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=====<big>23 October 2014</big>=====
====<big>3 April 2016</big>====

{{SPI case status|Checked}}


;Suspected sockpuppets
;Suspected sockpuppets


* {{checkuser|1=Gomu gomu no pistol}}
* {{checkuser|1=AmitPaul23}}
* {{checkip|1=188.221.108.172}}
* {{checkuser|1=DJ SG Gayashan}}
* {{checkuser|1=Sajithgayashan}}
* {{checkip|1=185.129.70.61}}
* {{checkip|1=103.41.212.74}}
* {{checkip|1=119.30.32.120}}
* {{checkip|1=119.30.35.237}}
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Master created the ''[[List of notable 3D printed weapons and parts]]'' in September and added a 'See also' link to many articles such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AK-47&diff=627380702&oldid=627195119 this]. They were removed and he [[User_talk:Andy_Dingley#Irrelavnt_link|complained about link removal]] on {{u|Andy Dingley}}'s talk page. Subsequently, the sock appeared almost exclusively to restore [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AK-47&diff=630807967&oldid=630554432 the same link]. Given his socking history and several indefinite blocks from which he has been unblocked, I intend to indef block the master and sock and hardblock the IP (pulled from archive and showing active) for more than one year. Requesting CU to confirm and run sleeper check. <br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">Berean Hunter</span>]] [[User talk :Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">(talk)</span>]] 18:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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This isn't the first time {{u|Misconceptions2}} was convicted of sockpuppetry, see the [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Misconceptions2/Archive|archive]], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AMisconceptions2 block log], but in any case, it is important to mention some context:
*'''Comment''' If we look at the case just prior to this one (about a year ago), the accounts were unrelated but claims were made by at least one of the accounts that they were paid to do the editing. So, I think what we are looking at is [[WP:MEAT]] in which, as before, individuals may be paid for their editing. I thought that after the last incident that this behavior might end, but apparently it never will without some type of action. The conclusion drawn last time was that paid meat puppetry is not a violation of sockpuppetry policy. However, this behavior has now occurred repeatedly over a number of years, so may be it best falls under long-term disruption and therefore [[WP:NOTHERE]].--[[User:I am One of Many|I am One of Many]] ([[User talk:I am One of Many|talk]]) 21:23, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


'''Context:''' <br>
**The policy violation here is that meat/sockpuppetry is being used to create artificial support for [[WP:EW|edit-warring]] across several articles. I'll block anyone whose doing that...paid or not.<br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">Berean Hunter</span>]] [[User talk :Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">(talk)</span>]] 15:00, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
The following observations were all made based on one article and its talk page, namely, [[List of expeditions of Muhammad]], I will not cover many edits made in "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of expeditions of Muhammad" ‎since I was not very familiar with the lengthy discussions there, maybe some more experienced user will shade more light on that. In any case, I thought it would be necessary to first include some context. <br>
In the [[Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad/Archive_1#Multiple_issues|#Multiple Issues]] section of the talk page of the [[List of expeditions of Muhammad]] article, a consensus was reached on February 26 (go there for complete details), which lead me to make some heavy changes to the article in question, e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=707025000&oldid=707004671 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=707028180&oldid=707025000 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=707028951&oldid=707028615 3], all of whom were made in the 26<sup>th</sup> of February 2016‎.
These edits were left unchanged, and no one objected to them, based on the consensus in the talk, until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=480903504&oldid=480902661 the original creator of that page], namely, {{user|Misconceptions2}}, (re)appeared after a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Misconceptions2&offset=20160314032222&target=Misconceptions2 3 months and 28 days (14 March 2016--16 November 2015)] absence. <br>
So on March 13, the article's creator (Misconceptions2) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=709956686&oldid=707045681 reverted the agreed changes], claiming a [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Controversial Islamic Article-90% of page wiped out by Muslims, possible bias|muslim conspiracy]] and pinging dozens of users to rescue his article. <br>
Now there is one important point that should be mentioned, and I think it is a central piece of evidence, which is that <u>before {{u|Misconceptions2}} (re)coming, no reverts, no flow of suspicious accounts making blanket reverts and personal attacks, happened, actually no objections were ever made in the talk.</u> (That fact can be verified by looking at the respective page history of the meant articles: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&offset=20160316151459&action=history 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&offset=20160315131511&action=history 2]) It was only after his coming that all these suspicious things happened. Following observations will build upon that,


'''Connections:'''<br>
* I'd assumed a bad case of [[WP:OWN]] from the behaviour on the list article. Might be sock, meat or whatever, but none of it is impressive. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 15:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
* After [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=709956686&oldid=707045681 the initial revert] by {{u|Misconceptions2}}, that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=709972270&oldid=709956924 was reverted] by {{user|Xtremedood}}, a suspicious account appeared that also made a revert, {{user|Sajithgayashan}}, who was created on the 4<sup>th</sup> of March 2016. He only made 1 edit then, before making two reverts: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=709974647 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=709975824 2], with edit summaries, respectively, "''no consensus''" (05:52, 14 March), "''I saw talk page. But not all will agree with change. I dont agree with delete.''" (06:03, 14 March 2016), note that these edits were made exactly right after {{u|Misconceptions2}} re-coming. Meanwhile, in the talk page, {{u|Misconceptions2}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710076728&oldid=710073439 stated], (20:43) "Cant you see as of RIGHT now there is no consensus. This will turn into an edit war the way its going. I have invited many people who edited this article to comment here. I hope it does not turn into a big edit war." These reverts and edits in this article were amongst the last edits made by {{user|Sajithgayashan}}, meaning the account was used to push certain changes in a specific situation, and it's not a regular user.
::THis is BS. If Gomu gomu is banned then i should be banned on same grounds because i also edited similiar articles to Misconceptions2 and I also like anime, and believe it or not, i like choclate, and ice cream, to. Oh, i also drink water. Does that make me a meat of Miconceptions2 as well?--[[User:Calcula2|Calcula2]] ([[User talk:Calcula2|talk]]) 16:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
* Later on, another account, titled {{u|DJ SG Gayashan}} appeared (who was created in 25 November 2015, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin_Garrix&diff=prev&oldid=692350316 with this edit]), he made two reverts [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=710795237 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=710876342 2] (19 March). [[User:DJ SG Gayashan|DJ SG Gayashan]], [[User:Sajithgayashan|Sajithgayashan]] and [[User:SG Gayashan|SG Gayashan]] seem to all be related. In one edit summary, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sajithgayashan Sajithgayashan] states: "''Created page with 'Why delete my userpage? <b>My other Account DJ Gayashan , also delete</b>?''".
:::Please see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Misconceptions2&diff=630952124&oldid=630947412 my response] to that question elsewhere.<br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">Berean Hunter</span>]] [[User talk :Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">(talk)</span>]] 16:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{u|Sajithgayashan}} [[User:Sajithgayashan|user page has:]] "My other Account [[DJ SG Gayashan]] , and SG Gayashan"
*This block is harsh. I was also accused of being a sock of M2 about a year ago. I know him off wiki. I enjoy editing wikipedia anonymously and with my accoutn every now and then. If you know someone off wiki should be be considered meat puppetry.--[[User:Priti.shetty|Priti.shetty]] ([[User talk:Priti.shetty|talk]]) 16:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
* The user {{u|Misconceptions2}} seems on a number of occasions to suggest using votes to settle disputes, e.g. [[Talk:List of expeditions of Muhammad#Protected edit request on 19 March 2016|here]], stating, "''Why dont we do a vote on which version should be kept? The longstanding version or the highly redacted version.''", since only a minority in the talk subscribe to his handful suggestions, it would seem irrational that he wants to use votes without knowing ''à priori'' that he can gather enough through socks, this shows his confidence in recourse to using votes, i.e. his confidence to making enough accounts to fulfill his purposes.
:: You edited briefly a year ago, then nothing since until October this year (to remove an M2 sockpuppet note), when you re-appeared on the same day as Gomu. Please. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 17:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
* [[Special:Contributions/119.30.32.120|119.30.32.120]]: Another IP address who made only 4 edits, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=712360672&oldid=712360584 speaks in the talk] of "Muslims only want to censor wikipedia", subscribing to {{u|Misconceptions2}}'s [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Controversial Islamic Article-90% of page wiped out by Muslims, possible bias|conspiracy scenario]].
* [[Special:Contributions/103.41.212.74|103.41.212.74]]: This is basically the IP used before the account [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AmitPaul23&action=edit&redlink=1 AmitPaul23] was created, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=712365520 proof can be seen here] (See the signature, add to that the fact that AmitPaul23 edited the article created minutes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&dir=prev&offset=20160327105609&action=history (22min to be precise)] after that, as we will explain). Furthermore, that user is '''not''' as new as one would think since the '''AmitPaul23''' account was actually created '''January 2, 2016''' and the first and only thing the user did back then was create a substantial (albiet off-topic) Talk Page section on our beloved Main Page[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=701770761 <nowiki>[257]</nowiki>]. I think it is also notable that this single edit was done '''''twenty-four days''''' after creating the account, very non-typical behavior. (Observation by: [[User:Koala Tea Of Mercy|Koala Tea Of Mercy]])
* The following event, is without doubt one of the weirdest ones I've seen on wiki, in it, {{u|Misconceptions2}} "coaches" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AmitPaul23&action=edit&redlink=1 AmitPaul23] on how to become a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=next&oldid=712369319 canvassed edit warrior who knows how to game semi-protection]. (c.f. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=712369319&oldid=712368974 <nowiki>[8]</nowiki>], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=712372312&oldid=712371918 <nowiki>[9]</nowiki>]): "Also to be able to edit you need to make 10 edits and become auto confirmed.", stated {{u|Misconceptions2}}, it should be mentioned that the article was at that time semi-protected.
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AmitPaul23&action=edit&redlink=1 AmitPaul23] made personal attacks, in addition to the blanket revert ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=712373018 link]), such as in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=712365319 this edit] "''Muslms cannot be trusted''" and a [[Wikipedia:NPA|personal attack]] "''What kind of name is Andalusi, seems ISsupporter''".
* {{u|Misconceptions2}} himself made personal attacks, from the beginning with his [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Controversial Islamic Article-90% of page wiped out by Muslims, possible bias|Muslims conspiracy theory]], to his last attacks like "''[[Talk:List of expeditions of Muhammad#Page protected|When religion is invovled and you have religious users with names like "XtremeDood" engaged in a conversation I find it hard to imagine there to be compromise]]''", so it is natural to see the same pattern with those other accounts. Similarly, we asked {{u|Misconceptions2}} from right the beginning to participate and discuss in the [[Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad/Archive_1#Multiple_issues|#Multiple issues]] section in which we reached an actual consensus (for e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710073439&oldid=709996194 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710089151&oldid=710076728 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710102626&oldid=710101860 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710897388&oldid=710894074 4], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710887378&oldid=710887177 5], implicitly: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710216049&oldid=710214930 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&diff=710886770&oldid=710885218 2]), but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&oldid=712660932#Multiple_issues to this day], he never participated nor replied there, just like all the other involved IPs and suspicious accounts.
* {{u|Alexis Ivanov}} [[Talk:List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad#Summary_as_of_14-03-2016|stated once]], "Who is this Sajithgayashan who is speaking in broken English ? Sounds like a sockpuppet for someone", {{u|Misconceptions2}} immediately replied, "If your trying to say his my sock then your wrong. [...]" Even do {{u|Alexis Ivanov}} clearly never meant that.
* See also {{u|Elaenia}}'s comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=709976533&oldid=709973496 here].
* I tried to mention only some observations, to keep the list short enough.


[[User:CounterTime|CounterTime]] ([[User talk:CounterTime|talk]]) 13:05, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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*The technical results with regard to {{U|Gomu gomu no pistol}} are {{inconclusive}}, bordering {{unlikely}}. This could be [[WP:MEAT]] or maybe someone unrelated pissed at Andy Dingley and targeting his edits, but CU isn't helpful determining a connection in this case.--[[User:Ponyo|<font color="Navy">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ponyo|<font color="Navy">''bons mots''</font>]]</sup> 20:35, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
*Indeffing meatpuppet and blocking master and IP for one month. I believe the interest in anime by the puppet on their talk page combined with weapons more closely aligns this user to Misconceptions2's posse rather than Andy's detractors. I've blocked more conservatively than originally planned to let Misconceptions2 know that he is on very thin ice and had better stop with the shenanigans. I'll leave it for another clerk to close.<br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">Berean Hunter</span>]] [[User talk :Berean Hunter|<span style="font-family:High Tower Text;color:#0000ff;font-weight:900;">(talk)</span>]] 15:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
:* {{user|Gomu gomu no pistol}} now requesting an unblock. [[User:Nick|Nick]] ([[User talk:Nick|talk]]) 16:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
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3 April 2016[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets


This isn't the first time Misconceptions2 was convicted of sockpuppetry, see the archive, and block log, but in any case, it is important to mention some context:

Context:
The following observations were all made based on one article and its talk page, namely, List of expeditions of Muhammad, I will not cover many edits made in "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of expeditions of Muhammad" ‎since I was not very familiar with the lengthy discussions there, maybe some more experienced user will shade more light on that. In any case, I thought it would be necessary to first include some context.
In the #Multiple Issues section of the talk page of the List of expeditions of Muhammad article, a consensus was reached on February 26 (go there for complete details), which lead me to make some heavy changes to the article in question, e.g. 1, 2, 3, all of whom were made in the 26th of February 2016‎. These edits were left unchanged, and no one objected to them, based on the consensus in the talk, until the original creator of that page, namely, Misconceptions2 (talk · contribs), (re)appeared after a 3 months and 28 days (14 March 2016--16 November 2015) absence.
So on March 13, the article's creator (Misconceptions2) reverted the agreed changes, claiming a muslim conspiracy and pinging dozens of users to rescue his article.
Now there is one important point that should be mentioned, and I think it is a central piece of evidence, which is that before Misconceptions2 (re)coming, no reverts, no flow of suspicious accounts making blanket reverts and personal attacks, happened, actually no objections were ever made in the talk. (That fact can be verified by looking at the respective page history of the meant articles: 1, 2) It was only after his coming that all these suspicious things happened. Following observations will build upon that,

Connections:

  • After the initial revert by Misconceptions2, that was reverted by Xtremedood (talk · contribs), a suspicious account appeared that also made a revert, Sajithgayashan (talk · contribs), who was created on the 4th of March 2016. He only made 1 edit then, before making two reverts: 1, 2, with edit summaries, respectively, "no consensus" (05:52, 14 March), "I saw talk page. But not all will agree with change. I dont agree with delete." (06:03, 14 March 2016), note that these edits were made exactly right after Misconceptions2 re-coming. Meanwhile, in the talk page, Misconceptions2 stated, (20:43) "Cant you see as of RIGHT now there is no consensus. This will turn into an edit war the way its going. I have invited many people who edited this article to comment here. I hope it does not turn into a big edit war." These reverts and edits in this article were amongst the last edits made by Sajithgayashan (talk · contribs), meaning the account was used to push certain changes in a specific situation, and it's not a regular user.
  • Later on, another account, titled DJ SG Gayashan appeared (who was created in 25 November 2015, with this edit), he made two reverts 1, 2 (19 March). DJ SG Gayashan, Sajithgayashan and SG Gayashan seem to all be related. In one edit summary, Sajithgayashan states: "Created page with 'Why delete my userpage? My other Account DJ Gayashan , also delete?".
  • Sajithgayashan user page has: "My other Account DJ SG Gayashan , and SG Gayashan"
  • The user Misconceptions2 seems on a number of occasions to suggest using votes to settle disputes, e.g. here, stating, "Why dont we do a vote on which version should be kept? The longstanding version or the highly redacted version.", since only a minority in the talk subscribe to his handful suggestions, it would seem irrational that he wants to use votes without knowing à priori that he can gather enough through socks, this shows his confidence in recourse to using votes, i.e. his confidence to making enough accounts to fulfill his purposes.
  • 119.30.32.120: Another IP address who made only 4 edits, speaks in the talk of "Muslims only want to censor wikipedia", subscribing to Misconceptions2's conspiracy scenario.
  • 103.41.212.74: This is basically the IP used before the account AmitPaul23 was created, the proof can be seen here (See the signature, add to that the fact that AmitPaul23 edited the article created minutes (22min to be precise) after that, as we will explain). Furthermore, that user is not as new as one would think since the AmitPaul23 account was actually created January 2, 2016 and the first and only thing the user did back then was create a substantial (albiet off-topic) Talk Page section on our beloved Main Page[257]. I think it is also notable that this single edit was done twenty-four days after creating the account, very non-typical behavior. (Observation by: Koala Tea Of Mercy)
  • The following event, is without doubt one of the weirdest ones I've seen on wiki, in it, Misconceptions2 "coaches" AmitPaul23 on how to become a canvassed edit warrior who knows how to game semi-protection. (c.f. [8], [9]): "Also to be able to edit you need to make 10 edits and become auto confirmed.", stated Misconceptions2, it should be mentioned that the article was at that time semi-protected.
  • AmitPaul23 made personal attacks, in addition to the blanket revert (link), such as in this edit "Muslms cannot be trusted" and a personal attack "What kind of name is Andalusi, seems ISsupporter".
  • Misconceptions2 himself made personal attacks, from the beginning with his Muslims conspiracy theory, to his last attacks like "When religion is invovled and you have religious users with names like "XtremeDood" engaged in a conversation I find it hard to imagine there to be compromise", so it is natural to see the same pattern with those other accounts. Similarly, we asked Misconceptions2 from right the beginning to participate and discuss in the #Multiple issues section in which we reached an actual consensus (for e.g. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, implicitly: 1, 2), but to this day, he never participated nor replied there, just like all the other involved IPs and suspicious accounts.
  • Alexis Ivanov stated once, "Who is this Sajithgayashan who is speaking in broken English ? Sounds like a sockpuppet for someone", Misconceptions2 immediately replied, "If your trying to say his my sock then your wrong. [...]" Even do Alexis Ivanov clearly never meant that.
  • See also Elaenia's comment here.
  • I tried to mention only some observations, to keep the list short enough.

CounterTime (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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