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71.146.184.64 (talk · contribs) (filter log)

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Ryan Ogren (filter log)

Description

I am trying to update Ryan Ogren's selected discography to include releases releases credited to him by A List music artists. I also deleted some older credits so that the discography was more selective.

Date and time

20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Yep, it's a false positive. Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 02:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done and a change to the filter may be needed. Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 02:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No workable change possible. It's a shame that we have to do it this way, but there's no way to distinguish a good-faith edit with three combined instances of "slut" and "bitch" in it from a bad-faith one. And the vast majority will be bad-faith. Dealing with that restriction is part of the price of logged-out editing, just like running into semi-protected pages. Again, a shame, but unavoidable. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 06:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, despite saying that, I did get thinking about all the FPs we get for track listings. I tested 384 with added rules !(old_wikitext rlike "!\s*Album" & new_wikitext rlike "!\s*Album") and across the past 2,000 hits we would have had four sets of false negatives [1] [2] [3] [4] to this one avoided false positive. In the past 2,000 for 380, we have [5] [6] and [7]. Perhaps some much more complex regex could look specifically for additions to a track list table but I think that would be pretty tempermental. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 06:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinned – This thread has been pinned and will not be archived until this template has been removed. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 05:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See section 198.89.64.249 below as well, or, if archived, Special:PermaLink/1079986591#198.89.64.249. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 18:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Suffusion of Yellow: Do you see any way around these track-list FPs? One could do a more complex regex to whitelist the words in question when added to something with the heading "Track list" or similar, or containing "!Album", but there's a lot of variation in format. Whitelisting anything about albums would do more harm than good, I think. I'm still inclined to think these fall into the category of unavoidable FPs and, sadly, the cost of doing business for those who choose not to register accounts. Philosophically, anyone who edits as an IP trades on the collective good faith of other IPs, both in their allocated range and in general. If I wanted to edit logged-out on my mobile connection, I wouldn't be able to, because it's softblocked due to abuse by others on the network. If someone wants to in good faith add the word "slut" to articles while logged out, they can't, because that's been done in bad faith too many times by other IPs or non-AC users. So I think I'm comfortable WONTFIXing this... If it becomes more of an issue as we move more toward a world where profanity in works' titles and encyclopedically relevant quotes is more common (said uncritically! I'm no prude), I think the better solution would be moving FPs on profanity filters to an edit-request system rather than EFFP, and just telling people to temporarily save their edits in censored format. But I'm pinging you, SoY, because maybe in this case you can think of something elegant than I can. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 19:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Tamzin: I'm currently leaning with !(str_replace(new_wikitext, "|}", "@") irlike ("!\s*Album[^@]*(?:" + bad_word + ")")), which should, in theory, only allow edits inside the table. I hate the str_replace() hack, but using a negative lookahead gives a mysterious syntax error on a few hits (same as with 1112). It also won't help with prose (In 2022, he released his new single, "Let's Fuck This Shit Up" ...) but I guess it's better than nothing. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Suffusion of Yellow: If we're going to do that, would there be a way to also cover something like ==+\s*(songs|singles|track list(ing)?|albums|discography)\s*==+ ? Also, is there a reason to use @ there rather than, like, some unused Unicode codepoint? Oh also, one more question, while we're on the topic of 384 and 380, in 384, doesn't the current dick_names logic mean that "fuck Mr. Dick" would be an FN? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 21:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As to @, no idea why, it was just the first character that came to mind. As to "fuck Mr. Dick", yes, but it would be best to test any such change in a log-only filter first. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Pryrofox (talk · contribs) (filter log)

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Special:UserLogin (filter log)

Description

Saw that the username 'Pryrofox' got disallowed due to a private edit filter with the description 'Abusive account names'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NonsensicalSystem (talk • contribs)

Third-party report, edited for clarity. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Date and time

11:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Pinned – This thread has been pinned and will not be archived until this template has been removed. The log entry is Special:AbuseLog/32269709. This definitely needs attention from someone who understands the filters better; I would appreciate an email explaining what the problem was once you've done so. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 22:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, this is a lot of FPs. The issue is with the 88th alternative, a 6-character string with three quantifiers of minimumm length 0, thus in effect a three-character string. Been happening since the 18th, when this filter was last changed. Oshwah, are you around? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tamzin - Investigating... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: While you're looking, note also the FPs on the latter word in Special:AbuseLog/32255767. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tamzin - Fixed by edit filter manager Oshwah. (lol) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Thanks. Would it make sense to now go and force-create any FPs that were blocked from SUL creation in the past two weeks? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tamzin - If they still want the account, sure. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Sorry, I mean SUL autocreation. Accounts that are already created on other wikis but which were blocked from connecting to enwiki. Since the 18th that would be: Special:AbuseLog/32263253; Special:AbuseLog/32251230; Special:AbuseLog/32229943; Special:AbuseLog/32219431; Special:AbuseLog/32218432; Special:AbuseLog/32195918; and Special:AbuseLog/32193379. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tamzin - Yeah, do it. That's fine. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: I'm afraid I lack that particular button. But if you don't mind clicking these links... Special:CreateLocalAccount/Choudharyrakesacaudhar; Special:CreateLocalAccount/Lryeric; Special:CreateLocalAccount/Veroyrob; Special:CreateLocalAccount/Uryrfyy; Special:CreateLocalAccount/Desroyerwashere; Special:CreateLocalAccount/RoyRoa; Special:CreateLocalAccount/BladSDestroyer. (If you ever edit from a non-admin alt, or share an IP with any non-admins, you may wish to do this through a proxy, as ToBeFree recently discovered that if a force-created account gets blocked, the IP of the admin who created it gets autoblocked.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 06:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Just checking in. If you'd rather I can shop another admin for this. :) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: Oops, I did not see the second 'r' in the username, which is why I was confused; I could tell which part of the filter was responsible but not how this particular username had tripped it. Silly me. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Compassionate727: No, I mean, it was a good catch! There's really no circumstance where one of the username filters should be disallowing a three-letter substring. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 21:54, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Username

174.52.130.239 (talk · contribs) (filter log)

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Flyin' the Flannel (filter log)

Description

This page says the rock album is "different from its predecessor" but does not specify HOW the album is different. I attempted to add additional citations that explain the difference in musical style

Date and time

00:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Report fixed – An automated bot has added the page title from last triggered filter to this report. (automated comment) — MajavahBot (talk · contributions) 00:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Not sure yet whether changes are needed. @174, how did the characters (>>>>) come to be in your reference? Looking at this search, I see that this string does come up sometimes, but I don't see anything suggesting, like, some bug in automatic citations that would cause it, or anything like that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Madalinmorcov (talk · contribs) (filter log)

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Andreea Ursu (filter log)

Description

I'm trying to create the wiki page for a Romanian twitch streamer, all information is publicly available from her streams and social media.

Date and time

15:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

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Private – One or more of the filters triggered are private, and the request needs to be evaluated by an edit filter helper or manager. (automated comment) — MajavahBot (talk · contributions) 15:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2001:56A:7951:7000:145:A42F:EAFE:BFDE (talk · contribs) (filter log)

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Al Hayba (filter log)

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Date and time

23:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Jsjsje

Report fixed – An automated bot has added the page title from last triggered filter to this report. (automated comment) — MajavahBot (talk · contributions) 23:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Declined – Edits were vandalism. Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 00:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]