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I reworked two articles marked for deletion. Anna Margaret Ross Alexander and Marion Harvie Barnard. Don't know the author, only noted that they were both women and I think they are able to be saved. They did require major rework and sourcing. Anyone who cares to weigh in? @Montanabw:, @Rosiestep:, @Victuallers:, @Ipigott: Thanks SusunW (talk) 08:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trolls that live in their mommy's basement with nothing to do but AfD stuff are a pain in the butt! And they are the worst with women's history articles! Grrr. (Donning sword and shield, mounting war horse, galloping off...) Montanabw^(talk) 04:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! @Ipigott: and @Montanabw:, and @Dr. Blofeld:. The original articles were pretty poorly written, the one on Alexander said in the lede she was a philanthropist PTA mom who raised her kids. o.O but still, there was clearly enough meat there to rework and show notability. I kept seeing in my minds eye one liners of sports figures who played half a season and have 2 sentences in Wiki. I think we have managed to save two more women as unless there is a flurry of no votes, we are clearly in the majority now. Thank you all! SusunW (talk) 12:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We saved Barnard, but they have relisted Alexander. Anyone have access to or a contact at Purdue? That archive she donated is supposed to contain newspaper references to her time on the school board. Ah, wait @Sadads: newspapers library, would it have articles on Anna Margaret Ross Alexander from 1960s - 1970s? SusunW (talk) 04:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The trolls are circling, you have to simultaneously source AND get more people to the AfD for comment. Montanabw^(talk) 05:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So much I cannot access from Mexico. *sigh* Will keep trying. @Rosiestep:, @Victuallers: can you weigh in?

@Ipigott: and @Montanabw:, and @Dr. Blofeld: I don't know how to make one of those back to the beginning arrows. There is another one marked for deletion. She is an academic, working in a fairly new field... women, technology and aging. Prolific writer. Issue is that the creator has used mostly the woman's own work as sourcing. I am working on resourcing now, but any help would be appreciated. She has been a visiting professor in both Italy and is working on a joint project with Mireia Fernández-Ardèvol, of Catalonia Spain. Maybe there are foreign language supports for her? Article is Kim Sawchuk. Her work appears important to me. All women age and in this day and age, cannot survive without technology. SusunW (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I reworked the article on Kim Sawchuk. She appears to be a major researcher in the field of aging and technology. Hard to find traditional news sources, but I was able to use University News outlets and conference notices as well as a limited number of book sources which she had not contributed to. If someone speaks French, it may be that articles can be found in the French press, as she lives and works in Montreal. I barely speak Spanish, French is beyond my abilities. SusunW (talk) 23:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

These school-based projects are both a boon and a bane to wikipedia; they really need to be run by someone who already understands how things work here, they mean well, but they often create a lot of work for us. Montanabw^(talk) 05:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. In some cases they seem to have a mentor who shows them the ropes. In others, they just seem to be dropped in and unfortunately, unintentionally make a mess of things. It is very hard to learn how to use the system. Mentors are crucial. I still feel like a virtual novice. BUT, I am learning about some fabulous people in trying to save the articles, so there is a plus side. SusunW (talk) 05:20, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Another well-spotted one here Susun. I'm glad to see the article has now been expanded with a host of sources. As for looking for French-language material on Kim Sawchuk, I think it is very unlikely there will be anything of interest. I know Montreal well (lived there for five years) and can assure you that the faculty of Concordia University are very seldom covered by the French-language press. I tried in vain to find info on her origins, including her place and date of birth. I see here that in 2012 she referred to her granddaughter Laure. I also found a highly detailed cv about 20 pages long here but the earliest date is 1978.--Ipigott (talk) 09:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@HazelAB: In my e-mail I have a message that says I have a message here. Here I have a message that says I have an e-mail. Neither of the messages contain any information other than to refer to each other. Was I supposed to get something else with instructions? If so, I did not. SusunW (talk) 12:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should receive an email message with instructions on how to sign up for your Newspapers.com account. It will contain a link to their signup page, and another link to a Google form for you to fill out. I sent the email a few minutes ago. If you don't receive it shortly (check your spam just in case) let me know and I'll try again. All the best, HazelAB (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@HazelAB: I got another message saying only that I had this message here. There isn't anything in my spam folder, so apparently, I am not getting a sign-up message. SusunW (talk) 14:06, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I tried again about 45 minutes ago. The email subject line was "Wikipedia email trying again". If you didn't receive this one either, please check your email preferences (under the Preferences link at the top right of the page when you're logged in to Wikipedia) to make sure that the email address you have there is the one you are using. Thanks, HazelAB (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @HazelAB:! Guess it was some very strange Mexican delay. I just received both e-mails. *sigh* I do appreciate your persistence in helping me. SusunW (talk) 16:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great news! Once you've signed up at Newspapers.com and filled in that Google form that asks for your email address, username etc. I'll forward the information to the contact person at Newspapers.com, who will activate your account so you'll have full access. Tomorrow, I hope! All the best, HazelAB (talk) 16:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@HazelAB: I've already done both, so hopefully you will see them on your end without delay. As both of those were web-based, the e-mail delay we sometimes experience down here doesn't usually apply. Fingers crossed. SusunW (talk) 16:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@HazelAB: Thank you for great work! @SusunW: Glad that you got access! Very excited to see what you do with! Sadads (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads:Thanks! I'm hoping to save a file marked for deletion, but we shall see. ;) SusunW (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SusunW, Newspapers.com has activated your account so you should have full access now. All the best, HazelAB (talk) 17:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @HazelAB:! I'll try it again. Did this morning but couldn't access anything. SusunW (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@HazelAB: @Sadads: WOO HOO! I posted my first source and hopefully I did it correctly. Anna Margaret Ross Alexander Realized given time frame a search under Mrs. John would more than likely give me better results. Maybe I can find enough to expand the article a bit. Thank you, thank you! SusunW (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice! HazelAB (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If your plate isn't full already, María Luisa Elío may interest you or Ipigott. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can try to help out with this one later but I'm busy with all kinds of non-Wikipedia assignments at the moment.Ipigott (talk) 10:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be glad to. Will start on it this morning and if Ian can help, the more the merrier. SusunW (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott: Go ahead. I will work on her husband. Don't want us to cross-edits and hang each other up. SusunW (talk) 15:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I have on Jomí García Ascot. Input is welcome. SusunW (talk) 20:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott:, @Rosiestep: French? I struggle with Spanish the nuances of French are beyond me. Can you tell me if the citation on page 810 means she received an award from the Spanish government in 2007? It is in Bernard Sicot reference. Thanks. SusunW (talk) 23:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Susun, The husband was already mentioned in the hook, so I bolded him @ Template:Did you know nominations/María Luisa Elío. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool, @Rosiestep:, I'll get on reviewing a file for it. SusunW (talk) 01:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a word on her Order of Isabella the Catholic decoration. There is obviously a great deal more that could be added on this enterprising lady but at least you and Rosie have made a good start. I also managed to find some background on San José de los Ramos in time for the DYK on Félix Ramos y Duarte.--Ipigott (talk) 08:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! I thought it was an award, but wasn't sure. Thank you. Very nice article on San José de los Ramos. It is amazing to me how all of this seems to fit together. One file leads to the next and another leads back to one you just did. The interview Tuñón did with Elío lead me back to Julia Tuñón Pablos, whose quote on women in history inspires me to keep digging. SusunW (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome that you found Julia Tuñón Pablos! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Does anyone know if there is a program to stop links from going dead or a bot which will archive/cache what was there when the article was written? It seems to me that the proposal to delete this file Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patricia Ocampo is based primarily on some sort of personal vendetta, but the links were all dead as well. I reworked it and was able to find 19 of the 20 schools she founded to date. But, would not want the links to die again. Was a substantial re-write but I think she easily meets GNG now, but only if the references can be maintained. @Montanabw:, @Rosiestep: SusunW (talk) 23:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wayback links are the best, they will be preserved and not go dead. If you worry that a source is iffy, you can even request that wayback archive the link the day you visit it. (though they won't archive news links from sites with no archive tags) Montanabw^(talk) 21:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is a wayback link and how does one access it or create it? SusunW (talk) 21:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I had to create several at Bazy Tankersley as the originals had gone dead by the time I got to FAC. For example, this link: <ref name=AHW2007>{{cite web|archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20130724191529/http://al-marah.com/pdf/0107alMarahWeb.pdf |url=http://www.al-marah.com/pdf/0107alMarahWeb.pdf|title=Al-Marah |author= Ryan, Nancy| work=Arabian Horse World |archivedate=January 2007 |accessdate=April 11, 2015}}</ref> shows that the original page [1] is dead, but if you go to the Wayback Machine ( http://archive.org/web/ ) and enter that link, I found a cached version of the original: [2] Feel free to play with this sample to figure out how it works. It's pretty cool! Montanabw^(talk) 22:18, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so I went there. I clicked on every single link in the article. Most of them were archived, but 6 of them were not, so I saved them. Do I need to input the archived links or just do that if they go dead? Seems like if you have to do that when inputting every link it would be a tedious process. Surely the great tech-god(ess)-in-the-sky has a bot that they could develop? SusunW (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have plenty of requests for the great tech-god(ess)-in-the-sky!! LOL --Rosiestep (talk) 23:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The bot catches a lot of stuff automatically, but sometimes it doesn't get internal pages. I admit that I usually don't, but that could bite me in the ass someday! Montanabw^(talk) 06:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I decided it was hardly worth making a list at this stage as there seem to be only five relevant biographies. You may however be interested in developing more. See for example the interesting background document here.--Ipigott (talk) 06:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting indeed. I shall see if I can work with some of them. Depends on if it becomes a language issue. I added Deema Shehabi to the Palestinian list since she is of Palestinian heritage, though born in Kuwait. The book she just published sounds totally fascinating. On another note, did you know that there were Finnish and Danish settlements established in Misiones Province, Argentina? I ran across a reference while trying to save a file on Patricia Ocampo to a Finn who wrote a Spanish-Finnish dictionary (what is it with me finding dictionary writers?) and that made me curious. There are articles on Finnish Argentine, Danish Argentine, and Swedish Argentine who knew? I love learning. SusunW (talk) 07:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, one of the early Danish Argentine heroes was Hans Fugl. See more in Spanish here and in Danish here. The article Juan Fugl could be considerably expanded. The Danes have been all over. See for example Danish India, Danish Gold Coast, Danish West Indies and Danish colonial empire. Going further back, there is considerable evidence that the Norsemen (Vikings from what is now Denmark and Norway) were early occupants of what is now Ukraine and Russia, giving Russia its name from "Rus" which comes from row boat. They also discovered North America around the year 1000, calling it Vinland. So that's your potted history lesson for this morning!--Ipigott (talk) 08:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Learning and morning coffee - Divine! Thank you SusunW (talk) 16:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another interesting life story appears to be that of writer, professor, feminist Alaíde Foppa... born in Spain, exiled in Mexico, kidnapped/disappeared/tortured/presumed murdered in Guatemala. Horrible! Just about everything I could find on her is in Spanish, and my Spanish translation skills aren't as strong as yours, so mentioning these newspaper articles: here and here and here and here. If you're busy with other things, no worries! --Rosiestep (talk) 04:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fascinating. Going to finish up a piece on David Williams, a Native American artist I knew as a kid. He was a major player in the art world in the 1970s and then died young of diabetes complications. But then I will hop on Foppa. SusunW (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosiestep: I have found a ton of info on her. Am working on it in my sandbox. Have a bunch of people coming over for dinner and she will be our "Spanish lesson" for the evening. Dual purpose learning! SusunW (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for expanding it. I dealt with some redlinks, creating stubs for her magazine, Fem (magazine) and its cofounder, Margarita García Flores. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done with it. Haven't touched the aftermath yet, but wanted to get what I had there. Oldest son only found out about his biological dad at her disappearance. Don't know if that is relevant to her story, but clearly is to him. Youngest daughter is one who relayed story to her siblings. They sought international attention, to no avail. Will put the rest in after Spanish classes tomorrow afternoon. SusunW (talk) 03:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yup; no rush to nom it as there are still a few days. Very interesting about the older son. Also created Esperanza Brito de Marti, who worked at Fem for many years; I just noticed some references where she's compared to Betty Friedan and I'll look at that more closely after work. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest son also helped Rigoberta Menchú in her case. They finally won this year her dad's murder case. Totally amazing how these all link together. History does not occur in a vacuum. SusunW (talk) 17:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Montanabw: Thank you! I needed a smile. I didn't contribute a lot, but am glad you got your featured article passed. Seems to me that is a daunting task. All the minutia that others saw would be overwhelming to me. As much as I'd like to see a couple of the articles I have worked on go to Good Article, not even remotely aspiring to FA, I don't know that I have the fortitude for the level of scrutiny involved. Mayhaps my forte is simply to add articles and clean up those that I can. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It takes a special skill set (and rhino hide) to run the gauntlet! I did several GA-class articles early on, usually with the help of 1-2 people, so its definitely something you can work toward, even now! (I did equine nutrition mostly on my own but Arabian horse and Horses in warfare were team efforts) The first couple were a little rough because I didn't have any mentors, but even so, it didn't take too long to get the hang of it and got as comfortable with flying as solo as one ever flies on WP (though I still collaborated a ton on some!). But I didn't take lead on any FAs for several years - I think Thoroughbred was the first one I helped with in a big way (but I wasn't lead editor, there were about six of us working on that one), then I did a bunch of stuff for Appaloosa and Yogo sapphire - both of which were particularly fun because different people had different areas of expertise and we had some wonderful collaborative efforts. I think the first FA I truly can claim as an 85% solo effort (I really think no WP article is ever 100% anyone's, though one can certainly be the "lead editor") was Oxbow (horse), and even there had some fantastic peer reviewers and such. Montanabw^(talk) 23:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, if you can get stuff to DYK, you can get stuff to GA too. The minutae is looked at carefully in part because that's actually the easiest thing to review! My advice for GA/FA is really pretty straightforward:

1. Know going in that GAN and FAC attract people who are very meticulous but it isn't personal.
2. Cite everything up the wazoo and try to cite as much as possible to sources that can be verified online (Hathi trust and Google books are particularly helpful here)
3. Be aware of the sources that raise ref flags for reliability issues (WP:RS)
4. Make sure all images are free-use and have proper licensing
5. Use consistent punctuation, citation format and such throughout
6. Keep tone as neutral as possible
7. The line between GA and FA is really the comprehensiveness criteria. A FA is, for all purposes, "peer-reviewed" with similar pitfalls.
8. Be ready to explain your reasoning for things you don't want to change, but be ready to change them anyway.
9. Once in a while you may get a troll reviewer, then you need to just withdraw and resubmit later

If you want to take something to GA, ping me and I'll help walk you through it! Montanabw^(talk) 23:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: I'd love to get the Feminism in Mexico there, but 1) I think it is too gargantuan a project especially without help to assess what I may have omitted and 2) I think it is too complex to start with such a big piece. I have also been toying with Anita Brenner. But, that being said, it needs to wait until mid-May. I'm giving myself a treat for my birthday and taking a holiday the first part of May. SusunW (talk) 01:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW and Montanabw: Its definitely easier to start with GAs and to do concrete, limited and closed topics (ones that can be researched through searching one term, rather than needing to know the implications of the scholars). I would definitely recommend GA: I think its the most constructive content review process in the Wikipedia community: you usually get some good feedback, the requirements aren't to rough, and the time commitment to respond to a reveiw is fairly limited (whereas FA is a bit absurd). I would strongly recommend doing it, Sadads (talk) 22:50, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosiestep: no rush, because I truly have no idea what I am doing here. I have no idea how to get the tables or infoboxes from the Spanish site [3] to my draft. Obviously I also need to add the photos from commons. I sort of merged the template from Hacienda Santa Rosa de Lima and the Spanish site into my draft User:SusunW/Hacienda Cacao. Found some interesting tidbits. But not much on the house itself yet. Will ask my dinner guests at tomorrow's weekly gathering where to look for more info on these. SusunW (talk) 06:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: regarding the demographics template in this es article, es:Cacao (Abalá), do you know how we would bring it into this en article, User:SusunW/Hacienda Cacao, short of re-creating the template? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ask User:Pigsonthewing for help, he knows templates. (Note, he is someone I like and respect, so tell him you know me and I recommended you contact him, else he may be a little curmudgeon-ly). Montanabw^(talk) 01:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: @Montanabw: thanks! Actually @Pigsonthewing: is fabulous. If you remember, he fixed my info box problem on native leaders in like seconds. (Okay, maybe minutes). But, we have a list going of some 80+ haciendas in Yucatán. Most have articles on Spanish wiki, and I can translate them, but don't know how to imbed either the maps or the demographic information. It requires a technical skill I do not have. Research, writing, I can do. Programming, not remotely. ;) SusunW (talk) 01:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:RexxS is also a good egg with the techie stuff, and if he can't fix it, he will know who can. Montanabw^(talk) 01:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: Like

@Rosiestep: I also have User:SusunW/Hacienda Chenché de las Torres prepared and can take it to mainspace when we figure out how to imbed the map and demographics. They found the house archives in it. Can you even imagine what jewels might be in there? SusunW (talk) 04:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosiestep: Is there something that I need to put on the file that says I used the template from the Spanish site? I didn't exactly translate it from their page because I had the Yucatecan government page and I found more info than they had, but I did dopy their format. Credit where credit is due, so to speak. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The template you need, on this wiki, is {{Infobox settlement}}. Have a go at using it (just copy the blank, and enter the relevant values, and let me know if you need further help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: help! I pulled the template and between the info that is on the Yucatán box and the info that is in the Cacao (Abalá)(es) box, I got the photo and some of the details to show up on my page User:SusunW/Hacienda Cacao. But I don't have the maps? and it is too big? and I am not sure if the latitude coord is E or W (East = Oriente; West = Occidente) but it made no difference in how it showed up in preview no matter what I changed it to. If I can figure out what to put in the template of one of these haciendas I can just copy it to the other 100, but I need to figure it out first. Can you tell me what I have in there wrong? Also, on the Spanish Cacao page is a section with demographics in a table. How do I get that here? Thanks for your help! SusunW (talk) 14:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Deor: Thank you! I have no idea what you did but you fixed the size and I got one of the images. :) SusunW (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing:, @Deor: or @RexxS: I'd still like to get the Yucatán map added to the info box, but don't know how to add the second map. Also do not know how to get the demographics table from the Spanish article into my English one. Will be grateful to anyone who can help. We have about 100 of these to do and I have 3 written but sitting on hold while I try to figure out the technical stuff. SusunW (talk) 23:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the second push-pin map for you (excuse me editing your sandbox). There is a list of available maps at Template:Location_map/List if you need to use others. --RexxS (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And now I've added the demographics table for you. Pardon me again for editing in your space, but it's easier just to do it than to try to describe how. Hopefully you can see what I've done and you'll be able to mimic that for future articles, but feel free to ping any of us if you have problems. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 23:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really enjoyed watching the "Yucatan Living tour of Hacienda Chenche de Las Torres". --Rosiestep (talk) 03:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC)}}[reply]

@RexxS: Thank you soooooo much. Please feel free to jump into my sandbox any time. I'm not yet sure how you did that but the other two I have written to this point are User:SusunW/Hacienda Chenché de las Torres and User:SusunW/Hacienda Chenkú both needing the second map and the demographics table. Tomorrow, when I am fresher and more awake, I'll see if I can figure out what you did. @Rosiestep: I know....good find. SusunW (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@RexxS: Fresh eyes this morning and I was able to fix the maps on all 3. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I totally appreciate those of you with technical skills as I do not have them. :) SusunW (talk) 13:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Susun, would you have a look at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia #Translating from other language Wikimedia projects and then this template: {{translated page}}, please. If you have based some of your content on that of the Spanish Wikipedia, then it would be good to place that template near the top of the talk page of the article you create. For example, you could put this {{translated page|es|Cacao (Abalá)|version=76730538|insertversion=659605690}} on Talk:Hacienda Cacao if you felt it was appropriate. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@RexxS: Thank you! I had asked someone else how to do that. Though little of it is a direct translation since I had to find sourcing, I did think it was appropriate because the format came from their pages, as did the photographs. Now to figure out where you got those version numbers. I already took Chenche de las Torres live too and am trying to get Chenkú ready. SusunW (talk) 19:40, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I usually just say {{translated|de|TITLE there|small=no}}, especially if it is no literal translation. If you need the versions, you go to article history, click on the version on the day when you translate, let's assume the most recent one: there you find a number. Do the same thing for the version when you inserted or on the day you moved from user to Main space, for the other number. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do the same thing, except I haven't used the small=no suffix. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @RexxS: for all of your help. @Gerda Arendt: you rock! I think I got them in properly on the 3 that are now live. I used their pages for photos, maps and the demographics, but the text I am translating directly from the government sources and others I have found because I found a few things on the Spanish pages that were not as clear as I thought they needed to be. Truly appreciate all the help. SusunW (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to thank the cabal of the outcasts ;) - I just installed a new feature, to add and discuss Posts, and would like feedback if it seems useful and if yes, how more useful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome in the cabal of the outcasts ;) - We are proud that half of our active members are female! - I intentionally did not make statistics in the outcomes, but noticed your name again and again, with your "own" work and helping others. Again, welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Susan. Thanks for starting Haciendas of Yucatán. A bit of a technical issue, though, with how the content was placed in the next article. The original article, Hacienda henequenera, should have been "moved" to the new name, which would have preserved the editing history (see WP:MOVE for instructions). By "cutting" the content out of the original article and "pasting" it into the new article, the original article's editing history is missing (i.e. attribution to the original editor). I'll see if I can sort out the editing history technicality, and if it's beyond me, I'll ask for help from a more experienced admin. It's all part of the learning curve and all that so just know I'm sharing this with you in the friendliest way. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosiestep: the technical learning curve for Wikipedia is virtually overwhelming to me. It is incredibly daunting. I hope that I have not created something that cannot be easily fixed or undone. Truly my sincerest apologies.

On another note, I thought that I read somewhere that photographs from a government are free use. Is that correct? I cannot find the reference anywhere. I have been working on User:SusunW/Hacienda Chichén of which there is no entry on Spanish Wiki at all. I cannot find photos in commons, but I always seem to have hard time finding photos there. This site [4] is run by the Government of Yucatán and has photos if I can use them. Obviously none of the ones with people in them, but there is an archway and a couple of photos with the porticos and main house. SusunW (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I read over WP:CUTPASTE but decided not to try it out on this article and requested assistance from Materialscientist who's been helpful with the heavy lifting in the past.

I know US Government images are fair use but I don't know if that applies to other governments... I'd venture that it doesn't. The best places to ask questions, though I'm biased as I was a founding member, is the WP:Teahouse, which is staffed by knowledgeable hosts 24/7! --Rosiestep (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the government! I start with WP:PD, which says that "In the U.S., any work published before January 1, 1923 anywhere in the world is in the public domain." Then I go to Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights which lists the general outline. (note: death of the author is called post mortem auctoris or "pma"). Governments really vary over whether their works are released into the public domain or not - for example, works by the US Government (i.e. government employee on government time) are PD, but seldom are any state government images PD. On wiki, I am a HUGE fan of "fair use" - when it is OK. For example, I just got FA on that Bazy Tankersley article with TWO fair use images. (See the images for what I did to get them allowed): Usually has to be an image that cannot be replaced by a free use image - person deceased, structure no longer exists of has been changed significantly, etc... Montanabw^(talk) 22:48, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: and @Rosiestep: I asked at the teahouse, but they just said check with the Mexican government. I do use fair use, A LOT, if it is for a person, but this was for a hacienda and I have a feeling with some 80 of these articles to be written, I will need photos for quite a few of them. I have written enough articles for Mexico that I know most of the photos must be fair use because Mexico's copyright is 100 years. *sigh* I found this little tool Free Image Search Tool that gave me some usable images for the article, as it apparently finds free use images. SusunW (talk) 18:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And one more birthday present... Drmies waved her magic wand (or bicycle repair kit, dunno) and synced up the article histories for the hacienda articles! Woohoo! So I'm going to move most of the hacienda stuff from my talkpage to Haciendas of Yucatán. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• My pleasure, my dear Ms. Rosiestep. Anytime. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Thank you @Drmies:! We would do very little without our technical-god(dess)-in-the-sky. And @Rosiestep: I found a whole article on the preservation zones of Mérida. Originally there were over 1,200 haciendas. Thank goodness they are not all significant. SusunW (talk) 14:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Searching Flickr for "creative Commons - free to use commercially,free to modify - can be a good place for the haciendas that exist today and allow tourists - a lot of people put up their vacation photos - not all with the right permissions for us, but Japanese tourists are particularly good about doing free use uploads, for some reason. The main hacienda article needs work too. Montanabw^(talk) 02:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You mentioned you didn't know how to archive. I'm going to archive some of my talkpage now. You can follow my edit history to see what I do manually. You'll also need a brown archive box on your talkpage. Take a look at mine, top right hand corner, and you can just paste it on your talkpage. Also, note, some people have automated their talkpage archives. More mumbo-jumbo about that here: WP:ARCHIVE. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm done with archiving for today. If the archiving stuff doesn't make sense, just let me know. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:05, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosiestep: Completely and totally beyond my comprehension. It is indeed mumbo-jumbo. I was gonna say I am too old to learn all this stuff, but tomorrow I'll be even older (it's my birthday), so I'll just have to try to muddle through it with fresher eyes. SusunW (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

	Happy Birthday, Susun!
	Hope you have a great day, and a wonderful year! Rosiestep (talk) 05:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Singing merrily along! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Birthday for tomorrow, Susun! As a present, I've set up automatic archiving on this talk page for you. That's the stuff right at the top of the page - you don't need to do anything. --RexxS (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What a lovely way to start the morning. Thank you all. (I am hearing three part harmony here.) @RexxS: OMG! Thank you. Not only do I get my stuff archived, I don't have to try to figure out how to program it. :) SusunW (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy, happy birthday! Montanabw^(talk) 22:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rather belated birthday greetings from me too! Maybe you'll be interested in Raquel Lebrón from Paraguay? Or one of the other ladies listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Intertranswiki#Stub_Focus_of_the_Week.--Ipigott (talk) 13:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Montanabw: and @Ipigott: I had a lovely day. Yes Ian, I'd be thrilled to work in one of the ladies. This hacienda project is big, but the ladies must not suffer. SusunW (talk) 14:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great! If you would really like to continue working with us, you are welcome to sign up here. You don't need to put yourself forward as an expert in Spanish if you don't want to but I know you are a fantastic researcher and would be a valuable help.--Ipigott (talk) 14:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a category for members of the ill project? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ritchie333/How_newbies_see_templates

It is exactly like that. Ask a question on here and you get "27 8×10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one" ... LOL (The reference is to Woody Guthrie.) SusunW (talk) 12:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it was Arlo! (And I heard him perform it live - admittedly in the 1990s...I'm not THAT cool!) LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 00:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least you got the reference and yes, I always do that, I dunno why, mental block. I know the son did the song, but I always reverse the names. Normally I would do a word association, but in this case, nothing works. My brother-in-law's dad was also from Okemah and also named Woody, but I still cannot remember he is the dad. Mayhaps Arlo would change his name? LOL But it really does make me think of that every time I ask ask a techy question. SusunW (talk) 01:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Awesome work on all the Haciendas! A tip: its really important to make sure that your articles don't become WP:Orphaned articles with very few or just one or two links to the articles. This means that you are less likely to get readers who accidently discover the topic (one of the beauties of Wikipedia per https://xkcd.com/214/). I noticed that for some of them, you were adding links to the town or village where the building is at: this is a first good step. However, you may also want to think creatively about linking them together, whether through creating WP:Navboxs or by adding links to lists. I also really like Edward Bett's Find Link Tool for finding opportunities to link to articles (documentation is at User:Edward/Find_link)

@Sadads: It's a bit slow going on the haciendas because I am having to create the municipality pages and look up sources. The Spanish wiki really does not appear to hold to the same citation standards, thus I am having to resource most of the data. What I did on the two pages that I created yesterday for the Municipalities is that I put the haciendas in those "townships" on the page. Hopefully as I complete them, that will then give them a link to the village/pueblo, a link to the township, a link to the main hacienda page and a link to the Yucatan list. Some of them will eventually link to Lauburu and some to a page on the Count of Miraflores if I, or someone else, gets around to writing it. A lot of these were owned if not built by culturally significant people, who might end up having an article themselves. ;) SusunW (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Each and every Wikipedia has its own culture :P Its really rather striking, especially when you move from community to community. German, for instance, is like Night and Day with English: they don't require footnoting, just full citations at the end of the article, like in traditional encyclopedias; they operate on more of a "trusted editor" framework, where once you prove your established reputation, you get a lot more leeway on how you represent topics in an article.

Do you have a project subpage that other people can help you check off the list of to-dos? I would love to help in some way, but don't know where to start: with the famous people or towns or something of that nature. A project list where everyone who is helping could check off work and add potential notable topics, would be awesome: you seem to have found connections with some of the most prolific article creators in the community, and giving a place for everyone to work from would definitely allow some of us to contribute more :)

" I find that I like adding links to articles when I am tired: its a good repetitive task to feel productively contributing. I also, like using the template Template:Navbox to wrangle together clusters of articles that have related topics (books by an author, for me mostly: see examples at User:Sadads#Templates_I_have_started. Sadads (talk) 01:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the Municipalities, there is Municipalities of Yucatán If you just use either Abalá or Acanceh as a template, it goes pretty fast. Yucatán GOB Municipalities Almost all the data is in the link to the municipalities and is completely uncited on the Spanish Wiki, so I am just filling in the data and then linking the Spanish page in. On the Haciendas, there is a sort of project page on the talk for Talk:Haciendas of Yucatán. I try to remember to put my notes there, but sometimes I am asking questions on someone else's page. SusunW (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, watchlisting: I will keep an eye out for personalities (which I am better at writing). Also, I am really good at researching articles about books, if there is one that you find particularly notable. Sadads (talk) 12:55, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads: Well, I'm coming up with a whole list of characters, two architects, a count and those folks that own the largest ranch in Mexico. LOL. I prefer doing people too. Much more interesting to me. As for books, where did I find that reference, guy who wrote a dictionary? Finnish-Spanish, I think. Was it the first? IDK, but the reference fascinated me. SusunW (talk) 13:58, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Found the reference too. His name was Eino Parkkulainen see Patricia Ocampo if you are interested. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you are still interested in Wikipedia Library Sources, you would more than qualify (we are in the process of working with partners to make sure that the requirement for access is 6 months and 500 edits, which you more than qualify for now). Also, since you have been doing such a great job, and showed good sense of Wikipedia contribution, etc and background in academic source use, that I thought you might be a good candidate for becoming a coordinator for one of the sources. We would love to have you sign up at Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Coordinators/Signup.

Anyway, keep up the amazing work! Sadads (talk) 23:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the library lists, yes, I am still interested. Had a need for project Muse yesterday and thought I should sign up, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Not sure what being a coordinator entails, but if it requires being responsible for something, other than me, I probably will pass. I spent way too many years supervising and totally love the freedom of not being required to worry about anything other than my own stuff. SusunW (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We have plenty of WP:MUSE and WP:JSTOR accounts, so feel free to grab them (also WP:MIT or WP:HeinOnline may be of use). I am working on getting access to some Latin American newspaper databases as well, which I will make sure to notify you about. As for volunteer coordinators: there is no responsibility about other peoples activities: its just a matter of screening if people meet the requirements for a particular partnership and communicating their information to the publisher so that they can create accounts. It also requires being on hand (and notifying the paid team, when a Wikipedian makes a comment about the article that seems). Its at most a couple hours a week, when a partnership first starts, but drops down to 15-30 minutes a week after that. Sadads (talk) 01:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads: I have officially applied to Project Muse not the Sports page link above. LOL Would love access to Latin American newspaper databases. They seem to be hard to find and links go dead quickly. I am trying to remind myself to paste as many as possible into Wayback. I think that with my current schedule, I am leery of making any more commitments. That may change in the fall, but right now, I am "hip deep in alligators" (well maybe they are just iguanas). SusunW (talk) 01:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great: and LOL on the sports page, I am going to put a for template there, to make sure that if I do it again, it will be less off :PSadads (talk) 12:55, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on a piece about the Cuxtal Ecological Reserve. It contains 7 haciendas and the pueblos they are in 2 police commissary stations, 12 minor ruins and 6 cenotes. I haven't been able to find a map of the whole thing. But, I plotted the route on Google maps. Issue is, I don't know how to make that into a photo. And all the points aren't showing. They should be in order starting at the

1. Cuxtal Ecological Reserve on Calle 161 between Calle 50 ad Calle 50C
2. Hacienda Santa Cruz Palomeque
3. Dzununcán, Yucatán
4. Molas, Yucatán
5. Hacienda Dzoyaxché
6. Hacienda San Ignacio Tesip, within Tesip, Yucatán
7. Hacienda Xmatkuil
8. Hacienda San Pedro Chimay
9. Hacienda Haunxectaman, within Uxec Taman [5]
10. Hacienda San Antonio Tahdzibichén

If it can be properly plotted and tagged, can it be made into a map to use on Wikipedia, or do I have to find one? Anyone? [6] SusunW (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page stalkers to the rescue: we can't do Google Maps pictures because of the license, you could do it on Open Streetmap, but the better option would be the Graphics lab maps workshop. Typically requests get done within a few days to a week, if there is a basemap already available on Wikimedia Commons. You can also try the commons workshop, Sadads (talk) 23:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads: I knew I could count on someone to reply. I have no clue what open streetmap is. So, I will try the Graphics Lab. SusunW (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads: Thanks! fingers crossed that they can help. I looked for a possible base map on commons but only find a Mexico map and a Yucatan map, though there is a Yucatan map with Merida highlighted. Don't really need the whole state, or even the peninsula, but the good news is that I found photos for all of the haciendas in the reserve. Woot! SusunW (talk) 00:56, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, don't be discouraged. Sitush told me about Emereo the other day, so I think he just saw that and several of the other mirror sources and just assumed all of the content was inadequate and reverted without much further though. There's nothing wrong with it, except a couple of sources. I've left a paragraph in licensing and sourcing for those sources to avoid anyway. For films, try to look in google books and paste urls into here. I picked Mexican actresses as I knew you were interested in Mexico/Latin America and female biographies so don't leave all of the remainder to me! I doubt anybody here really knows much about the content they produce, that's the joy of researching! The problem with writing start class articles based on translations from Spanish wiki is that the content is usually unsourced or poorly sourced which can make it really difficult to produce a quality article with great sourcing. Generally I'd prefer to glean some major facts and the basics if unsourced and then research the article myself, but if you think the content is all decent then go for it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: I am very discouraged. Rudeness is untenable. The thing is, as I have said, I am well aware they are not sourced. I had marked a whole bunch of places as citation needed so that I could find sourcing. The claim that he didn't know I was working on it, is questionable, but unlike him, I give him the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely did not realize it. I need to walk away for a few hours at least. SusunW (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where was he rude though?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:08, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(watching) I guess we may improve communication. How about a sign on top {{construction}}? It could be placed on a stub soon, - avoiding that two project members pick the same one, both translate the whole thing, then end in an edit conflict. - We could leave a comment on top or in a section that search for sources will start. - We could translate in steps, only translate what we can source. I typically start with the lead, list of works, literature, external links, {{Authority control}} (always include that, picks up from Wikidata!) and cats. Then I can leave it for a while and can make it a DYK much later. We could think about a banner on the talk, saying something like: this article is a product of project itw, please be patient, sources will follow ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: Seriously? I made edits at 9:17, 10:42, 10:43, 10:57, 11:06, 11:49, 11:58. At 9:17 I posted the translation flag on the talk page. I had posted "citation needed" on things I was still working on. I typed an update, went to save it, and the entire piece was gone. The entirety of 6 hours work went away with nary a discussion, no assumption of good faith and what appeared to me to be snide commentary. No one owns the articles, we all (hopefully) are working on the assumption of improving the content. By helping each other we improve the articles. There was no intent to help with this action, whatsoever. Had there been desire to improve the sourcing, he could have added information, as you did. Had he wanted to educate me about the questionable sources, he could have communicated with me. None of that was done. It was an extremely aggressive action and one that appears to reflect ownership issues, IMO. He also gutted Blanch, in much the same manner and the comment was even more snide. "please stop citing unreliable sources and mirrors" does not rate politeness because he is using "please", but rather smacks of insinuation that we had had multiple conversations on the sourcing. I am still trying to learn this system, have very little knowledge of programming and have very little access to sourcing that is available in the US and elsewhere. I contribute because I enjoy it, but if it is not enjoyable, if we cannot respect each other, there is little reason to be involved in Wikipedia. SusunW (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: Going back through the edit history, I would have to say that the actions were a little bit shocking within good faith assumptions, especially for someone like SusunW who has been doing so much good work lately: reverting without much explanation was innappropriate. That being said @SusunW: fortunately and unfortunately, the ease of undoing something is taken for granted by very experienced editors, and we have a culture of undoing eachothers work when in a quick moving situation (and because its a Wiki, everything is still in the Help:Page history, so we can recover it if someone disagrees with the snap decision). Its part of the Be bold culture that sometimes becomes a little bit too bold and aggressive. I would recommend continuing to (kindly) call people out for pushing the acceptability of this functionality (see Wikipedia:Reverting). We need to encourage a change in culture that is more inclusive and gives more positive messages to less experienced editors (imagine if you had been a first time editor and reverted :P ) . At the same time, I would recommend trying not to think of it as a personal affront: its often hard to communicate effort put into edits, and its also hard to empathetically respond to other editors, when the other editor doesn't understand that effort. Also, be wary of the three reversion rule, if you decide to undo someones reversion of your own edits, Sadads (talk) 20:07, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I don't think anybody wants to have hours of work reverted. But it happened, we can't change it now, the content has been restored and still stands. Let's move on anyway. It identified a common source issue, if nothing else came of it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:10, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: can you please explain what authority control is and why one would use that? SusunW (talk) 19:27, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is a listing of relevant library numbers and catalogues related to a subject. When I started I had to ask people about the German numbers (now GND), and sometimes those had to ask for clarification and better assignment of a number first (people known under several names sometimes had several numbers ...) - nothing you have to worry about, you just include the template (before the cats) - and if Wikidata has something, it will appear miraculously at the bottom. Look at the poet translated today, Andreas Tscherning. Don't ask me what all these numbers mean. With the German one, you can go to another template, and miraculously all publications "by and about" the subject (which can be a composition etc) in the German National Library appear on a click. If it helps some people, why not? - This is my simple belief also about the infoboxes. I haven't been crucified for it, but have gained some understanding what "rude" may mean ;) - I can't add an infobox to this poet, because I didn't "create" him. This is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ps: Did you know that I made a DYK about encouragement once? ... that the song "Ermutigung" by Wolf Biermann, encouraging people not to become hardened in hard times, was written for Peter Huchel, then under house arrest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you. I will see if I can add the authority control. I totally appreciate your willingness to help and answer all of my questions. @Sadads: thank you for your understanding and support. I am not sure how you found me, but I appreciate your coaching and assistance. I could care less if someone changes an article, to improve content. You are absolutely correct that it was the way that it was done that was at issue. I would never revert an edit that was not blatantly vandalism. There is always a different approach that allows one to be kind. If there is no way to be respectful, then I will just walk away. Real life is much more important than anything that happens here. Just my two cents. SusunW (talk) 01:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know a person (here Sadads), ask the precious list ;) - tells you a lot about when and for what. (Wanted to give Precious to Sadads for the above post, because I believe that sort of personal communication is important, - finding out I just gave it in women's history month, - sorry about my memory.) - I also look at the list in search for encouragement sometimes, - more than 1000 people praised for something good, and no end in sight, - it's not difficult to find a new one every day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the dark side of "teh wiki" Susun!  :-P And @Dr. Blofeld:, be a little nicer next time? Susun is a very productive newbie, but she IS still a new user and one of the most promising I've seen! Montanabw^(talk) 07:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Susun is a very productive newbie, but she IS still a new user and one of the most promising I've seen!" Same applies to RO Montanabw. Oh the hypocrisy. Stop stalking RO and acting like a 7 year old school girl bully around her waiting to pounce on her edits and inviting others to criticize her work and I might just begin to listen to whatever injustice you think I did to Susun here. Keeping in mind I was the one who organized the topic choice to get Susun involved and I was the one who restored the reverted content and I was the one who said "don't be discouraged.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]