2023 Baltic Sea Darts Open

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Another one of these darts tournaments which is wholly sourced to primary sources. Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage coverage to meet GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Are you actually an idiot!!?? This is one of the big darts tournaments, outside a televised tournament. Why does it need extra sources anyway?? And it certainly has general notability in the darts world!! Just because you know nothing about darts, doesn't mean you can ruin it for anybody else, and the tournament starts tomorrow, so you're wasting your time anyway. JRRobinson (talk) 11:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't a free web host for the PDC. Are there any news sources picking up on this at all? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there are, but obviously the PDC will have all the necessary info. JRRobinson (talk) 12:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

which is not what is required. We need independent, reliable sources, not what the organization says about itself. Star Mississippi 16:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure if "what organization says about itself" applies there, since there is no bias towards or against organization. It's just information about draw, who qualified how and when. Haifisch7734 (talk) 16:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, however there are currently no other sources offered, and the argument is about whether these are sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. JMWt (talk) 17:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Sports, and Germany. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - if it isn't mentioned in independent, reliable media, it isn't noted. If it isn't noted it isn't notable. If it isn't notable then it shouldn't be here per WP:GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMWt (talk • contribs)
• Let's see if coverage comes out this week during the tournament, so no !Vote yet. However JRRobinson's continued creation of articles when they don't understand notability clearly needs to be addressed. Disclosure, I have nominated one of their articles. Star Mississippi 14:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case it would appear to be technically WP:TOOSOON and perhaps should be moved to draft. On the other hand I guess if we really believe there will be a lot of media coverage in the next few days then maybe you are right and let it lie.

I also apologise for forgetting to sign my comment before JMWt (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You guys just don't get darts, do you?? Why don't you actually leave the darts pages to darts fans who know what we're on about. The European Tour is the highest level of darts below the major/premier events, which the world audience sees all the time. In terms of notability, it's right up there, it's in its 12th year is the European Tour!! And in terms of other media coverage, it's even being shown on UK television for the first time thanks to a new deal with Viaplay Sports. https://twitter.com/ViaplaySportsUK/status/1628756654933041154?cxt=HHwWhICzrYrjwJotAAAA So, this notability-less malarkey is just that, malarkey. JRRobinson (talk) 14:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just read the WP:GNG. We are simply discussing the guidelines, not darts. That's it. JMWt (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EVERY European Tour event since it began in 2012 has its own page!! It's a BIG DEAL!!! You guys just don't get it... JRRobinson (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Please leave Darts articles alone. The PDC is a perfectly good source for the draw and results because they organise the event. Effy Midwinter (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For that exact reason, it is an unacceptable source and does not confer notability. See WP:IS, WP:GNG, WP:SPORTSEVENT as three relevant guidelines. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:22, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to PDC European Tour. Considering that past events at this venue do not have articles, what makes this year's event so special that it warrants a page?   ArcAngel   (talk) 03:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Every European Tour event has its page since it started in 2012. 97 articles. And this year it's first year there is Baltic Sea Darts Open in Kiel, so there were no past events at this venue, so there are no articles about it. That's why this one is first. Haifisch7734 (talk) 07:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Well, there isn't much coverage of the event, there's this [1] and this from Planet Sport via Yahoo [2]. The rest are betting sites and live streams. A few more sources, we'd be GNG-adjacent. Oaktree b (talk) 05:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Might be too soon, the even is about to open. L'Equipe in France covers darts tournaments [3], but they only have info from January 2023. Perhaps hold off for a week? Oaktree b (talk) 05:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]