Please join the discussion at Talk:Toyota C-HR#Main images.  Stepho  talk  09:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for uploading all your car images man!!! I seem to have been busy, so have been struggling to find some cars to picture :) Anyway, I GOAT this from my mate. He isn't KIDDING ok!! (Excuse my poor puns)

EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 06:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much!

--Makizox (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate, I will be going to Singapore for 4 days and will be picturing a lot of cars there. have you been there? If yes, tell me which cars do you want me to picture and I'll store it on OneNote and will make a list of the cars.

Any further pics, let me know mate --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 06:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't no, the furthest I ever went from the UK was the Isle of Wight, not exactly sure what cars would be there other then the few odd chinese and rebadged. --Vauxford (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I noticed you have a list of car users, most notably former Wikipedia user OSX. I worked with him in ensuring the images of Aussie vehicles were on Wikipedia. Since he has departed I have taken his role as the ONLY Australian and Singaporean car photographer on Wikipedia. Would you please consider adding me to your profile considering I have made heavy contributions with my photos :)

--EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah sure. --Vauxford (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers mate, I do a lot of photography of vehicles in my home state of WA. I suffer a car disease, making me love cars too much :) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm always out documenting what I can find on the UK roads. It been less than a year and I already surpass over a 1000+ photos. --Vauxford (talk) 15:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, I've reverted the picture on the Peel P50 page back to the previous one of the car in the Lane Museum. Yours is a much better picture, but despite its fake licence plate, the car in the photo at the NEC is actually a brand new (2017) replica P50 by p50cars.com. It is very difficult to spot the differences unless you start poking about underneath. There was a real P50 on show at the show on the National Microcar Rally stand (reg no CHN 410B) Hopefully you might have got a photo of that one as well? Mighty Antar (talk) 02:16, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, so they basically put the license plate of a genuine one onto the newer one, because when I looked up the plate and it was genuine. I just notices the modern looking vents on the bottom. I can see how it very hard to tell apart sadly I don't have no other photos of a Peel P50, but thank you for letting me know. I found that very sneaky of them to do that, kinda disappointed with the stall for doing that. --Vauxford (talk) 02:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think "sneaky" is being very polite about what they were doing! Don't let it put you off continuing to do brilliant work to improve Wikipedia - have a great Christmas. Mighty Antar (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You too! --Vauxford (talk) 13:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, Thanks for sharing your images of cars pictured in England.

• File:2017 Honda CR-V EX i-VTEC Automatic 2.0.jpg is actually a 4th gen CR-V not a 5th Gen as outlined by a different shape style. I have amended your error and because you think it was a 5th gen, it isn't as the 5th gen is a more boxier style shape, whereas this is a rounded off shape. Mind you, a relative owns one so I know what they look like :) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:03, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim Oh that was my mistake sorry. I didn't look at them properly. Thank you for fixing it up. --Vauxford (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vauxford, Thanks for taking the many required car photos for use on Wikipedia. I was wondering, because I never get the chance to go to car dealerships, yet alone my friends who came sorta rushed me from taking pictures of vehicle interiors. Is it possible for you to look for all the new vehicle interiors when you go to car dealerships please. If you can get some vehicle interior shots, that'd be great --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: I have taken some shots of the vehicle interiors, especially the new vehicles. One reason why I didn't do all of them is they are already high quality images of them in the Commons. Taking pictures can be difficult due to the closed space which tend to be very dark which can make my camera unable to photograph, depending on the showroom lighting but I will try and get more interior shots when I'm out and about again. --Vauxford (talk) 12:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That happened to me at the car show, so I had to resort to my mobile phone. Can't your mobile phone do the interior shots, I mean its quite better --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I often use my Samsung as a last resort when it comes to lighting, it does make the image have a lighter tint though. You can tell the difference some of the pictures I took with it. --Vauxford (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The lighting doesn't have to be perfect, however needs to be sufficient. As said, don't just shove images that you have immediately uploaded to Wikimedia for Wikipedia articles. After uploading the interior images, send me the image and I'll critique it. cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: Well in the meantime you could take a look at my existing ones I took. --Vauxford (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, did and will use them for Wikipedia. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:34, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First of all: Thank you very much for contributing so many high quality pictures. Great work!

There is a slight issue with one of your indeed better quality pictures for the V70 XC / XC70 section of the Volvo V70 article. The photographed car has been customized which makes it not an ideal candidate to show the XC looks. The big issue is with the rear picture (2004 Volvo XC70 D5 SE AWD Geartronic 2.4 Rear.jpg). The rear bumper and rear wheel arch extension(s) have been painted and a spoiler has been installed. Admittedly the spoiler is an original item, or at least a replica of the OE one. Bumper and wheel arch extension(s) were always unpainted, textured black...ish plastic and from the factory a rear spoiler was not an option for the XC70.

The smaller issue is with the front picture (2004 Volvo XC70 D5 SE AWD Geartronic 2.4 Front.jpg). Mostly because the now painted bumper and wheel arch extensions are visible.

Do you mind if this is reverted to the old pictures? I agree they are of worse quality.

Regards, 2A04:4540:900:4200:F050:2D85:A247:DFDE (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@2A04:4540:900:4200:F050:2D85:A247:DFDE: Hmm I see what you mean. To be honest I didn't notice it until now. I have reverted the edit since you made a valid point. --Vauxford (talk) 16:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Not surprising that you did not notice, it is a rather subtle detail. If you find another XC without modifications feel free to use pictures of that. 2A04:4540:900:4200:F050:2D85:A247:DFDE (talk) 20:14, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxford, could you do me a favour and picture the new Ford Mustang convertible. The reason being is that at the motor show I attempted to picture the car but it came out extremely blurry. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 07:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: The 2018 Ford Mustang itself isn't going to be in this country for a while (Like around September or so). Unless you mean the current Mustang Convertible than I will try and keep a look out. --Vauxford (talk) 12:03, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The current 2015-2017 Ford Mustang please --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. --Vauxford (talk) 12:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Vauxford, Is it possible for you to take new high quality images of the sedan and wagon version of the new Mercedes-Benz W213/S213 please. We are looking for some extremely high quality image. Please provide both front and rear shots. Thanks, --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 10:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: I will put it on my to-do list. I haven't been to my local Mercedes garage anyway. I will also keep a look out for any on the road. --Vauxford (talk) 11:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vauxford, Thanks for uploading some of your latest images. I notice that you replaced a very high quality image of a white BMW X1 on Inokom. I personally believe that my image is higher quality because it is against a nice background, compared to yours because it has cars that are distracting the image.

File:2018 BMW X1 xDrive18D Sport 2.0.jpg

File:2016 BMW X1 (F84) xDrive25i wagon (2017-07-15) 01.jpg

Could you explain to me why you chose to replace a good quality image of the white BMW with your blue car which has a lot of reflections and distractions.

Cheers, --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: Hi Nim, now looking at it, although yours is good and have small amount of distraction but you have a tendency of cropping pictures much too tight. It also slightly tilted while the one I use gives a nice overall example of what the latest model looks. The reflection you mention is just because it was brand new. It wasn't that sunny when I took it. Sometimes distraction can't be avoided but since perspective is good as well as the quality that why I replaced it. ...if that make sense?

P.S: My bad over the clumsy edit on J-Segment. Copypaste errors tend to happen when you use it alot and end up forgetting which image you have on your clipboard. --Vauxford (talk) 17:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Vauxford, Could you please get an image of the Renault Tailsman sedan? We have really bad quality images of the sedan models and I think if you get both the front and rear, that'd be great --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: Hi Nim, unfortunately the Tailsman isn't sold in the UK (or any right-hand drive market) unless by sheer chance I come across a foreign reg example.

They aren't selling the current gen Espace in this country as well. Mostly because nowadays, people are preferring 7-seats SUVs and crossovers and we don't really buy large French cars anymore. --Vauxford (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have friends/family who live where the Renault Tailsman is sold? If yes, can you get a photo off them please. Make sure to get a 3/4 full shot of the car and include both front and rear --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: I don't have friends or family living in a European country as they all live in the UK. Also they aren't the biggest enthusiast when it comes to cars. Sorry about that. --Vauxford (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vauxford, Thanks for your recent contributions. Having struggled finding an A4 with my DSLR, could you do the honours and please look for an Audi A4 (B9). Really appreciate it.

Keep up the amazing work --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:25, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EurovisionNim:, I recently came back from holiday so I have quite a lot of photos to deal and edit. (160+ photos) As well as the ones I took yesterday at my local classic car show but I will be heading to Stratford-upon-Avon where a Audi dealership is located so I will try and keep a look out. --Vauxford (talk) 19:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kewl mate, if you can get a street shot, that'd be better. Dealerships seem to be crowded --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: Well it that or having to wait months until they start appearing on the road. I can't really do much with things in the background. Personally, a few cars in a background is fine as long they doesn't protrude in front of the subject. --Vauxford (talk) 12:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks mate for File:2018 Audi A4 Sport TDi Quattro S-A 2.0.jpg – very good shot. I was looking for these :)) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. --Vauxford (talk) 11:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for uploading the HiLux image – I have seen plenty of them, but they appear to be commerically modded – thankyou for providing a great shot !! –-EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:50, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: Thank you. I see your improving as well. A lot more clearer and better lighting on your recent ones. --Vauxford (talk) 03:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxford, I usually tell people to get out of the way – Yeah cheers, I especially like my blue Civic sedan image, its the best one out of all my images --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Vauxford, Could you do me a favour and please picture the following cars.

• Mazda MX-5 (only the ND model)
• Alfa Romeo Stelvio (I noticed you only pictured the front, would it be possible to get a new shot showing both the front and rear)
• Aston Martin Rapide (pre-facelift only, as I have got a high quality shot of the facelift)
• MG ZS SUV (I took a pic back in Freo, but it turned out as bad quality, so please can you do that)

I enjoy your recent pics, they are very good. Also, one thing, if you don't have any cars that are not sold in the UK, but are sold in Australia, can you post me a list of the vehicles that you want me to picture. I specialise around the Fremantle area due to university. People who park their cars along the High Street are really nice, and allow me to picture their cars without any hassles. Now I do the car photography alone as I have familiarised myself with Freo and I cover greater lengths. People know I use these photos for Wikipedia, so they are aware of what I do with them.

Thankyou for your time and I hope you have a lovely day/night (can't tell which is which [its 7.40pm in Perth]). Cheers, --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:39, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim: I will try to. The pictures you listed are still uncommon on the road, Mazda MX-5 is what I likely able to photographed. --Vauxford (talk) 15:53, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxford, I was out in Fremantle, not long ago and I found a really good picture of a Toyota HiLux. I also noticed you took a similar picture of the HiLux of exactly same colour.

I was wondering which of the two is of higher quality. I believe mine is better because it is at a better 3/4 angle and the brightness of the vehicle is quite right, compared to yours which appears to be a little darker.

If you were the best person to decide, which is better. Please explain your choice, because both are of similar quality albeit of some extremely minor errors. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, Really, the angle for this case is just depend of preference. It still shows all the characteristic of the vehicle but mine is slightly darker because it was damp on that day. Both of them are decent images. One can be used for the Infobox and the other for the Generation infobox. It was a strange coincidence we both photograph the same spec and colour within days apart. Vauxford (talk) 13:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, Knowing you have the best quality image analysis, could you please assist me in analysing which is the better example as per Davey2010's revert.

I find that my new uploads File:2018 Skoda Fabia (NJ MY18.5) 81TSI hatchback (2018-10-01) 01.jpg and File:2018 Skoda Fabia (NJ MY18.5) 81TSI hatchback (2018-10-01) 02.jpg are higher quality due to the following below:

• File:DerNeueFabia.JPG has more distracting backgrounds of vehicles in comparison to File:2018 Skoda Fabia (NJ MY18.5) 81TSI hatchback (2018-10-01) 01.jpg which has no cars surrounding the shot. In addition, I believe that by Davey2010 reverting the rear view, he is showing the other hatchback picture (File:Skoda Fabia Style (III) – Heckansicht, 2. Mai 2015, Düsseldorf.jpg at a different angle compared to my rear view shot.

Could you please respond to this message with your judgement. Also please bring it to the talk page with your honest opinion. By another user stating his personal opinion I believe he is trying to violate WP:OWN/

Thanks, Nim --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed you reverted this edit I personally felt my grey Baleno was better quality and was cleaner and had a better background

However looking at both of these images I saw your Red Baleno (

has chromatic abrassions and also is very grainy, compared to my Baleno

By looking at both you can see that the Australian Baleno has no leaves on the car and also isn't overly sharpened unlike the red Baleno.

Could you please give me your best judgement and tell me why you think the red Baleno is far superior to my grey Baleno please. Just wondering as your edit summary said "previous was fine" which I don't completely understand. Please can you explain to me why you think that your red Baleno is much better than my grey one. Thanks --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, Reason why I reverted is there was no reason to replace them. The colour was fine, the background was fine, the angle was fine. It is a little messy but that can easily be fixed. Your forgetting the reason why I made that post on your talk page. I'm slowly losing my patience, do you even know what chromatic aberration is? I wasn't even sure if I was using the right term myself. Now your starting to use that term because I said it on a previous talkpage. Same goes with the side shots, I done that mostly for fun and style and didn't really intend to use it on articles but then you picked it up for your own gain.

I'm sorry Nim but I think am fully aware the real reason why you doing these spree of edits, which I used to have the same motives myself; Replacing every image with your own, regardless if it was justified and in good faith or not. Your getting too full of yourself and you just shown that from when Davey reverted your other edit simply in good faith and then you accused him of something ridiculous. If these are the reasons why you doing these replacement, then it makes my reason why I photograph cars completely meaningless, what the point of doing these edits if you just gonna replaced them even if they are justified or not and for the vaguest of reasons. --Vauxford (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, That is my honest opinion, I'm sorry if some of my statements make me sound like a hypocrite or absurd but that how I feel about this and I couldn't think no other way of saying it. --Vauxford (talk) 14:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxford honestly I really don't care. I have done car photography for the last 3-4 years and I have taken feedback from many users in improving the quality of my images. Honestly, I'm extremely limited... Maybe what i should do is maybe focus on the articles that I know have extremely low quality images and see what I can do to make some refurbishments.

For the past 3 years, User:OSX was the one who wanted me to follow WP:CARPIX. Honestly, he is completely full of himself. He believes that by implementing his methodology that this is going to produce high quality images. I know how u edit and i hope we can discuss this further in the future. Goodnight mate, I better get some sleep now. Im very stressed from the hard work i did on Monday... I did the car pics on my own. Goodnight buddy and hope to see some more of your amazing shots --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:41, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, Thanks for your recent uploads. I especially liked the Suzuki Celerio image. In Australia, these have been sold really poorly (or I think they are on the roads, but don't see them.) I am really impressed with the recent uploads. I've also taken on your feedback about my editing behaviours on Wikipedia. Now I work out to see which images do need replacing, and also I expand my edit summaries to make more sense for users, such as you.

However, I am dismal about your recent revert on Kia Picanto. I mean, your image was fine, but having a look at mine, you can see that when I zoom in on my computer your image has more blurry ends than mine, which is sharper, but i would let you be the judge of it... (I don't mind if you think yours is better but I was working out to see which was sharper on my comptuer).

Thanks for picturing the Celerio, I have been wondering if someone can give me a high quality image of a Celerio. Also, don't worry about removing me as your favourite car photographer, lol its all good !! Stay safe and keep spotting those amazing English cars, while I'm stuck with the Aussie cars, which unfortunately you don't have in England :D :D --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim Hi Nim, thank you for your feedback and I'm glad your taking my advice with what happened a few weeks back. Taking a look at your Picanto, yes yours has more sharper end. I mostly reverted it because of the overwhelm distraction but I'm starting to change my mind about it. As for the GLC class, I decide to not alter it, not because of the background or simplistic wall but because we did need a non AMG Line example (note the front foglights are from the AMG).

Apologise if I might of repeated this, but simplistic background and walls are a problem for where I live as it full of hilly roads, Tudor houses and medieval architectures, the blue Kia Picanto which you used is parked behind a historical wall of Warwick Castle as well as the Victorian architectures of Leamington Spa, although it does have some good roads where decent cars are parked like Regent Grove so do bear that in mind with my photos for future edits.

Australian cars do sometime appear in the UK, do remember seeing one or two Vauxhall Monaro which is the rebadged of the Holden Monaro (V2) but are quite rare as well as someone imported a Holden Suburban in my area which I photographed. --Vauxford (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Really mate, can I proceed with reverting the edit, I will not proceed, until you actually say yes. Just saying, I got about 2 opinions from friends and they say compared to yours, mine is a lot sharper. Besides, I take a long time to achieve a perfect shot.

I'm taking massive care in focusing my shots but I want your opinion first. May I proceed? --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? The Picanto? --Vauxford (talk) 12:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I say you can keep it, I just seen my one, the front wheels didn't get focused so their really blurry. So yes, you can it revert it, I was about to myself. --Vauxford (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done!! – Please note, you are most welcome in overwriting my images. Actually please do so, so they meet your standards !! --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vauxford, Thankyou for your recent edits. I've really got to know how you edit and I've managed to change my editing styles after reading WP:BRD and WP:OWN.

I have a slight concern with your recent edit of Audi A4 in relation to two high quality images. I'll give you my opinion about which of the two is better through a nice summary comparing the two.

I find my image compared to yours is slightly better because of the following

• Cleaner rims
• Less distracting backgrounds i.e. no cars
• Very minimal reflections, having a look at your car it has plenty of reflections as it is a dark colour
• The wall in the background is a good backshadow. Despite it not being in a historical area, it shouldn't have a massive impact on the quality

This is why my image is better. As per WP:BRD, I was bold in my edit, you reverted it and now we are discussing it. Could you please tell me which of the two is better. Because this is a similar case with the Kia Picanto. I would like to know so we can agree on terms.

Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 06:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, This is nowhere near similar to the Kia Picanto case, I let you reverted that one because the one I took was blurry in that aspect. Regardless I don't see the problem as your image is still being used but in a different area. It helps match the infobox of the B9 section as you photographed both front and rear while my one, I only photographed the front.

With the whole "simplistic backgrounds" you been mentioning on your edits, it seem like you're still leaning towards OSX's near impossible CARPIX guidelines. My Audi photo does contain a car in the background but it doesn't always jeopardise the entire photo, especially when my one was photographed at a Audi dealership where there cars everywhere, a little bit of dirt on the rims: so what?. There is a bit of reflection is because the car is new, can't do much about that and not a good enough reason to replace it. --Vauxford (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford,

I noticed with your recent upload of

and therefore inserting them to the article, without having a look at the white X5. – Do you have any suggestions that I could improve my shots?

Could you please tell me in your summary, why you believe your image is better than mine. Having a look at mine. I've analysed my image and it is much better quality. Your image looks very blurry and the colour looks to be very dark therefore not being a dominating colour has more reflections.

Please give me a summary of your edits on this talk page, explaining which one is better. I've zoomed into your photo, it appears you may have colour noise and it looks very dark.

--EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 05:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, The noise is there because it was getting dark, it didn't help that I messed up one of the settings and ended up having a unnecessary high ISO so I admit it not the best photo I took. I changed it because I wanted some variety when it come to colours but having another look at it, it doesn't seem to work. Also, I think it unnecessary to "zoom into" photos to find quality, not all quality means higher pixels and to be honest it one of your blindspots when it comes to replacing images. --Vauxford (talk) 14:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think what the best idea is to get some extra mentoring from someone who has experience with the car spotting. I've done this for 4.5 years so I know what to look for when picturing a vehicle. I even bashed someone who tried to interfere with my shot. This is sorta unacceptable, but I demand high quality shots without people interfering. In the meantime, could you look for a Subaru Impreza for me please. I have had some bad luck with these cars. I also think your black fence is sorta not contributing well to the shot. I'll retake another X5 for you. Could you look for the Impreza please? Any generation will work, but i like the 5th generation please :)). Also as a suggestion try to limit your car photos. I have a rule, that after 5pm I cease all photographic activities of vehicles. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, That black fence is common in Leamington Spa since it a Victorian town, I told you this several times about this. There nothing to improve with the existing X5, no need to retake another one. Do remember you don't need to apply too much pressure to get "quality shots", sometimes their other aspects of a photo that makes it high quality that isn't just more pixels. Also, current-gen Subaru's are rare in the UK as they don't really sell well as the European cars.

I also don't not need mentoring all because I made one mistake, don't get too smug about it as I already knew it was a bit late when I photograph the X5, in fact, I'm the one who been "mentoring" you about not being super picky and trying to follow impossible guidelines when replacing images! --Vauxford (talk) 15:07, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please apologise if I get super-picky. This is how I analyse taking pictures of vehicles on Australian roads. I based these off User:OSX and Mr.choppers whenever I picture vehicles. The feedback I receive from them allowed me to purchase a new camera and begin picturing vehicles. I also downloaded photoshop to clean up some edits.

Also Fremantle is a very historical area, but is very busy so its occassional that I get quality shots, but I always do my best. People in my suburb of Nedlands can be totally selfish especially with their cars, however the Freo people are extremely nice and allow me to picture their cars. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:19, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, There you go going on about stuff completely irrelevant and misinterpreting of what I'm saying. All your streets seem to be grid-like and full of dedicated spots and parking spaces, for where I live that isn't the case. You even mention the feedback you got from the very person who made photographing cars pretty much made for people who live in certain areas such as Australia! I doubt you even pick up what I said from the other talkpages I posted to you. --Vauxford (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford,

I hope you and your family are well. Thankyou for taking back my feedback in relation to the quality of the images and identifying the scuff marks and other faults !! I really appreciate the amount of effort that you have put in relation to the quality of your images. I've also made mention back in October 2018 based on this discussion [1] we discussed that we needed non-AMG lines for the articles. However, I've noticed you been reverting back the images to yours with the edit summary "Previous is fine" which I do not understand because looking back, I've been trying to fix up my edits to meet the satisfactory requirements for Wikipedia.

Take an example of the edit you made in March with the GLC and the edit you made today. I've noticed your edit summary was a little bit simple, but I couldn't understand why you reverted my image. so essentially I reverted it back and put a detailed edit summary, bringing it to the talkpage. I will also further add a note to the GLC's talk page. I've analysed yours, even though yours is alright and looks new, I personally believe the dark grey is producing unnecessary reflections, and to settle the dispute, I brought this to the talkpage for us to work out which is better.

I've further noted you have been thinking I've been using WP:CARPIX for my pictures. Unfortunately you are incorrect. The images I've been taking have been based on internet research and also by receiving feedback from others in relation to the quality of the images. Look, mine is blurry but as I discussed on my talkpage, would it be possible to give me solutions. My camera is 4.5 years old and i've not once cracked it and also been using Aperture Priority for all if not most of my shots.

In summary, lets come to a discussion whose is better. Could you please respond with your best comparison in relation with both these images, because it would be nice to ensure for future discussions, we don't fall into an edit war. Please respond when you can --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 04:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, This is the 6th time that we had to go back to my talkpage. A year ago this didn't matter, the reflection, the "distracting backgrounds", removing every spec of dirt, nook and cranny and completely reflection free, it doesn't matter if a picture does have elements of that as long it was a good photo, why has it got to the point that we have to edit so exhaustively on a damn car picture! Now it seem every car needs to be renaissance masterpieces. I wasn't criticising about your camera, as long as it working it fine, a digital camera like a Coolpix is fine. Also why are you so determined to try and photograph another X5 when the one I put was just fine? Also that AMG Line car, yes I admit I do sometime make vague edit summary, the reason why I replaced that because I thought it was better to have a top spec version, if you want to add your non AMG Line on the Wikipedia pages, go ahead. Again you going over the top with all this. --Vauxford (talk) 13:05, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind if the images are of low or high quality. It doesn't matter. You keep replacing your images on a lot of articles that do not need replacing. I've been trying my best to ensure that the images are being used by varying authors, such as User:M 93 & User:OSX. These guys have been doing some high quality images alongside yours, yet you insist in your heart that your images are the highest quality. Also going back to the GLC, alright we can maybe try to resolve this properly, but because I've been trying to get images which are less distracting. Okay look I may go overboard, however this is the chance that I can have to achieve good quality shots. I also want to have some of your images to be used on articles no problems, however you intend to replace every single image that is of course decent quality yet alone we are trying to get the best quality image possible. I'm in Australia, the AMG-Line is technically our package version for the AMG, yet alone we do have the GLC 43 AMG that can be used for the AMG front line as opposed as showing a different style, we can use just the basic style. Okay. In addition, it is important to discuss on talkpages if we have a dispute, that the main way we can resolve conflicts. EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim No, we do have AMG in this country but it a separate marque. --Vauxford (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I will try and find out that suits, I'll put it in when I see it. You're a good friend, but I think we have gone a bit over the top... Have a good night --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim, What I meant is AMG Line is one of the top spec without being a actual AMG that why I used it as the main Infobox but I left your image on most pages as a side by side comparison and for the stubs on other Wikipedias I used the top spec as the main image. --Vauxford (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like your edit summary on List of sport utility vehicles. Well done, thats the type of edit summary which will be good. Have a nice day --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:28, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have a car request for you. We are trying to edit the Suzuki Swift article and I was wondering, because we do not have the 3-door version of the 2nd gen Swift in Australia, would it be possible to grab a front and rear pic of the vehicle. I will try and look for the five door version, best EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 12:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vauxford! Please tell me why this is full-size SUV? And why? (I'm not the person who tries to vandalizing like spamming users) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.255.79.133 (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening Vauxford, I would like to give my massive thanks for you in improving your images. I have analysed and added some of your images to replace some of the shoddy car show images. I've been looking for a lot of these cars in Fremantle, but haven't had much luck. In saying that, I did some photography of vehicles in Fremantle on the 2nd of November. Taking feedback and analysing my photos, I've made some massive improvements with my images. Yet to be fair, you have been doing some amazing shots. I live near a Toyota car dealership, but I don't like these car dealerships as the cars seem to be crushed. I much prefer Freo because of the natural surroundings. Please reply to this message, I really appreciate your recent uploads. Stay safe and happy photographing !! --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 10:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EurovisionNim:, Since when was I being monitored with my pictures? I don't see any improvements other then the weather was being kinder to me. Car garages are useful to photograph the latest models, cars in the background doesn't matter and don't usually affect the subject in the photo, it be a crap car garage if it didn't have any cars in it. I told you this before. Fremantle to me seem like just some big and flat grid-like city with super wide roads which to be honest is quite a unfair advantage for me since my roads are all narrow and hilly (As I previously discussed this with you before). But thank you though. --Vauxford (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, Thanks for your recent uploads. I like your use of Aperture Priority in most of your photos. I have a couple of concerns in relations with your uploads, but wasn't going to proceed until we discussed it:

The two images that I have placed, I was slightly concerned about the quality, I believe checking through the metadata I found you used Manual mode for moving car pictures. Ok, normally when I do moving car shots (I usually do that for buses), I tend to put my camera on Shutter Priority at least 1/1000 but let the camera do the work, instead of you having to move around. An example of a perfectly timed shot would be File:Transperth 2015 Volgren Optimus bodied Volvo B8RLEA diesel Rt. 530.jpg. It takes me a lot of practice to achieve the perfect shot. Mind you, I have done a lot of bus photos so I do know what is required. As Australia rarely has cloudy days, I find it hard to find a day which doesn't interfere with my daily life.

Another concern I would like to raise with you is your recent edits replacing File:2017 Ford Ranger Limited.jpg with File:2018 Ford Ranger (PX) XLT 4WD 4-door utility (2018-10-22) 01.jpg. I noticed you also used in your edit summary "Less noise in the picture and less overwhelming distraction" to replace my white Ranger, I was a little perplexed. Having taken this image, I haven't seen any problem with my image, and why you replaced it, I don't understand, because generally speaking, white and other light coloured cars e.g. blue & yellow tend not to have reflections.

I would like to raise these concerns with you and could you further elaborate some of my concerns with your honest opinions, this would be really appreciated in my next goal of improving my car photos. Best EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim I already told you on my edit summary why but thank you for the advice though. --Vauxford (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will find the same white vehicle and retake it. Also like last time, you always told me what you did and where you got your pictures? Can you keep me in the loop again, so I know what to expect from you? --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim You don't have to retake it just because (I personally think) the one I took is a better example and photo. You tried to do it with the BMW X5. I told you this before, why can't you focus on cars that aren't from the UK? Also, what do you mean by keeping you "the in loop"?

--Vauxford (talk) 03:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Normally you told me what you were up to, in relation to your car photography. Again, you seem to be dominating the UK markets with cars that you have taken rather than focusing on the Australian market. Stop trying to state that your personal opinions, by saying that your image is better because personally you think that by ensuring that cars such as Ford Ranger and BMW X5 are from the UK. I've ignored a lot of cars, but the Ranger & X5 are reasonably rare in the area I picture cars, such as Fremantle. It is in abundance in the Western Suburbs i.e. Nedlands, Dalkeith, Mosman Park etc. I've been doing this for the last five years and also you have been making unnecessary reverts. We are not basing on opinions of each other. Normally say that white coloured cars have less reflections, along with brightly coloured cars. In addition, if mine has a better angle, sometimes you revert them. Take the Audi Q7 for example, you reverted my edit believing your image of the Q7 you pictured was better,

. I've had a look at it, its very oversharpened, and my examples of the NSW and WA ones were better examples i.e.

. It seems in my opinion that you believe that some (if not all) of your images should be on Wikipedia. I usually do focus on non-UK cars, and Subarus, however I'm getting tired of having to improve Wikipedia. We want Wikipedia to be an encylopedia with the highest quality images, but having a look at your Audi it looks very low quality from my eyes. I've proposed a discussion to talk about replacing it, but you seem to think that your Audi is perfectly fine, but looking at it, it looks oversharpened. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mean to sound rude but it 3 in the morning here and I'm trying to sleep. I will talk about this with you later in the day. --Vauxford (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but I will not proceed replacing the images until you and I are on the same page :) Okay --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vauxford, As per the discussion I had earlier in the morning, I would like to follow up on talk about the Audi Q7 edits that you have made recently. Please take List of sport utility vehicles, for example, you reverted my edit believing your image of the Q7 you pictured was better, File:2017 Audi Q7 S Line Quattro 3.0 Front.jpg. I've had a look at it more closely and I have discovered that it is very oversharpened, and my examples of the NSW and WA ones were better examples i.e. File:2018 Audi Q7 (4M MY18) 3.0 TDI quattro wagon (2018-11-02).jpg along with the WA one File:2017 Audi Q7 (4M MY17) 3.0 TDI wagon (2018-10-12) 02.jpg. Through my analysis I personally find that your UK images are extremely oversharpened and would like to have a discussion with you in relation to reverting my edits. I would also like to discuss these following edits because I personally believe that my image is not overly sharpened like your images. I have no problems with the dirt and other small problems, but I believe that you should take a second look at your image because noticing that I took a look, you seem to think that because its not a DSLR image it is fine. I don't agree with you because its essential to ensure that we are providing Wikipedia with the best quality images possible. I thought I would like to raise these concerns with you and to decipher which one is the better one. I'm not at all following WP:CARPIX, I now realise its impossible, but just through my own formulation of high quality shots. Please respond to this message, this is to prevent edit warring and also to ensure we are both agreeing with the same principles of car photography--EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim I apologise for the late reply. For a start, let not fall out over these matters. One thing for sure, image quality by pixels is not always the overriding factors but do have to be taken in consideration. That Audi Q7 picture was with my old bridge camera which was lower end and never been edited except for blanking the number plate, in fact I recall you were the one who used it on the article first. Images taken with varying cameras under different circumstances can be of equal value which you prove that back when you deemed almost every image I took when I first started out as "Higher quality". There are many other factors as well such as lighting, reflection (sometime can't be helped due to a car being new) and angle. You're taking "highest quality image" too rigidly.

Also what you said, "Again, you seem to be dominating the UK markets with cars that you have taken rather than focusing on the Australian market. Stop trying to state that your personal opinions, by saying that your image is better because personally you think that by ensuring that cars such as Ford Ranger and BMW X5 are from the UK." I don't really know where you got that from, this has nothing to do with how many ones are in what country it was taken. Is that why you feel the need to have to retake shots of cars so yours can appear on articles instead? Even though the ones on there are perfectly fine and no one is bothered. --Vauxford (talk) 02:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but the Audi Q7 image of yours looks to be oversharpened, whereas my images has the correct pixels. The Audi Q7 NSW front view, ok that was completely blurry, because something went wrong with my camera settings. When I checked your image, it seems that your UK white Audi has too much 'noise' or sharpness. I don't really care about your camera model,

I've even used some of your images for the old camera model for the article as well. I am NOT taking the higher quality too rigidly, i'm trying to work out which one of us has the better shot. The WA Audi Q7 is much better quality because it does not have too much sharpness. I can view it full-size and I can easily pick up that the rear end is blurry, thats why I was going to replace it. I generally provide a comprehensive edit summary when reverting edits. That doesn't mean your camera is bad, maybe just one day that you may have been shaking your camera, does your 'bridge' camera have image stabilisation?.

I've also focused on achieving HQ shots, that doesn't mean I just use my camera. On rare occassions, such as Holden Cruze, I took the maroon WA Cruze on my iPhone and it was quite good, this was because the weather was permitting that day. I will highly unlikely replace that. If we clicked on this, we can see the rear looks to be very blurry from this view, but in thumbnail it isnt. Also not being fussy, but the structure over the car roof seems to be a little distracting, so I suggest this once, that I will replace this image with File:2018 Audi Q7 (4M MY18) 3.0 TDI quattro wagon (2018-11-02).jpg to say the least, because it is nice and clear. Look, even though I appreciate all your uploads, we should have a share of our images.

Also note, I will absolutely be using your other Audi images in the article. So that means its a deal that we can share both our images for use in the articles. Also its not a first-come first serve basis, we all need to contribute our own images in a way. I hope you understand and please build up on this discussion. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Vauxford, Thanks for uploading the many images of vehicles in the United Kingdom. I like to make special mention of the current generation Civic hatchback that you spotted. These are quite hard to find in Australia. Also, another image I would like you to find one day is the Ford Mondeo sedan. The sedan version of the Mondeo is not sold in Australia due to the Ford Falcon immense popularity in the sales, that causes it to be chewed up.

I would like to address a concern about one of your edits on Ford Mondeo. Look, I know we have been through this discussion before with previous images, but I replaced your Mondeo image with File:2018 Ford Mondeo (MD) Trend liftback (2018-11-22) 01.jpg. I find my image out of the two has better angle compared to your blue one. Also we find that colours that are silver, white or any bright colour has a better chance of being replaced.

I would like you to state your opinion about your image of the Mondeo. I have no problems if you want to keep the image of the sedan, but just saying my image of the different Mondeo images. I find my image has a much better angle. To make a compromise, I have moved the image of your sedan to the top infobox to keep everyone satsfied. Could u have a look at my image of the liftback Mondeo and your image of the sedan and if you believe my image is not the suitable example. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 07:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thx for uploading a new image of the Stelvio. Its a hard car to find but you persevered. Good job !! EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 08:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxford. Whilst I appreciate your recent uploads, you seem to have a knack of reverting my edits after I've replaced them on the foreign Wikipedias. Please note, again while I appreciate your edits, I've also shared some of your other images, yet you needed to revert to place the original image of your Kia Sportage. Again, the edit summary i've explained applies to the other Wikipedias, so I didn't see the need to revert the silver Sportage, so I have reverted it back. Again, I've explained to you that the Kia Sportage I took in Fremantle has less reflections along with smudge marks, so therefore it would be a higher quality image. Sometimes, mobile phone quality images are fine, but in your instance with the orange Facelift Sportage your image was extremely reflective. I see you sometimes complain of my images being very reflective. Look, i've explained this over and over again, i'm fine with your edits, but you seem to have a dislike of me replacing my images over yours based on quality. I do focus on non-UK cars, but to be fair, and to cut slack, you seem to be gaining an uneven edge over me with worldwide cars.

Please see the examples that I've set to the right. I've told you in the previous edit summaries and also with the discussion on my talkpage, that you think that your image would be high quality, when in fact it won't be. Also you seem to be blaming me for the hypocrisy on the English Wikipedia. Well, you seem to be obsessed with the idea that your image should be used on every single Wikipedia article. Worldwide cars does not mean just your country. I've also focused on replacing some of other users images with yours, yet you are trying to sparingly replace all the images without any cause. I have however, for your image, if there was a matching rear, I've left it out, because I was too embarassed to show a car with a shade.

As a suggestion, why don't you focus on the European cars, which are popular, such as BMW, Audi, Ford, Porsche etc. and leave the Asian cars to others because countries such as Australia sell these in high numbers, yet you have to revert my edits to prove that you have an edge over me. I'm not sure whether I'm going to continue for much longer, at this rate because as suggested, I've ignored most of the European cars, which sell in the UK, especially Ford. I'm a bit like Pil56, except in my case I have a dislike for people who revert to their own images because they believe that their image is fine. In addition, if another user reverts my image to yours, say Davey2010, I would have no problem, because the person who was the creator of the image is not trying to get fair gain over the article as described as WP:OWN. Also look, I'm not just replacing mine. I'm not being a hypocrite, I'm not following WP:CARPIX, I'm just saying what others would say. Many people on Wikipedia have a dislike for low quality mobile phone images. Samsung phones can make images very grainy, such as your Kia Sportage image.

If this continues, I might have to give up Wikipedia as I see no value in allowing for my images to continue. User:OSX at least didn't necessarily revert all my images, but unlike you we teamed up and found some of the best cars and we have come to a conclusion without any problems. I'm feeling that you are just here to annoy other users and to make sure that your images should be at your own judgement. Yet, on the German Wikipedia, you made a completely unnecessary revert. Look, I've told you this (probably the 25th time) that because I revert your images, does not mean that I don't appreciate your uploads. I really like them, so could you please maybe cool it down. Whilst you and I have been very good in the past, its these disputes that what is tearing up Wikipedia and I do not see the need to blindingly revert all the images, I hope you understand. Please continue uploading, but maybe get a couple of opinions (or get someone else to revert yours, rather than saying yours is fine, remember Wikipedia is edited by millions of people including me and I do not want to have to come to this discussion again). Please do not revert until we have discussed it. Bring it to my talkpage. Also I'll get another car spotter like Mr.choppers to get involved so we can come to a dead conclusion and we can agree on both terms. If he believes yours is better, I'll stop the edit revert, its just I absolutely hate the creator of an image to be stingy and take their place. I don't even do it myself, I only do it when I know mine is better :)) Best EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:00, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EurovisionNim. Sorry for the late respond, now, I know this won't help my defence with my picture, but the car it actually Infra Red, a premium colour choice for the top spec. When I was telling focusing on certain cars. I don't just mean European, I mean any cars that are common and are on the market in the UK. In a earlier talk page I gave you a list of cars that are not on sale in the UK.

The thing with me and foreign Wikipedias, a lot of them aren't as maintain as with German and English and what I and what Alexander tries to do is update each article, sometimes Alexander can be a bit sly and replace additional of his own image along with the one he mention in his edit summary. It seem like we are both bad as each other when it come to these "knacks", we always want to strive and want our image on their first, which you can to a certain extend on the English Wikipedia. Your picture get the same coverage on the English Wikipedia then 20+ other Wikipedias combined.

It sound scummy I know, but I prefer to just update it with a basic image (mostly my own), not the top notch but one that would do for the page, and if some individual on one of those Wikipedia is bothered about it, so be it.

"Worldwide cars does not mean just your country" it seem you still have this nonsense thought in your head that what I'm doing is for nationality reasons; it's not. You also seem to don't mind borrowing words and thoughts I said and use it in your own defence, such as the ones I quoted in the "Hypocrisy" discussion on your talkpage. These sentence were the exact sentence and problems I had with you, another example is when I was evaluating a image and I mention chromatic aberration. Not so long after that disucssion we had a dispute with one of our images, you used that same wording to try and support yourself.

To be honest Nim, even after these years you been on Wikipedia which you mention a few time, you just don't seem to be able to hold your own ground. You always appear to follow whoever have influence and heavily rely on them for your own gain rather then thinking for yourself. I done it myself but that when was I first joined in 2016 then I began to take my own path and my own thoughts and faith; and not be afraid of criticism if others don't like my views, but to me you just never gone past the weaning stage of a editor. I'm sorry if this might of hurt you but that what I really think of you as.

List of cars that are NOT sold in the UK but are in Australia:

• All Australian manufacturers such as the Holden
• Ford (Falcon & Everest),
• Toyota (Kluger, LandCruiser 70, 200 & Pardo, Tarago, HiAce, Prius C & Fortuner)
• Mazda (CX-9 & CX-8)
• Subaru (Liberty) Impreza, XV, Forester, Levorg, Outback & BRZ are sold in the UK but are very uncommon.
• Nissan (Patrol & Pathfinder)
• Suzuki (Grand Vitara)
• Kia (Cerato & Carnival)

That like 30+ cars that aren't sold in the UK plus any discontinued model that weren't sold in the UK either.

Anything else it likely in the UK, especially Kia and Hyundai. --Vauxford (talk) 11:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks, also I noticed that you replaced my silver one with your orange one. Was there a reason to? I reverted your edit for reason, and you just thought that your image looks to have a bad background as a result of the weaning clouds. I suggest maybe do some edits on the orange one. What was wrong with my silver one, besides the sun glare on one of the rims. Please can you further summarise to me what went wrong with the edit? I wasn't too sure why you replaced it. You seem to think phone cameras are a lot better than the DSLR shots. The silver one was taken on a DSLR so shouldn't it be the better option? I would like to hear your thoughts. Also why was it really necessary to replace the orange one? I think we are going to bring it to discussion through another person for a second opinion, I do not agree that your one is the best quality. However, I do like the Tesla Model X (grey one) you photographed, thats a good shot. Please can you tell me why was it such a necessary feat to replace your orange one? Thanks EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]