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Request concerning Saad Arshad Butt

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

FDW777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:11, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Saad Arshad Butt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan (or Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Editing of Biographies of Living Persons if that's preferred)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 20:46, 26 December 2021 Adds unreferenced date of birth to living person Saad Hussain Rizvi (all future edits refer to this article, unless stated otherwise)
2. 21:23, 26 December 2021 Edit wars to repeat previous edit
3. 22:32, 26 December 2021 Adds date of birth with fake reference (the only date of birth referred to in the article is the 1966 date of birth of his father)
4. 14:16, 30 December 2021 Edit wars to repeat previous edit
5. 14:25, 30 December 2021 Amends reference from previous edit to one that still doesn't supported the claimed 1994 date of birth
6. 14:30, 30 December 2021 Adds unreferenced, and incorrect, claim that Dars-e-Nizami is equivalent to a Master's Degree (although that only says "Master" see Talk:Saad Hussain Rizvi#Education where the claim is expanded upon
7. 14:33, 30 December 2021 Adds claim unsupported by reference that he is an "Islamic Scholar"
8. 14:52, 30 December 2021 Adds "Allama" and "Hafiz" honorifics (in violation of MOS:ISLAMHON, unreferenced "Islamic Scholar" claim and date of birth (again!), and truly hopeless "This surely is a result of grooming offered by the movement TLP as he accompanied his father Khadim Hussain Rizvi at every stage from the beginning of his religio-political career"
9. 00:21, 31 December 2021 Re-adds "Allama" and "Hafiz" honorifics, claiming they are part of his name (false)
10. 01:15, 31 December 2021 Adds absolutely hopeless section, "Unfortunately organization and workers couldn't notice but Khadim Hussain Rizvi R.A in his life", and more blatatly " This allowance after 25 years by Khadim Hussain Rizvi was a great sign for intellectuals of TLP that Khadim Hussain Rizvi is preparing for his temporal final breath. I would take liberty mentioning that recently Liaqat Bagh to Faizabad Namoos-e-Risalatﷺ March, which later transformed to Dharna Faizabad against French Blasphemy, was officially under the superintendence of late Khadim Hussain Rizvi R.A but it was actually administrated and led by his son Allama Hafiz Saad Hussain Rizvi in the field, leading from the forefront against 22,000 tear gas shells and direct firing of thousands of bullets. As per my understanding, Allama Hafiz Saad Hussain Rizvi holds a loyal place among grass root level organization and supporters of TLP especially in youth of modern education sector because of his backstage strenuous and protracted innings from the beginning with Khadim Hussain Rizvi"
11. 01:24, 31 December 2021 More hopeless writing, most blatantly "After Hifz-e-Quran under his father Khadim Hussain Rizvi's superintendence he again entered school for further education but as per ALLAH's will, he was not meant for English schooling"
12. 02:15, 31 December 2021 Edit warring to re-add hopeless writing
13. 02:20, 31 December 2021 More of the same

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

n/a

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IPA notification, BLP notification

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Diffs #10 and #11 are the most damning. Per this, the editor is associated with Saad Hussain Rizvi, and even offers to provide his ID documents to prove a date of birth. The editor identifies as Saad Arshad on their userpage, if required I can provide a social media link proving someone of that name is a member of the political party Saad Hussain Rizvi is in charge of. They are also editing while logged out, the minimal difference between the IP's version and Saad Arshad Butt's version isn't likely to be a coincidence.

@Ymblanter: I believe they are also editing as 182.191.178.96 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) in the last couple of hours reinstating Saad Arshad Butt's disputed additions despite the lack of consensus at Talk:Saad Hussain Rizvi#Education, this IP is the same ISP and geolocation as this talk page edit by an IP signing as Saad Arshad Butt (and Saad Arshad Butt edited one minute later, so I don't think there is any dispute about the IP and Saad Arshad Butt being one and the same). FDW777 (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there is to be a topic ban, please make it all BLPs based on the current disruption they are causing while editing logged out at Ilyas Qadri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), who appears to be a rival. This is a long way beyond the pale. FDW777 (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CaptainEek: see Bhat for the many Asian people with that name. FDW777 (talk) 10:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Saad Arshad Butt

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Statement by Saad Arshad Butt

Statement by TrangaBellam

There are 90+ "Arshad Butt" profiles in Linkedin .... TrangaBellam (talk) 09:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

moved by me to her own section. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Jehochman

1. The username is plausibly legitimate, per Google searches for the name and fragments of the name.
2. Looking at the contributions, this is a WP:SPA behaving badly after multiple warnings, WP:IDHT. They have no other global contributions.
3. The standard remedy for such an SPA is indefinite block. Please don't make bureaucracy or pass the buck; please indef block (if there’s current disruption) and leave a friendly block message with the standard offer to unblock if they demonstrate an understanding of what they did wrong and can explain how would like to participate constructively. Jehochman ^Talk 13:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
4. They haven’t made a consequential edit for over two weeks. This may be stale. Jehochman ^Talk 21:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Saad Arshad Butt

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• On one hand, the edits do not look good, and the user only has 124 edits. On the other hand, it looke more like WP:CIR case than WP:NOTHERE case, and, judging from their talk page, they are willing to learn, even if the learning curve is not particularly steep. The bad edits are more for BLP case than for India-Pakistan case, and they have not edited in the articles after being notified specifically on BLP. I am curious what the user has to say, but preliminary I think some sanction like a topic-ban from BLP may be needed.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm not so sure it's not a WP:NOTHERE case. On the face of it, the editor has only one interest (and possible COI), Saad Hussain Rizvi, and that's usually best addressed with an indef nothere. But a topic ban might achieve the same thing so, sure, let's go with that. --RegentsPark (comment) 21:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Both Arshad as well as Butt are common South Asian Muslim names so I don't think that's an issue at all. The editor is obviously an SPA and should be blocked as WP:NOTHERE. They haven't edited since January 4th so, perhaps, we can hold off on this. But, if they reappear, and continue on the same vein, I'll likely just block them as a normal admin action.--RegentsPark (comment) 00:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @FDW777: I've blocked the IP and semi-protected both articles. @Ymblanter: not much point with a topic ban imo, they're going to ignore it, we'll issue escalating blocks, and they'll end where an indef NOTHERE block will take them anyway. --RegentsPark (comment) 23:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I think blocks are fine. I would give one block for smth like a week, and then if they do not improve their behavior the second one indef. I see no reason to do it in too many steps.--Ymblanter (talk) 23:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I would actually be interested to hear from Saad Arshad Butt regarding this request. Specifically, do you understand that many, if not most, of your edits have been inappropriate, and that continuing to do that is not acceptable? Perfection is not expected, but a willingness to listen and respond to feedback from more experienced editors very much is. If so, I might be amenable to a sanction like a topic ban. Otherwise, I think we would be wasting time and effort with that; an editor who won't respect any of our other policies probably won't respect a topic ban either, and will just end up indeffed anyway. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• On the one hand, the name might be legit. But on the other, "Sad Arse Butt" looks a lot like a troll name. Not an expert on the linguistic origin of names though, so take me with a grain of salt. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 04:16, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm generally willing to AGF as that goes, as long as it's not too outrageous. There are plenty of "foreign" names that sound like some type of joke in English, but are entirely legitimate and real. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Cygnis insignis

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

My very best wishes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:05, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Cygnis insignis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_Europe#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 16:53, 18 January 2022 - a revert on page Mass killings under communist regimes, user say in edit summary that "restore backdated ...". Hence, that was a revert, and they knew it.
2. 20:10, 18 January 2022 - this is a violation of 1RR restriction on the page
3. 17:42, 19 January 2022 (please note edit summary) - WP:NPA violation in response to polite advice/warning
4. 20:59, 19 January 2022 - false personal accusations

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

31 October 2010 Toddst1 ask me, no sanctions or topic bans on this or any other pages. ~ cygnis insignis 22:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• The user was given a notification [1]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I am not sure if 1RR violation alone would justify this request, but the comments and behavior by this user are highly confrontational, including diffs 3 and 4 above and their removal of comments made by other contributors [2], removing their own signature [3], edit warring about tag date (diffs 1 and 2) etc.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Here [4]

Discussion concerning Cygnis insignis

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Statement by Cygnis insignis

I did restore that, noting the warning about 1rr within 24 hours above the edit window and reckoned that I hadn't. I then mentioned this in an active discussion on the tag, those opposing its presence also objected to an indication of how long synth concerns had existed (which spun off to two or three sections as things do on that talk). After a substantive period of time, with no further edits to that page by me, the user thought to undertake a sanction process. I am also currently involved in discussion with this account on the Abortion article's talk page, where their concerns are as creepy and bizarre as their username. And how are you? Have a lovely day, wont you? ~ cygnis insignis 22:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Any editor in good standing can query the edits I made, including those assembled by trolling and baiting for this purpose. ~ cygnis insignis 22:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Cygnis insignis

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• This is extremely cut and dry, I don't see a long drawn out process being needed. 72 block for 1RR, another 24 hours for the personal attacks. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]