The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to She-Hulk. This is a bit of a mess. Closing this as NC would be defensible, but I think would be the wrong result.

I'm not impressed with most of the keep arguments, which are mostly, "This will be notable in the future". Well, OK, then in the future we can have an article about it.

I was thinking draftify was a good middle ground, then I got to the part about how there's already a draft, and yes, as pointed out, one of them is a total copy-paste from the other, but it's not immediately obvious in which direction the copying went, so there's an ugly potential licensing/attribution violation. Blech.

So, what I'm going to do is delete this, and then create a new redirect. People can continue to work on the draft, and submit that for review when appropriate. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She-Hulk (TV series)[edit]

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There is a draft article for this, like all the other Marvel-Disney+ shows. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 11:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This is a notable upcoming television program, widely reported in the media. GarrettOrangeCow (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: GarrettOrangeCow (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
• DeleteDraftify as per my comment below fails WP:GNG this is way too soon. The article was created by a possible WP:UPE. --Dom from Paris (talk) 13:05, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Normally I would say this is a keep It was announced as part of Disney+ who has a fairly good record of following through on productions like this. It is probably too soon but there will be significant public interest and media coverage for this show now that it has been announced as part of the MCU. The troubling part for me is most of the article outside of the intro focuses on the creator and his previous She Hulk production. Also, the grammar used in the Production paragraph part of the page is pretty bad and there are a lot of statements which aren't factual like "many fans have expressed interest" "would like to see" "many, many more". These statements aren't usually associated with Wikipedia. There is also the issue of the references, they are pretty attrocious. Might be a case of WP:TNT or find someone who likes the MCU and have they make the desparately needed updates.ScienceAdvisor (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Just a heads up. I removed the promotional language for the page about the creator of the fan made She-Hulk movie. There is no references to him in the Disney+ articles and all I could find was a She Hulk fan made movie produced by this guy. Regardless of what happens with the page that language should be removed.ScienceAdvisor (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have cleaned up the article, removed the nonsense and promotional material on the producer of the fan made movie.. I've added some references to help bring it in alignment with a TV Show stub article. I think with this work, the amount of publicity, and the public interest this article should be or at least could be kept. I am sure it will be updated more thoroughly by fans of the MCU and She-Hulk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceAdvisor (talk • contribs) 21:48, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep The nomination doesn't contain a reason to delete. If anything, the existence of a draft version too confirms the interest in this topic, for which there appears to be plenty of news coverage. Andrew D. (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Although I'd normally consider this to be "too soon", there seems to be substantial coverage. Cosmic Sans (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The 3 sources say almost nothing about the series itself. Is it in production? When will it be coming out? Who are the voice actors? How many episodes? The articles go into some depth about the characters but say next to nothing about the series itself. As it states in one of the articles "The announcements didn’t include any details about casting or planned release dates, but the series are in development. Feige also reiterated that all of these series will be integrated with the Marvel Cinematic Universe films." These are just repeating what an executive said to them during a panel. This is pure Churnalism. There is no in-depth coverage of the subject in any of the sources. --Dom from Paris (talk) 17:27, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify Coverage needs to move beyond the announcement, otherwise it's too soon. No depth of coverage or guarantee of production yet. Reywas92^Talk 19:34, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I just want to be clear that I didn't create the page and I did "some" work to clean it up and make it a compliant article. I added a couple of references to bring it in line with a stub article assuming others will contribute. I didn't go through the press and try and aggregate all the information into the article. I am an MCU fan but She-Hulk is a fringe character I am not too familiar with. I do encourage people to contribute. Also, this is a live-action series so there would be no voice actors. ScienceAdvisor (talk) 23:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah you see whether it is animated or live action is not clear from the sources for those that aren't fans or know anything about the D23 thing. But this can be worked on as a draft until there is some in-depth coverage. If they haven't even cast the actors yet this is most definitely way WP:TOOSOON. But changing to draftify. Dom from Paris (talk) 12:06, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to draft The only reason we are having this discussion is because someone wanted first dibs on the article. Checking the history, it was created as a redirect. Other users undid the redirect to expand the article, but without much information on the show. The bullies on the WikiProject Comics want their creation credits, thus the nomination. Why delete an article just so they can get their creation credit? Redirect and move draft to article in time. 119.93.40.241 (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, restore redirect Absolutely way to soon for this article to exist. This fails WP:GNG, WP:TOOSOON, WP:NTV and the spirit of WP:NFF. We don't even have an intended release window, except that it will be after the Hawkeye series which is coming in 2021. So we are at least 2 years away before there will be any real news on this. Content for the article can be found at Draft:She-Hulk (TV series) (which this article is a blatant WP:COPYPASTE) until it is ready to be moved to the mainspace, which is once there has been confirmation filming has begun. This shouldn't even be up for discussion, much less have anyone suggesting the article stay. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• The best solution would be to move this article to the draft space for now and move it back to the article space after the right time has come. It makes little sense rn to have an article on the subject. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• No, moving the page to draft space would be silly because it would lead to the creation of forks. If it's clear that there are plans for this series but information is limited then there's a better alternative to deletion – merging the content into She-Hulk#Television where a variety of TV appearances of this character are listed. That way, you keep all the activity together, rather than creating forks, and our readers get the information directly rather than having to root around in other name-spaces. Andrew D. (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• To me, it looks like the vote is heading for a keep. ScienceAdvisor (talk) 18:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.