Hey Biz kids, i'm happy to welcome you to my talk page. I only have a few rules to make it easy for your message to get across to me. Keep in mind, some of them are because i use a screen reader.

• Please don't use too much visual things, jaws only says "immage.", so you don't have to worry about that.
• Please do not use computer speek, i can't understand all the abreviations, i can only understand I.E. or lol.
• Please, oh please do not harp at me about my spelling and grammar, as that is my week point, however, there is one exception:
  • If it is someone's name, i.e. Catherine in stead of Katherine, or something along that line, then you may correct my spelling. You can correct other spelling or grammar mistakes yourself if you like.
• Please bare with me if i don't seem to understand something. I'm just getting the hang of things here.

Thanks for your kind words, and feel welcome here. Hello to you know who by the way. 04:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

Hello, Nissae Isen's Man! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already excited about Wikipedia, you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! Mlpearc powwow 16:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply] Getting Started The five pillars of Wikipedia • Tutorial • Your first article How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Maintenance • Peer review • Requested articles Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Now i may have voice questions, feel free to answer them in this section, just make them heading level 3s by putting 3 equals signs on either side of the title. 22:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

That is all Nissae Isen's Man (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at List of villains in Codename: Kids Next Door, you may be blocked from editing. Cresix (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Assume good faith" does not mean tolerating vandalism and intentionally adding incorrect information to articles. Go ahead and report me. It will only result in a block for you, not me. I have all the evidence I need: repeatedly adding unsourced information, flaunting Wikipedia policies by stating that you will continue to do so, and now intentionally adding incorrect information to articles here and here. Furthemore, if you restore the incorrect information in either of these instances without citing a reliable source, I will immediately make a report at WP:AIV. Cresix (talk) 03:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source you indicate does not confirm the information. Again, restore the information without a proper source and you will be blocked. Cresix (talk) 03:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I give commet tuttle full credit for these, hope you don't mind ct. Wikipedia:Editor assistance to get informal help or counseling from another editor. Then we have the page Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts which is intended to help with disputes. Then in more extreme cases there is the page Wikipedia:AN/I which is the administrator's noticeboard for disputes that require the intervention of an administrator. Comet Tuttle (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nissae Isen's Man and welcome. I'm glad you got your account request through, I checked once or twice early on but then forgot about it until I noticed your name pop up somewhere. I was sad to see you're getting yourself into trouble again though. As I said elsewhere, some of the problems with your IP editing are behind you now - but now we have to focus on your future as a registered editor and it's true that you will have to work very hard to understand all our rules and policies and the right way to add information - all the things every single editor here has to learn. The way you've used this account so far looks to me like it is going to get blocked if you don't change some things. I've looked over your edits and here are some notes:

• First of all, no-one here doesn't like or is "against" vision-impaired, or any other sort of disabled editors or users of the encyclopedia. We take it very seriously, and you can read our guideline at WP:ACCESS. No-one has ignored you when you say that you aren't able to see the screen.I know at least two vision-impaired editors here and have noticed others who just casually mention they are blind, so I know they are able to edit here. You seem to have a particular problem with your screen reader that other editors don't have, and I think you need to get it fixed on your end. Do you have a local support organization who can send someone to help set up your system?
• Next, talk pages. User talk pages are used for communication, and it is expected that the communication will be civil and directed to working together on improving the encyclopedie. People shouldn't be threatening you on your talk page for things you haven't done, but at the same time you better not be threatening them too. If you make comments again like you did to CutOffTies and Cresix, I will block you from editing. That's completely unacceptable, so please stop doing it. Remember that if you threaten to report someone, you might get the attention of an admin who will look into the whole situation. Another thing to remember going forward is that it is OK to remove notices and warnings from your own talk page once you have read them, you don't need to explain why, we all just assume that you have read and understood the message. The only things you can't remove are declined unblock requests and other editor comments within a thread where removing it changes the meaning of the thread.
• Most important and above all are our articles:
  • If you make an article edit and it gets reverted, stop editing the article and go to the talk page. The burden is on you to prove the information belongs there. You have to provide a good source or explain some other way why your edit should stay. Changing back to your own version of the article without providing a source is unacceptable too, and if you keep doing it I will block you from editing. You can read WP:BURDEN and WP:WAR to learn more about this, and WP:BRD for the right way to do it.
  • Catherine Thompson seems to be entirely non-notable and you are putting that name in various places with no good reason. I watched the video link you supplied (which is almost certainly a copyright violation, so it can't be used as a reference for the article) and I didn't see the name. You say your neighbour told you it was true, I disagree. It looks to me as though all the C.T. mentions you and your IP address inserted will have to go, until you can supply a reliable source. (Read at WP:RS)
  • Alexis Jordan, same thing with reverting to put back your own version while demanding that someone else show the proof it's wrong, plus another policy you need to learn, WP:BLP. For living persons, we don't add material to their articles unless we can show that some other independent source confirms it. We don't say it because we "know it's true", we say it because someone else reliable has said it and we (the editors working together) decide it is important to show here. Most actors and artists will have a site where they list every piece of work they've done, and other sources discussing their work also, so I don't understand why you can't provide sources. That is how we decide what to include. I reverted one of your edits myself [1] since I couldn't see any basis for it.
• Separate from the above, I've looked again at the username you chose and although I thought it might be alright at the time [2], having looked again I believe now that you should choose a different name which doesn't mention another living person. I'm going to mention this at the appropriate noticeboard (WP:UAA) for comments. Maybe it is OK, but just in case, start thinking of another username you might like. [Update: UAA notice here Franamax]

Sorry for the length of this, but there were a lot of issues to cover. You really need to make an effort to learn what is required here, I hope you can do it. Especially when it comes to our articles, things can't go on as they have. Please read this over a few times before you respond and think it over. I'd prefer we keep the discussion here and I will be watching this page when I'm online, so don't worry that I might be missing your comments. Regards. Franamax (talk) 08:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about observation sources, i.e. Catherine Thompson on Biz Kid$, who does Capitalest Peg, Biz witch, and hosts the Biz Kids Biz quiz. She does various roles on the Majic Schoolbus, and i woulden't rely on IMDB so much, there is a lot of info missing from it that needs to be known. If it is not catherine thompson, you guys need to tell me. This time, not my friend, but my aunt read the credits of biz kid$ (i got her to read it 9 times over), and Catherine's name shows up. If she is only notable for biz kids, would it be rellavent though to say that she does minor roles in Kids Next Door, Majic Schoolbus, and the other shows i mention? I mean, "Meow, Meow" is a minor role in kids next door. I know Biz Kid$ is not the only other show, My aunt saw her name as Earth and a few other roles on the Zula Patrol. That's all not pov but observations, right? just want to make sure. Nissae Isen's Man (talk) 13:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And Nissae Isen (yes, Thee nissae isen) is someone i miss, so i named the account "Nissae Isen's Man" for her to show her i still care. Caring is a good component of good editors right? just checking remember. Nissae Isen's Man (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Comet Egypt. You have new messages at Deor's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

december 2010

I received your message -- twice -- and read it -- twice. There is no need to place the same message more than once. If I remove it, that means I received it and read it. Thank you. Cresix (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To link an external website, type a left bracket, then the website address, then a right bracket. If you wish to show a descriptive title, add one space after the website address, then type the title before the right bracket. Here is the English Wikipedia main page linked that way English Wikipedia. Cresix (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much cresix. N.I.M. (talk) 00:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message, but I'm not really interested in watching a bunch of Kim Possible in the hope of identifying an audio effect. Best of luck though. - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• This is a continuation of the discussion on the Wikipedia Ref Desk/Entertainment.

1. If you see something in a Wikipedia article that does not have a proper citation, and you doubt it, then the {{fact}} tag is your friend. If you add {{fact}}> with the two curly braces next to the word, then the words "citation needed" appear when anyone reads the article. This may shame the author to add a citation, or another editor may find and add a citation; or, if the "fact" tag has been on there long enough, some editor may decide to delete the doubtful piece of information. 2. IMDB is not a very reliable source, it is true. Here's an idea: A reliable source might be to actually write to the production company, or possibly PBS, and ask for a "press kit" that includes information about all the show's actors, including guest stars and minor characters. You could then include citations that cite the press kit. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you must sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you did not point directly to your userpage and talkpage, but you used an URL. Fix that and Sinebot won't harass you about signing. Jarkeld (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cuddlyable3 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They may need or want to talk to someone who can make them laugh, so the link is there for me. s

Rationale

Wikipedia needs comunication, and i believe in spreading good feelings. do not take anything as wrong, I am an aspiring commedian and movie writer. I believe in making wikipedians feel happy to edit wikipedia, even when they get block warnings. Hey, you may have to stop doing something, but that doesn't mean you can't feel good at the same time. god bless you, N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line 09:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You might be interested in using the various templates for that sort of thing, NIM. The one I've placed below is the {{Smile}} template, there's also eg. {{Lollipop}} and many more like it... WikiDao ☯ 16:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC) (Template removed -- sorry, forget your screen reader doesn't like images/templates! WikiDao ☯ 16:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Hey no problom man, N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. please 11:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note to say that the addition to your signature, "Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line", leads directly to the page that allows people to edit your contributions list. I don't think you intended to do that, as I don't know why anyone would wnat to edit this list but I would change it if I were you as it may be a temptation to vandals. Britmax (talk) 15:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 18:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a contributions list, you made an actual Wikipedia article. If you want to change your signature you can do it in your Preferences. Adam Bishop (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, i mean i did it, signature changed, that's all. don't worry, oh, and the Go behind the line is inspired by one of my old time friends, <xx>. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 22:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thread moved from my Talk page. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey CA, i want to congratulate you for being the number one person to provide references, great job! happy new year, N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line 09:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC) I also used your name in a joke, i chose a name out of 28 choices at random. If you like, you may remove the joke from sinebot's talk page. I also am trying to make you smile, i believe in making people feel good. Don't let the block get you down. If you want to ask a question at the reference desk while you are blocked, i'll put your talk page on my watch list and remember that it is the 28th on there. Regards, your wiki friend N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line 09:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you N.I.M. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problom, I always like making users feel good and or laugh. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line 18:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi N.I.M., I've just removed and revision-deleted a post you made at the Reference Desk talk page. Please don't ever mention a real-life person by name, at least one who does not have an encyclopedia article about them. You claimed to have "permission" to say her name; well fine, but then we have ways to assure that an actual person really wants their name brought up, through WP:OTRS. Other than that, please don't do it again or try to restore the name. Make your thoughts known without naming real-life names please. Franamax (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I showed her this, and she says "Well, tell him that I say it's okay, and if they don't like it, they are going to hear about it. I gave you the line, and if Inna has a problom with it, fine, then she can leave you a message on your talk page, otherwise, they have no reason to complain. If they try to then you can give them my message, wait, i'll tell them my damn self. I gave you that line, end of storry." Sorry about "damn", that's just what she said. can you at least summarize my message? if they have more questions i'll be happy to answer it. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 06:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wikipedia, This user has given me his permission to use his computer to post this message. I hope you try to understand it.

I understand you have a policy against using someone’s real name, however, if you are going to make a policy like that, you have to consider that there is the possibility that a certain someone, like me could give a user like NIM permission to say my name on the sight. I’m upset that your policy disregards the fact that I gave permission to use my name in the sight. This is not something to be messing around with; you can’t just assume that he’s making stuff up. This is an encyclopaedia, not a list of people bossing a user around, and I think that your policy needs to be changed slightly to something like this: “If someone gives their consent to use their name in a discussion, then a user may use the name.” I don’t really know your sight nor do I have time to read your policies, I’d be here all night, and I want to let NIM use his computer. I need a good reason why I cannot be credited for the line “Elena apostoleanu go behind the line.” I told NIM that if Inna has any problems with that, to stop using it, otherwise, continue using the line as part of a signature. We both watch comedy shows, so we generally like to be funny. I hope you understand my reason for disagreeing with your policy, sincerely, <xx>, January 8, 2011 at 1:12 am, goodnight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.104.172 (talk) 07:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• N.I.M. a message posted anonymously on your own computer means absolutely nothing. If someone wants their name used here then they can use their own computer to create an account, verify their identity through our WP:OTRS system, and then make it known. Until then, it is not for you to assert you have "permission". This applies to both the name of the editor above (who seems to make the same type of spelling error as you do yourself) and to the name used in your signature. If that is also the name of a private living person, stop using it too. This is not least for your own protection, you are giving out enough information that I can show up outside your door. Franamax (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You sure? I mean, it's not like you are one of those people from Reno 911 who come and arrest people for no reason. She said that she doesn't know about this sight, and for the record, she doesn't have her "own computer", so even if she wanted to she can't do that. I'm sure that you have no clue who i am so how are you supposed to show up at my dore or even know my name? If i said "My name is such and such" then you'd know to look for such and such, otherwise, anyone can say they're Nissae Isen's Man for the hell of it. Cuddlyable 3 wanted to know why i use that line at the end of my message, i told him but you said i coulden't use <x> first name, can i at least call her <xx> here? N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 18:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, you can't. You don't have to anyway, what she told you to do on Wikipedia is not relevant. Don't use the names of private living individuals unless they have identified themselves through WP:OTRS. Period. Franamax (talk) 19:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At least i'm not using her full name, <xx> is better then x>>> <xx>, right? remember, sinse you deleted the post, noone knows about her. She says that you're taking it seriously, but that's just her take on it. I understand but keep in mind she's not familiar with your guidelines. She's not saying they're stupid, she's saying "I said he can use my name.", and i have told her that you all say not to. She says to at least let me refer to her as <xx>, this way Cuddlyable 3 isn't wondering "Who what when where why?" N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 19:55, 9 January 2011 (UTC) I also hear that she wants you to not mess with her message, she feels you are just being rude, don't know why. Remember, she's not really familiar with this stuff, so you should excuse her ignorence. I changed it from Redacted, which i have no clue what it means, to <xx>, (no that's not her full name), and if that's against pollicy, i'm affraid any more messages from me will probibly come from her words. I can't make any judgements on this except for that i see why you object to her full name being use. I can't see why you object to just her last name with a MRS. or MS in front of it. I could be refering to any <xx> in the world that's a married female. Think about that before bleaping her name out. I don't agree with some of her posts, but why i insist on saying <xx>, is because the name is common and there i'm sure are many <xx>s in yourarea, both male and female. It is vague enough that noone knows who she is, only her last name and that she's married, other then that, nothing else, except she gave me that line. Maybe you are a <xx>, maybe you're not. Regardless, it would be like if i refered to afriend by a name, let's say their full name was Anne Jones, i could either say Ann said or Ms. Jones said (name is ficticious), but i'm not saying Ann Jones said. Same thing with <xx>. If you'd rather me say Mrs. H then just let me know, How can i refer to her without being vague to the point of absolute confusion? I don't believe in confusing the hell out of people because it is a wrong thing to do, and a vary bad way of communication. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 20:00, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're sure that Annika hasn't been using your computer again, aren't you? I think that a few editors with longer memories than you thought would be quite annoyed if you had. Britmax (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. H is much better. Do not use private individual's actual names in the future. I think that should close the topic. --Leivick (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, and again, what does redacted mean, and like i said, George is no longer allowed to use my computer. Britmax, a short explaination for you here. Those edits refering to this what's it Annika person. My friend George (that's not his real name, but i'm calling him that) decided that he'd use my computer. He told me he was going online to play a game and see his point status or something, but after I checked his history in september, I realized that he was going on wikipedia, and got my IP blocked. I thought he was just messing around, which it turned out he was in the wrong way. I realized he was causing mischief and tricked him into teaching me how to use Wikipedia. After that, I started editing in september, and ordered him to put an end to this "Annika BS" He put a message saying that Annika is no and boyd. He didn't stop there though, in october he did a few edits, and in the beginning of November. I created an account around nov 15, and told George's parents that he is no longer allowed on my computer because of what he was doing, and his parents agreed and ordered him to never touch my computer again, and if he wants to do a game, he can mess around with someone else. The character of Annika comes from a novel we read when we were in english a few years ago. Cutoff ties has tried in every way to contradict him, but as i told him, it is true, no two ways about it. There, cleared up, done. Don't judge me by what George did with the IP, I now have a named account, and judgements by the named account can be made. If anyone contridicts this truth, they will be taken to An/i immediately. If anyone has another suggestion on what to do with users who contradict the truth, let me know and i'll report there instead. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 22:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From Wiktionary:

English

Redact

Adjective

1. Edited or censored.

   The government released the redacted document, so most of it was blacked out as secret.

Verb redacted

So there you are. Britmax (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks franamax, N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Go behind the line. 22:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC) You two britmax. N.I.M. miss you. Go behind the line. 12:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I moved this thread from my talk page. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The message was givven to me by a close friend and former T.A. of mine, who often liked to be funny. A thing i used to do was at bussline, i'd wait in front of the pink line by the road, and <xx> would do a Trudy Wiegel inpression saying "Hey, uh, yeah, can you, uh, oh, go behind the line?" So later, I told her that I was trying to create a new signature, and she asked me a list of my favorite singers. I coulden't choose a dj, it had to be someone who actualy sings, and i was choosing between

• Kerri Kenney
• Inna
• Anna Burardi
• Katherine Ellis
• Barbra Tucker
• and Annie Lennox.

Inna was chosen, so, now, that signature was born! <xx> said that if Inna leaves me a message on my talk page asking me to stop, then stop. "Only stop if it is Inna, no matter what." I can't judge why she said that, but probibly because that's Inna's real name, she means that if Inna has a problom with it, then she can tell me, if not, continue. There, hope that cleared it up, any questions, just ask me and i'll be happy to answer, best regards, N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 07:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia will not wait until a living person tells you to stop. The reason is that the foundation is very careful not to allow anyone to break the WP:BLP rules. That is because the whole Wikipedia project, meaning the millions of article that we have been working on for years, could be brought down by just one lawyer trying to sue us for something a person objected to. It doesn't matter what <xx> or even Ms. Apostoleanu actually think about it. Nobody is allowed here to attach a personal message in their name and I know for certain that if I did it, I would get blocked or banned. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People do put messages like what baceball bugs and other such users put at the bottom of their signatures, and i don't see anyone complaining about them, so i don't see why you need the background on the line. Inna doesn't even know about it, so how can she send her agent after. She doesn't know, yepper. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 23:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure that nobody cares to hear about the background to the personal message that you keep sending with your signature. It is unecessary and annoying to see that added to your every post. People are telling you that it is a serious matter for Wikipedia that you stop now. I see you defending yourself with strawman claims such as the one about BaseballBugs (who is not allowed to break Wikipedia policies), and what you think you can get away with behind the singer's back. Just as singers have to be protected from over-obsessive fans, Wikipedia has to be protected from a person who blindly pursues their own agenda. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 22:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously you have a problom with excessive pranking. Don't say you don't have a problom with excessive pranking because you do have a problom with excessive pranking. How do i know you have a problom with excessive pranking? Judging by your comments, You think the singer can somehow find out, and you're saying it is against wikipedia pollicy gives me a reason to tell you that you have a problom with excessive pranking. I dare you to send inna after me, then that will confirm that you have a problom with excessive pranking. Stop with all this excessive pranking, or the excessive pranking will turn on to th e one with the problom with excessive pranking. N.I.M. I miss you nissae! Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line. 22:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me like most of my biz kid$ questions have remained unanswered, despite the fact that i have told people that if they get it in their area, to please watch it. I even said a few times that if they would like, i could give them some channels I know of that shows Biz Kid$ That's the best i can do to help. And for the Catherine Thompson part of it, people are still doubting me, but like Commet Tuttle mentioned on my talk page (thanks C.T.), IMDB is not a varry reliable source. Just because IMDB doesn't say that Catherine Thompson is on biz kid$, it doesn't mean it is true. Just look at the credits, and i have said many times, if my aunt is reading it wrong for the voice of Capitalest Peg, Biz kids biz quiz and her other credits, then tell me the name of this person. It is important to note that i am not trying to accuse anyone at all of being rude, or telling me that i'm lying or making it up, i'm just saying. I realize that you guys want sources, but some times observation is the source. I.E. if someone notices a character's voice is supposed to parrity something, like the person wrote in the attomic betty characters article that Prinsaple Peterson has a voice like Don Charry, that's an observation. The same with Catherine Thompson. My aunt read the name at the end of the credits in a few biz kid$ episodes. I'll be happy to answer any questions you all have about this, and if you need showtimes for PBS Spokane or PBS detroit (that's the only pbs stations i get it on), and or whereelse to watch it, i'll do my best to help you there. Don't expect perfection though. Thanks, and sorry about the ramble. N.I.M. (talk) 05:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC) P.S.: don't delete the catherine thing, if you guys find that it is someone else, just let me know and i'll be willing to correct the name of the person. (no marketing going on, i prommis, just trying to do some confirmations here about biz kid$)[reply]

Please consider that the reference desk is staffed by volunteers, who may not share you interest in biz kid$. Expecting people to watch something they aren't interested in to answer your questions for free is a little extreme. If you are willing to pay people enough, you could probably find someone to do so, but if not, it's usually best not to complain when people don't answer your questions for free. If this is something to do with article disputes then this is the wrong place although again remember the vast majority of people here are not being paid to edit and may not feel something is important enough to spend their time to find out (or may not have enough time even if they do). Do note wikipedia doesn't really accept 'observations' as a source in articles. I believe you've checked out some other websites, may I suggest you seek people who are interested in biz kid$ to help you? If you need help getting an account in some other website you may be able to get someone here to help you. (Similarly you may find some wikia or other project has laxer standards and greater interest in voice actors for TV show episodes.) Nil Einne (talk) 12:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link me to someone who is interested in biz kid$ please? I need to find this out because i am interested not in pay, but in making the article right. My aunt read the credits for today's episode and she still sees "Catherine Thompson". Any place i can go to ask someone who is interested in biz kid$ or who knows all the voice actors in the show? I have an e-mail so i can just e-mail them when needed. N.I.M. (talk) 02:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

N.I.M., I watched a clip you linked awhile ago and I did not see "Catherine Thompson" in the credits. There was a fast wipe over tha voice actors, but I see no way your aunt could have stop-motioned that clip better than I did. Do you have a better clip? You need better authority than your aunt. Franamax (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NIM, I would suggest contacting the show's producers (who might be found at the bizkids website), or anyone at your local PBS member-station would probably be happy to help, too. But it sounds like we just don't know the answers to your questions about that show here, so you will have to try to track down that information somewhere else. Good luck! WikiDao ☯ (talk) 03:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and frannamax, that was a clip of a different show that catherine was in. My aunt didn't read the kids next door one but she read biz kid$. just to clear it up. N.I.M. (talk) 05:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you're correct. You said the KND bit was confirmed by your neighbour. For BK$ you are saying it is your aunt. Unfortunately, neither meets our standard as confirmation of a reliable source. If you can link to a video clip, please do so (email it please if it may be a copyvio, I can personally review it as a fair-use exemption to copyright law). We need hard confirmation of the credits, then everything should be fine. Until then it is unconfirmed speculation. Franamax (talk) 06:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, i just made a post on the biz kid$ website, and i'll get back to you if they reply to it. thanks. N.I.M. (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool, but you don't really need to keep us all in the loop. The subtext you seem to have missed in all the replies you've ever gotten (or not gotten) is that nobody else here is obsessed with this show. If you get a reply that satisfies your own curiosity then that's great, but an email from the show's PR department or whatever still can't be used in an article because it runs afoul of our rules against original research. Likewise, Catherine Thompson almost certainly doesn't meet Wikipedia's definition of notable because she hasn't had many roles to her credit and has had nothing significant written about her in reliable sources. In short, it's extremely unlikely than anyone is going to write an article about her and if they did, it's extremely unlikely that any such article would survive a deletion discussion. Your continued and constant barrage of posts about this show are starting to strain people's natural desire to help you and are pushing the bounds of what's acceptable on the reference desks. To be completely frank, and to echo a recommendation you've gotten earlier in this thread and elsewhere, please take your posts elsewhere. There is a forum about the show here; it's not active yet, but perhaps things will pick up once you get thing started. If that doesn't work out, you could try making a group on Facebook about the show or even start you own discussion forum from scratch. If you need more pointers on that last item, someone at the Computing RefDesk might be able to help you find a good place to start. Matt Deres (talk) 15:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I thought there may be a biz kid$ wikia but from an earlier search I didn't find anything, nor any particular active forum or whatever perhaps partially because the target audience of the show isn't always that active in such areas. However if you do prefer some sort of wiki there's no reason I know of that you can't start a biz kid$ wikia (or some other wiki host if you want). As Matt, me and others have said, if you need help setting this up this is something you can probably get help with here (but remember to have a little patience) Nil Einne (talk) 22:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason i did all those posts about Catherine is because I have gotten messages that in some way state that the author doesn't believe me. I'm not obsessing, i just want all the info to be right, because i don't believe in misleading people. I'm going to try the links as sune as i can when my connection is better. and thanks for the links. I'll try those ideas out asap. In the mean time, what should i do if i get future messages about people not believing me? N.I.M. (talk) 22:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC) (no annoyance intended)[reply]

The article Biz Kid$ has a discussion page here that N.I.M. should continue to use and watch. This page is for discussion of the Reference Desks only. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. In my opinion, your username is completely unacceptable, unless you provide proof from the person concerned that you have permission to use their name in this manner.

In the current discussion at WP:ANI, there seems to be a growing concensus that you should be indefinitely blocked, because of the username issue and for other reasons. (In my opinion, the other reasons aren't really important, but others may not share my opinion.)

I strongly suggest that you think up a new username after checking Wikipedia:Username policy, and then request a name change at Wikipedia:Changing username. The new name - and your subsequent edits after the name change - should not mention or refer to the actress at all.

I cannot guarantee that this will change the outcome of the current discussion at WP:ANI, but in my opinion it is the most significant problem right now. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've indefinitely blocked this account from editing here, for the following reasons:

• You claim here a close relationship with a living individual of minor public notability. You use the name of this individual (N.I.) in your username. Unless you can prove your association with N.I. you are in violation of our username policy.
• Your article contributions are few and minor in nature, not backed by reliable sources, and not necessarily accurate at all.
• You do not seem to grasp the purpose of this website, which is to develop a free encyclopedia. Rather, you seem to view the site as a web forum where your jokes, conversations and opinions can be inserted wherever you desire.

In order to be unblocked, you must do both of the following:

• Ask the individual named in your user name (N.I.) to contact Wikipedia through the confidential WP:OTRS system to verify their identity and confirm that your association with them is as you have asserted.
• Convince an uninvolved administrator that you are able and willing to contribute productively here, by requesting unblocking as described here. If you have trouble with formatting the {{unblock}} template, you can request help by putting the {{helpme}} template here, followed by a description of what help you need.

If you have further questions, you can ask them here. Franamax (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When does the block expire? I found more information on season 4 of biz kid$, but how am i going to put that it will start in april according to the biz kid$ websight if you blocked me? And a small question, why do you want me to ask Nissae to e-mail you guys, she has better things to do. Tonight is going to be busy for her, i'll see if I can get her to, what happens if she won't? She says she's alright with the user name, she agrees that i should stop hounding the ref desk, and she gave me suggestions on helping more articles, but i can't do her suggestions until i am unblocked. How can i edit when blocked? I can't just say "Hey Franamax, can you put this in for me? every time until i'm unblocked, that would just be annoying after a while, and frankly, I hate being annoying. I'll see if she'll e-mail you, if not what do i do? I talked with a teacher who knows more about the sight and she said she also sees nothing wrong with my name. Nissae's back tomorrow and i'll see what I can do, N.I.M. miss you. Go behind the line. 22:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As Franamax explained: N. should email the Volunteer Response Team to verify her identity and confirm the connection with you. Your block is indefinite: meaning that it will not expire on it's own, but you can ask for your block to be reviewed when you have resolved the issues Franamax pointed out. Jarkeld (talk) 22:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just finnished talking with her, she doesn't want to talk to wikipedia, and i don't want to force her, sorry, but that's the way it is. I was going to choose the name Comet Tuttle, but i discovered it was taken, as both Nissae and I are space fans. I can't think of another user na,e, I like space, and the thermosphere, I like What's with Andy, I like Cyberchase, Reno 911, Biz Kid$, this hour has 22 minutes, Kim Possible, Cats, bees, wasps, Egypt, but I also want to keep my name. I just feel proud of who I love, is there anything against that? Lets say Cree Summer's husband created an account and called them self "Cree Summer's man", and was asked to proove it, yet Cree refused to do so, what would happen in that case? N.I.M. miss you. Go behind the line. 23:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well we'd get ourselves a reasonable expectation of whether it was the same person or not, then we'd wonder why Mr Summer was unable to prove who he was to OTRS.

Can I assume that you have chosen not to change your username as suggested? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well we can forget the proof, she says she won't do it, but i'm not saying it is a storry because that would be a lie, and christians don't lie. I am going to try to contribute more, it will take time but over time it will add up. If you unblock me i could get started by adding the season 4 to biz kid$, then i'll go on from there. Maybe i'll choose the user name, i'll keep the link if i can come up with another one, I changed my signature, thank you cuddlyable3 for the font help, and I saw Nissae again today, so the I this will be the last I miss you post. She gave me a good line to use. You'll see it in my next post. N.I.M. miss you. Go behind the line. 23:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that unless you either change the name or get the verification to the OTRS team you're not getting unblocked. Jarkeld (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would the name Commet Isen be good? she suggested that one sinse i like Space, or my last name of Marks? commet Isen or commet Marks? [[User:Nissae Isen's Man | N.I.M.]] [[User talk:Nissae Isen's Man | Greetings Earthlings,]] Go behind the line. (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't you think of something short but completely imaginary? Comet Egypt maybe? You should avoid real-life names and I'd urge you to avoid using your own too, so that you can keep your own privacy. Franamax (talk) 00:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I like it, After Judge Judy i'll mention that at the link you provided. thanks. N.I.M. Hi Earthlings Go behind the line. 00:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, you aren't mentioning it anywhere but here. So you need to be very clear that you want to change username, and what username you want. Try something simple. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While the user name is a big problem, it's not the only one. I'd like to ensure the user has a better grasp on some of our core policies, such as WP:V. As I review this user's contributions, I see zero sources cited and without such, edits such as this are just plain unhelpful as they conflict with the only source that has been brought forward (albeit unreliable) in favorable of an unverifiable primary source that is even less reliable. Worse is adding pure WP:OR like this (see edit summary).

Man, what can you do to assure us your future edits will be more in line with our policies? Toddst1 (talk) 00:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also the various go-rounds with "Catherine Thompson", whom I've yet to see proved as existing at all... Franamax (talk) 01:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is kind of disturbing that this user is further insisting above that he really does have an intimate relationship with that actress. Frankly, I think that is all completely imaginary. NIM has an long history of asserting imaginary relationships by way of avoiding responsibility for his conduct at WP. His imagination in this regard seems to me completely unrestrained by reality, reason, or common sense. This user is a walking BLP-hazard and should not be unblocked any time soon imho. WikiDao ☯ 01:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My spidey sense says that you are exactly right, BUT there are other places to discuss that. Stand behind the line! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(To what is that comment referring, demiurge...? WikiDao ☯ 03:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

What an odd question. Why, it referred to the text immediately before it, namely "I think it is kind of disturbing that..." and the rest of it. I find this rather disturbing, too. Anyway, could you read all the subsequent material and summarise it, please? I have had enough. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, good use of Mrs. the sig line. N.I.M. Hi Earthlings Go behind the line. 03:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously wikipedia is more of a finnicky, arogont, no good, time waisting war mongering sight, Maybe i should take you all to judge judy for your s*** complaints of it all being storries, in fact, there is a user whom i am thinking of taking to Judge Judy. This s*** of my "imagination" is over, wikipedia is a waist of your time and should be removed from the internet due to its finnickiness, and bad disposition. My history teacher was right, Wikipedia is just as useless as I am and as Catherine Thompson, Nissae Isen, Mrs. H, You all, and this whole damn internet is. N.I.M. Hi Earthlings Go behind the line. 03:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tomorrow, i'm going to Judge Judy.com and mentioning this, and you have until then to proove to me that the crap about the imagination was just a game. You better admit that you are messing around and that I have truth to me, or instead of that trip to my cousin in Connecticut, I will be meeting one of you in the court of Judge Judy. You better proove that this sight isn't how i describe it above. If catherine doesn't exist, then franamax doesn't exist, Wiki Dow and all those other names don't exist either. Wikipedia doesn't exist either. If Catherine Thompson doesn't exist, then i'll wake up tomorrow and say "Wikipedia" to someone, and they will say "What is a wikipedia?" You proove to me that I don't have to sue you and your sight and maybe I will do your S*** load of lies thing. You expect me to lie and say i am making it up, you expect me to lie and say that George is made up, you expect me to lie and say that I am a troll, and all that S***, well sorry, no. I will not lie just so you can boost your precious ego, I have tried to change, but noooooooo, not good enough. Let's go put pressure on NIM and say that he's making it up, Let's all gang up on this guy we hardly know, and try to make him do something like lying just because I don't believe him. I don't care how you feel or whether this message is against your precious and freakish pollicies. I take back everything i told my history teacher about how "Good" wikipedia is, she was right and I was wrong. Good night and i expect apolojies for your "he made it up" S***, you have until the end of Friday, or i'm sending that complaint to Judge Judy, have it ready on my computer now. This is serious, You're prooving exactly oposet of what you're supposed to be. "We welcome all editors", Bull S***, and you've prooven it to me. You watch the show biz kid$ and you look for the name, my source like i said many damn times is the damn credits. but noooo, nooo that's not good enough for you f****** freaks! I have tried everything in my power to find good sources, and You seem to rely on IMDB, which is useless as you, as it is voluintears as well. I did everything i could, we're at the end of your stupid pollicies. Proove to me otherwize, or your whole sight is going down on friday. I'm tired of strangers telling me what to do with my life indirectly. I'm tired of you saying "You're Making it up" when you have no damn reason to say such a thing. Oh, yes, let's ban him because he is going to take us to Judge Judy. No, which is why i am giving you till the end of friday to change my mind about Wikipedia and the complaint. If you can prove it to me, i will delete the complaint and maybe ask Catherine to talk to yous. I can contact the biz kid$ crew, you gave me that link so I will use your link to have Cathy do an e- mail asaying "I am real, I am real, I am REAL I AM REAL I AM REAL!" maybe that will ring a bell for you and wake up Wikipedia to reality. Good night, and if i find a perminant ban on me, then i will send the complaint tomorrow rather than friday. Good luck proving your the oposet of what i describe by friday. N.I.M. Hi Earthlings Go behind the line. and this time it is not a joke, Get back behind the line, the line of reality. N.I.M. Hi Earthlings Go behind the line. 03:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a reasonable likelihood that you are just a troll, NIM. That you are not really severely visually impaired. That you are not a really a school-age child interested in the "pre-teen" children's show "Biz Kid$", and that you do not really converse with a "Mrs. History Teacher" and a "Mrs. TA" who tells you to "stand behind the line" or have "friends" who are responsible for all the disruptive edits you have been warned about.

On the other hand, maybe all of that is true and you really are the BF of the voice actress named in your username, too.

I really don't know. But I do not think you should be permitted to edit with that username anymore. (And I am glad this issue has come up now, before the impact of your username on the google results of the ac tress named in it got any worse). Unless, of course, you could get your GF to convince WP:OTRS that you really are her "man" – in which case I will also be more than happy to apologize profusely to you both for my present skepticism. Actually, my personal opinion right now though is that I do not think you should be permitted to edit here under any username if that does not happen. WikiDao ☯ 04:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]