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If [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|the rules]] make you [[fear|nervous]] and [[clinical depression|depressed]], and not desirous of participating in the [[Wiki]], then '''ignore them''' and go about your [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|business]].
If [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|the rules]] make you [[fear|nervous]] and [[clinical depression|depressed]], and not desirous of participating in the [[Wiki]], then '''ignore them''' and go about your [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|business]].


Just remember that the purpose of Wikipedia is to create an [[encyclopedia]]; use common sense, and "[[m:don't be a dick|don't be a dick]]".
Just remember that the purpose of Wikipedia is to create an [[encyclopedia]]; use common sense, and "[[m:don't be a dick|don't be a dick]]".
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The purpose of Wikipedia is to create an [[encyclopedia]]. Our rules serve as a flexible framework to support that purpose, but if the prospect of policy and bureaucracy makes you uncomfortable, then simply '''use common sense''' as you go about working on the encyclopedia. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause you to lose perspective, so there are times when it is best to '''ignore all rules'''.

Ignoring all rules is about cutting through [[red tape]] to construct an encyclopedia. Remember, [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy|Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy]]. Some actions may be reasonable, even if they might be against a strict interpretation of a certain rule. Conversely, some actions that are not expressly forbidden by rule may still be obnoxious and lead to negative consequences. The spirit of the rules is more important than the letter.

'''Ignore all rules''' is not a license to do anything you please. Some rules on Wikipedia, such as [[WP:NPOV|NPOV]], are so basic that to violate them makes your contributions no longer useful. Disregarding a rule without good reason is not good; the corollary to "Ignore all rules" is "[[Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point|Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point]]". Invoking the principle of "Ignore all rules" on its own will not convince anyone that you were right, so you will need to persuade the rest of the community that your actions improved the encyclopedia.

Jimbo has explained the context for "ignore all rules":

:Perhaps I should explain what it means to me. It does not mean that it is ok to make personal attacks. It does not mean that it is ok to be a POV pusher. And so on and so forth. What it really means is that, ideally, our rules should be formed in such a fashion that an ordinary helpful kind thoughtful person doesn't really even need to know the rules. You just get to work, do something fun, and nobody hassles you as long as you are being thoughtful and kind.

:What we want to avoid is a situation in which people are blasted for petty offenses with rules that they could never have guessed at in the first place. Yes we have style standards for example, but if someone doesn't adhere, we just fix it and leave them a friendly note, rather than yelling at them for breaking a rule. --Jimbo Wales 16:36, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Therefore, "ignore all rules" has two implications:

*First, that '''the spirit of the rules is more important than the letter''' because [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not]] a bureaucracy.
*Second, that '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia has too many rules|ignorance is an acceptable excuse]]''' if you break rules when you are making good contributions.

===How to ignore all rules===
Once you have determined that to '''ignore all rules''' is the only way to proceed, you need not be entirely without guidance. (Although, if you really want you can feel free to ignore this advice as well.)

Research existing guidelines first to see if there is anything tangentially related at least. Failing that, look at previous admin decisions, polls that may be related, and perhaps check meta and meatball to see if there has been discussion in related areas. As a last resort, check other wikimedia wikis, or other sources entirely.

If there's really nothing out there that's close, you'll have to be creative.

But whatever you do: try to at least stay as close to existing policy as possible. A skilled application of '''ignore all rules''' should ideally fly under the radar, and not be noticed at all.

Finally, if you notice that your application of ignore all rules has worked well (i.e., it flew under the radar, or you were complimented) write down what you did in the Wikipedia namespace, either by editing existing guideline pages, or by creating a new page, and marking it as a guideline. Further iterations of ignore all rules can then be based off your work.

In this manner, Wikipedia guidelines become fluid and effortless.
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==[[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]]'s Cautions==
[[Wikipedia:Ignore all rules]] (abbreviated to IAR) is perhaps one of the most controversial guidelines we have on Wikipedia. It is controversial because it goes against all the other policies and guidelines which we have. This is my essay on what I think is appropriate and inappropriate use of IAR.

==I am not utterly opposed to IAR==
Even though I have classified myself as having a [[Lawful Neutral]] alignment (follow the rules, for better or for worse), I do think that the idea behind IAR is correct. I am not someone who believes that we should follow the rules and policies, just for the sake of following the rules and policies, up to the point where it is ridiculous.
===Example: Three revert rule exception===
What?! I am going straight for, not a guideline, but an ''official policy''? Yes that is precisely what I'm doing. The official policy does come with two official exceptions, people are allowed to revert their own userpage as much as they like, and they are allowed to revert "simple vandalism" more than three times. These situations were considered to be so common that a built-in exception clause was required.

Now for the IAR... There is no exception provided for administrators who routinely clear the [[WP:AIV]] page after blocking a vandal. Yet it would be utterly ''ridiculous'' if we started blocking administrators for consistently "reverting" back to the "LIST EMPTY" position. The reason we have the 3RR is to prevent edit warring, and the routine maintenance of AIV does not constitute that. Does it mean we should add this as an exception clause to the 3RR policy? I would say: ''Only if some administrator (with square eyes) actually starts blocking admins for it.'' Otherwise it will just be [[m:instruction creep]]. As it is, AIV works well and nobody has ever had any trouble with ignoring the 3RR in this case.

===Example 2:Speedy conclusions===
[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L. Paul Bremer]] was closed as a "speedy keep". Technically, it probably wasn't a valid speedy keep. The nomination was a good faith one, albeit an utterly misguided one, based on the article containing errors. It was also quite obvious from the debate that this was definitely going to be kept with overwhelming majority.

Nonetheless, it was technically an out of process deletion, and [[User:Rossami|Rossami]], an administrator who I greatly admire and respect, said that he would have reopened it had he seen it. (See [[Wikipedia_talk:Votes_for_deletion/August_2005#Request_for_Speedy_Closing_of_Starfleet_Ranks_VFD|the discussion]]). He has some valid points, but I think that invoking IAR on such a clear, overwhelming "keep" debate is no big deal. Following process would have led to the exact same result.

===Example 3:Manual of style===
The most frequent place where invoking IAR is justifiable is when writing articles. [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style]] is an awfully long document, and I think that nobody can be expected to learn it all in one go. If you are unsure of what the absolutely right style is, don't worry too much about it. When you write an article, just make sure it is verifiable (try to cite sources as well), contains enough information to make it useful, and do what "looks right" and [[WP:BOLD|be bold]].

If you were right about the way you formatted your article, then that's good. If you were wrong, somebody will probably come along and correct it. Your contribution was still valuable. If you were wrong and nobody comes along to correct it, well then it was probably not a big deal anyway.

==Responsible and irresponsible use of IAR==
IAR can be a great danger if it is abused however. Those who choose to ignore a policy or guideline must be prepared to accept accountability for it. In particular:
===Admins should be especially cautious===
The administrators' deletion, protection and blocking tools are things which can only be reversed by another administrator. Usage of them is against the usual open-content philosophy of Wikipedia. It is the reason that we don't give them to everybody. When we entrust userss with those tools, we trust them to use their new powers in a responsible manner.

Also in regular editing, admins (and incidentally other experienced editors) need to be cautious. Admins need to be good role models, new contributors often look to the veterans for advice. If we want the newcomers to follow the rules, it is best to lead by example. "Do as I say, not as I do" just won't work.
===Process exists for a reason===
The various processes we have, [[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]] may be the most familiar one, all exist for a reason. In the case of AFD, we have that process in order to give users a fair warning that an article might be deleted and to give the community a chance to have a say.

IAR should not be used as an excuse to subvert those processes. If users, and administrators are the ones with the tools to do so, regularly set about ignoring the outcome of those processes because they don't agree with them, we will have [[Wild West]] conditions.

Philosophically, let's assume that IAR meant that: "You may disregard the outcome of a process if you don't agree with it". To avoid hypocricy, we would need to give that right to everyone. Well, several people have disagreed with the outcome of processes. I know I have. I voted to "delete" [[Brian Chase (Wikipedia hoaxer)]], and would like to see the article deleted since the chief claim to notability is adding a hoax to Wikipedia. But the process showed a consensus to keep. If I were free to disagree with consensus and do exactly what I wanted, I would have deleted that article. But if everyone did whatever they pleased with blatant disregard to what the outcome was, ''what was the point of the process?'' Therefore, "You may disregard the outcome of a process if you don't agree with it" is untenable because it means that the process has no meaning because anyone may disregard it. We might as well scrap all our processes, give admin tools to everyone and say "just delete and undelete whatever you like".

===Breaking the rules can upset people===
It has often been said that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and that it is not supposed to be a community. Fair enough, but the fact is that it is the community that has built the encyclopedia, and that the community consists of people. By breaking the guidelines which people have been advised to follow, you might find that those hurt by the breach feel that you have acted unfairly. People who want a page to be kept will be upset when you delete it. They will feel upset even if the page was deleted in process, but deleting it out of process will make them angry and make them feel worth less because it seems that their opinions don't count. Telling them to shut up, and not care about process will just make you seem outright arrogant.

On the upsetting people issue, there is no surer way to upset people than to block them, so make sure all the blocks are in process. ''Never'' use IAR as a justification to block someone!
===When to ignore IAR===
If someone is upset at your breach of rules, they will probably let you know. If a rule is brought to your attention, then that is a time to ignore IAR.

==Conclusion==
IAR is a way to cut through red tape and to avoid everything turning into a ridiculously inflexible grind. Use common sense. Wikipedians are people, not robots who need to be programmed precisely. But don't use IAR as a justification for breaking the spirit of the rules with complete disregard for process other people.
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==See also==
==See also==

Revision as of 21:57, 2 February 2006

This page is very important to Wikipedia. The nature of the page, however, makes pinning it down as "official" or a "guideline" unhelpful. It has a long tradition, so please think hard about the reasons this page exists before editing or invoking it.


If the rules make you nervous and depressed, and not desirous of participating in the Wiki, then ignore them and go about your business.

Just remember that the purpose of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedia; use common sense, and "don't be a dick".

The purpose of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedia. Our rules serve as a flexible framework to support that purpose, but if the prospect of policy and bureaucracy makes you uncomfortable, then simply use common sense as you go about working on the encyclopedia. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause you to lose perspective, so there are times when it is best to ignore all rules.

Ignoring all rules is about cutting through red tape to construct an encyclopedia. Remember, Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. Some actions may be reasonable, even if they might be against a strict interpretation of a certain rule. Conversely, some actions that are not expressly forbidden by rule may still be obnoxious and lead to negative consequences. The spirit of the rules is more important than the letter.

Ignore all rules is not a license to do anything you please. Some rules on Wikipedia, such as NPOV, are so basic that to violate them makes your contributions no longer useful. Disregarding a rule without good reason is not good; the corollary to "Ignore all rules" is "Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point". Invoking the principle of "Ignore all rules" on its own will not convince anyone that you were right, so you will need to persuade the rest of the community that your actions improved the encyclopedia.

Jimbo has explained the context for "ignore all rules":

Perhaps I should explain what it means to me. It does not mean that it is ok to make personal attacks. It does not mean that it is ok to be a POV pusher. And so on and so forth. What it really means is that, ideally, our rules should be formed in such a fashion that an ordinary helpful kind thoughtful person doesn't really even need to know the rules. You just get to work, do something fun, and nobody hassles you as long as you are being thoughtful and kind.
What we want to avoid is a situation in which people are blasted for petty offenses with rules that they could never have guessed at in the first place. Yes we have style standards for example, but if someone doesn't adhere, we just fix it and leave them a friendly note, rather than yelling at them for breaking a rule. --Jimbo Wales 16:36, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Therefore, "ignore all rules" has two implications:

How to ignore all rules

Once you have determined that to ignore all rules is the only way to proceed, you need not be entirely without guidance. (Although, if you really want you can feel free to ignore this advice as well.)

Research existing guidelines first to see if there is anything tangentially related at least. Failing that, look at previous admin decisions, polls that may be related, and perhaps check meta and meatball to see if there has been discussion in related areas. As a last resort, check other wikimedia wikis, or other sources entirely.

If there's really nothing out there that's close, you'll have to be creative.

But whatever you do: try to at least stay as close to existing policy as possible. A skilled application of ignore all rules should ideally fly under the radar, and not be noticed at all.

Finally, if you notice that your application of ignore all rules has worked well (i.e., it flew under the radar, or you were complimented) write down what you did in the Wikipedia namespace, either by editing existing guideline pages, or by creating a new page, and marking it as a guideline. Further iterations of ignore all rules can then be based off your work.

In this manner, Wikipedia guidelines become fluid and effortless.

Sjakkalle's Cautions

Wikipedia:Ignore all rules (abbreviated to IAR) is perhaps one of the most controversial guidelines we have on Wikipedia. It is controversial because it goes against all the other policies and guidelines which we have. This is my essay on what I think is appropriate and inappropriate use of IAR.

I am not utterly opposed to IAR

Even though I have classified myself as having a Lawful Neutral alignment (follow the rules, for better or for worse), I do think that the idea behind IAR is correct. I am not someone who believes that we should follow the rules and policies, just for the sake of following the rules and policies, up to the point where it is ridiculous.

Example: Three revert rule exception

What?! I am going straight for, not a guideline, but an official policy? Yes that is precisely what I'm doing. The official policy does come with two official exceptions, people are allowed to revert their own userpage as much as they like, and they are allowed to revert "simple vandalism" more than three times. These situations were considered to be so common that a built-in exception clause was required.

Now for the IAR... There is no exception provided for administrators who routinely clear the WP:AIV page after blocking a vandal. Yet it would be utterly ridiculous if we started blocking administrators for consistently "reverting" back to the "LIST EMPTY" position. The reason we have the 3RR is to prevent edit warring, and the routine maintenance of AIV does not constitute that. Does it mean we should add this as an exception clause to the 3RR policy? I would say: Only if some administrator (with square eyes) actually starts blocking admins for it. Otherwise it will just be m:instruction creep. As it is, AIV works well and nobody has ever had any trouble with ignoring the 3RR in this case.

Example 2:Speedy conclusions

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L. Paul Bremer was closed as a "speedy keep". Technically, it probably wasn't a valid speedy keep. The nomination was a good faith one, albeit an utterly misguided one, based on the article containing errors. It was also quite obvious from the debate that this was definitely going to be kept with overwhelming majority.

Nonetheless, it was technically an out of process deletion, and Rossami, an administrator who I greatly admire and respect, said that he would have reopened it had he seen it. (See the discussion). He has some valid points, but I think that invoking IAR on such a clear, overwhelming "keep" debate is no big deal. Following process would have led to the exact same result.

Example 3:Manual of style

The most frequent place where invoking IAR is justifiable is when writing articles. Wikipedia:Manual of Style is an awfully long document, and I think that nobody can be expected to learn it all in one go. If you are unsure of what the absolutely right style is, don't worry too much about it. When you write an article, just make sure it is verifiable (try to cite sources as well), contains enough information to make it useful, and do what "looks right" and be bold.

If you were right about the way you formatted your article, then that's good. If you were wrong, somebody will probably come along and correct it. Your contribution was still valuable. If you were wrong and nobody comes along to correct it, well then it was probably not a big deal anyway.

Responsible and irresponsible use of IAR

IAR can be a great danger if it is abused however. Those who choose to ignore a policy or guideline must be prepared to accept accountability for it. In particular:

Admins should be especially cautious

The administrators' deletion, protection and blocking tools are things which can only be reversed by another administrator. Usage of them is against the usual open-content philosophy of Wikipedia. It is the reason that we don't give them to everybody. When we entrust userss with those tools, we trust them to use their new powers in a responsible manner.

Also in regular editing, admins (and incidentally other experienced editors) need to be cautious. Admins need to be good role models, new contributors often look to the veterans for advice. If we want the newcomers to follow the rules, it is best to lead by example. "Do as I say, not as I do" just won't work.

Process exists for a reason

The various processes we have, Articles for deletion may be the most familiar one, all exist for a reason. In the case of AFD, we have that process in order to give users a fair warning that an article might be deleted and to give the community a chance to have a say.

IAR should not be used as an excuse to subvert those processes. If users, and administrators are the ones with the tools to do so, regularly set about ignoring the outcome of those processes because they don't agree with them, we will have Wild West conditions.

Philosophically, let's assume that IAR meant that: "You may disregard the outcome of a process if you don't agree with it". To avoid hypocricy, we would need to give that right to everyone. Well, several people have disagreed with the outcome of processes. I know I have. I voted to "delete" Brian Chase (Wikipedia hoaxer), and would like to see the article deleted since the chief claim to notability is adding a hoax to Wikipedia. But the process showed a consensus to keep. If I were free to disagree with consensus and do exactly what I wanted, I would have deleted that article. But if everyone did whatever they pleased with blatant disregard to what the outcome was, what was the point of the process? Therefore, "You may disregard the outcome of a process if you don't agree with it" is untenable because it means that the process has no meaning because anyone may disregard it. We might as well scrap all our processes, give admin tools to everyone and say "just delete and undelete whatever you like".

Breaking the rules can upset people

It has often been said that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and that it is not supposed to be a community. Fair enough, but the fact is that it is the community that has built the encyclopedia, and that the community consists of people. By breaking the guidelines which people have been advised to follow, you might find that those hurt by the breach feel that you have acted unfairly. People who want a page to be kept will be upset when you delete it. They will feel upset even if the page was deleted in process, but deleting it out of process will make them angry and make them feel worth less because it seems that their opinions don't count. Telling them to shut up, and not care about process will just make you seem outright arrogant.

On the upsetting people issue, there is no surer way to upset people than to block them, so make sure all the blocks are in process. Never use IAR as a justification to block someone!

When to ignore IAR

If someone is upset at your breach of rules, they will probably let you know. If a rule is brought to your attention, then that is a time to ignore IAR.

Conclusion

IAR is a way to cut through red tape and to avoid everything turning into a ridiculously inflexible grind. Use common sense. Wikipedians are people, not robots who need to be programmed precisely. But don't use IAR as a justification for breaking the spirit of the rules with complete disregard for process other people.

See also

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