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== With all due respect... ==

Nineteen Nightmares - Far be it for me to lecture you, but as one of the first editors to establish contact with you here at Wikipedia, I feel I need to stick my oar in. I've just come across the message you left at [[User talk:JNW]]'s and I'd like to point out that, among other things, personal attacks like that are not only unnecessary and unacceptable but also counter-productive. You seem to have taken the ''VEM'' article to heart which, given the amount of time you've spent on it, is understandable, but don't forget that Wikipedia is a collaborative exercise, and if a majority of editors visiting the article consider it non-notable - or, as the case may be, lacking verifiable references - that's the way it goes.

JNW did in fact point out at some stage that if the article were to end up being deleted, there was no reason why you couldn't start it again, incorporating editors' recommendations and solving the "problems" which led to it being deleted first time round. Attacking editors really isn't the way to ensure future support for articles that you may want to start. You may not be aware of it, but the article could quite easily have had a "[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy delete]]" tag slapped on it at the outset - something I spend a large part of my time here doing - but JNW stated that he reckoned that it was well-written enough to give you a chance to develop it further. Which you have, but you obviously found it hard to fix according to the guidelines established here. As I mentioned elsewhere, you'd be surprised at the amount of new material appearing on Google every day and that crucial reference may turn up.

As I mentioned before, far be it etc. but why don't you wander around Wikipedia for a few days and tinker with articles on other topics that interest you and get to know the ropes - you've already had a crash course - and although you are bound to come across the odd article that is less worthy of inclusion here than the VEM, check out its strong points (sure to have that verifiable reference in there) and/or correct the many typos and syntax stuff that crops up all over the place. Another alternative, of course is to do what I've done a couple of times: take a short [[Wikipedia:Wikibreak]]. Charges up the batteries a treat! And we're sure to meet up at some article sometime. Please think about it, and maybe drop JNW a line... --[[User:Technopat|Technopat]] ([[User talk:Technopat|talk]]) 23:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks again, Technopat. I have nothing against criticism. I think everyone realizes what I was up against, but didn't even know it. It still feels personal with the above mentioned user, but I've improved the article with something like ten references and four external links. He doesn't say a word. And it is obvious he and "Modernist" are buddies of some sort and are jumping in on this together because neither one of them is listening to a thing. I'm done arguing anything with users on this site anymore. I'll put in some time and take my chances...
::[[User:Nineteen Nightmares|Nineteen Nightmares]] ([[User talk:Nineteen Nightmares#top|talk]]) 01:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares

:::The references have to mention and give information about Valley Entertainment Monthly to be acceptable for keeping the article. If they do, please quote the text which mentions VEM on the article talk page. It's no good having a ref which is about e.g. a contributor to VEM, which doesn't mention VEM. This is in the ref guide above. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 02:10, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

::::Oh, JNW and Modernist are both experienced editors of long standing and in very good standing, who have contributed tens of thousands of edits to wikipedia, and who are simply following its policies properly. You have come here without researching the policies properly, written one article about a subject which you have a [[WP:COI]] over of some sort, and insult other contributors. I doubt if you would behave like that in "real life", so why lower standards of behaviour online? '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 02:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:Very good advice. This is totally unacceptable.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JNW&diff=357438947&oldid=357308758] Read [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. I also suggest close study of the referencing guide I posted above. You've been given pointers, but you haven't followed them properly, so you minimise the chances of the article being kept. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 00:53, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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Valley Entertainment Monthly

I've added three references today, 4/17/10, in the proper format. 22:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares[reply]

The article has also been linked to a handful of other Wiki articles, including the one on the City of Turlock and Mid Valley Publications. Nineteen Nightmares (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares[reply]

External links have now been added as well and I will continue to search for and add the appropriate references and external links when found.

I sincerely thank everyone for their help with this article!

I have nominated Valley Entertainment Monthly, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Entertainment Monthly. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. JNW (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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