==False Articles==

"Please don't add nonsense and nonsense articles to the Wikipedia. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 06:01, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)"

I'm really sorry about this... I used to be UsagiTaro, but that account repeatedly got hacked by someone... I made this new account to try to get rid of that problem but apparently someone still likes to hack my account. I wish people would stop doing that and at least make their own account to add bogus information.

Regarding Wanwan's identity: see my comment on [[Wikipedia:Problem users]] -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 06:35, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)

You see I told you this. -[[User:Wanwan|Wanwan]]

== re flying squirrels and shags ==

Rick--

thanks for adding the Rocky and Bullwinkle reference to the [[flying squirrel]] page I have initiated. I've reformatted it slightly since - is that ok with you?

Also I have added yet more meanings for that protean word [[Shag]].

--Stephen Lea

(an Englishman temporarily in Northern California, sharing your predeliction for complete sentences and accurate facts).

Rick--

now got round to logging myself in...

--Stephen

==Edit wars==

I know. Perhaps you should reprotect it but there's no hope in an edit war between Wik and Lir and it seems pointless to keep it protected. It seems very hard to get Wik to stop reverting once he's got the idea into his head. I've had the same problem with him recently myself. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 08:43, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

Well I agreed with Wik about the excessive linking but he still accused me of being biased. I'm not sure protecting it will help if he will just revert the minute he gets the chance. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 08:48, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

==Talk pages==

Regarding the talk page message thing - are you using a proxy? This might be affecting it. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 08:52, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

:I'm not sure how to explain it. [[Proxy server]] isn't very useful either. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 09:04, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

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I noticed that you moved [[Kiev]] to it's most common name. Shouldn't the same be done for [[Mumbai]] (Bombay), [[Kolkata]] (Calcutta), and [[Chornobyl]] (Chernobyl). [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]] 03:14, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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I'll do what I please to ensure conformity with the guidelines on city names, which stipulates using the modern form if it has caught on in English. However, since you insist on being so obsessed with preserving the old name and not making the article conform to other examples, this issue will have to be resolved on the mailing list.

By the way, I'm not Ukrainian, and while I have visited there I have little interest in the land or its people. My concern is ensuring optimal conformity in Wikipedia so that it is a more usuable resource. [[User:Kricxjo|Kricxjo]] 03:29, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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I've unblocked [[User:216.68.43.85|216.68.43.85]] as I'm not convinced the blanking of VfD was deliberate. This has happened to other people on large pages and appears to be a browser issue. Judging from the edits to [[List of comedies]] from this IP and to [[Family Matters (television)]] from a similar IP, this user does not appear to have shown any other signs of vandalism. It is possible this was accidental. If he continues to do this to VfD without explanation then do block him again, but I think blocking him so soon after Adam left him a message on his talk page may have been too soon. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 03:42, Nov 4, 2003 (UTC)

If it happens then fair enough as he will have had time to read his talk page by then. Browser issues do cause complete blanking, not just truncation. See [[User:BL|BL]]'s talk page for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:BL&diff=1479624&oldid=1479511]. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 03:49, Nov 4, 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, it appears I was wrong. I was assuming too much good faith! I got [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] to look in the [[User:216.68.43.85|216.68.43.85]] issue. It seems highly unlikely the blanking was accidental. After he blanked it, he went to the history, and refreshed the page every few seconds until someone reverted it. Then immediately after you blocked him he tried to revert the page to an earlier version, but the obviously that edit was blocked. He then read some pages and left at 3.47, which was after I unblocked him. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 04:21, Nov 4, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for continuing to defend VfD on the mailing list. I wouldn't be too worried about it though. I can't see anyone seriously agreeing to a complete ban on deletions. I don't really see why people have such an issue with VfD, but then I also don't understand why people are defending things like [[Special:Contributions/Vernon_Nero_De_Stafford|this]]! You might be better off deleting them outright. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 11:49, Nov 8, 2003 (UTC)

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Hmm, you may take this as me being a bossy-boots, but it's not intended that way. Ahh well.

I unprotected [[User:RickK]] - assuming accidental/old vandal/etc. If deliberate, please re-protect and drop a quick line of explanation on [[wikipedia:protected page]] and/or on the page itself. Thanks. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 18:09, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

: I don't know why you feel the status of my User page is of any concern to you, and why you feel it should be unprotected, since no one but the User is supposed to make any changes to User pages. I have reprotected my User page and hope that you will keep your hands off of it, please. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 19:34, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Ahh, and you also dropped a line on [[wikipedia:protected page]]. Thanks, that's all I was asking for, at least for now. By all means delete this thread now this is resolved. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 20:12, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

== Worthless? ==

Btw, I can't see anyone calling you worthless on the mailing list. Perhaps you could link to a specific mailing list post? Or is this just the general impression you're getting? [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 20:19, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:Well, there's [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-November/008279.html this] and [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-November/008231.html this]. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 20:25, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Well, the second post (by Lir) is simply saying that writing articles is ''more'' useful than listing articles on VfD, which is obviously his opinion. However, Lir does not state that he believes that listing articles on VfD is ''worthless'', only that it is ''less useful''. In any case, as you make ''many'' contributions to Wikipedia on pages other than VfD, I don't think you can extrapolate from Lir's criticism of some of your (and lots of other people's) edits to VfD into a belief that your contribution to Wikipedia is worthless.

The first post, by Eclecticology, is just his agreement with Lir - again, hardly a statement that your entire Wikipedia history is worthless. Also, he's interpreted your questions "Am I not worth keeping around? Should I go away?" as rhetorical questions - questions where the answer is obvious and universally agreed, asked for rhetorical effect rather than because of any uncertainty or dispute. The implication is that he thinks you should stay, and he doesn't think that his and Lir's criticism of your edits bring that into question at all.

For the record, I don't think that you're worthless either. I do think that you occasionally shoot yourself in the foot, but a handful of such incidents doesn't add up to a desire to see you leave. On the other hand, I wouldn't want you, or anyone else, to stay here if you're unhappy. However, [[MeatBall:AssumeGoodFaith|Assume good faith]]! If people want you to leave, they'll say so directly - just as we say so directly to vandals and trolls. Since people aren't saying that to you, chances are very good that they don't want you to leave. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 20:55, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Likewise, I don't see your contributions as worthless, but it looks like you may be falling into the trap of feeling that WP is going down the tubes and you have to save it by personal effort. Very easy to get burned out that way, and it's caught a number of former contributors. Personally, I see lots of badness every day, far more than I could possibly fix. Instead, I have to trust that the committed editors will eventually find and clear out junk, and from time to time will come up with new policies and protocols that are more efficient than the old ones. VfD for instance wasn't mentioned on the stone tablets establishing WP :-) ; maybe 10 years from now we'll be using it still, maybe we'll have a completely different kind of process. [[User:Stan Shebs|Stan]] 21:03, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

==[[Pinto bean]]==

I have removed the VfD listing for this article, as it has been stubbified. Cheers, [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 16:28, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

You wrote: "Restoring Pinto bean. Then delete the VfD notice from the article." I was just getting to it. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Pinto_bean&action=history hist]). -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 16:30, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

==stuff==

03:14, 11 Nov 2003 RickK deleted "Blink-182 (album)" (content was: '1. Feeling This2. Obvious3. I Miss You4. Violence5. Stockholm Syndrome6. Down7. The Fallen Interlude8. Go9. Asthenia10. Always11. ...')

Ummm, why would you delete that, it was about the album so someone added the tracks, just like it is for all of many other albums.

How did you get your user page to be protected. People keep changing mine

And that dynamic TOC

None of the album articles consist of nothing but unformatted track listings. Items about when the album came out and something more than bald titles is needed. To protect your user page, you need to be an administrator. The dynamic TOC occurs when you add more than two headers to a page. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:27, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to want to ever do that for me. My talk page has 2 and it has none. Oh well.

You should make it so that only that person can edit their own lookup

I didnt blank the page. I accidently screwed the page up in an edit conflict, and then I reverted it, after someone reverted my edit, which made it look that i was reverting reverts. I would appreciate if you commented that you made a mistake. You can see this was the case if you look at the page history [[User:Alexandros|Alexandros]] 04:23, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think the article history speaks for itself. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:26, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

*Yes it does.[[User:Alexandros|Alexandros]]

Copyright violations

Please don't upload and post copyrighted images. The article that you linked to on Sarah Hale specifically says that the image is copyrighted. It's no more acceptable to put copyrighted images on Wikipedia pages than it is to cut and past copyrighted text. RickK 22:28, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:Claiming copyright does not mean that the image is copyrighted. A 19th century photograph is certainly in the public domain.[[User:Alexandros|Alexandros]] 22:37, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

::I've reverted your removal of the photo and commented at [[Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements]]. Although the text on that site is copyrighted, the picture appears to be public domain. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 22:43, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It doesn't say ''that'' image is copyrighted. It said it has used images with permission. I'm going to e-mail the site and see what they say, but I don't think it's an issue. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 22:54, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:Ok, I'll let you contact them instead. Thanks for taking it on. Thanks also for answering random questions in the middle of my talk page. :) [[User:Angela|Angela]]

== [[Number in the world]] ==

Sorry I can't well explain en anglish, but the page [[Number in the world]] is not a translation page, but just a way to show a sample of language and writing around the world. In french Wikipedia we create 2 pages on this kind. 1 for numbers and 1 for the more commun word in the world "hello" to show numerical and words wrinting around the world. Hope you will remove it from [to delete] page :o) [[User:Aoineko|Aoineko]]

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You may want to add your voice to: [[Wikipedia talk:Don't include copies of primary sources]] --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 07:15, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Just so's you know, when you deleted [[Demagogue]] (content "yeah it's messed"), you didn't spot the history by Anome. It happens *shrug* [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 19:53, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I wonder how I missed that. All I can say is that it was late, but that's no excuse. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 20:00, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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I'd actually rather not; there's been quite a bit of good work in there the past few days aside from the name thing, which is easily fixable with a search-and-replace at any rate. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]] 07:22, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:Oh well Angela's done it. It's fine by me. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]] 07:23, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, i just noticed your post to the mailing list [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-November/008483.html]. This has already been done, as I reported on [[Wikipedia:Problem users|Problem users]], NightCrawler's IP is from the same regional centre of an ISP as one DW is reported as having used. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 07:47, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:Color me unsurprised. BTW, I still haven't heard anything on the Sarah Hale picture. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 14:33, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Just a heads-up, [[User:Chris Jones]] is now blocked. Same MO as [[User:Joe Canuck]]/[[User:Sue Michael Canuck]] (that's one of the things about these vandals, they're so bloody unimaginative *grin*). - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]] 00:25, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Thanks for the quick action on 203.206.145.218! -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ Брайен ]] 04:15, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Why do you introduce German names of Polish cities ?? Cannot you accept even billingual names?? How would you feel if your personal name was changes by the agressors and ocupants??

As this is matter of honour you give me no choice - I will have to correct all Polish cities to Polish names (except Warsaw and Cracow which are common English equivalents). [[User:caius2ga|caius2ga]] 05:06, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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In response to your complaints about the year in Canada articles. While the shorter ones are not of much use, with expansion I do think the timeline will eventually be a useful tool. An example of this is [[1998 in Canada]], which contains far too much information for the basic [[1998]] article. I also hope that the same is done for many other countries, especially the United States (in part so that the date pages can cease being 2/3rds American events). [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 07:19, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)

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==The names!==

RickK, you are violating Wikipedia rules with names. Rule is that English name used in period in hitory should be used. Yet you are using XIX century German names for XV century (e.g. Danzig instead of Dantzk or Gedanum).

And seriously:

*[[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(city_names)]]

'''Convention: In general, there are no special naming conventions for cities, unless multiple cities with the same name exist. '''

*[[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English)]]

'''Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form. '''

'''If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article (as you would find it in other encyclopedias)'''

E.g. www.britannica.com

'''One should use judgment in such cases as to what would be the least surprising to a user finding the article.'''

So where did you find your rule? And even if such rule exists, you violated it. Gdansk was not known by English in XV century as "Danzig". It rather was "Dantzk" "Dantzigk" "Gyddanzyc" etc. But you are isntead used names accepted in XIX century. If using historical names from XIX century, why not names from XX century, i wonder?![[user:szopen|szopen]]