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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:WATCHMAN15/Mark Lloyd Article
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:WATCHMAN15/Mark Lloyd Article

Delete content fork of Mark Lloyd created during a minor skirmish around controversial content. Pichpich (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Powertrio/Greg tanoose
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Powertrio/Greg tanoose

Delete Stale draft with promotional tone. Twice speedy deleted as non-notable. Pichpich (talk) 23:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Whowantstobeamillionaire/Sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Whowantstobeamillionaire/Sandbox

Delete Unused copy of an old revision of Now That's What I Call Music! 30 (U.S. series). Pichpich (talk) 23:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above, abandoned userspace draft. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 20:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion.

Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 07:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Whowantstobeamillionaire/directtv
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Whowantstobeamillionaire/directtv

Delete abandoned copy of Donovan Patton created while vandalizing that same page. Pichpich (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jakewayd
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jakewayd

Delete per WP:FAKEARTICLE with misleading infobox and a small history of vandalism. Pichpich (talk) 22:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Chase Fonteno
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The result of the discussion was delete both Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chase Fonteno

User:Dallasceo
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:MyraSendak/Luke
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:MyraSendak/Luke

Delete Once deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Heron. Userfied two years ago and hasn't been touched since. Pichpich (talk) 22:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Alexej66/Giovanni Mascellaro
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Alexej66/Giovanni Mascellaro

Delete Previously deleted through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giovanni Mascellaro. Author has basically no other contributions and has been reinserting content categories to this draft/fake article. Pichpich (talk) 18:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I cannot see a problem apart from the categories. So lets just remove them and let the draft stay. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:39, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It still falls under WP:FAKEARTICLE and hasn't been edited in a year (save the reinsertion of categories) It's also a clear conflict of interest and pretty darn close to spam. The user's sole other contribution is this revealing edit. The same article was also deleted as spam on it.wiki. I'm all for giving users the benefit of the doubt but this is not in the acceptable range. Pichpich (talk) 20:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Pichpich (talk · contribs)'s comments above about this draft of a deleted article being spam. Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Alexej66/Giovanni Mascellaro reveals 3 links to this page: User talk:Alexej66, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Alexej66/Giovanni Mascellaro. These 3 links were generated after Pichpich (talk · contribs)'s MfD nomination on 18:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC). Yet, this page was viewed 76 times in February 2011 and 77 times in March 2011. Prior to the MfD nomination, the page had been last edited on 10:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC) by Alexej66 (talk · contribs). Because the pageviews could not have come from recent changes patrol and because the pageviews could not have come through Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Alexej66/Giovanni Mascellaro which was empty prior to the nomination, it is likely that this userpage draft is linked to from an off-wiki website. This abuse of Wikipedia should not be tolerated. Delete per WP:NOTADVERTISING. Cunard (talk) 06:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Alefehad/Danny Waxman
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Alefehad/Danny Waxman

Delete Abandoned draft for BLP of (at best) questionable notability. Pichpich (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Albertinaillen/sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Albertinaillen/sandbox

Delete unused (and basically never used) copy of Eenhana. Pichpich (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GZizzone
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The result of the discussion was Speedy deleted as a hoax. --RL0919 (talk) 15:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:GZizzone

Per WP:FAKEARTICLE. Sisson Independent Party was speedily deleted three times per G3 as a hoax; the page creator has now recreated the same article on his userpage. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The article is largely a copy of Conservative Party (UK), with the name of this fake party replacing the Conservative Party name. Not sure what the user is trying to accomplish with this, but it seems best to nip it in the bud. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per above. --E♴(talk) 23:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per above. --Kleinzach 03:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete From the userpage: ... SIP MP's hold a varying record ... => Hoax. Per WP:FAKEARTICLE. --Ben Ben (talk) 09:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I would think the party contains no more than its founders - if even that. No MPs, as Ben Ben points out. Hoax. Too persistent for test. Salted in mainspace. Peridon (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per above. Unnecessary WP:FAKEARTICLE. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 17:35, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Has re-appeared in mainspace as The sisson independent party. I've salted that version. Peridon (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Holsmi
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Holsmi

Delete abandoned resume. User has no other contributions. Pichpich (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Incubator/R. H. Sankhala
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article Incubator/R. H. Sankhala

This was an article which was deleted on 3 November 2011, as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. H. Sankhala. It was then incubated following comments on the talk page of the deleting administrator. The incubated article has not had any significant edits since incubation. This diff shows the full extent of changes from the version that was deleted to now. The last edit to the page was for its incubator status to be changed from "eval" to "start" because it did not pass its eval review. (That edit was on 15 November 2010.) It is clear that this is not on its way to becoming a usable article. Incubation is a temporary measure to enable an article to be worked on, not a long term way of keeping an article which consensus has decided should be deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment All the more reason to delete it, if the only person who ever wanted it has been indefinitely blocked, so that there is no question of their ever being able to edit it. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. The incubator is not for indefinite storage of deleted content. MER-C 01:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Little hope of anybody reviving this. In any case, no real sign that the subject is notable and the current draft is not good enough to be of much use to anyone. Pichpich (talk) 20:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Mimimovie/Paul J. Alessi
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mimimovie/Paul J. Alessi

Abandoned copy of article Paul J. Alessi deleted at afd (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul J. Alessi (3rd nomination), endorsed at drv Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 September 13). Previous version deleted at afd (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul J. Alessi (2nd nomination)). WP:FAKEARTICLE. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Maurice Strong
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Maurice Strong

Delete as stale draft and BLP of questionable notability anyways. Pichpich (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Wharfboy/Sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wharfboy/Sandbox

Delete Abandoned draft for BLP of questionable notability. Pichpich (talk) 02:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Mary G. Enig/Proposed changes
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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per G7 Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Mary G. Enig/Proposed changes

Was used to propose changes to a locked article for consensus building. The article is now unlocked so the page is redundant Colincbn (talk) 01:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as nom. Colincbn (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Why is there such a pressing need to remove the history of these proposed changes? Shouldn't they be kept so that future editors to the article can check them out? Graham87 01:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. However I think I was the only one who ended up using it (other than one editor who took it off the search engine lists and added the workspace tag). When the page was unlocked I made my proposed changes and they have so far stuck. I don't really mind if the page stays, it just seems that as it no longer has any use we might as well trash it. Colincbn (talk) 02:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per nom's explanation. --E♴(talk) 13:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • History merge as a rule for this sort of thing, but with Colincbn (talk · contribs) as the only substantive author of the subpage, he may tag it for speedy deletion per CSD#G7. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If I was to tag for a speedy delete, what would I need to do to this discussion page? Colincbn (talk) 01:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you just let us know that you have tagged it, that would be very good. Better to not try to close this MfD just in case the speedy is contested or refused. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I tagged it. Colincbn (talk) 02:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Zakmonix/Nutricate Corporation
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Zakmonix/Nutricate Corporation

Delete Abandoned draft that borders on spam. Pichpich (talk) 22:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Arnoutf/sandbox/FG
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Arnoutf/sandbox/FG

Delete Unused content fork. Pichpich (talk) 22:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:UP#COPIES states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion.

Because this page violates WP:UP#COPIES and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 06:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marsdan1953/Gary W. Kronk
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The result of the discussion was history merge Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Marsdan1953/Gary W. Kronk

Delete Stale draft. Appears to be completely independent of the later creation of Gary W. Kronk. Pichpich (talk) 22:29, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • History Merge Looking at page histories, it does indeed appear that they are completely independent. Reading the articles, however, there is no question that Gary W. Kronk is largely based on User:Marsdan1953/Gary W. Kronk. Thus, we need a history merge. (It is worth noting that they could both be independently based on a third source which would make them both copyvios, but I really doubt that). --E♴(talk) 00:26, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • History merge User:Marsdan1953/Gary W. Kronk and Gary W. Kronk per e2eamon (talk · contribs). A review of the contents of each article article strongly indicates that the article is based on the userspace draft. To satisfy the GFDL attribution requirements, the userspace draft should be history merged with the article. Cunard (talk) 06:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vj71985/Luda Mesropian
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:17, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Vj71985/Luda Mesropian

Delete per WP:FAKEARTICLE. Autopromotional bio. Article was deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ludmila Mesropian. Pichpich (talk) 15:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BFTrick/Patrick Rauland
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:BFTrick/Patrick Rauland

Delete abandoned autobio. Article was speedy deleted in 2009. Pichpich (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Thormadsen/Thor Madsen
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Thormadsen/Thor Madsen

Delete Stale draft and likely autobiography. Notability seems a little thin anyway. Pichpich (talk) 15:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hyun Sung Kim
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hyun Sung Kim

Delete Stale draft and likely autobiography. Subject does not seem notable in any case and user has no other contributions to the project. Pichpich (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jsmahesh
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jsmahesh

Delete Wikipedia is not a resume service. User has no other contributions to the project. Pichpich (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Duncan A. Borg Ellul
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Duncan A. Borg Ellul

Delete Stale autobiography. User was blocked as a sockpuppet trying to insert this info into mainspace under various accounts. Pichpich (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Agadabagada/The Turdpercy Gang
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The result of the discussion was Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:NOTADVERTISING Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Agadabagada/The Turdpercy Gang

Per WP:NOTWEBHOST. No indication that this band will meet WP:BAND any time soon or that this article will survive in the main space. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 11:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but I think you have to let him try for a lot longer time than has been allowed. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm preparing this article for publication when the band are notable enough to qualify for a mainspace page. You must be allowed one subpage, surely? I've seen people prepare articles for publication through making subpages and waiting until the article matter is notable enough before. Agadabagada (talk) 13:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Blank, don't delete. The page is currently looking like a typical non-wikipedia-notable band without any independent references that is probably only posted here as promotion. However, as the author is new, active, and talking to us, give him more time, but tell him to keep the page blanked while he is not actually working on it. I have added {{NOINDEX}}. Agadabagada, there is no limit to the number of subpages, or time limits, but we are particularly sensitive about being used for promotion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not trying to use Wikipedia as a promotion tool. I've been here before you know, as a user who made over 500 edits. I know how this thing works. Agadabagada (talk) 09:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should understand that we don't allow premature articles to exist in userspace indefinitely. It is likely going to be several years before this band are going to be notable enough for an article. Read the pages linked above, particularly Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles (also known by the shortcut WP:NBAND) to see what is required before they'll be considered notable enough. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion. Short term hosting of potentially valid articles and other reasonable content under development or in active use is usually acceptable..."

    A band that "performed together for the very first time on Friday 8th April 2011" is highly unlikely to become notable within six months. This is not a "potentially valid articl[e]" as required by FAKEARTICLE. I strongly agree with Thryduulf (talk · contribs)'s incisive comments about how WP:NOTWEBHOST is applicable here. Delete also per WP:NOTADVERTISING. Cunard (talk) 06:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, this is Andrew Racklyeft, the rhythm guitarist of The Turdpercy Gang. Just like to say that we are a valid and real band. :) 94.2.184.89 (talk) 13:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Tishiro
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tishiro

Wikipedia is not a social networking site. The creation of this page in 2007 represents the user's only edit. MER-C 10:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Unused templates
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Unused templates

Four member project started in My 2006 and declared inactive two months later. Project page has 31 sections of which half are empty. Only 1 message posted on talk page. In short, nothing worth keeping. (Subpage: Wikipedia:WikiProject Unused templates/Subst). --Kleinzach 09:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Bolman Deal/Martyn Minns
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The result of the discussion was Keep and move to mainspace. --RL0919 (talk) 16:37, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bolman Deal/Martyn Minns

Relisted. 01:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Stale draft for 4 years. See WP:FAKEARTICLE Magioladitis (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The default redirect created will serve as a pointer for User:Bolman Deal and the couple of significant incoming links. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to mainspace per A Stop at Willoughby. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 14:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to mainspace and delete redirect. It is notable so it would not be speedy deleted by A7, it is also very good. It shouldn't stay in userspace, and User:Bolman Deal/Martyn Minns would be put in speedy deletion criterion R2 and when used 1 time, R3. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to mainspace and keep the redirect as there is no reason to remove a userspace-to-mainspace redirect. This will also make sure that anyone who goes looking for where it used to be will find it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 18:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Gnarpsbaden
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gnarpsbaden

Delete stale draft and probably weird autobio. Pichpich (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EdrevEpac/Pickup Podcast
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:EdrevEpac/Pickup Podcast

Delete Abandoned draft. No real sign that the podcast is notable anyways and plenty of signs that the author has a serious COI. Pichpich (talk) 01:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EdrevEpac/Jordan Harbinger
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:EdrevEpac/Jordan Harbinger

Delete abandoned copy of BLP deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Harbinger. Pichpich (talk) 01:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EdrevEpac/Johnny Dzubak
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:05, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:EdrevEpac/Johnny Dzubak

Delete abandoned copy of BLP deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Dzubak. Pichpich (talk) 01:44, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EdrevEpac/Joshua Pellicer
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:EdrevEpac/Joshua Pellicer

Delete Abandoned copy of BLP deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Pellicer (2nd nomination). Pichpich (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:ChrisFG3
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:ChrisFG3

Delete Stale draft of BLP for individual of questionable notability. Pichpich (talk) 01:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:JhanCRUSH/Heath Herring
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:JhanCRUSH/Heath Herring

Delete unused (or should I say never used) copy of a by now oldish revision of Heath Herring. Pichpich (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Crytek
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The result of the discussion was Userfy to User:Trap The Drum Wonder/WP:Crytek. I'll be the poor admin for the sake of cleaning up the project, and hopefully this does not break any guidelines since I nominated it. However, I'm just going to copy-paste the content of the subpages to the main page, and attribute the content to the single user who created all of it, who also happens to be inactive. Let me know if there is anything wrong with this, and I'll fix it. MrKIA11 (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Crytek

Project has not had any activity for over a year, after having little activity to begin with, and under 3 different names. Only 1 of the 3 members is even still active. There are less than 10 pages that fall under the project's scope. There was never a single discussion on the talk page. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per nom. --E♴(talk) 03:41, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per nom. --Kleinzach 03:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games per MFD guidelines. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games. As the owner, it'll be sad to see it go, alas, I must agree it has been dormant for quite a while. As you quite rightly say, neither of the other two 'contributors' weren't fulfilling their role. Granted, I had no other interest than the page being there, posing much like a fan page of the soon-to-be TimeSplitters 4 creators. TDW 19:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per established process within WP:VG (see WP:VG/IPC). There is not a substantial page history here on either the main page or the talk page, which is one of the primary metrics which should be used (and which I use) to differentiate between deletion and redirection. Also, this is unlikely to serve as a good candidate for redirection because it is within the WP:VG "namespace". --Izno (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Izno is right. Why redirect Video games/Crytek to Video games? --Kleinzach 01:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change page name. Well, if I'm allowed to do so, I'd just like to cut the embarrassment of deletion, and put the same page under a subpage. This would most likely be called, "User:Trap The Drum Wonder/WPCrytek" or something or other. Please don't welcome this comment with the same old cyber Draconian reply. TDW 20:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't object to that. Just the main page? --Izno (talk) 22:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    The 3 subpages are all so small that I think the content can just be merged directly onto the main page, and then they can be deleted. MrKIA11 (talk) 20:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Per MrKIA11 Userfy would be fine IMO. --Kleinzach 10:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Doing that would require a history merge, which I also have no objection to, but some poor admin has to spend some time to do so. --Izno (talk) 00:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Sometimes it's difficult to work towards a consensus and give admin an easy life. This may be one of them. --Kleinzach 08:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge and redirect is the easiest and most common solution. Redirects are cheap, certainly cheaper than admin time. History merging backwater trivial project space pages of no continuing interest is busywork. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 15:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, which is why I initially !voted to delete. There is no reason to redirect pages which are not likely search terms and which do not have significant contribution and collaboration. If there is admin who would like to take the time to histmerge the pages, then that's a fine result by me. Otherwise, we should move the main page and the main talk page to userspace (without redirects) and delete the other pages. --Izno (talk) 15:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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April 17, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Mrspencer2003/Sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mrspencer2003/Sandbox

Delete abandoned (and awkward) biography of individual whose notability is at best questionable. Pichpich (talk) 23:13, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Orduna
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Orduna

Delete Wikipedia is not a resume service. Inactive user. Pichpich (talk) 22:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jennagruhala
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jennagruhala

Delete Wikipedia is not a resume service. Inactive user. Pichpich (talk) 22:34, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sclarkson/Sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:52, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Sclarkson/Sandbox

Relisted. 00:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Delete abandoned autobiography. Probably falls just short of WP:GNG anyways. Pichpich (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not Sure-- The article looks like it could be moved to mainspace if the subject meets WP:JUDGE. (Sadly, my legal knowledge is such that I don't know if he does.) --E♴(talk) 20:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep has not been abandoned for too long, and could make an article in the future. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • A Google News Archive search returns merely passing mentions. According to the article, the subject is a lawyer. There is no mention of the subject's being a judge, so the failed notability proposal WP:JUDGE would not apply. Created in September 2007 and last edited in July 2010, this draft has been abandoned for 9 months. Because the subject is non-notable, the page should be deleted as it will not survive in mainspace. Cunard (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete While nine months of abandonment isn't terribly long, I'm nudged towards supporting deletion by the fact that this page has existed in userspace since 2007. That leads me to believe that this is a WP:FAKEARTICLE, intended to remain in userspace indefinitely. Moreover, I looked for sources to help establish the notability of the subject of this old draft, but to no avail. As best I can tell, Scott C. Clarkson fails WP:BIO; therefore, moving this to mainspace would be inappropriate. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 21:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per A Stop at Willoughby. --Kleinzach 02:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Cunard. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Britside
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Britside

Delete stale copy of article since deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Stowell. Pichpich (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Noahpaulfardo/new article name here
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Noahpaulfardo/new article name here

Delete abandoned autobiography. Notability of subject is questionable in any case. Pichpich (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Christopher Everard-Jurquet
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Christopher Everard-Jurquet

Delete this and the similar User:Christopher Everard-Jurquet/Template:CHRISTOPHER EVERARD. Wikipedia is not a resume service. User's sole contribution to the project and last edited two years ago. Pichpich (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vtpolitics/Dominic Etli
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Vtpolitics/Dominic Etli

Delete Abandoned draft (mainspace article was deleted way back when). Pichpich (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Prof.feldman
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The result of the discussion was Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST and related guidelines. --RL0919 (talk) 00:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Prof.feldman

Is an autobiography. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Abandoned, autobiographical, unsourced BLP WP:FAKEARTICLE. MER-C 03:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP has no rules against writing about oneself in userspace as long as it is not excessive. 4K is not excessive. "Abandoned" means "no one has been here" - but edits as recently as yesterday belie that claim. Are personal c.v.s required to be sourced? Nope. Is there anything remotely "contentious" in it? Nope. Reasons for deletion? None. Collect (talk) 12:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not abandoned, but yes unsourced WP:FAKEARTICLE. Users who are contributing to the project are allowed to add some autobiographical information on their userpage. It helps establish COI's and allows users to get to know each other a little. If, however, a user's only edits are to write an autobiographical userpage, then it serves no purpose to the project, and WP:NOTWEBHOST comes into play. Also, the fact that the page has only been edited by an IP for the last year implies to me that the user forgot the password to his account. It doesn't look like he plans on using the account for anything other than hosting that userpage.--E♴(talk) 15:09, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do you know of any rule that says "IPs are second class editors, who are presumed not to be capable of making any real articles"? Of any rule that says "Registered users who forget their password are forbidden to edit on Wikipedia"? I thought not. Page is not "abandoned" which removes that from the table utterly. Userspace is not requied to be "sourced" in any event. And absent the remotest belief that anything "contentious" is in it (which would be proper grounds for removal), I fail to see acual grounds for deletion. Collect (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Most of the content was written by the user, not the IP.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The IP is welcome to edit whatever he likes. The editor, weather he lost his password or not, is welcome to edit. The point I was trying to make is that the particular account User:Prof.feldman hasn't edited in a long time, and may never edit again. With that in mind, does he need a detailed userpage? He doesn't seem to be working on collaborating with other editors or establishing COI's or anything else related to establishing an encyclopedia. I agree that the page does not qualify as abandoned. However, WP:NOTMYSPACE says:
"Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog or to post your résumé, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet or any hosting included with your Internet account. The focus of user pages should not be social networking, or amusement, but rather providing a foundation for effective collaboration." (I added the bolding). --E♴(talk) 19:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tagged it for deletion per WP:Autobiographies. I feel little of the page content is relevant to Wikipedia.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Collect, and, in fact, per nom. WP:USER says, "User pages mainly are for interpersonal discussion, notices, testing and drafts, and, if desired, limited autobiographical and personal content." Thus, being an autobiography is not a reason to delete a user page. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion." User:Prof.feldman reads like an unwikified, unreferenced Wikipedia article. An unsourced BLP would be deleted in the mainspace. The same ought to apply to an unsourced userspace draft that has existed since 20:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]

    WP:USERBIO prohibits, "Inappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia." The userspace draft includes promotional content such as "he received the ORT award for his creative ideas". The entire page reads like a résumé, which is prohibited by WP:NOTADVERTISING. Because neither Prof.feldman (talk · contribs) nor the IP addresses 86.145.221.138 (talk · contribs), 86.145.18.162 (talk · contribs), 86.154.149.2 (talk · contribs), 86.151.127.52 (talk · contribs), and 86.151.123.235 (talk · contribs) have shown an interest in contributing to the encyclopedia, the leeway usually given to established editors should not be given to this single-purpose account.

    In February 2011, this page was viewed 61 times. In March 2011, this page was viewed 62 times. Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Prof.feldman includes the pages User:AlexNewArtBot/PhysicsSearchResult/archive11 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/COIReports/2010, Jul 2. (The remaining three links are Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, User talk:Prof.feldman, and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Prof.feldman. These three links to User:Prof.feldman existed only after this MfD was initiated on 02:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC). As such, they could not have led viewers to this page in February or March 2011.)[reply]

    The likely explanation this page has been receiving so many views is that it is linked to off-site and is used to store Prof.feldman (talk · contribs)'s résumé. A patent violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST.

    Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and WP:NOTADVERTISING, because the userspace draft is tantamount to an unreferenced BLP, because this unreferenced BLP has had deficient sourcing since July 2010, because the page was created and maintained to circumvent the deletion of Professor raymond feldman, and because the page is linked to off-wiki as a storage of the user's résumé, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 00:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Wikipedia is not the place where you keep track of your career achievements. Frankly, I don't see how anyone could read Wikipedia:User pages and come to the conclusion that this page is fine. Pichpich (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per e2eamon, and Cunard, especially where he explains that it looks like the page is being hosted for external reference, and, Userpage content should be limited to be in proportion to the editors project contributions, which would mean noting the user's date of registration. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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April 16, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Serepax/PhannyDuong
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Serepax/PhannyDuong

Delete per WP:NOTLINKEDIN and WP:FAKEARTICLE. Pichpich (talk) 20:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dsrobinette/daniel robinette
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dsrobinette/daniel robinette

Delete Abandoned autobiography. Pichpich (talk) 20:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Deathspeaker
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Deathspeaker – moved to User:Deathspeaker/Galaxy Online II - Newbie Guide

Relisted as IP blanked page. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 19:10, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a game guide. WP:GAMEGUIDE E♴(talk) 23:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Donnells/Sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Donnells/Sandbox

Delete Stale draft. Pichpich (talk) 13:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because this page violates WP:STALEDRAFT and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Spyder2242
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Spyder2242

Delete abandoned self-promotion. User has no other edits. Pichpich (talk) 13:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Angelusdemonus
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Angelusdemonus

Copy of content deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mcroll'd and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 May 20#Mcroll'd. Userspace is not for indefinite storage of deleted content. User has no live edits outside of this page and has not edited since 2008. MER-C 09:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete if no one wants to move it to mainspace. I see that the user did work on the content and sourcing. AfD-ed content should not be allowed in userspace indefinitely. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. SmokeyJoe, I think you meant AfD-ed content should not be allowed in userspace indefinitely. --E♴(talk) 15:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:FAKEARTICLE, includes only some previously deleted content. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 20:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Powergate92/Guestbook
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The result of the discussion was keep Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Powergate92/Guestbook

WP:NOTMYSPACE. Also had a massive header that actually prevented editing it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 05:10, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I created the "Guestbook" page after seeing that another user had a "Guestbook", at the time I didn't know about WP:NOTMYSPACE. Anyway, if an Administrator thinks the page should be deleted per WP:NOTMYSPACE then they can delete it. Powergate92Talk 05:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per user's agreement. --Kleinzach 06:16, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep with header removed. The header interferred with the MediaWiki_interface and may not be used. See Wikipedia:User_pages#Simulation_and_disruption_of_the_MediaWiki_interface. No administrator should say that a guestbook should be deleted per policy. There is no policy or consensus against guestbooks, subject to caveats (eg must be used primarily by genuine wikipedians, and comments are primarily related to the project). Guestbooks are not secret age games or other silly games, but for some are a useful tool in support of collaboration and editor support. Even Jimbo has one. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still don't see how they don't fall into using Wikipedia as a social network, even when signed for things related to the project. Two of the three entries were "hi, thanks for article X", which can easily be put on a "regular" talk page. And the fact that Jimbo has one is immaterial; he could put the entire Goatse series on his user page and no one'd bat an eye. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 05:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we can distinguish between social networking, and project networking. I see signing someones guestbook as saying "Hi, I like what you do, and would like to work with you, although without specifics at this stage". I personally don't make or sign guestbooks, and don't feel that strongly on their merits (better to just work with the people whose work you like), but they are on the OK side NOTMYSPACE at this time. On the other hand, we should be clear that the massive header you referred to is absolutely not OK. Please don't remind me of goatses. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Name of page is not instant grounds for deletion. The use of the page violates nothing, hence has no actual grounds for deletion. And saying "but all of this would be ok on a regular talk page" is, in fact, an argument for "keep." Collect (talk) 12:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:OptionsNewBritain
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:OptionsNewBritain

Promotional, unsourced WP:FAKEARTICLE whose creation in 2009 constitutes the user's only edit. MER-C 03:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as promotion. No prejudice against someone creating a real article on the subject, but it must be based on independent third party sources, and this draft is a bad start. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:33, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I find no rule saying "all drafts must be good" and, amazingly enough, most drafts are not perfect. I wonder what "draft" means? Collect (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Abandoned draft, too promotional in tone to move to mainspace (notability notwithstanding). If this is kept, it's pretty clear that it will stay right there and continue to gather dust until it's renominated. Pichpich (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Pichpich. --Kleinzach 01:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:FAKEARTICLE. Unsourced, sounds like promotion, and seems that the user hasn't edited at all outside the subject. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 20:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Louis D Dickson
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Louis D Dickson

Unsourced userspace draft article existing at this title for over a year for an artist with no verifiable evidence of notability. Treating it like an article, I notice it claims that one of his songs reached #1 on Amazon ... on a list of search results for the artist's name. The artist's official website is a facebook page which tells us that he's male. Soap 03:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Abandoned, autobiographical, promotional, unsourced BLP WP:FAKEARTICLE. Wikipedia is not myspace. The creation of this page represents the user's only edit, which was made in March 2010. MER-C 04:07, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. per above. --Kleinzach 06:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - We aren't a social network, and we shouldn't have userpages masquerading as articles. —Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 07:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above, abandoned, very promotional userspace draft article. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 20:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Yellowdough2001/Minh do
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Yellowdough2001/Minh do

Delete abandoned content fork. Pichpich (talk) 03:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Looking at it, it seems that it would fulfill Wikipedia:Notability if it were sourced better. Could it be moved to a main article space instead? With the proper capitalization, of course. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Scratch that. It is a copy and past job with a different name. Delete. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:UP#COPIES states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:UP#COPIES and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Djhibrid/Dj Hibrid
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Djhibrid/Dj Hibrid

Delete Wikipedia is not MySpace. This is clear self-promotion and user has shown no interest in participating in other areas of the wiki. Pichpich (talk) 03:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Djcraver
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Djcraver

Delete self-promotion, fake article, long abandoned. Pichpich (talk) 02:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Spreaderofmeh
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Spreaderofmeh

Delete stale draft on individuals of questionable notability. Pichpich (talk) 02:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Barcakidd/Denzel Bazard
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Barcakidd/Denzel Bazard

Delete confusing fake article. Pichpich (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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April 15, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancestors of modern games
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancestors of modern games

Two member project that never got going in 2007. Discussions consisted of two words; "Someone help!". No subpages identified. Nothing worth saving. --Kleinzach 03:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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April 14, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Toekneeu
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:35, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Toekneeu

Delete Oddly enough, same spam article as the one nominated just below. Different user who also has no other edits on the wiki. Pichpich (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Anthonydawes
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Anthonydawes

Delete as promotional autobiography posing as a real article. User has no other edits on the project. Pichpich (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cyrus Maxwell
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:33, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cyrus Maxwell

Delete Copy of user's favorite version of the Saud bin Saqr al Qasimi article. In particular, it details a sexual assault complaint which is absent from the mainspace article. Pichpich (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Yvonne Lenard
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Yvonne Lenard

Delete Stale draft. In French. About a non-notable individual. Consisting of a copy of the fr.wiki article on Wes Craven. Using an image of Michele Bachelet. Pichpich (talk) 13:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dantwann
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dantwann

Delete Autobiography of inactive user. Pichpich (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Per WP:USERBIO, this would probably be excessive detail even for an active user. But the only thing Dantwann did on Wikipedia is write about himself; his autobiographical article was deleted by unanimous consensus in this AfD. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 23:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:49, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations/Taskforce-Notability
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The result of the discussion was Delete. --RL0919 (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations/Taskforce-Notability

Page from 2007 without any participation apart from the creator who made some 7 edits over one or two days. The page was listed on this revision of Wikipedia:Community portal/Opentask, which is included on a lot of user pages and talk pages, but it isn't really in use or really useful, since it is just a copy of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations. Fram (talk) 07:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. --Kleinzach 08:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- seems useless, hasn't been edited since 2007. --E♴(talk) 13:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Location Format
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The result of the discussion was Mark historical. --RL0919 (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Location Format

Six-member WikiProject formed in 2005 to promote the style point ("worldwide view") that "cities should be formatted canonically . . . London, Ontario, Canada rather than London, Ontario". Died 2006. No subpages identified. Some discussions. Will inform single survivor member. Suggest Redirect to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) or delete. --Kleinzach 02:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not that fussed, but simply tagging as defunct or historical or both seems quite enough. No value in deleting it. Rich Farmbrough, 17:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC).[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:TimChildHopeUk/ChildHope UK
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:TimChildHopeUk/ChildHope UK

Promotional, unsourced WP:FAKEARTICLE in the userspace of an indefinitely blocked user. MER-C 01:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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April 13, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:ASTRICC/sandbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:ASTRICC/sandbox

Delete Unused copy of an old revision of Hong Kong Applied Science and Technology Research Institute. Page has basically not been edited since it was created. Pichpich (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:UP#COPIES states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

Because this page violates WP:UP#COPIES and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 17:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Aascarfilm
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Aascarfilm

Delete Unused copy of Venu Ravichandran. User has no other contributions. Pichpich (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sophiasargeant
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Sophiasargeant

WP:UP#PROMO ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Draft of a speedy deleted page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Nominated at the six minute mark. See WP:BITE. Amazingly enough, many people write about themselves in userspace. With ELs removed, this is not a real violation of anything. And try writing nicely to folks, it really does help. Collect (talk) 12:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - No BITE, only standard welcome and bot templates. See: user page content - and especially what about all the n-f photos that she couldn't possibly have taken herself - or do we just assume she owns the © ? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you have copyright questions, then use the approriate avenues for raising them. Suppose, moreover, that you were a new editor, and six minutes after writing something you got those exact same templates? How might you have felt? Bear in mind that a fraction of 1% of those in that position ever return to Wikipedia at all. (see UT:Jimbo Wales) Collect (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy#Current practice. I have tagged the page for speedy deletion per the standard procedure at MfD; see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BeatzZ and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vsimon94 for two examples. Cunard (talk) 00:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have declined the speedy-deletion for several reasons. First, the COPPA protections apply to minors under the age of 13. This person self-identifies as 15. Second, Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy is an essay and while it is good advice, even it does not recommend automatic deletion as a remedy. Third, nothing cited qualifies under any of the narrowly written criteria at CSD. Rossami (talk) 06:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I consider minors to be children. That COPPA applies to minors under the age of 13 has little relevance to why the page should be speedy deleted. Based on the content of this page, I highly doubt that Sophiasargeant (talk · contribs) is the subject of the article. That Sophiasargeant (talk · contribs) has posted such personal content about Sophia Sargeant, a minor, qualifies the page for speedy deletion under WP:BLP. Cunard (talk) 06:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • The user page is an exact copy of the deleted main space page. See WP:FAKEARTICLE whether she is a minor or not. Wikipedia is not MySpace. (and I don't need lecturing about the use of n-f content)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • WP:BLPDELETE states (my bolding): "Summary deletion is appropriate when the page contains unsourced negative material or is written non-neutrally, and when this cannot readily be rewritten or restored to an earlier version of an acceptable standard." Because this page is promotional, it is written non-neutrally and summary deletion is appropriate.

        WP:BLPTALK states (my bolding): "The BLP policy also applies to user and user talk pages. The single exception is that users may make any claim they wish about themselves in their user space, so long as they are not engaged in impersonation, and subject to What Wikipedia is not, though minors are discouraged from disclosing identifying personal information on their userpages; for more information, see here." Cunard (talk) 07:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

        • Minors engaged in public activities (such as acting) are not remotely the problem. If I recall correctly, Wikipedia does cover children who are active in any profession. What does ArbCom say? Reasonable measures which forestall the drama associated with interactions between naive children, predatory pedophiles, and sting operations by law enforcement are appropriate. does not appear to relate here. Reasonable efforts to discourage children from disclosing identifying personal information are appropriate. does not appear to affect minors who are engaged in a profession from making statements reasonably related to their professional background. The page contains (other than DoB) essentially no such information as would be remotely a problem on Wikipedia. Justin Bieber has a lot more personal info, to be sure. What we are left with is -- everyone's userpage is likely to be "self-promotional" making that weak. By the way, Wikipedia user pages have a very large number of "actor"s born after 1992. Collect (talk) 11:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment: In declining the speedy-deletion, I am explicitly not arguing that the content should be kept. I, too, am concerned by the probability that this content violates Wikipedia's policies on advertising. The page, however, does not qualify for speedy-deletion. BLP was written with explicitly negative information in mind. To claim that a page qualifies under BLP because it says good things about a person is incompatible with the conversations and debates that led up to that policy. The "non-neutral" language was added to remove ambiguity about pages that were less than overt but still harmful to the subject, not to allow the summary deletion of positive content. I find nothing on the page that crosses even that low line. Rossami (talk) 14:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hosting promotional biographical content from a non-notable minor can be harmful to that minor. It is unclear whether Sophiasargeant (talk · contribs) is the subject and whether there is inaccurate content on this page. Without reliable sources, it is unknown, so I maintain that speedy deletion is still warranted. We will have to agree to disagree and let this page be deleted after 7 days. Cunard (talk) 22:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • "Harmful", which is a judgment call, is not a speedy deletion criterion, unless it meets WP:CSD#G10. Note the unambiguous statement at the top of that policy page: "The criteria for speedy deletion specify the only cases in which administrators have broad consensus support to, at their discretion, bypass deletion discussion and immediately delete Wikipedia pages or media. They cover only the cases specified in the rules below.". If you want to expand speedy deletion criteria (you say it is "warranted"), it should be done via discussion at WT:CSD (note the new criteria proposal guidelines at the top of that page). Overeager CSDs, administrative shortcuts, in the name of sensitivity, tend to be counterproductive, as they lead to another week of wider discussion at DRV. Even if this page is terribly harmful, immediate deletion achieves little over a standard process deletion debate optionally with the page blanked, as we have many mirrors and cached versions that last a week or more. I do not think this page does any harm to its subject. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:57, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
              • I do know that the page is an unsourced, promotional piece that can cause harm to the subject if the page was created without her and her parents' consent or if there are any untrue statements. You are incorrect in saying that pages should not be speedy deleted for being harmful. WP:BLP states: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" (bolding preserved from text; italics added for emphasis). That CSD does not allow speedy deletion does not matter when BLP does.

                Had this been speedy deleted, it would not have been brought to DRV. If it were, it would have been brought only by someone with extremely poor judgment. Cunard (talk) 04:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

                • WP:BLP doesn't authorise speedy deletion, but if you think it should, say so at WP:CSD. I believe that BLP encourages removal of unsuitable material by normal editing, and this if this would be insufficient, you should go straight to Wikipedia:Requests for oversight, as tagging a problem serves to draw attention to it. --SmokeyJoe (talk)
                • Comment: Had this been speedy-deleted out of process, it would have been eligible for summary restoration by any admin discovering that the CSD criteria had been invalidly applied. If you want to expand the WP:BLP scope to include this kind of material (and it explicitly does not today despite your quotes out of context), then you need to make that proposal on the CSD talk page. Rossami (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as promotion by a non-contributor. Agree that it is not speediable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How many edits is a person likely to make in their first week on Wikipedia? I suggest "non-contributor" may end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy, like 99+% of all new contributors who are faced with an instant deletion as their first contact on WP. Collect (talk) 22:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sympathetic to that view, having held it long, but no longer. The problem is that the page is promotion. While some allowance and courtesy is made for active Wikipedians who may do something isolated that is accused of promotion, in the case of SPAs who only ever contributed the one line of promotion, I have never seen them rehabilitate. Perhaps I am wrong, but it is not through lack of trying. I do still say that it is better, more efficient, less unkind when we are mistaken, to blank such problematic pages on discovery in the first instance. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Award Winners
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The result of the discussion was Keep, tagged inactive with pointer to parent project. --RL0919 (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Award Winners

Inactive project with only two members. JJ98 (Talk) 05:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Chip Yates
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The result of the discussion was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chip Yates

Remove per WP:FAKEARTICLE. User apparently copied this from a now-deleted article. Drmies (talk) 04:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Abandoned, promotional, unsourced BLP WP:FAKEARTICLE. Wikipedia is not a resume service. This page represents the user's only live edit, which was made in 2009. MER-C 04:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Slap Drmies for This was a bitey edit. Apologise to Swigzracing (talk · contribs), and encourage him to move the draft into his own userspace or directly to mainspace (with reverted improvements added back. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • You know what, Joe--first of all, come on now (your imperatives aren't very friendly either). Second, it wasn't until I saw some other MfDs here that it seemed likely that people get to user space by accident, thinking something is an article, and I still wonder how that happens. But I'll drop a note on that user's page when I have a moment. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Nice note you posted to Swigzracing. I withdraw the slap. Note that the userpage is highly ranked by google, I addeded {{NOINDEX}}, I thought that noindexing was by default in userspace? What are "imperatives"? We should link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chip Yates, and also ask Swigzracing to consider some of the points made there. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Imperative mood.

          Like Drmies, I find your imperatives to be arrogant and lacking collegiality. That Drmies followed your sound but cavalierly given advice speaks volumes about his character. Cunard (talk) 07:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

          • Ah, I see how what I wrote is being read. I did not intend with "Apologise to..." to imperatively direct Drmies, but intended, as if a new dot point, that "we" wikipedians, or just me, should apologise to Swigzracing for unceremoniously rejecting his first contributions. I assume that Swigzracing found the site via google and that this is his first encounter with the project, and I was writing for be benefit of Swigzracing, who I assume is reading this. In fact, I would not direct anyone to apologise in such a manner, being much in line with the views found at User:Geo Swan/On apologies. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • SmokeyJoe certainly had a point that I could have done a better job explaining to the editor why I reverted them; at the time, I left a welcome template, but that's kind of an easy way out, I realize. Joe, your email message was received in the same spirit in which I believe it was sent, and there are no bad feelings. Thank you Cunard, thank you Joe. Drmies (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • On looking closely again at the page, I am pleased to see Swigzracing added in-line references of a kind, but unfortunately they were not of the "independent" "secondary source" kind, and little progress has been made in overcoming the reasons for deletion at the AfD. I suggest to Swigzracing that if he can find third party sources that discuss the subject directly, that he request userfication for himself and insert them, and ask someone for advice. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Old AfD-ed content. Insufficient progress in overcoming the reasons for deletion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Animal behavior
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The result of the discussion was Delete. --RL0919 (talk) 21:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Animal behavior

Dead project. Only two members. JJ98 (Talk) 02:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete too specific, two members, no content worth keeping. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete minimal content, nothing worth keeping. --Kleinzach 03:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have advised the other member/author, User:AshLin [2]. Maybe one of them can explain. Looks "stillborn". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree to deletion vide arguments above, without prejudice to my joining any new attempts to revive the WikiProject. AshLin (talk) 09:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rats-Pasngeld Rennab
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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rats-Pasngeld Rennab

per WP:UP#NOT, " pertaining to "entertainment" rather than "writing an encyclopedia". " CutOffTies (talk) 00:30, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Visnusen
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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Visnusen

per WP:UP#NOT, " pertaining to "entertainment" rather than "writing an encyclopedia". CutOffTies (talk) 00:30, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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April 12, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative fuels
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The result of the discussion was redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:29, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative fuels

Dead project, only 6 members. JJ98 (Talk) 23:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphical content problem (2nd nomination)
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The result of the discussion was keep Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:53, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphical content problem

Anomalous 'failed' project proposal dealing with disturbing or objectionable images. Started informally in 2005, inactive 2007, proposed for deletion 2008. No members, discussion on project rather than talk page, no subpages found. Suggest possible redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media, rather than delete. --Kleinzach 23:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename Wikipedia:Management of disturbing graphical content and leave tagged as a {{failed}} proposal. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If you delete it, it will be proposed again and again. The intention of this nomination isn't clear to me. IIRC, I proposed that because people were discussing the deletion of NSFW images from wikipedia (with no way of undeletion) back in the day. Ultimately and fortunately the idea was scrapped so the proposal itself became unnecessary. With the page there when such a thing is proposed again you can always link to the rejected idea. -- Cat chi? 13:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep as proposed marked (failed). The general topic has been of recent note, indeed, vide Jimbo and Commons and "porn". This may keep WP from repeatedly reinventing wheels. Collect (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep mark as fail - so we dont have to go over all this again.Moxy (talk)
  • Keep for historical reference. Kansan (talk) 07:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per others above and redirect Wikipedia:Management of disturbing graphical content to it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean Rename per SmokeyJoe? You can't redirect from something that doesn't exist. --Kleinzach 00:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Committee of Wikipedians
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The result of the discussion was redirect to Wikipedia:Wikipedians Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:25, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Committee of Wikipedians

Committee of 5 members that existed in 2004-2005. Mission was to "defend the rights of Wikipedia contributors". Two discussions. No subpages identified. Founder informed. Delete or Redirect to Wikipedia:Wikipedians? --Kleinzach 02:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect - No reason to delete the history. It was mentioned on the Wikipedia Announcements page, for instance. Graham87 04:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • redirect or delete I have completely forgotten about this. It's only of the historical interests. -- Taku (talk)
  • Delete per above, no reason to redirect since it's so old and not referenced from anywhere. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Old business

April 12, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Aiwa2009/Zack Hadley
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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Aiwa2009/Zack Hadley

Delete Stale draft about an individual of questionable notability. Pichpich (talk) 22:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Promotion. No third party sources. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:PiRSqr/SocialSense
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The result of the discussion was Delete. --RL0919 (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:PiRSqr/SocialSense

Draft content from deleted/redirected article (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SocialSense) on blocked editor's user page. Flowanda | Talk 07:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Advocate Cabal
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The result of the discussion was Delete. --RL0919 (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Advocate Cabal

Entity started and died in 2006, had a coordinator (being informed of this Mfd), but no members. Now listed as inactive project. (Subpage: Wikipedia:Advocate Cabal/5-minute advocate tutorial. Delete or redirect to Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal? --Kleinzach 01:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This was a pilot project of mine that didn't work. Given the cataclysmic demise of the AMA since then, I think it is best put to death. Would you mind moving that tutorial subpage over to my userspace, though? (Incidentally I think we could do this as a speedy instead since I believe I may be the only content author?) --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not the sole content author, because there were some cases filed on that main page. So, we have to go through the MFD process. So sorry about this, folks! --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 01:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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April 9, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:LeaveDogLights/Hotel Carolina
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The result of the discussion was to Redirect both to their respective articles. The single userspace edit for Hotel Carolina is practically the same edit that created the article, with an extra paragraph that originally caused the article to be CSDed. The Voodoo Jets userspace has no valuable history to merge. Redirects are for the user's benefit as mentioned below. MrKIA11 (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:LeaveDogLights/Hotel Carolina

WP:STALEDRAFT - draft for Hotel Carolina, single edit in September 2010. User has gone on to edit the proper article itself so I do not see a need for this anymore. Green Giant (talk) 02:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. --Kleinzach 07:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Hotel Carolina. Not a staledraft, but an actual draft version of the current mainspapce article. Just create the redirect that would have been automatically created had've the user done the normal thing and wp:moved the draft to mainspace. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • We don't redirect across namespaces, as I recall. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 17:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • You are mistaken. We don't redirect from mainsace to userspace certainly, from redirects from userspace to mainspace are not a problem. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete since we don't redirect out of userspace and this clearly meets WP:STALEDRAFT. I get the feeling that SmokeyJoe is blatantly turning a blind eye to the established policies and precedents at MFD and is !voting the opposing opinion just to stir the pot. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seeing as Cunard doesn't like my use of {{cn}} to focus on another's point of assertion, I should ask explicitly. TenPoundHammer, on what basis do you say "we don't redirect out of userspace" (without qualification)? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not at all. It is normal practice to make a userspace draft, and to later move it to mainspace. This leaves a userspace to mainspace redirect behind. Since when has that been a problem? This is not a staledraft because it is an actual draft version of a live article. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trying to get my head round this one . .." SmokeyJoe: What is the point of what you are suggesting? Isn't a redirect for navigation? Why would you want to have a redirect from a user page to mainspace? --Kleinzach 23:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding to that... if it's indeed a userspace draft, there should be no links pointing to it. Any page where the draft is under discussion can be annotated with the article name, and other links can be pointed to the article. There is no good reason for a redirect. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 01:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Klein, the point is only for the benefit of User:LeaveDogLights. He may look for it, and may be interest in his own history of edits. In general, a user's userspace stuff is only there for that user's uses.
  • Ultraexactzz, I don't get what you are saying. There will be no links pointing to it, except for this MfD page. Its not really a draft, better to call it an early version. The purpose of redirecting is to leave the bare minimum for the user to manage himself. Hhe may choose to retain for his records, or U1/G7 it. I am agreeing that the page should not remain live. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having re-read WP:REDIRECT, I don't see anything that would specifically prohibit such a redirect. But, again, if this redirect is only for the editor in question - why not put a link to the article on his/her userpage? Seems like that would be a much simpler option. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, oppose redirect WP:UP#COPIES states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion."

    Because this page violates WP:UP#COPIES and WP:NOTWEBHOST, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cunard, this page is not a copy (as per WP:UP#COPIES), but is an unattributed actual version of the current article. WP:NOTWEBHOST does not apply because the content relates to project purposes.
While a redirect, or history merge, or other postscript attribution method, is unnecessary (the author list would be unaffected), redirecting this page would have been the simplest and easiest thing to do. It would not require an MfD discussion. On finding the page, the editor can fix it, for good, in seconds.
The beauty of converting a remnant of a copy-paste move to a redirect is that it produces a similar result as if the editor had done the proper thing at the time, which is to wp:move the userspace draft to mainspace (although the history is now divided). Whether the userspace redirect is of any use is then a question for the user. Some users like to keep records of all their work. Others like to keep their workspace clean. There are no server, or performance differences either way. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I still oppose redirects, a history merge is reasonable. See my revised position below. Cunard (talk) 04:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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April 8, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Common Sense
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The result of the discussion was Keep, will tag with {{defunct}}, which is a pre-existing tag similar in concept to the "mothballed" proposal mentioned below. --RL0919 (talk) 21:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Common Sense

Dead project, only two members. JJ98 (Talk) 22:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete 2009 project. No discussions. Absolutely no reason to keep this. --Kleinzach 23:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some fine sentiments but it is not a WikiProject. The author may like to convert to an essay. The nominator really should advise the main author. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because it's common sense to delete a Wikiproject that never had members or content. But then, you form an infinite loop of sorts, and the whole project goes OH SHI- Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Informed page creator - any admins, please do not delete until the user has had a chance to comment/copy the WikiProject into their name space as an essay. The Helpful One 12:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and mark as historical. We might just as well make it official. ;) Hans Adler 14:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentKeep, from originator. Ah, hmmm... this is something that I started as a lark a long time ago, and then forgot about. It's an interesting idea, and I'd hate to see it deleted outright since I might come back to it at some point. If I might make a suggestion, why don't we make up a new 'mothballed' template and tag it that way - something like:
probably want to make a 'mothballed' category, as well. There's no shortage of space on the servers, and this isn't taking up any bandwidth, so... would that work for everyone? If so, I'll whip up the template today. --Ludwigs2 15:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nota bene* I should add, userfication is not an option here - if you move this into my userspace I will move it straight back into project space, which is where I think it belongs. Userfication (as a general rule) is stupid. Either decide to delete it or decide to keep it. --Ludwigs2 16:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy as an essay, as suggested above, makes the most sense to me; otherwise, deletion seems most consistent with WP convention. 'Mothballing' doesn't seem to be the way such (unused) content is handled, generally. -- Scray (talk) 20:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems clear that userfication is not an option if the user in question remains determined to keep this in article space (even if consensus were to support userfication). Marking historical seems the best second choice. -- Scray (talk) 22:21, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy (or mothball) for when come the resurrection. BECritical__Talk 20:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy as personal essay. Mathsci (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark historical or mothball per proposal above. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy per Scray and Mathsci. Given the support above this seems the best option available to us. --Kleinzach 00:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, do not userfy. This is a dormant WikiProject, created in good faith and with more than one member. As anyone who can read the TOC can tell you, it is not an essay, and trying to make it into one would necessitate removing most of the content. No argument has been advanced as to why this is so radically different from every other dormant WikiProject to demand deletion. We do not delete unproblematic projectspace pages which were initiated with the intent of advancing the project. Maintaining historical record however seemingly trivial is an important goal – we cannot tell today what will be useful to the researchers of tomorrow. Storage is cheap, default to keep. Skomorokh 14:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am not questioning the originator's good faith, and I don't think that's the issue. This just looks much more like an essay than a project - essentially all of the content is in the "Goals" section. There's only one content editor (the originator). -- Scray (talk) 22:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If I'd meant to write an essay, I'd have written an essay. I think it's self-evident that that this was not intended to be that. --Ludwigs2 00:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't commenting on your intention. I was commenting on what I see. Just my $0.02. -- Scray (talk) 02:33, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I realize that. I'm just pointing out that this is obviously intended to be a project, not an essay. the fact that I stopped working on it in the middle of an explanation doesn't change that. I'm confused about how and why you would assume this is an essay - it's like you saw a car that was missing two wheels and declared it must be a motorcycle. --Ludwigs2 05:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting analogy you provide. One would have to be either blind or stupid to mistake a car for a motorcycle! The analogy you offer only convinces me that you don't have a better argument than a thinly-veiled insult. -- Scray (talk) 15:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Scray, do you meant to suggest that I need to make an argument that something labeled as a wikiproject and structured as a wikiproject is not an essay? We all have mistaken opinions - you've had one here; I've had them elsewhere - that's not a problem. Sticking to our mistakes like glue, however, is a problem. It's not an essay, clearly, so let it go so that we can all forget about the point and talk about more interesting discussions. --Ludwigs2 18:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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April 4, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jazz2jazz/Benjamin C. Sands, Jr.
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The result of the discussion was No consensus. Reasonable positions on both sides, a relatively even split of opinion, and no strong weighting based on policy one way or the other. --RL0919 (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jazz2jazz/Benjamin C. Sands, Jr.

userfyed article on non notable person, its author has not edited it, (or any other article ) for 6 weeks WuhWuzDat 14:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete-- WP:STALEDRAFT. --E♴(talk) 22:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A bit too close to promotion to leave around untouched. I see that Google is indexing it. Undelete if someone wants to work on it some more and con provide third party sources. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. 6 weeks hiatus is just too short a time to consider deletion. --Kleinzach 00:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Again stipulating that six months is a reasonable period of time. Collect (talk) 19:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOTADVERTISING. The promotional nature of the draft ("Well seasoned in a variety of styles including Jazz, Gospel, Haitian, Latin American, Brazilian, Caribbean and Classical musics, he is an in-demand freelance musician") qualifies it for speedy deletion under {{db-spam}}. The sources in the article fail to establish notability in that none of them are reliable. There are YouTube videos and unreliable links that provide merely a passing mention in a list of names (e.g. this). A Google News Archive search indicates that Benjamin C. Sands is not notable. Because the subject is non-notable, because this violates WP:NOTADVERTISING, and because the creator is a single-purpose account created solely to post his résumé, the 6 months leeway given to userspace drafts should not be followed here. Spam should always be deleted, regardless of its having been here for six days, six weeks, or six months. Cunard (talk) 04:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now Per Collect, renominate when it is inactive for 6 months, 6 weeks is to short to be sure it really is a stale draft. {{NOINDEX}} should be fine till then. Monty845 18:26, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main argument for deletion is not that it's a "stale draft". The main argument for deletion is that regardless of the passage of time, Wikipedia should not be hosting non-notable spam for a single-purpose account. Cunard (talk) 23:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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March 31, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Modular Articles
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The result of the discussion was {{defunct}} --Salix (talk): 12:58, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Modular Articles

Project to 'modularise' WP articles that existed with three members in November-December 2006. --Kleinzach 02:44, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete-- some old stuff from 2006, nothing worth keeping. --E♴(talk) 14:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We do not delete inactive wikiprojects simply because they're inactive. Contains some talk page discussion, so tag as inactive. -- Ned Scott 09:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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  • Delete the discussion on the talk page is merely self-referential or in relation to Wikipedia Day and other long-retired artifacts from the olden days. Nothing worth keeping. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the "Wikipedia Day" comment went on every project User:Badbilltucker could find. So far, I've seen it on every ancient WikiProject proposed for deletion. Zetawoof (ζ) 07:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The talk page contains significantly meaningful conversation of continuing relevance by committed wikipedians. Definitely worth keeping. No reasons for deletion. Could support changing it to an essay, as it seems to have never functioned as a wikiproject. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How exactly could you change a talk page into an essay? By completely rewriting it? --Kleinzach 08:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admittedly, that is not obvious, but a big deal need not be made of it. I could reword the first two sentences (i.e the entire content) on the project page, pretty easily, and simply change the tag. The talk page format is not really a problem. Our policy's and guideline's talk pages commonly contain a very large amount of mini-essays. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds highly creative, but not an outcome for a Mfd closure. Why not change your 'keep' to 'delete', while copying the material to your user page for recreation as an essay incorporating historical material? --Kleinzach 01:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd prefer to keep. By copying, even with sufficient attribution, individual edits are deleted and this makes it harder to follow and study specific editors contributions chronologically. They may, for example, have been saying similar things in different places that day. The contributions of the contributors on this page are often deep and valuable, and should be kept, even if behind a redirect. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right, so we can assume you are dropping the essay idea, yes? --Kleinzach 23:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was just an idea, not a committed position. I appreciate your interest in cleaning up the stuff beginning with "Wikipedia:WikiProject". Did you see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Activity_reports "The data is fascinating. It looks like ~10% of our WikiProjects received zero non-bot edits during the last year. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)". Agree there's room to do something about inactive clutter, just not sure we've explored all options, where deletion is the last resort. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also appreciate your interest in preserving the early history of WP. I just hope you can find a good place to put all this stuff. --Kleinzach 04:30, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There has been a lot of unconcluded ideas about this, posted in various places. I'd like to summarise and propose a solution at Wikipedia:Inactive wikiProjects. Perhaps all inactive, defunct (were active but faulty) and stillborn (but maybe a fair idea) could be moved to subpages of that page. Inactive wikiProjects are already well categorised, but that is not obvious enough. Having "Inactive" in the Page Title and URL would make it hard to miss, in every incoming reference and edit recorded. You don't seem to object to redirects remaining at titles beginning "Wikipedia:WikiProject ..."? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Awareness
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The result of the discussion was No consensus. --RL0919 (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Awareness

Delete. Project started to raise awareness of Wikipedia, active 2006-7. Had 12 members, some discussions but no organization. Project page explained it was "still in planning stages". --Kleinzach 01:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete-- no activity since 2007. --E♴(talk) 14:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We do not delete WikiProjects simply for being inactive. Contains significant talk page discussion. -- Ned Scott 09:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do too. Delete because it's completely inactive and never really was active. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:44, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mismatch surely? Awareness was " . . . to spread awareness of Wikipedia and the ability to edit it freely around real-life communities in order to try and attract more contributors from a variety of ages." whereas Outreach "has the goal of encouraging and helping the smaller wikis. . . . ". --Kleinzach 23:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first quote sounds very much like outreach as I understand the term. The second is about outreach to and for smaller WikiMedia project. The connection I see is that Wikipedia once had use of outreach, though now no longer, and such sentiments have moved on to less famous fronts of WikiMedia. I think it should be redirected to the next best thing, that that was what I found. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Counter-intuitive redirecting — in this case from 'outreach' to something more like 'inreach' — would be a disservice to anyone following the link. Delete surely is still the best option in this case. --Kleinzach 00:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reasoning with a little fuzzy logic, perhaps, I may concede. But for it to be a reasonable redirect, it only has to be reasonable that someone in future may use it again. I believe that, very weakly. But whatever, I strongly disagree with deletion of the talk page, and the project page then needs to be retained as context for the talk page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:13, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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March 30, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Free music
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The result of the discussion was to turn into a task force of WikiProject Music. MrKIA11 (talk) 02:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Free music

Dead project. Project started back in 2008 and went inactive in 2011 with 7 members. JJ98 (Talk) 22:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Taskforce for Music project. Have notified a couple of still active members. --Kleinzach 23:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark as historical or delete I err towards the first one in most cases, but looking this project, which mind you is a good idea, little is gained by preserving it. The two things I see at that project are Wikipedia:Sound/list, which is incomplete and never will be complete, and a few links to tools and sites which, if corrected for outdated material, boils down to "get audacity." I'll be sad to see it go, but only because I'd have hoped it would have had a better life. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark historical or turn it into a taskforce, if only to preserve the extensive discussions on the project's talk page. I used to be an active participant in that project. Of course free music is still being uploaded, but it's not being dealt with there anymore. Graham87 03:18, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taskforce per above. --E♴(talk) 14:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taskforce under WikiProject Music. — La Pianista  13:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Task force per above. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Golden ratio (2nd nomination)
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The result of the discussion was Marked as defunct per WP:INACTIVEWP--Salix (talk): 10:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Golden ratio

This project previously nominated back in August, and tagged as inactive. This project has only six members and no activity since. JJ98 (Talk) 04:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as failed (or make into Task force, but only if Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics want it). --Kleinzach 04:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – as a member, I had forgotten it existed. Never was useful or active. Dicklyon (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- per nom. --E♴(talk) 14:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We do not delete inactive projects simply because they're inactive. There's a ton of discussion on the talk page and a lot of work on the project page. It was nominated for deletion and kept less than a year ago, so why on earth would you nominate it again? -- Ned Scott 09:23, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the extensive discussion on the talk page. For example:
Content
I would be happy to build templates for the project including stub template(s) and a Project Banner. I'll build a couple drafts in my sandbox and check back. Someone needs to declare a free image to be the logo however. Adam McCormick (talk) 01:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think a big φ would be nice. Or maybe a Vitruvian man, a nautilus, the parthenon, I dunno. There are many options to choose from.--20-dude (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC). I'm really thankful for the templates, I really suck making them.--20-dude (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to think of a good backronym for OSS, like Phi and Open Source Series...nah. Pete St.John (talk) 03:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Phi Over Spiral Shells? Adam McCormick (talk)
:-) Pete St.John (talk) 04:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Options

Anything from this category


The above seem to me to be the best choices (that exist already) What should we go with? Adam McCormick (talk) 04:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I like the second, its simple easy to spot easy to relate to the topic etc. Then again I ignore what the criteria for choosing images fot a wikiproject is. If we'd want (maybe we want maybe we dont, I'm sorry if I'm being too ambiguos here) to go with something more elaborated, I'd like like a combination of something real with something geometrical. Maybe I could combine a real nautilus shell with the fibonacci spiral of the image #2.--20-dude (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC) But it is all up to you guys--20-dude (talk) 07:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mean image #3? I like the triangulation of the spiral; maybe side-by-side with a nautilus shell, and a caption like, "the shell is grown with chambers that fit increasing triangles in a golden ration" somesuch. I'm good with the sunflowers but slack on the seashells.Pete St.John (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If there is going to be a project for articles related to the golden ratio — that is still an open question, as far as I am concerned — the most logical symbol would be some version of a lower case (not upper case) phi. is the version most often seen in the professional literature and is the one most used on Wikipedia. The capital phi () is not generally used for the golden ratio in scholarly writing. The various "golden" geometric figures or constructions, including those suggested above, would not scale down well for use as a project symbol. Finell (Talk) 13:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - it'd be like writing A²= B² + C², I guess it'd be somewhat ok, but it's not that common in books. --20-dude (talk) 21:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC) I have always used it this way: Φ=1/φ=1.618.. and φ=0.618.. Many people talk about phy and mean 1.618, enven the AutoCAD's calculator has the constant φ as 1.618 but I have always thought they are wrong, but I don't know howcome.--20-dude (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The golden ratio is the ratio of consecutive fibonacci numbers (in the limit); so phi has to be > 1, else fibonacci numbers would converge :-) It's the positive root of the characteristic polynomial x^2 = x + 1. Pete St.John (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it could be an abstact φ emuling the fibonacci spiral. I also have a soft spot for something da vinci-like--20-dude (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like because it defines the golden ratio visually in a very clear way. JRSpriggs (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely don't find that clear, maybe it's just me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanbly (talk • contribs)
To Alanbly: Do you see that the three triangles in the picture are isosceles triangles and that the smallest one is similar to the largest? JRSpriggs (talk) 07:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I only perceive the inner two as isosceles, the big one looks escalene to me. However, thank you , before your post I didn't even noticed the inner two were isosceles and therefore the figure didn't make sense to me. On its downside, as per finell's previous unrelated comment, I think the use of numbers and constant is wrong. What the image puts as φ, because it is 1.618 and not 0.618, should be Φ. Or what the image puts as φ, should be one and what the image puts as 1 should be φ--20-dude (talk) 08:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although I ignore if there is an aplying gudeline for this case, I think the image shuold be an evocative abstraction.--20-dude (talk) 08:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Does anyone has a Graphic Designer friend?--20-dude (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
JRSpriggs has the symbols and values correct according to the most widely used convention: (lower case phi) denotes the golden ratio, which is approximately 1.618...; (upper case Phi), or sometimes , denotes the reciprocal of the golden ratio, which is sometimes referred to as the golden ratio conjugate, and is approximately 0.618... This notation is explained in the Golden ratio article. (Last night, some well-meaning but misguided anon painstakingly reversed all the symbols in the Golden ratio article, but I reverted them back.) So, if something is designed with golden ratio proportions on a larger scale than a simple rectangle or triangle, you can have a progression such as
JRSpriggs's triangles exhibit such a progression. So do regular geometric figures and pattens with 5-fold symmetry (e.g., pentagons, pentagrams, dodecahedra, Penrose tilings). Some see such a progression at several scales by superimposing golden rectangles of varying sizes over the Parthenon. Others point out that "finding" these golden proportions in the Parthenon depends on precisely where one chooses to superimpose the rectangles, that the large-scale elements of the Parthenon are not precisely orthogonal and the lines are not all straight, and that the findings are subject to the vagaries of measurement. The same arguments accompany other disputed retrospective sightings of the golden ratio in man-made works. Personally, I think that the case for the Parthenon is fairly strong, but others are more skeptical.
Rather than attempting to "start from scratch" in your contributions to Wikipedia on the subject of the golden ratio, I urge you to study the Golden ratio article and its content forks (Golden ratio itself is the most heavily vetted of the family), and not to dismiss the extensive study and work that Wikipedians before you have done on this subject.
Addressing the underlying question, while JRSpriggs's triangles are a good exemplification of the golden ratio, I do not think that his figure would look like much when scaled down to the small thumbnail size of a logotype for a project template. Again, rather than "starting from scratch", please look at the sort of symbols that are used in other templates. Finell (Talk) 19:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I see what you're getting at now but it's just too complicated for a logo. And I've always though logos need lots of color. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I missled you too much when using the phrase "starting from scratch". What I ment back then was not to throw away the previous lists of references, but to start organizig them from scratch. That means from the original texts of the primary authors to the researchers of the researchers of the researchers. I know recomending reading a comic sounds weird, but read Alan Moore's "chasing gulls" epilogue in the "From Hell" compilation: there comes a point in which you stop studing the original object and distract too much you attention as a researcher to the "researching" of the all previous "researchers". I'm not stating that any researcher in the middle would be wrong, but just that investigations can get polluted.
Of course, as an encyclopedia, we're and must be all about secondary sources, that's more agreed, but the least we should to is stablish some order with our sources. From the oldest, to the newest, from the archaic to the currently recognized by academies; from the most reliable to the least proffetional... and so on. Then again, since I don't have neither the time nor the deep knowledge tools, I went with the practical thing: The books of the ground breaking authors in chronological order, then the million of contemporary academic/scientific researchers, then academic/scientific internet, then the rest of the iternet crap. I did my best and I mean well in terms of verifiability.--20-dude (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Dude: I don't understand exactly what you are addressing. For example, it appears that you had Phi and phi reversed, and you reversed them in your comments about JRSpriggs's correct use of notation. That was clearly explained in Golden ratio, so you had to ignore that article to reverse the notation. I am not confining my remark to sources. Regarding sources, I don't know what you mean by "from the archaic to the currently recognized by academies; from the most reliable to the least proffetional" [sic]. There are no extant archaic sources on the golden ratio. The "least proffetional" [sic] are, by definition, not reliable and therefore are not usable on Wikipedia at all. Wikipedia's sole criterion for sources is reliability, the more reliable the better, as understood today. Finell (Talk) 05:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I have been wrong for over 5 years about it. As for I don't understand exactly what you are addressing, me neither, don't take me too seriously, I divagate a lot. I sometimes consider the "least proffetional" [sic, haha :P], when they take you to good souces or "the most reliable". Now let's divagate some more: Tadao Ando was a truck driver and a boxer, to make the story short, I'll just say that you don't need a university title to get a Pritzker. That's the reach of the least professional.--20-dude (talk) 05:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The image of the three triangles is not my image; Jheald (talk · contribs) deserves credit for it. I merely picked from the images on the wiki-commons. I tried to pick the image which defined the golden ratio in the most immediately obvious way (to me). If someone can make or find a better one, I would applaud him. JRSpriggs (talk) 07:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even if somebody does so, nobody can deny (not that somebody is trying to either) you have been really helpful to the cause.--20-dude (talk) 05:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Project Banner and Stubs

I have made an assessment banner located here there are a couple examples of functionality transcluded to the talk page, tell me what you think. (I know the image isn't right yet, but I had to use something. Adam McCormick (talk) 04:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a stub tag here. I'll be back on tomorrow if there are any major issues. Adam McCormick (talk) 04:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Given the lack of opposition, I'm going to move these to project space and link to them from this page. Adam McCormick (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Having reviewed the stub sorting policy page at WP:WSS/P I'm not sure of the need for a stub template. But the banner will stand for now. Adam McCormick (talk) 02:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting this valuable discussion would not be beneficial to Wikipedia. I see no pressing reason to overturn the "mark inactive" result at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Golden ratio. Cunard (talk) 08:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Coca-Cola
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The result of the discussion was Merge into the Beverages Task Force Salix (talk): 08:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Coca-Cola

This project has only one member. There two members, including one blocked as a sockpuppet, and one unblocked member. I doubt that project will cover any articles relating to Coca-Cola, it might be better to be suited as a task force of WP:FOOD. JJ98 (Talk) 03:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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March 29, 2011

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Piers
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The result of the discussion was Merge to WikiProject Architecture. --RL0919 (talk) 16:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Piers

Project started in 2006 with 6 participants. Now long dead. Architecture Project have been informed of this Mfd. (Subpage: Wikipedia:WikiProject Piers/Changelog).--Kleinzach 23:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete-- almost no activity since 2006. --E♴(talk) 00:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. JJ98 (Talk) 08:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge as a task force of the Architecture WikiProject. We do not delete WikiProjects simply because they are inactive. -- Ned Scott 09:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the Maritime Taskforce of WP:Transport. (WP:PORTS was merged there) 65.93.12.101 (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Long inactive, sure, but it cannot really be described as a complete non-starter. The scope of this WikiProject is nevertheless too narrow; I think it would be better off merged into a larger, active WikiProject. WP:WikiProject Architecture is one potential candidate, as mentioned above; however, I think WikiProject Transport's Maritime Taskforce would be the best merge target. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 18:37, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually the pages, especially the discussions, concentrated on English seaside pleasure piers — nothing to do with transport. --Kleinzach 04:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's true. But regardless of the focus of those discussions, I think most articles about piers have something to do with maritime transport. Then again, piers are all architectural works, I suppose. Ultimately, articles about piers can be placed under the umbrella of multiple WikiProjects, so the question of to which project we merge this is not a critical matter. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 07:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete redundant to existing wikiprojects, so little content exists that a merge is superfluous. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to WP:WikiProject Architecture. The main impact of this project seems to be Template:WikiProject Piers which appears on a few hundred pages and which seem to cover both recreational and transportation piers. Templates for inactive wikiprojects are just a waste of space. Of the candidate wikiprojects the Maritime Taskforce is just too narrow, while Architecture can cover all articles. It might be appropriate to switch some of the articles to the Maritime Taskforce's project banner.--Salix (talk): 08:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to WP:WikiProject Architecture as best option based on discussion above. --Kleinzach 13:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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