun]] (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the IP has not been blocked does not mean the almost certain sock should be given full weight. Common sense is absolutely a policy. Also, if you think my concerns about the nom are unfounded, would you tell me exactly how you came across this article, then? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:AOBF. I also wasn't referring to that vote. Let'srun (talk) 21:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What were you referring to, then? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first vote. Let'srun (talk) 21:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I guess I missed the "one of" part from "one of the bolded keep votes didn't reference any policy" – though I think the !vote implied that the rationale of keeping per common sense at the last AFD still applied, as I said above. Still think AA's !vote should be given weight. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: CricketArchive is a directory, not a secondary source. WP:MUSTBESOURCES is a flimsy argument at the best of times, but for a BLP, it's a non-argument. Without independent secondary sources providing SIGCOV for this BLP, we don't really have any options. Owen× ☎ 15:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- We are allowed to use common sense. It is invalid to argue the article fails notability when no one has searched in Pakistani sources whatsoever! BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yeah, that's exactly the MUSTBESOURCES I was talking about. Owen× ☎ 16:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It simply makes no sense to delete articles when no one has searched for coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Well then, perhaps you should rewrite the WP:N and WP:BLP policies to a version that makes more sense to you, BeanieFan11. As they are written now, unless and until we find those sources, we can't have an article about anything, let alone a living person. Owen× ☎ 16:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That's why IAR / common sense exists. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Of course. Who needs all those pesky policies and gnarly guidelines when we have our WP:IAR trump card in our back pocket, right? Owen× ☎ 16:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Notability is a guideline; Editors should generally follow it, though exceptions may apply. This is one of the rare exceptions. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  IAR is not a trump card, but an understanding that Wikipedia’s policies are not perfect and there are cases in which the rules need not rigidly apply. OwenX, as an admin and consistent contributor to AFD/DRV discussions, should know this, even if he doesn’t agree with this particular application of IAR. Frank Anchor 00:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. CricketArchive is a stats directory; every single one of the sources cited for this BLP is a prose-less table of primary data and therefore is unacceptable per N, OR, and BLP (Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. ... Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies.) . Per NSPORT, the burden is on those wanting to keep to establish there is high likelihood of the subject meeting GNG; to do that, NSPORT requires a source of IRS SIGCOV be cited in the article. No one has demonstrated such a source exists in the 4+ weeks + 60 days this subject has been in focus. IAR is meant to be employed in exceptional circumstances, not for literally every athlete meeting some participation criterion who "might" have offline sources, which is how it is regularly being used by certain keep !voters. If playing some number of first-class domestic matches -- which are not the top tier of cricket -- was a reasonable threshold for presuming GNG we would have guidelines stating as much rather than a guideline explicitly stating that sufficient coverage is not expected for that level of play: Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket,[a] may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof.

At some point the repeated invocation of deprecated notability guidelines disguised as IAR becomes disruptive. !Votes that are devoid of any P&G basis -- and especially ones that actively defy P&Gs -- should not just be automatically given weight, much less elevated to the same weight as P&G-based !votes, any time the !voter mentions the magic phrase "IAR". That completely defeats the purpose of consensus policy stating Responses indicating individual explanations of positions using Wikipedia policies and guidelines are given the highest weight. JoelleJay (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s funny that JoelleJay suggests that Responses indicating individual explanations of positions using Wikipedia policies and guidelines are given the highest weight, but seems to forget that WP:IAR in fact IS A POLICY, and the fundamental policy behind one of Wikipedia’s five pillars. The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions (emphasis mine). Having an article on a person who played 64 matches at the highest domestic level can easily be considered one of these exceptions. Frank Anchor 22:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So your claim is that IAR, which is supposed to be just as exceptional at AfD as it is everywhere else, must be applied to everyone playing some arbitrary number of matches at the highest domestic level (which would be 23, not 64) in Pakistan, despite 1) participation-based criteria explicitly being deprecated by global consensus; 2) the requirement for a SIGCOV source cited in all sportsperson bios, regardless of subject location or time period, receiving overwhelming global support; 3) the guidelines written by the cricket project itself explicitly stating playing at this level requires proof of coverage to even warrant the same presumption of GNG coverage existing afforded to Test cricketers; 4) NO ONE finding a single hint of a source in either the first AfD or this one; 5) NO ONE demonstrating why we can presume 23 first-class matches in Pakistan corresponds to SIGCOV; and 6) zero evidence being presented to explain why this page in particular, consisting exclusively of some unremarkable blandly-prosified stats that AA chose to emphasize and synthesize based on his interpretation of multiple sources of primary data, is so essential to Wikipedia that our POLICY of Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. and our POLICY that BLPs only rely on primary sources when they have already been discussed by secondary sources (Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies.) and our POLICY that The idea expressed in Eventualism—that every Wikipedia article is a work in progress, and that it is therefore okay for an article to be temporarily unbalanced because it will eventually be brought into shape—does not apply to biographies can be overridden because some editors have decided that per IAR PoLiCY we can completely ignore Wikipedia policy requires that articles and information comply with core content policies (verifiability, no original research or synthesis, neutral point of view, copyright, and biographies of living persons) as applicable. These policies are not negotiable, and cannot be superseded by any other guidelines or by editors' consensus. A closing admin must determine whether an article violates these content policies.

Please tell me where Per "ignore all rules", a local consensus can suspend a guideline in a particular case where suspension is in the encyclopedia's best interests, but this should be no less exceptional in deletion than in any other area. says consensus in a particular case can suspend multiple guidelines, let alone multiple policies, and be so utterly non-specific to the attributes of the actual subject that this precise reasoning for a "one-time suspension" could be (and will be) deployed for literally dozens of other subjects. JoelleJay (talk) 18:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, I never stated or implied Per "ignore all rules", a local consensus can suspend a guideline in a particular case where suspension is in the encyclopedia's best interests, but this should be no less exceptional in deletion than in any other area. Nor has any other keep !voter implied this. Also, IAR is not a guideline or editors' consensus but rather a policy. So your WP:WALLOFTEXT leading to the argument that content policies can't be superseded by local consensus or guidelines, while correct, is irrelevant in this application. Frank Anchor 19:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raphaël Bohren

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Fails WP:NSKATE; a silver or bronze medal at the national championships to not meet the criteria of NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:NSKATE #2 requires gold in national championship. My deprod was in error. Apologies. ~Kvng (talk) 19:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roxana Boamfă

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Fails WP:NSKATE; a silver or bronze medal at the national championships to not meet the criteria of NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:NSKATE #2 requires gold in national championship. My deprod was in error. Apologies. ~Kvng (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There are a whole bunch of similarly deficient nominations. Really, such blanket nominations without evidence of WP:BEFORE and consideration of WP:ATD should be all procedurally kept as WP:SKCRIT#3 given lack of a valid deletion rationale as WP:NSKATE is indicative that sigcov is likely, and is not presumptive/determinative, so someone could meet none of the NSKATE criteria but still meet WP:SPORTCRIT for some reason. And !votes relying only on NSKATE are likewise invalid. That said, it's quite possible that most of these should be delete or redirect results. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 01:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails NSKATE. I am not finding any sources that would meet GNG. --Enos733 (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Owen Buckley

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were transactional announcements (1, 2) with a combined five-ish sentences of independent coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided: Sufficient room for expansion, but not enough coverage in current state. Mn1548 (talk) 13:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I was able to find this source, which I think is detailed enough be considered non-trivial, but it's a local media article, so it's pretty borderline. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transactional announcements such as signings and trades are not considered in-depth sourcing, especially when most of it is in quotes. JTtheOG (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete I lean to delete as not quite meeting notability guidelines but will support the consensus of the group of editors. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Tjåland

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You call it churnalism, I call it journalism. Ortizesp (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Each of the keep assertions in this process make claims of notability. Let's examine those claims: 1) Passes WP:GNG with WP:Significant coverage? The burden is on those wanting to keep, and this page is wanting sourcing which directly details, as WP:SPORTSPERSON requires. 2) Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources? So what? None of those adjectives or sources directly details the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. We have stats and routine sportsnews mostly linked to a relative. This is a biography for a living person. Delete. BusterD (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify—This is very obviously an example of WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject currently does not have the independent, reliable coverage providing WP:SIGCOV of the subject. As such, this BLP does not meet the WP:GNG. The first 5 sources are primary, while most of the remainder are routine. Possibly WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun (talk) 02:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Harris (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; not sure whether the rest qualifies as notable. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not meet WP:NSKATE and I am also not seeing much coverage on this person.Hkkingg (talk) 15:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Pretty clear-cut case of a WP:GNG pass, and WP:SPORTCRIT at the very least. Yet another poor nomination. JTtheOG (talk) 22:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The sources from the Windsor Star and Columbus Dispatch meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dubee

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Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (music)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jb45424 (talk • contribs) 12:44, April 29, 2024 (UTC)

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Found this during PROD patrol, and wanted to discuss it at AFD myself. The pros here are a short Allmusic review and two sizeable writeups at Rapreviews.com. I have no prior experience with Rapreviews.com, but the site is used for more than 100 wp articles. I'm leaning keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was able to find this article about the subject, and I would also describe myself as leaning keep. Hatman31 (talk) 17:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Fusitua

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Think there's just about enough when sourcing snippets are combined, such as this, this, this among others. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For future reference, a database profile and two primary sources do not come close to meeting GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per JTtheOG, can't see any thorough coverage of this person. David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 02:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a young player at the beginning of his career and he is playing regularly for the Blues now. There are already more sources available about this player than used for this stub and it is foreseeable that there will be more written about him in the future. Ruggalicious (talk) 23:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ruggalicious: Which sources did you find? JTtheOG (talk) 03:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus for deletion at this time. BD2412 T 21:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Lawlor

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WP:BLP of a sports figure, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for sportspeople. To be fair, at the time this was first created, Wikipedia had a consensus that simple presence at the Olympics was an automatic inclusion lock regardless of medal placement or sourcing issues -- but that's long since been deprecated, and a non-medalist now has to be shown to pass WP:GNG on their sourceability.
But a WP:BEFORE search turned up very little that could be used to salvage the article: apart from Olympic results reporting itself, I largely just get glancing namechecks of his existence and local high-school-athlete coverage rather than coverage that's substantively about him in any notability-building sense. I've further been completely unable to verify this article's claim that he was born in Sudbury — even the database entry present here as the article's sole source fails to claim that, and his local high-school-athlete coverage is found in Ottawa, not Sudbury. (And yes, I get that it's possible for people to be born in one place and then move to another, but we still need to be able to verify claims about a person's birthplace.)
Finishing ninth in an Olympic event just isn't "inherently" notable enough anymore to exempt him from ever having to have more reliable source coverage than I've been able to find. Bearcat (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Besides raising chickens in his backyard [68] -and it might not even be this person- nothing for notability. Aylmer is near Ottawa. Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. @Oaktree b and Bearcat: Passes GNG, see coverage at newspapers.com: Ottawa Citizen feature (p2), more Ottawa Citizen, Harbor City Star, and The Standard. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ottawa Citizen is the local hometown coverage I mentioned in my nomination statement, the St. Cat's Standard is just a short blurb that nominally verifies a fact but is not long enough to imbue said fact with any notability points, and the Harbour City Star hit is literally just an advertorial to sell aquatic sport clothing that Tyler Lawlor is modelling, not an article about Tyler Lawlor doing anything noteworthy. So the Ottawa Citizen is still all we've actually got for GNG-worthy coverage, and that's still "local guy" coverage in his hometown newspaper (i.e. not enough if it's all he's got). Bearcat (talk) 20:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ottawa Citizen is one of the largest newspapers in Canada, and as such should be given the full weight of a normal significant source (esp. considering that locality of coverage is irrelevant). The Harbour City Star piece: yes, it is about a business of Lawlor's, but it seems to be written by a valid journalist by a valid company (Southam Newspapers, owned by Postmedia Network) – it seems to have enough details on him IMO to be categorized as covering him "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" – as far as I'm aware a source does not need to cover someone for them doing something one subjectively things is "noteworthy" to be considered significant. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody dismissed the Ottawa Citizen on size grounds, but all newspapers can still cover local residents in local-interest contexts that don't necessarily clinch nationalized or internationalized notability in and of themselves for a person who has virtually nothing wider than just their hometown. For instance, a restaurant owner in Byward Market is not going to clear GNG just because a restaurant critic reviewed his restaurant in the Citizen, a local artist winning a local arts award from the SAW Gallery isn't going to clear NARTIST standards on that basis alone, and on and so forth. Even The New York Times features coverage of local people in local-interest contexts that don't establish permanent national or international notability all by themselves just because their local coverage came from The New York Times instead of the Palookaville Herald, because GNG does take into account the context of what the person is getting covered for and not just the raw number of hits that exist. Bearcat (talk) 01:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still only one source, I don't see quite enough for GNG or any sport notability as being met. I don't think we have notability, still a !delete for me. Oaktree b (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b and @Bearcat, there were actually four newspaper sources provided, not just one. Remember that a person does not need to be the sole subject (or even a primary subject) of a work for it to satisfy WP:GNG. I also disagree that "local" coverage is any less legitimate than national coverage in these papers, because their audience is the same, i.e. all Times subscribers will read it even if the subject is a New Yorker. For your specific examples (Byward Market restaurant owner, SAW Gallery award winner) – do you have specific examples of these types of subjects having articles deleted by community consensus? --Habst (talk) 14:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question of the geographic range of a newspaper's readership, it's a question of the context in which the coverage is being given. There have been literally thousands of articles taken to AFD and deleted on the grounds that having a couple of hits of local coverage was not in and of itself enough to overcome the person's lack of a nationalized or internationalized notability claim — high school athletes (e.g. Marquis Fleming), local artists (Laura BenAmots), mayors (Cathy Heron) or municipal councillors (Corky Boozé) or unelected candidates for office (Tiffany Ford), people whose sole claim of notability was winning a minor award of exclusively local significance (Bob Frantz), restaurateurs (Emilio Vitolo) and on and so forth.
Again, I didn't say that local coverage is entirely inadmissible for use — but having a couple of hits of local coverage isn't enough all by itself to overcome not passing WP:NSPORT. And I already addressed above why the St. Catharines Standard (a short blurb) and Harbour City Star (a fashion advertorial in which he's present as a model and not as the subject of discussion) aren't helping. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat, thanks, I am interested in seeing at least one of the thousands of examples. Of the ones you linked,

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marquis Fleming: Only one source was provided actually mentioning the subject by name, more are provided in this AfD.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laura BenAmots: No source links provided, not able to find any doing a web search either.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathy Heron: Only one link provided, five are provided here.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corky Boozé: Subject is a U.S. politician, and Wikipedia articles involving post-1992 U.S. politics have higher quality standards than those for sportspeople. Despite this, only two different newspaper sources were provided (plus one dead link), while this AfD has three different publications cited above.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany Ford: Again a politician, and no source links were provided.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Frantz: Only one source link provided and it's a dead link.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emilio Vitolo: No source links provided.

Based on this, it seems like it is very rare, if it has ever happened, that an article with as much coverage provided here has ever been deleted. I have an open mind, but I haven't been able to find any examples. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the number of links that are or aren't listed in the AFD discussion that matters, it's the number of sources that were or weren't present in the article that matters. They're all articles that cited a handful of local-interest coverage, which was deemed not sufficient in and of itself to exempt them from having to clear the defined SNGs for their occupations just because the articles had a bit of local-interest coverage in them. The rules for notability of people always work the same way no matter what occupation they were in: either they have an "inherent" notability claim that meets a defined notability criterion for their occupation, or they have a depth and range and volume of coverage that marks them out as a special case of significantly greater notability than the norm among all the other people in the same occupation who have failed to meet the "inherent" notability criteria. Local politicians do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage; local restaurateurs do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage; athletes who haven't otherwise passed NSPORTS do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage; and that always works the same way across all occupations. Bearcat (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat, I understand the distinction you are making, but it is one without a difference with respect to this discussion, because if we don't have the links to the actual sources, then we can't say that those articles were more well-sourced than this one.

> Local politicians do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage; local restaurateurs do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage; athletes who haven't otherwise passed NSPORTS do not get articles just because they have a couple of hits of local coverage

^ The above is what I'm looking for even one example of. All of the above AfDs linked have less available sources than this article, regardless of profession, so I don't think they are analogous. Until I find any evidence otherwise, I would have to disagree with the quoted text. --Habst (talk) 18:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per BeanieFan11. Themanwithnowifi (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per provided sources establishing WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. See my reply above to address nominator concerns. --Habst (talk) 14:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources read like local people doing local things of [[WP:ROTM]. Let'srun (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 06:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best sources I found were two sentences of coverage here and four-ish sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 18:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think with the sources found and a few other bits in a search, it's close to a WP:GNG pass. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A few independent-ish sentences interspersed within an interview are not enough for SPORTCRIT or GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Since this article is verifiable per sources that the player exist and has appeared in few sources though not ready for WP:SPORTSCRIT, Why not redirect to Free State Cheetahs#Current squad. This will better save the total deletion of this game/sports I don't know much about but have seen many of the articles being deleted. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy pinging to @JTtheOG, @Rugbyfan22, @JoelleJay, and @Okmrman for the above comment. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a fan of redirecting to current squads, as he could well not be in the next squad (I think his contract has just expired also). Realistically with the change in guidelines we need lists for teams like this, but I don't see there being the interest (given there's only a handful of rugby union editors left) in creating them, given the time required to do so. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can't redirect to the current squad since that will change. I think if everyone here agrees that there isn't GNG-level coverage of the subject, and no suitable redirect, then deletion is the only option. It's not like any info is being lost that wouldn't be recoverable from the current squad page history (i.e. that he was on the team in a particular year). JoelleJay (talk) 01:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not every player has enough coverage to warrant an article. Fails GNG, ANYBIO, and SPORTSPERSON. BusterD (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I thought redirecting could work but per comments, its not gonna help either. However, this doesn't meet the general notability guidelines, and I am not indoubt for deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. This has already gotten relisted twice to generate more discussion and clear consensus. No discussion has been generated. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart Bell (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; ineligible for PROD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ewart Potgieter

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found a transactional announcement, as well as coverage of an alleged criminal incident in Spain (1, 2, etc.), but nothing substantial. JTtheOG (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Think there's just about enough in the Spanish coverage combined with other bits for a weak WP:GNG pass. No real suitable redirect per WP:ATD here though. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails GNG and ANYBIO. The relevant SNG, WP:SPORTSPERSON requires at least once source which directly details the subject in RS. Nothing but stats here. BusterD (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no SIGCOV identified for this player. Owen× ☎ 22:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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