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This is a response to [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]]'s RFC on [[User:Canaen|Canaen]].
User has violated numerous Wikipedia policies in an effort to keep legitimate criticism of veganism out of the [[Veganism]] and [[Environmental vegetarianism]] articles.


I would like to point out that in British English the word nark is non-pejorative and I understand that it has an objective meaning something akin to a " snitch " in American. That is, meaning someone that makes, often erroneous, allegations to authorities in order to personally benefit themselves in some way. It is certianly a lot less intentionally insulting than to be continuously called a meatpuppet or, I am sure, for user Canaen to be accused of having some connection with me when he has none.
=== Description ===


The funniest thing for me is that [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] is busy digging a hole in his own canoe because his allegations are outright lies of which he can in no way substantiate.
User has instigated edit wars at [[Veganism]] and [[Environmental vegetarianism]], resulting in the protection of [[Veganism]] for over a week at present. User has organized a meatpuppetry campaign among various vegan blogs to eliminate sourced and legitimate criticism of veganism and environmental motivations thereof. This campaign has resulted in personal attacks, legal and physical threats, violations of 3RR, user page vandalism, and numerous instances of suspected meat- and sock-puppetry.


This conflict started because [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] insisted on posting data refering to anorexics on the [[Vegan]] topic which had no relationship to veganism whatsoever.
Additionally, this user is unwilling to listen to even the politest criticism of himself or his edits. He regularly refactors his [[User talk:Canaen|talk page]] to eliminate these criticisms, instead placing them in a [[User talk:Canaen/Nonsense| subpage]] labeled "nonsense". User has refactored administrator warnings to this page as well. User routinely accuses critics of violating Wikipedia policies.


[[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] is entirely wrong. I know this because I know who I am and I know with whom I have and have had connections and I take a very minor little offence at being accused by the likes of you of being something I am not. I state " very minor little offence " because you and your views genuinely are so unimportant.
List of suspected meatpuppets:
*[[User:195.82.106.12]]
*[[User:195.82.106.62]]
*[[User:195.82.106.64]]
*[[User:Nidara]]
*[[User:217.147.85.6]]
*[[User:84.64.121.200]]
*[[User:64.105.20.237]] (believed to be older incarnation of [[User:Nidara]], a.k.a. idleguyspal, skinwalkerspal, fleshstomper, vigger, etc.
*[[User:218.18.228.53]]
*[[User:Mitsu]]


[[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] is an individual of very little decency and integrity. I do not state this as an insult but as an objective statement. [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] has been told on many occasions that I have no connection with this or the other individuals and yet he not only continue to go on making such allegations but [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] even uses them as the ground to make an attack on another individual.
[[User:195.82.106.78|195.82.106.78]] 22:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


*This is where [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] boasts to Canaen he has made a complaint about him on Canaen user page ;
=== Evidence of disputed behavior ===


:==User conduct RFC==
'''Veganism'''


Please be advised that I have filed a user conduct RFC on you. It can be found [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Canaen| here]]. Cheers, [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] 19:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
There are too many instances of disputed behavior on [[Veganism]] and [[Talk:Veganism]] to list them all, so I will provide some highlights:


*This is where I - as one of the erroneiously accused " meatpuppets " - respond ;
*User reverts Idleguy's additions, leaving a personal attack in the edit summary.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veganism&diff=30199936&oldid=30199701]


:Just out of interest, who do you think this nark [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] is and why is he so motivated to go about doing what he is doing? I put this record up in the open for you and them to see because I have no and have had no connection with you nor any of the journal pages and, frankly, I take offence at being called a meat or sockpuppet of yours when I am not. I am sure that you are just or even more upset as being accused of a connection with me when you have none.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] violates 3RR multiple times over, resulting in the protection of [[Veganism]].


:Unfortunately though, that is the depth of [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]]'s lies and the shallowness of [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]]'s integrity.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] makes a personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=29975263&oldid=29967010]


* Where he has no grounds he invents them and he is, oh, so clever at playing [[WikiTricks]] with all these technical terms and methods.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] makes a personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30185364&oldid=30184933]


:I am starting to feel like a [[Jew]] in [[Nazi]] Germany being hunted down, connected to individuals which I have no connection with and their so-called crimes and accused of crimes which are not mine.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] makes a personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30204916&oldid=30203713]


:And what of [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]]? He just seems to get off on throwing around his weight whilst avoiding entering into the actually factual discussion.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] makes a personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30207660&oldid=30207522]


:For the record - and let them love every minute of their persecution syndrome, let them avidly copy and paste and make little weblinks to this as they are so good at [[Wikitricks]] - I am a vegan of 20 years or more standing and, arguably, MacDonald of Clanranald. I became involved in editing the vegan article before you returned to it recently. I am entirely responsible for kicking this whole thing off because I refused to let [[User:Idleguy|Idleguy]] get away with his ridiculous domination of the article and I put [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] in the same category for his anorexic stuff.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] proposes[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30699012&oldid=30676970] moving information to [[Environmental vegetarianism]], where he is already edit warring to keep this information out of that article.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Environmental_vegetarianism&diff=30803835&oldid=30799508]


:From my point of view, my objections are largely literary. The article became too bloated and required editing down. It is merely meant to be a definition of what vegan is. I don't see any point in actually engaging in those that oppose veganism. I don't even support vegan's trying to counter counter-vegan propaganda on the Wiki. It is best to keep it short and simple and give a few links so that folks that are interested can go find out more.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] resubmits an unmodified survey and represents it as a final vote, despite active debate on the proposals in the survey.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30890035&oldid=30889608]


:I approached [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] reasonably and got the same sort of response as you did, see ; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skinwalker#Vegan]. When [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] started to engage in his revisions without consultation, I tried to engage him in reasonable discussion, see ; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Viriditas#Vegan]. But he just ignores it.
*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] refactors a survey tally to make it appear that someone opposed to a proposal is actually voting FOR it, rather than suggesting a compromise.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=31159306&oldid=31159304]


:Fine. I showed respect, they showed themselves for what they are.
*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) posts a lengthy personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AMediation_Cabal&diff=31167031&oldid=31163851]


:I find it weird in a way that individuals can become so obsessed by something that they obviously do not love but instead want to demean or destroy - and that means you now - and are willing to invest so much time and energy into it.
*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) posts a lengthy personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=31223950&oldid=31193380]


:I could understand it if [[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] was a paid employee of the meat industry - he says he has professional scientific interest in animal husbandry. That would just make him a paid publicist. But if he is doing this and attacking you in his own free time, I pity him deeply.
*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) posts a lengthy personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=31226889&oldid=31225344]


:"What were you doing all this evening on your computer, darling?" His wee wifie asks him.
*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) posts a lengthy personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVeganism&diff=30270637&oldid=30256286]
:"Oh, I spent hours trying to stomp on vegans on the internet, made a really good complaint against one and tried to mess up their article with references to anorexics who think they are vegetarians "

:"That's nice."
*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) posts a lengthy personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Veganism&offset=20051210173454&action=history]


'''Meatpuppetry'''

*[[User:Canaen]] posted a request to four vegan livejournal blogs for help removing criticism of veganism.[http://www.livejournal.com/community/veganism/840660.html] [http://www.livejournal.com/community/veganpeople/1545093.html] [http://www.livejournal.com/community/sfvegans/10684.html] [http://www.livejournal.com/community/bayarea_vegans/22928.html#comments]. In these discussions, Caenen is posting as "theunseenkid". I base this assertion of his identity on [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canaen&btnG=Google+Search| this Google search], which brings up [http://www.crimethinc.net/user/1528| this Crimethinc user], which leads to [http://www.livejournal.com/users/theunseenkid/| this blog], where the original request for help originated from. Since then, the [[Veganism]] article has been besieged by suspected meatpuppets (listed above) who engage in personal attacks and attempt to reach a sham consensus. In particular, Canaen instructed a person on a vegan blog to misrepresent their nationality and command of English in order to mislead discussion participants.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Morven&diff=prev&oldid=31258519]


'''Talk pages'''

*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] refactors his talk page to remove criticism and polite reminders of Wikipedia policy, labeling it as "nonsense".[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=30906792&oldid=30801483|diff] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Canaen/Nonsense| current "nonsense" page].

*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] accuses a legitimate contributor to the [[Veganism]] page of vandalism.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIdleguy&diff=30203018&oldid=30202582]

*Canaen threatens contributor to [[Veganism]] with administrative action.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASkinwalker&diff=31153463&oldid=31152350]

*Canaen leaves a personal attack on a user talk page.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASkinwalker&diff=31316642&oldid=31248711]

*Anonymous ip 85.195.123.22 (see list of suspected meatpuppets) vandalizes a user talk page, leaving a threatening message.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIdleguy&diff=30246326&oldid=30245285]

*Anonymous ip vandalizes a user page, leaving a personal attack.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASkinwalker&diff=30270882&oldid=21987290]


'''Administrative reports'''

*[[User:Canaen|Canaen]] [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Canaen| requests adminship]]. He implies that he would use his adminstrator privileges to act on articles he is working on.

*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) starts a revert war to modify a RFC on [[Veganism]], making legal threats in the process.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_comment%2FSociety_and_law&diff=31183051&oldid=31165034]

*Anonymous ip (see list of suspected meatpuppets) files a specious and incomplete user conduct RFC on a contributor to the [[Veganism]] page.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_comment%2FUser_conduct&diff=31231810&oldid=31229957]

=== Applicable policies ===
{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}
:# [[Wikipedia:Civility]]
:# [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]]
:# [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]]
:# [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not a battleground]]
:# [[Wikipedia: Sock puppet]]
:# [[Wikipedia: No legal threats]]

=== Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute ===
(provide diffs and links)
:#[[User:Skinwalker|Skinwalker]] proposes a compromise to end dispute on [[Veganism]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Veganism&diff=prev&oldid=30835970]
:#[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] reminds Canaen of NPOV policy.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=30208886&oldid=30208270]
:#[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] reminds Canaen of good faith policy.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=31020331&oldid=31019914]
:#[[User:Woohookitty|Woohookitty]], an admin, reminds Canaen of no personal attack policy.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=30206185&oldid=30205906]
:#[[User:Woohookitty|Woohookitty]] blocks Canaen for 24 hours due to repeated personal attacks.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=31193217&oldid=31165995]
:#[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] asks Canaen to build consensus instead of edit warring.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=30203694&oldid=26190776]
:#[[User:Idleguy|Idleguy]] reminds Canaen of no personal attack policy.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACanaen&diff=30203944&oldid=30203694]


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Revision as of 22:07, 14 December 2005

Hi

This is a response to Skinwalker's RFC on Canaen.

I would like to point out that in British English the word nark is non-pejorative and I understand that it has an objective meaning something akin to a " snitch " in American. That is, meaning someone that makes, often erroneous, allegations to authorities in order to personally benefit themselves in some way. It is certianly a lot less intentionally insulting than to be continuously called a meatpuppet or, I am sure, for user Canaen to be accused of having some connection with me when he has none.

The funniest thing for me is that Skinwalker is busy digging a hole in his own canoe because his allegations are outright lies of which he can in no way substantiate.

This conflict started because Skinwalker insisted on posting data refering to anorexics on the Vegan topic which had no relationship to veganism whatsoever.

Skinwalker is entirely wrong. I know this because I know who I am and I know with whom I have and have had connections and I take a very minor little offence at being accused by the likes of you of being something I am not. I state " very minor little offence " because you and your views genuinely are so unimportant.

Skinwalker is an individual of very little decency and integrity. I do not state this as an insult but as an objective statement. Skinwalker has been told on many occasions that I have no connection with this or the other individuals and yet he not only continue to go on making such allegations but Skinwalker even uses them as the ground to make an attack on another individual. 195.82.106.78 22:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is where Skinwalker boasts to Canaen he has made a complaint about him on Canaen user page ;
==User conduct RFC==

Please be advised that I have filed a user conduct RFC on you. It can be found here. Cheers, Skinwalker 19:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is where I - as one of the erroneiously accused " meatpuppets " - respond ;
Just out of interest, who do you think this nark Skinwalker is and why is he so motivated to go about doing what he is doing? I put this record up in the open for you and them to see because I have no and have had no connection with you nor any of the journal pages and, frankly, I take offence at being called a meat or sockpuppet of yours when I am not. I am sure that you are just or even more upset as being accused of a connection with me when you have none.
Unfortunately though, that is the depth of Skinwalker's lies and the shallowness of Skinwalker's integrity.
  • Where he has no grounds he invents them and he is, oh, so clever at playing WikiTricks with all these technical terms and methods.
I am starting to feel like a Jew in Nazi Germany being hunted down, connected to individuals which I have no connection with and their so-called crimes and accused of crimes which are not mine.
And what of Viriditas? He just seems to get off on throwing around his weight whilst avoiding entering into the actually factual discussion.
For the record - and let them love every minute of their persecution syndrome, let them avidly copy and paste and make little weblinks to this as they are so good at Wikitricks - I am a vegan of 20 years or more standing and, arguably, MacDonald of Clanranald. I became involved in editing the vegan article before you returned to it recently. I am entirely responsible for kicking this whole thing off because I refused to let Idleguy get away with his ridiculous domination of the article and I put Skinwalker in the same category for his anorexic stuff.
From my point of view, my objections are largely literary. The article became too bloated and required editing down. It is merely meant to be a definition of what vegan is. I don't see any point in actually engaging in those that oppose veganism. I don't even support vegan's trying to counter counter-vegan propaganda on the Wiki. It is best to keep it short and simple and give a few links so that folks that are interested can go find out more.
I approached Skinwalker reasonably and got the same sort of response as you did, see ; [1]. When Viriditas started to engage in his revisions without consultation, I tried to engage him in reasonable discussion, see ; [2]. But he just ignores it.
Fine. I showed respect, they showed themselves for what they are.
I find it weird in a way that individuals can become so obsessed by something that they obviously do not love but instead want to demean or destroy - and that means you now - and are willing to invest so much time and energy into it.
I could understand it if Skinwalker was a paid employee of the meat industry - he says he has professional scientific interest in animal husbandry. That would just make him a paid publicist. But if he is doing this and attacking you in his own free time, I pity him deeply.
"What were you doing all this evening on your computer, darling?" His wee wifie asks him.
"Oh, I spent hours trying to stomp on vegans on the internet, made a really good complaint against one and tried to mess up their article with references to anorexics who think they are vegetarians "
"That's nice."

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