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This program doesn't assert notability. The one reference is from a how-to guide based upon emulation. This simply shows that it is just a mention of the program and its purpose, which does not indicate notability. TTN (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Merge to Atari 7800. AfD is not for cleanup. The reference used in this stub article meets WP:RS and actually contains more than "just a mention of the program and its purpose".
  Chris Kohler, an author with authority in this area goes on to state on page 156 of his book Retro Gaming Hacks (ISBN 0-596-00917-8): "If MESS is too messy for your tastes, and you're looking for an emulator that is strictly for the 7800, you have a couple of options. One is called ProSystem Emulator and the other is EMU7800. Of the two, ProSystem Emulator seems to be the most complete and compatible."
  Considering the age and obscurity of the Atari 7800 console platform in general (as it never really caught on in the market), considering how few emulators exist for this platform, and considering how few emulator programs actually get written about in a published book, a book by a well known, notable author giving coverage to these is a pretty big deal.
  Note that the nom previously redirected both the article and its talk page [1] [2] without any prior discussion or reason and immediately brought it to AfD when it was unredirected.
  --Tothwolf (talk) 02:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• That is a how-to guide, not a source that can be used to establish notability. It isn't being covered; it's telling the reader that "If you wish to emulate Atari 7800 games, use this or that. Here are a couple of things that can be done with them." With that argument, every single recipe out of a cookbook by a famous chef is instantly notable. TTN (talk) 16:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• No, that book is not a "how-to guide" and it is not the only "source" available either. Your arguments thus far have been bogus and knowing your history, I see no point in any further discussions with you on this subject. --Tothwolf (talk) 19:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Then what exactly would you call it? Look at the index; every single one stems from the sentence "How to play retro games." He may throw some history and the like into it, but skip to any section and it is basically "to build/play/create/emulate/run/ect X, use/buy/download/ect Y." That is a guide, plain and simple. If you have actual sources that show notability, please actually add them. You seem to have the idea that many emulators are notable, but the actual case is that only MAME and maybe one or two others have a slight possibility to be formed into decent articles. There is no hope for the rest of them. TTN (talk) 19:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Not notable without sources - merge to Atari 7800 An obscure emulator for an obscure platform with a few sentences in a large book on the general subject of emulation does not establish notability for an independent article. There are two sentences in this article now and misc info from the infobox can be written as another sentence in the Atari 7800 article. Miami33139 (talk) 04:34, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]