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Always assume it's possible there's an ambiguity in the text that makes sense one way to you and makes equally good faith sense in a completely different way to someone else. When others try to make it personal don't shoot back. Instead.... Can you respectfully repeat your opponent's viewpoint, without negating it? Often a magic bullet is to ask the other editor for permission to try to repeat back their own argument as neutrally as possible even if you don't agree with it. That instantly tells them you are listening and does 99% of what is possible (at least on your part) to cool things off. The exercise often uncovers simple misunderstandings. see the related essay writing for your opponent. If you try that and they just stay hot and bothered, there's a good chance they've got some compulsory emotional stuff or else lack good faith. In that case, stay calm, don't shoot back, and get some outside help from WP:DRN, WP:ANI, or WP:AE. Feel free to copy reuse trash change distribute. Your mileage may vary.

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25-50-25[edit]

25% of people will be mad at you (or unteachable) no matter what you do, so don't waste your time trying to change them.
25% of people will be thrilled with you (or self-directed learners) so don't waste your time trying to change them.
Just focus on the 50% where you can make a difference.

DS Alerts I already know about[edit]

If you've stopped by to DS Alert me.... I already know about the following.... NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DS review process 2021[edit]

Entirely by accident, I just stumbled across this when I saw it on someone else's talk page. I would have contributed in the "consultation" phase, but I was wikihibernating and didn't know about it. Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021_review. In case anyone else doesn't know about it and happens to come by my talk, I thought I'd put this here and invite you to start following that process also. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies[edit]

Just wanted to say please forgive my blathering. As you might suspect, we wandered into an area of interest for me. All the same, you make good points, and as I say, happy to go wherever consensus takes us. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 23:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't apologize, it was much more valuable than many (most?) content discussions I have here! There's nothing more boring as an occassional so called "nontraditional" (read= old) student that to sit in a potentially awesome class with a bunch of dullards who won't ever speak or raise their hand. If we disagree then I'll learn in the process, so the only apology I'm willing to accept is if sometime you realize you had something constructive to add, even if to disagree, but didn't. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very well said and worthy of being framed and hung on the wall. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 06:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm.... dartboard? Face of a faux coo-coo clock? My the ideas are endless. When my kid was in gradeschool one day I used a big 10-penny nail to hammer a walnut to the kitchen wall. I mean, where ELSE would you store your walnuts? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LMFAO! If your kid had a strong philosophical streak, that nailed walnut might have been the trigger to a great work of philosophy. A hook to hang ideas on. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 10:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You know how things like this become familiar and sort of disappear in our awareness? The mangled nut with the two inches of nail shank protruding captured their attention a couple years later. Shaking their head they said, "Even when I was really little I knew you were a nut, but MY GOD you have truly cracked up!!" NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chuckle. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 10:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies[edit]

Apologies for this edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=1095216173), I didn't see it that you unarchived it yourself in the edit summary. Somehow, my browser was still at an older version which I opened hours ago and somehow didn't update. Thanks and sorry for the mistake! VickKiang (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heh... I didn't even notice until you said something. No worries, it was MY mistake after all. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile view[edit]

At the bottom of every page there's a toggle button to go back and forth between mobile and desktop. Moxy- 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, who knew? Next time I lose my keys I'll scroll down and see if those are lurking down there, too. I've since realized my desktop browser (firefox) has a built in "responsive design mode" allowing one to make the monitor behave like a long list of mobile devices. By combining both that link and this feature I'm able to do what I had hoped.

I'm curious.... I see the info box at Donald Trump behaving like you recently described, i.e., pretending to be on a iphone it appears after the lead first paragraph. However, at United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack_public_hearings the similar box in the lead simply does not appear, at least it doesn't intefere with the lead. does not behave that way. The box on Donald Trump derives from

{{Infobox officeholder | (many parameters)}}
{{2021 United States Capitol attack|expanded=Investigations and charges}}

From the user's point of view these two boxes look pretty much alike. So why doesn't the code treat them the same?

And last, is there a place in wikiworld where one can get training or help to be better a better responsive design savvy editor?

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sidebar ‎Navboxs are not seen in mobile view because they just spam overlinking...but an infobox has real data that is usefull to readers. In Canada articles we use {{if mobile}} alot. See Wildlife of Canada or Culture of Canada in both views. Moxy-

21:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is really useful, thanks Moxy :). Femke (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 2022[edit]

I bungled my response to an ed expressing suicidal ideation. I was appropriately blocked but the important thing is the subsquent discussion. Please join as at the current venue (see below) NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. User talk:Tamzin 22:53, 28 July 2022

Do not insert yourself into other editors' medical decisions. Do not give them "homework assignment"s regarding mental health care without their consent. Do not, when they give answers that you do not like, accuse them of "gaslighting" or being an "emotional vampire" or "emotional leech". If you have that level of concern with an editor's conduct, raise the matter at AN or AN/I as a straightforward user conduct issue, without such hyperbolic langage. I considered leaving this at a warning, but these comments were far over the line, and you've been here a decade, so I don't think you need me to put you on notice as to the existence of WP:NPA. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you and I appreciate this. Do we have a policy for dealing with on the one hand and supporting on the other, eds who routinely make comments that raise suicide risk red flags to people who know about this field of medicine? I mean, a specific one, that is. If we don't, has that idea ever been discussed somewhere? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid no, we don't have a good comprehensive set of options for dealing with suicidal editors. For outright suicide threats (not "I've been suicidal lately" but "I'm going to do it tonight"), the WMF takes jurisdiction under WP:EMERGENCY, and local oversighters support by suppressing the threats themselves (both to avoid suicide contagion and because a suicidal person can't be said to have meaningfully consented to saying that.) But for things that aren't really an imminent threat, it's more an ad hoc mixture of administrative actions. If you'd like me to have a word with GoodDay and say that saying that sort of thing makes people uncomfortable and asking that he not, I can. I'd say that's step one in distinguishing between whether someone is being manipulative or just trying to be honest about how they feel.
Incidentally, I do have an essay, User:Tamzin/Guidance for editors with mental illnesses, which also has advice on dealing with such editors. I've been thinking of spinning it out into a projectspace essay (maybe Wikipedia:Wikipedia and mental illness) meant as a half-rebuttal-to/half-concurrence-with WP:NOTTHERAPY. Thoughts welcome. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that you care about these issues. And I appreciate that you offered to talk to the other editor. However if you describe my feelings as "uncomfortable", that would be untrue, and now that I have told you if you say it anyway it would be a lie. I'm happy to help you understand what my true feelings about this are/were, but only by email so you don't interpret such comments as another NPA violation and block me again. If you want to understand where I'm coming from, I would welcome that email-based discussion. I'm going to break the ice by emailing you a wiki diff to this comment, so I will expose my email address first. It's up to you if you want to pursue better understanding about this exchange. If not, that's OK, but if you choose that option please recuse from future admin action towards me about anything. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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As of Aug 3, 2022, discussion of the underlying potentially life-saving issues has migrated to Wikipedia_talk:Resonding to threats of harm NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied to your email. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great I'll take a look in a few hours.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Replied.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

C fred ds alert[edit]

My goodness, what has happened? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate, or just delete this whole thread. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering what prompted the DS alert. As you say, please elaborate -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, for the sake of 3rd party lurkers, the DS Alert is a no-fault FYI and nothing more. I'm sure you know that.... incidentally I detest Okra UNLESS it is in my gumbo recipe that is so super secret I haven't been able to duplicate it, but that one batch was...... to die for. Anyway.... C. Fred was editing a political candidate's BLP and that's all it takes to get a DS alert. Just sticking one's toe in the water of a topic to which DS applied. When the old fault-based WARNING system was overhauled in 2013, I unsuccessfully lobbied for a bot to auto-issue the DS alert whenever anyone made an edit in articls/talk pages that were tagged as belonging to the topic. My sense is that the no-fault system best works without drama or battleground templating when there is ubiquity. In this case, I confess, I got lazy and didn't include the other involved eds. I would ordinarily point you to the article edits and associated talk page edits but with the intent of doubling down on the no-fault nature of the DS Alert I choose to not do that. Instead, I want to re-emphasize that by issuing the FYI alert I am in no way suggesting any transgression, so if you really really want to know for intellectual curiosity and acknowledge that it was just an FYI template, then I will provide those diffs. I just want to dot these i's and cross those t's so we're all on the same page.... it was just an FYI nothing more. But it does start a 12-month clock of "awareness" as to the ARBCOM decision on US politics. If you want to figure it out on your own, use the editor interaction tool. But I'll share those details, if we document there's no sparks, just an FYI. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was worried. There are some subjects I wish we auto-alerted for. Sigh. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the ARBS feel they must issue edicts, then I share your desire on each and every of those topics. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ANI[edit]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinpoint link for convenience Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:NewsAndEventsGuy NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You’ve been mentioned in an SPI making accusations against you[edit]

Case, at least with respect to myself, was closed with my "exoneration". NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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You were mentioned here.[1] It doesn’t seem that the editor making accusations against you properly informed you of his SPI against you (which could have the effect of a banning a member). Advising you boomerang this to ANI to have his TBAN reinstated since it’s obvious he is scapegoating you for his ongoing soapbox against Wikipedia refusing to drive his NPOV agenda. 174.215.18.76 (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the head's up. I'm not sure if the SPI allegation is comical or pathetic, but either way it is surely toxic. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that this has spread to User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#NPA and User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#DS_Alert_US_Politics NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a truly soap-opera-esque twist, your alleged sox are actually sox of this very IP. :D All sorted now, for some value of sorted. Histmerged without redirect to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ethiopique. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

oh, now I get it. The OP of this thread is one of the socks making trouble. Got it. Thanks, NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2022 United States House of Representatives elections[edit]

Well, I see the other user ran afoul of our P&G so I guess this is done. Be careful about how you characterize these trouble makers going forward. It can be a blurry line between dealing with disruption and making personal attacks yourself. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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We meet again. User:Flora Wilshire has a history of ignoring reverts and pushing their version, which is usually a criticism of America or praise of the Chinese government.

I can see why you would consider "known POV editor" to be a violation of WP:ASPERSIONS, but WP:NPA says casting aspersions would be, "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links".

I'm happy to link to these diffs to stand by what I said.

On the other hand, I'm curious what you would consider to be a more acceptable way to explain someone's editing history in an edit summary. I try consistently to explain edits, especially reversions. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 00:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:FOC and next time you do an edit, bear that in mind and you will have an easier time here. (For third parties who may be interested in the background see this)....NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I broke the red box, I did not realize I did that.

I presume you're fine with me reinstating my edit to the article, so I have. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also @Flora Wilshire was the editor we were talking about. I forgot to ping her, but she still found this discussion. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still got the initial notification.

(P.S. I'm a male whose preferred pronouns are he/him, will edit the user page to clarify!) Flora Wilshire (talk) 02:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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About WP:CTOP and DS reform[edit]

It's so nice to see you around still! I saw you give out an old DS notice. You may have missed the conclusion of the recent DS reforms. The wording DS is now replaced with the more intuitive CT (contentious topic). The way notifications are done is changed in two ways too:

We only have to give a notice once per topic (no more yearly renewals)
The very first notice somebody gets is different and has much more info. You'd use {{alert/first|cc}}, which gives you the long text you can read at {{alert/first}}.

Cheers! —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate you saying hello and the howto tip. To be honest, it was momentary relapse, only. Carry on. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your Teahouse question[edit]

I just saw this and it's something I'd like to have. Did you ever find an answer?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NopeNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary[edit]

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your Teahouse question[edit]

Did you find an answer to this question, which I saw in the archives? If not, WP:VPT might be the place to ask.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 00:24, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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25-50-25[edit]

DS Alerts I already know about[edit]

DS review process 2021[edit]

Apologies[edit]

Apologies[edit]

Mobile view[edit]

July 2022[edit]

C fred ds alert[edit]

ANI[edit]

You’ve been mentioned in an SPI making accusations against you[edit]

2022 United States House of Representatives elections[edit]

ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message[edit]

Nomination of Sabato's Crystal Ball for deletion[edit]

About WP:CTOP and DS reform[edit]

ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message[edit]

Your Teahouse question[edit]

Precious anniversary[edit]

Your Teahouse question[edit]

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-| Always assume its possible there's an ambiguity in the text that makes sense one way to you and makes equally good faith sense in a completely different way to someone else. Don't shoot back. When others try to make it personal remember that they are saying ''nothing'' about you and are instead telling the world they either lack discipline or else are consciously manipulating you to change the issue.  So a personal attack by your assailant is nothing more than their own self-destruction.  Smile to yourself, feel sorry for them, and move on.  They are creating their own sanction by destroying their own editor-image.  If you must stick with it, try very hard to avoid saying "you" and instead say "I" and "me" and stick to the subject matter.  Then you don't have to get hot yourself.
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+Entirely by accident, I just stumbled across this when I saw it on someone else's talk page.  I would have contributed in the "consultation" phase, but I was wikihibernating and didn't know about it.   [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021_review]].   In case anyone else doesn't know about it and happens to come by my talk, I thought I'd put this here and invite you to start following that process also. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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+Just wanted to say please forgive my blathering.  As you might suspect, we wandered into an area of interest for me.  All the same, you make good points, and as I say, happy to go wherever consensus takes us.  Cheers. [[User:Dumuzid|Dumuzid]] ([[User talk:Dumuzid|talk]]) 23:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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+:Please don't apologize, it was much more valuable than many (most?) content discussions I have here!  There's nothing more boring  as an occassional so called "nontraditional" (read= <em>old</em>) student that to sit in a potentially awesome class with a bunch of dullards who won't ever speak or raise their hand.  If we disagree then I'll learn in the process, so the only apology I'm willing to accept is if sometime you realize you had something constructive to add, even if to disagree, but didn't. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+:: Very well said and worthy of being framed and hung on the wall. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|PING me]]''''') 06:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+::: Hmmmm.... dartboard?  Face of a faux coo-coo clock?  My the ideas are endless.  When my kid was in gradeschool one day I used a big 10-penny nail to hammer a walnut to the kitchen wall.  I mean, where ELSE would you store your walnuts?  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+:::: LMFAO! If your kid had a strong philosophical streak, that nailed walnut might have been the trigger to a great work of philosophy. A hook to hang ideas on. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|PING me]]''''') 10:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+::::: You know how things like this become familiar and sort of disappear in our awareness?  The mangled nut with the two inches of nail shank protruding captured their attention a couple years later.  Shaking their head they said, "Even when I was <em>really</em> little I knew you were a nut, but MY GOD you have truly cracked up!!" [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+:::::: Chuckle. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|PING me]]''''') 10:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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+:Heh... I didn't even notice until you said something.  No worries, it was MY mistake after all.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 03:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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-}}{{Z33}}<!-- Derived from Template:Ds/alert --> [[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:Black">HighInBC</b>]] 00:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
+At the bottom of every page there's a toggle button to go back and forth between mobile and desktop. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]</span>-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
-:{{Ping|HighInBC}} Thanks, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&diff=699528911&oldid=699528695 I self alerted] at the start of my involvement there, and I've alerted several others, so I'm certainly on notice. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
+:Well, who knew?  Next time I lose my keys I'll scroll down and see if those are lurking down there, too.  I've since realized my desktop browser (firefox) has a built in "responsive design mode" allowing one to make the monitor behave like a long list of mobile devices.  By combining both that link and this feature I'm able to do what I had hoped.
+:I'm curious.... I see the info box at [[Donald Trump]] behaving like you recently described, i.e., pretending to be on a iphone it appears after the lead first paragraph.  However, at [[United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack_public_hearings]] the similar box in the lead simply does not appear, at least it doesn't intefere with the lead.  does not behave that way.  The box on Donald Trump derives from
-::Okay good to know. Thanks. [[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:Black">HighInBC</b>]] 00:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
+::* <nowiki>{{Infobox officeholder | (many parameters)}} </nowiki>
+::* <nowiki>{{2021 United States Capitol attack|expanded=Investigations and charges}}</nowiki>
+:From the user's point of view these two boxes look pretty much alike.  So why doesn't the code treat them the same?
+:And last, is there a place in wikiworld where one can get training or help to be better a better responsive design savvy editor?
-== Time to hit the sack for me. ==
+:[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
-Thanks for cleaning that up before anyone else read it.  I need to grab some sleep as I'm obviously too tired to do a decent job.  I reverted a couple of my own long edits a couple of months ago, accidentally. Also, I do find the political are an inseparable part of some of these situations which the articles cover. That's certainly the case with the Bundys, as is religion. I don't think any of the players were polygamists, but a great many were close to those FLDS and/or Centennial Park group communities. I haven't seen anyone take note of it in all the coverage.  Ugh. Oh, are you going to the Wikipedia conference next month? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 12:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
+::sidebar ‎Navboxs are not seen in mobile view because they just spam overlinking...but an infobox has real data that is usefull to readers. In Canada articles we use {{tl|if mobile}} alot.  See [[Wildlife of Canada]] or [[Culture of Canada]] in both views. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]</span>-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 21:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
-:Yes, the mormon connection is seriously under told, as is the context in the decades long Sagebrush rebellion.  The story of the forest has been lost in the trees.   Happy sleeping!  I'm turning towards real life myself.   As to the conference, nope, not going.  You? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 12:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
-::Yes, going. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 18:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
-::Well, enjoy!  Ever been to such a thing? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:06, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
-:::I haven't. I hope I won't be disappointed. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 12:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-::::If you post a write up on your talk page afterwards please ping me.  Have fun [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-:::::No problem. Happy to. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 17:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-{{od}}
-In going back to review that article, when I noticed it had Finicum's domicile wrong, I noticed that many non-reliable sources referred to his death as a "murder." That even included the obit announcement on Legacy.com  So I read it again today and noticed that the weasel word "allegedly" had been used to describe his reaching for gun before his death. I read the sources cited for the standing text and the word wasn't there. So I took your advice, wrote a TALK explanation, and changed the word to "apparently," and provided a definitive source. I posted to the article's TALK page and then made the edit. I expect I may run into a shitstorm. We'll see. Thanks again for the advice. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 20:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-:Sounds like careful editing, thanks! [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
-{{od}}
-<small><small>''housekeeping note, the following refers to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ammon_Bundy&diff=738845100&oldid=738844346 this edit][[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 11:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)</small></small>
-::Well, you got me bent out of shape when you accused me of inserting factual errors into the Ammon Bundy page and harshly criticized my approach to the differing viewpoint on the G4S penalty. I am very careful about what I write and took your charge as attacking my honesty. I left a long response as soon as I read your ping, reverted your undo, then went back and did a couple more additions. I'm cooling off a bit as I've gotten off my chest and out of my system. As with ParsleyMan, I've had a lot of respect for both of your work on difficult (high interest, fast breaking, multitude of editors, complex, etc.) articles and was astonished that you would make those accusations. I hope this doesn't affect our future Wikipedia relationship, should we be editing the same articles. I wrote this many hours ago but had to run off to be with friends doing a housewarming, neglecting to hit "send," so I don't know if you've posted anything about this in the interim. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 23:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
-:::Usually a good idea to write that sort of thing but then get a good night sleep before sending.  Sometimes, I write in Notepad just so I don't hit "send" before I can calmly consider the benefit and goal of my words. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
+::: This is really useful, thanks Moxy :). [[User:Femkemilene|Femke]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 16:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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+== July 2022 ==
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+{{Archive top| I bungled my response to an ed expressing suicidal ideation. I was appropriately blocked but the important thing is the subsquent discussion.  Please join as at the current venue (see below) [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)}}
+You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''48 hours''' for making [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attacks towards other editors]].  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. [[User talk:Tamzin]] 22:53, 28 July 2022
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+* Do not insert yourself into other editors' medical decisions. Do not give them "homework assignment"s regarding mental health care without their consent. Do not, when they give answers that you do not like, accuse them of "gaslighting" or being an "emotional vampire" or "emotional leech". If you have that level of concern with an editor's conduct, raise the matter at AN or AN/I as a straightforward user conduct issue, without such hyperbolic langage. I considered leaving this at a warning, but these comments were ''far'' over the line, and you've been here a decade, so I don't think you need me to put you on notice as to the existence of [[WP:NPA]]. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she&#124;they&#124;xe)</span> 22:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
+*:Thank you and I appreciate this.  Do we have a policy for dealing with on the one hand and supporting on the other, eds who routinely make comments that raise suicide risk red flags to people who know about this field of medicine?  I mean, a specific one, that is.  If we don't, has that idea ever been discussed somewhere? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
+*::I'm afraid no, we don't have a good comprehensive set of options for dealing with suicidal editors. For outright suicide threats (not "I've been suicidal lately" but "I'm going to do it tonight"), the WMF takes jurisdiction under [[WP:EMERGENCY]], and local oversighters support by suppressing the threats themselves (both to avoid [[suicide contagion]] and because a suicidal person can't be said to have meaningfully consented to saying that.) But for things that aren't really an imminent threat, it's more an ''ad hoc'' mixture of administrative actions. If you'd like me to have a word with GoodDay and say that saying that sort of thing makes people uncomfortable and asking that he not, I can. I'd say that's step one in distinguishing between whether someone is being manipulative or just trying to be honest about how they feel.{{pb}}Incidentally, I do have an essay, [[User:Tamzin/Guidance for editors with mental illnesses]], which also has advice on dealing with such editors. I've been thinking of spinning it out into a projectspace essay (maybe [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia and mental illness]]) meant as a half-rebuttal-to/half-concurrence-with [[WP:NOTTHERAPY]]. Thoughts welcome. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she&#124;they&#124;xe)</span> 23:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
+::::I appreciate that you care about these issues.  And I appreciate that you offered to talk  to the other editor.  However if you describe my feelings as {{tq|"uncomfortable"}}, that would be untrue, and now that I have told you if you say it anyway it would be a lie. I'm happy to help you understand what my true feelings about this are/were, but only by email so you don't interpret such comments as another NPA violation and block me again. If you want to understand where I'm coming from, I would welcome  that email-based discussion.  I'm going to break the ice by emailing you a wiki diff to this comment, so I will expose my email address first. It's up to you if you want to pursue better understanding about this exchange. If not, that's OK, but if you choose that option please recuse from future admin action towards me about anything. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
+{{Archive bottom}}
+As of Aug 3, 2022, discussion of the underlying '''potentially life-saving''' issues has migrated to [[Wikipedia talk:Responding to threats of harm|Wikipedia_talk:Resonding to threats of harm]] [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
+:I've replied to your email. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she&#124;they&#124;xe)</span> 10:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
+::Great I'll take a look in a few hours.[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
+::: Replied.[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
+== C fred ds alert ==
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+My goodness, what has  happened? [[User:Deepfriedokra|--  Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 19:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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-}}{{Z33}}<!-- Derived from Template:Ds/alert --> [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
+: Please elaborate, or just delete this whole thread. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
+::I was wondering what prompted the DS alert. As you say, please elaborate [[User:Deepfriedokra|--  Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 19:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
-==Speedy deletion nomination of file you uploaded ==
+:::Sure, for the sake of 3rd party lurkers, the DS Alert is a no-fault FYI and nothing more.  I'm sure you know that.... incidentally I detest Okra UNLESS it is in my gumbo recipe that is so super secret I haven't been able to duplicate it, but that one batch was...... to die for.  Anyway....    C. Fred was editing a political candidate's BLP and that's all it takes to get a DS alert.  Just sticking one's toe in the water of a topic to which DS applied.  When the old fault-based WARNING system was overhauled in 2013, I unsuccessfully lobbied for a bot to auto-issue the DS alert whenever ''anyone'' made an edit in articls/talk pages that were tagged as belonging to the topic.  My sense is that the no-fault system best works without drama or battleground templating when there is ''ubiquity''.  In this case, I confess, I got lazy and didn't include the other involved eds. I would ordinarily point you to the article edits and associated talk page edits but with the intent of doubling down on the no-fault nature of the DS Alert I choose to not do that. Instead, I want to re-emphasize that by issuing the FYI alert I am in no way suggesting any transgression, so if you really really want to know for intellectual curiosity and acknowledge that it was just an FYI template, then I will provide those diffs.  I just want to dot these i's and cross those t's so we're all on the same page.... it was just an FYI nothing more.  But it ''does'' start a 12-month clock of "awareness" as to the ARBCOM decision on US politics.   If you want to figure it out on your own, use the editor interaction tool.  But I'll share those details, if we document there's no sparks, just an FYI. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
-A tag has been placed on [[:File:LaVoy Finicum - Truck stopped by Oregon State Patrol during failed arrest attempt's truck at the first traffic stop.png]] requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under [[WP:CSD#F9|section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion]], because the file appears to be a blatant [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyright]] infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted content borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing
+::::Thanks. I was worried. There are some subjects I wish we auto-alerted for. Sigh. [[User:Deepfriedokra|--  Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
+:::::If the ARBS feel they must issue edicts, then I share your desire on each and every of those topics. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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-:Thanks for the help Majora, copyright is a foreign land to me. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 02:55, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
+:Pinpoint link for convenience [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:NewsAndEventsGuy]] [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 11:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
+==You’ve been mentioned in an SPI making accusations against you==
-== Why did you send me a DS alert ==
-I got a DS alert from you. What is this? and is it because Im conservative? --[[User:Zgrillo2004|Zgrillo2004]] ([[User talk:Zgrillo2004|talk]]) 21:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
+{{Archive top|Case, at least with respect to myself, was closed with my "exoneration". [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)}}
+[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NewsAndEventsGuy&diff=1122250005&oldid=1122173103 You were mentioned here].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NewsAndEventsGuy&diff=1122250005&oldid=1122173103] It doesn’t seem that the editor making accusations against you properly informed you of his SPI against you (which could have the effect of a banning a member). Advising you boomerang this to ANI to have his TBAN reinstated since it’s obvious he is scapegoating you for his ongoing soapbox against Wikipedia refusing to drive his NPOV agenda. [[Special:Contributions/174.215.18.76|174.215.18.76]] ([[User talk:174.215.18.76|talk]]) 16:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
-:DS alerts are, by definition, no fault / no blame / no shame.   They are FYI.  Since you're making edits and/or comments about politics in the US, such as the Orlando shooting, I felt it appropriate to call the special rules about US politics to your attention.  You can read about those behavioral rules in the links contained in the notice I left on your talk page.  In particular, you seem ready to pick sides, or at least make assumptions about other people picking sides.   See also [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:AGF]].  If you decline to read those things and modify your approach your stay here will likely be brief instead of effective.  Your choice. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 21:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
+:Thanks for the head's up.  I'm not sure if the SPI allegation is comical or pathetic, but either way it is surely toxic. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 02:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
+::Just noting that this has spread to [[User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#NPA]] and [[User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#DS_Alert_US_Politics]] [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 16:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
+In a truly soap-opera-esque twist, your alleged sox are actually sox of this very IP. <code>:D</code> All sorted now, for some value of sorted. Histmerged without redirect to [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ethiopique]]. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she&#124;they&#124;xe)</span> 10:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
+:oh, now I get it.  The OP of this thread is one of the socks making trouble.   Got it.  Thanks, [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
+{{Archive bottom}}
+== 2022 United States House of Representatives elections ==
-== Reply (to Wikihounding inquiry related to edit at Wikilawyer essay) ==
+{{Archive top|Well, I see the other user ran afoul of our P&G so I guess this is done. Be careful about how you characterize these trouble makers going forward.  It can be a blurry line between dealing with disruption and making personal attacks yourself. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)}}
-Reply to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:My_very_best_wishes&diff=prev&oldid=757769392 this]. No, we are on the same side if you want to improve WP. We just happened to disagree about one minor thing. Make your argument on the content. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 17:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
+We meet again. [[User:Flora Wilshire]] [[Special:Contributions/Flora Wilshire|has a history]] of ignoring reverts and pushing their version, which is usually a criticism of America or praise of the Chinese government.
-: I'll look at the essay talk page thread you started eventually;  I'm more interested in something else right now, but I have already pinged you where that's being discussed and decline to start it up here too.  See [[WP:MULTI]].  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
-::Are you going to make [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=prev&oldid=757775789 such a big issue] from a single edit in essay? And what exactly do you expect from Bishonen? I do not think you understand [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding the policy]. It tells about actions "to repeatedly confront or inhibit [your] work". I did not do it. Even if you think I tracked your edits, it is allowed as long as my edits can be reasonably viewed as improvement of content. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 18:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
-::: Those who do not engage in Wikilawyering might reasonably disagree as to the '''spirit''' of the Wikihounding policy.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
-::::OK. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 19:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
+I can see why you would consider "known POV editor" to be a violation of [[WP:ASPERSIONS]], but [[WP:NPA]] says casting aspersions would be, "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links".
-{{Collapse top| for archival purposes making a note of an edit conflict exchange in case it comes up again}}
-::::: Edit conflict....  MVBW first said, and then deleted the following ''Just keep in mind that modifying comments made by other contributors (as you did) is against the rules and might be considered a blockable offense. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 19:04, 1 Jauary 2017 (UTC)''  That was first typed as I made a reply at the wikilaywer talk page, after which I saw it and as I was typing the following reply it was deleted.  My reply would have said ''Please provide a diff to where I modified your comment and note that the [[WP:TPG]] explicitly says that no one owns section headings so the heading you use (or I use) are not part of our comments, and can be changed in good faith by anyone for housekeeping purposes.   If I changed anything you said other than a section heading, it was an accident and I will be glad to self revert to restore your original wording.''   I'm just making a note here for archival purposes. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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+I'm happy to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Censorship_in_China&oldid=1122486541 link] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_defunct_media_due_to_Hong_Kong_national_security_law&oldid=1122486334 to] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_websites_blocked_in_Mainland_China&oldid=1122320088 these diffs] to stand by what I said.
-:P.S. Looking at your interests here, I think you will find [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deacon_of_Pndapetzim/How_to_win_a_revert_war this] amusing. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 03:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
-::Didn't read.   My interests (in terms of wiki process) is more about ''prevention'' of edit wars, amicable [[WP:Dispute resolution]], and retention of a diverse population of editors. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
+On the other hand, I'm curious what you would consider to be a more acceptable way to explain someone's editing history in an edit summary. I try consistently to explain edits, especially reversions. [[User:Augusthorsesdroppings10|Augusthorsesdroppings10]] ([[User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10|talk]]) 00:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
-== Conversation with DaveA2424 ==
+::::::: See [[WP:FOC]] and next time you do an edit, bear that in mind and you will have an easier time here.   (For third parties who may be interested in the background see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections&diff=prev&oldid=1122510585 this])....[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
-If it wasn't for the way that the other user spoke to me and threatened me then I would have not responded in the manner that I did. I hope that you have also spoken to him about his conduct. [[User:DaveA2424|DaveA2424]] ([[User talk:DaveA2424|talk]]) 04:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
+::::::::Sorry that I broke the red box, I did not realize I did that.
-:Saying "But DaddaAAAAddddd.....  he ''STARTED'' it....." wasn't quite what I was suggesting yesterday, when I wrote on your talk page
+::::::::I presume you're fine with me reinstating my edit to the article, so I have. [[User:Augusthorsesdroppings10|Augusthorsesdroppings10]] ([[User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10|talk]]) 02:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
-:::''Dave, please review our policies about how we talk to each other.  You can find some of this at [[WP:Civility]], [[WP:No personal attacks]], and the [[WP:Talk page guidelines]].  If you decide you crossed the line with anyone, I'm sure they'd appreciate a retraction and apology. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 19:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC)''
+::::::::Also @[[User:Flora Wilshire|Flora Wilshire]] was the editor we were talking about. I forgot to ping her, but she still found this discussion. [[User:Augusthorsesdroppings10|Augusthorsesdroppings10]] ([[User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10|talk]]) 02:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
-:[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
+:::::::::I still got the initial notification.
-::First of all, NewsAndEventsGuy, if you're going to be an immature ass about it then you have no place in this conversation. Secondly, WarMachineWildThing, you quite clearly threatened to have me blocked from Wikipedia and so on. I would also like to point out that, when you removed my content, my 'To Be Inducted In 2017' section was not the only thing that you removed. I had also made perfectly valid changes to the rest of the page as well so you were in violation of Wikipedia's policies in that regard. If either of you don't have anything intelligent to say, then I suggest that you stop harassing me before I take this matter further. [[User:DaveA2424|DaveA2424]] ([[User talk:DaveA2424|talk]]) 18:12, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
+:::::::::(P.S. I'm a male whose preferred pronouns are he/him, will edit the user page to clarify!) [[User:Flora Wilshire|Flora Wilshire]] ([[User talk:Flora Wilshire|talk]]) 02:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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-Arbcom was tired of people appealing their alerts, so they made them unappealable.  But the concept that they are not given for any reason is hard to follow to its logical conclusion. Should we have a notification bot that alerts every active editor to ARBEE?  When you issue alerts yourself, do you do so randomly?  [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:51, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
-:Good question and in the debates during the overhaul I strongly advocated automatic FYI alerts the moment one sticks their toe in a subject area.  After all, if the goal was to pull the fangs from these things so as to de-stygmatize them - which was the publicly articulated reasons for the change - then I believed the best way to de-stigmatize them was to make them (A) automatic and (B) ubiquitous among editors in each area.  This was shot down on technical grounds - Although some articles are obviously within a ruling's scope (e.g. [[global warming]] is obviously under ARBCC),  there are many other venues that are not obviously controlled by ARB rulings but can still play host to individual edits that are indeed subject to them.   Since there was a blurry line about qualifying venues, the auto-alert idea failed.   Randomly?  No, I hand out alerts carefully.   Wwherever I've gone (climate and US politics), when there's been conflict I usually make a list of involved editors, I strike from that list venue regulars for whom I have personal knowledge they already know about DS, and all the rest I alert starting with myself.  The last "batch" I recall alerting was during the Malheur refuge occupation.   I follow up with a note saying they're no-fault/no-shame FYI sorts of things, and I even alerted myself at (whatever diff).   I still get huffy notes on my talk page sometimes, but when I explain we've (so far) been able to get back to content BRD without muss/fuss.   [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:04, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
-::It isn't always practical (or justified) to close an AN3 case with a block even when the behavior is borderline. If the report is closed with no action, there is a risk that the problem that led to the report will continue unabated. When closing without a block, issuing an alert to one or more parties is an option for the closing admin to consider. (This is only an issue if the area is under DS).  It sounds like you would oppose even this kind of motivation for an alert. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:12, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
-:::depends... if the act injects an element of fault and/or shame, then in my view that is done in contravention of the consensus adopting the new DS standards.   On the other hand, if everyone who was mentioned in the filing and is active in the subject area also gets the notice, then that helps further the explicit goal of changing our culture s that they are viewed as no shame/no fault, which was I think the explicit consensus at the time.   I would like to add a thank you for all the hard work you put in on this boards.    The whole idea is PREVENTION, and we share that end goal.
-[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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-==Good advice for everyone==
-See [[WP:BAIT]], an essay written by one of Wikipedia's most perspicacious and insightful editors. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 20:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
-:Thanks Boris, know that one well.  If I correctly understand the specifics which inspired your remark no worries.  In my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Global_warming&diff=prev&oldid=763700314 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cohler&diff=prev&oldid=763701413 here], C is not under my skin, and I made reference to his ad hominem only to introduce the discussion of AGF and fact that evidence of bad faith can defeat it.  We have a FORUM problem, not an NPA problem.   [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
+Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
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+<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 02:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
-It's really not very gratuitous to inform someone what sort of "flavor" to expect in an ongoing series of discussions. If you check the recent histories of the editors mentioned above, you will see that there has been quite a bit of pointless drama surrounding what would, otherwise be a rather droll discussion. If that doesn't bother you one bit (it doesn't bother me any, at least not in this case), so be it. But I know quite a few editors who would rather bow out of a discussion than get involved in one that's gotten as colorful as that one, and there are pages which have been removed from my watchlist not because I lost interest but because I grew sick of the drama. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 19:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
-:At article talk, summing up the crummy behavior of other eds is still talking about behavior, and that's a failure to abide by [[WP:FOC|focus on content]].   I agree with your comment entirely, just not your choice of venue.  Said another way, if you disllke drama, then work your own remarks to do all you can to increase signal-to-noise.   At least that's what I do.  I can't tell you how many comments I type, and then let sit before posting, and when I come back to them 5 minutes later I just waste 'em because they fail this self-assessment test. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
-::You have missed my point. I tried to inform you about the nature of the discussions occurring there at the start of your recent participation. Had I wished to discuss the behavioral problems that helped (though by no means exclusively) define that nature, I would not have addressed you, but an admin. Note the lack of names named in my comment. That was intentional. It was purely to inform you of what you were getting involved in. If that conveys the appearance of impropriety to you, then so be it. My concern is not my reputation, but in the reduction of the potential for future drama, something which is not well served by alllowing an editor who is new to the current discussion to be blindsided by the rate at which baseless accusations are flying about. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
-:::For someone professing a lack of interest in drama, you're going about it in a very strange way. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 21:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
-::::More directly,
-:::::# The info you wished to communicate to a newcomer is great, and that's what ''user-''talk is for.  At article talk we [[WP:FOC|focus on content]].
-:::::# The thought is appreciated, but unnecessary.  I haven't said much lately but I'm an old hand at this article and silence doesn't mean "not reading"
-:::::# Last, if you don't want drama, just ignore stuff like whatever brought you here because pursuing this is.... well..... ''drama'' [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 22:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
-== Skeptic v. denier ==
+== About [[WP:CTOP]] and DS reform ==
-My understanding is that a ''scientific skeptic'' is one who has science backing their view. When the vast majority of science disagrees with one, then the term ''denier'' would be the correct term. "When a fact is inconvenient, try denial". [[User:Jim1138|Jim1138]] ([[User talk:Jim1138|talk]]) 08:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-:Could be, but let's keep the discussion at article talk, and based on what the RSs say.  As an aside, the SkepticalScience website founded by Cook is interesting. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:30, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
+It's so nice to see you around still! I saw you give [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASidney_Oldberg&diff=1168634340&oldid=1168563341 out an old DS notice]. You may have missed the conclusion of the recent DS reforms. The wording DS is now replaced with the more intuitive CT (contentious topic). The way notifications are done is changed in two ways too:
-==Consensus clause==
+# We only have to give a notice once per topic (no more yearly renewals)
-What should we do about it, then, short of [[:Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald Trump|ignoring its existence]]? [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
+# The very first notice somebody gets is different and has much more info. You'd use <nowiki>{{alert/first|cc}}</nowiki>, which gives you the long text you can read at {{tl|alert/first}}.
-: Since the conversation was already started at [[Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#Consensus_clause]] I'll reply there, per [[WP:MULTI]] [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
+Cheers! [[User:Femke|—Femke 🐦]] ([[User talk:Femke|talk]]) 19:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
+:Appreciate you saying hello and the howto tip.  To be honest, it was momentary relapse, only. Carry on. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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-If this is the intent, then the rest of that section should be deleted as being "weedy mud" as well.
-If the article is doing the history of who advocated the phrase "global warming" versus "global climate change," then this is this relevant.  If the article is '''not'''  doing the etymology of who used "global warming" versus "global climate change, then most of the text of the section should be deleted.
-[[User:Lulu71339|Lulu71339]] ([[User talk:Lulu71339|talk]]) 16:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
-: Hi I supplemented the quoted edit summary with a courtesy note at usertalk, but per [[WP:TPG]] and [[WP:BRD]] this conversation belongs on the article talk page so others can agree with you (or not) as well.  If you wish, you're welcome to move this entire thread including my comments to the article talk page.
-:
-:Having studied it more, and going back through versions to 2011, I still think it belongs in a sub article but now I think your edit could be restored to the section and then the entire section should be replaced.  Instead of etymology as the final section of this already dense and long article, let's do two things (A) export etymology (including your addtion of the Luntz memo) to a subarticle, and (B) insert at the top a "terminology" section, just like we did at [[Climate change]].  We could create [[Etymology of global warming]] and other destination candidates for that material might include [[Global warming controversy]], or [[Politics of global warming]] or [[Public opinion on global warming]].   See also [[WP:Main article fixation]] and the [[Talk:Global_warming/Archive_72|last time we debated the Luntz memo]] at [[Global warming]], now found in the archives.
-:
-:Thanks for shining some light on that section
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-Hey! thanks for the advise.  glad someone is reading the content!!  Made some edits...
-[[User:Let us eat lettuce|Let us eat lettuce]] ([[User talk:Let us eat lettuce|talk]]) 21:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
-:You're welcome, and though you're working hard, I'm not really impressed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_resistance&oldid=784001091 by the content].  Looks like a fairly indiscriminate catalog of loosely associated events in the news. See [[WP:What Wikipedia is not]].  I'm also not real happy with the [[WP:TITLE|article's title]] but I'm not interested enough to try to work on solutions.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
-::It's just going to get worse.  It's a sad story in our American experience.  [[User:Let us eat lettuce|Let us eat lettuce]] ([[User talk:Let us eat lettuce|talk]]) 06:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
-:::This isn't the place to try to deal with (whatever).   How about finding or starting a group to work on (whatever) in your town?   This is an encyclopedia project, and I'm not really interested in discussing current events socially.   I move my feet in real life when I want to do that. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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-The content I added to the lead was not featured in the body of the article, but I was just providing a definition of impeachment. I would say /most/ people do not know that impeachment does not constitute being removed from office. Should I add a definition in the body or what would you suggest? [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ‡'''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:#800000">ᐁT₳LKᐃ</span>]]</sub>  01:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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-:For examples see [[Efforts to impeach George W. Bush]] and [[Efforts to impeach Barack Obama]].  Notice they use the phrase, more or less, "impeach <ins>and</ins> remove from office" (paraphrased).   We could just wikilink similar text to take the reader to our best article on the impeachment process for US presidents, whatever page that is.  But I do agree that readers would benefit if we help them realize they may not realize they don't know what "impeachment" means, and then provide them with the information.  Good idea. What do you think about the wikilink idea?
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-:Instead of answering here, you're invited to just cut and paste this whole thread to the article talk page, so others can also contribute. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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+== Your Teahouse question ==
+I just saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1158#gadget_for_Efficient_copying_of_named_refs this] and it's something I'd like to have. Did you ever find an answer?— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;•  22:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
-yep, i know. answer on my talk page
-[[User:Gem fr|Gem fr]] ([[User talk:Gem fr|talk]]) 08:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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-== Project namespace ==
+== Precious anniversary ==
-It's great to finally see someone interested in helping workout the meaning of our administration pages. Been a long time since an editor seems to care about this. Would love to hear your main concerns and how they can be addressed. [[WP:RULES]] lists the types of pages with a brief explanation....we should look at this page as the start point.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 16:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
+{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Five}}
-:I'm equally impressed with your gratitude (instead of outrage) and the obvious attention you have been giving the matter over several months.  Look forward to your further comments at the thread I just started at the VPump [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Have_some_essays_unintentionally_been_given_quasi-rule_status]]. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 16:33, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
+--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
-::Did you have a different name before....you don't seem familiar and I can't believe I have not talked to you before. Your the kind of editor I love to engage with. I have written a lot of pages that link from our P/G as well as the P/G themselves. If you ever have time would love your input at [[Wikipedia:Administration]] it's a page linked from our main P/G page.....have only ever gotten 1 person to review  it. Lots look at this page and would love a good review of it. Not sure you have noticed my talk page grammar and spelling  all off....I have MS and don't bother fixings typos on talk pages as I would with articles. PS again great to meet you again if that's the case.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
-:::Why thanks!  No, I've been NewsAndEventsGuy since I got interested in editing in 2011. I only watch a few admin pages.  Mostly I pay attention to science and climate articles, some politics.  I'll take a look at it, but not promising speed.  Feel free to remind me in a month if I haven't said anything. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:34, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
-:As you can see not much interest in our problem.  Perhaps its because the current template explains things in a reasonable manner so no one really cares.  What do you think would be best....should we make a separate section for the supplemental template. ..or move it to the essay section? The only real problem I see with moving the template  to the essay section.....is that these pages  generally do supplement things in a neutral way and are edited by the community with RfC to determine there content. We are lucky that the template is hardly used. Perhaps a sub section under essays explain more about them...how they are edited by the community and detail information about a preferd method of dealing with a specific situation....yet do not have full community support or deal with a process that is just the community norm and have no need to be detailed in a policy or guideline.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
-::Yep, on different issues I've banged my head on this same wall before.  Please see the first part (above the first outdent) of [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy/BRD]]; maybe a place to start is to chart the evolution of the ideas, and organize the crumbs chronologically.  If we spend gnomish hours doing that, the result might inspire ideas, including pinging eds who cared at one time (if they are still around)  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:40, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
-::(Later) TWO-PART IDEA, goal is to resolve ambiguous status of essays and create more transparency.   First, we should make two tweaks to [[Template:Supplement]].  For starters we could change the optional parameter for naming the relevant policy(s) or guideline(s) to a ''requirement''.  Then, since we provide insturctions to only use it after strong consensus, we should require at least one link to one thread showing this consensus.   Otherwise, the "Supplement" tag should not be allowed.   Second, all essays tagged with [[Template:Guidance essay]] should undergo [[WP:USERFICATION]] after a reasonable process of notice at the relevant policy/guideline talk pages in case someone wants to advocate for elevating them to "Supplement" status.   Thereafter, [[Template:Guidance essay]] should be converted to a redir pointing at [[Template:Supplement]].  An open question is what to do with other similar essays that have no tag, but in reality if they have no tag they probably don't have any impact so who cares?   That said, I suppose people running across an obscure essay that is presently missing the "guidance essay" tag could be nominated for userfication if anyone cares enough to bother.  If we did this, we would resolve the paradoxes and contradictions we've been discussing, and ensuring "supplemental" essays really do have backing of a consensus. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 11:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
-:::UPDATE Instead of userfying "Guidance essays" that don't make the cut to "supplement" status, we could replace the "guidance essay" template with a new "Draft supplement essay" template.   Good drafts can bubble up into suppelements, bad drafts that fail to keep the community's attention eventually turn into stale drafts and become ripe for MFD. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
-:In my view Guidance essays and Supplemental essays are 2 very different things. We also dont userfy essays just because there not widely seen. Plus [[:Category:Wikipedia guidance essays]] contains both project and user pages. Your proposing alot of change when really very very few pages use the  "Supplement" tag. To be honest I am thinking of proposing a merger of templates .....drop the "Supplement" tag all together.  Not to many will go for more bureaucratic creep for pages that are not P/G.....would be very hard to convince the community to have 3 levels of pages VS the longstanding norm. Will explain more in a bit.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 18:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
-::{{Ping|Moxy}} we think in the same basic direction!  If the supplement tag gets the ax, what do you propose we do with the essays that are already tagged with it? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:30, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
-:Tag them with Template:Guidance essay.....[[:Category:Wikipedia supplemental pages]] has very few essays and would not  change there status as in there not a P/G. Some seem to think only pages linked from a  P/G have this.....certainly not the case thousands of essays not tagged as  "Supplement" are linked from P/G. As seen at [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines]].--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 18:42, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
-:: Sounds good to me, if the idea to delete template supplement comes up elsewhere I will support unless something changes my mind.[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
-== How-to template  ==
-Good proposal for the name change. This is the type of proposal that will get attention I think. Been writing on G/P/I  pages for a decade now and find that if you don't propose a solution or solutions to a precived problem the proposal goes nowhere. I was thinking of nominating  the  suplement template for merger...but noticed your taking the time to review where it's placed etc. You want me to leave it be for now?....see if others raise a concern? What your doing in reguards to changing it in places looks good to me.-[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 21:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
-: thanks, as I have spent time loading it in my brain I keep being surprised at the things I have never seen after years here and just ho much creep has crept in.   Thought we could whittle on that a bit.   I don't see vast numbers of pages linking o most of these and doubt anyone has made systematic attempt to validate the template choices. Guess my thought was to clean up the low I,pact items as much as we can and then take stock.   Expect ending the supplement tag will generate lots of strong though poorly reasoned opinions, and while I think that's a good idea it might help matters to clean up the little stuff as much as possible.   Should be a long process I would expect.  At any rate I appreciate the note, I probably would lose interest much faster than you if I found the task as lonely as you have.   Definitely pulling oars same general direction here.  Let's see how how to goes then take stock. 12:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
-::MoS has the biggest creep problem....when I first read the MoS it was only 5 or 6 pages.....now over 75. Stick around the topic of P/G/I pages....very few of us that work on these pages.....but we are all very level headed and support common sense changes by editors to these pages.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 21:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
-== [[Wikipedia:Help Project]] ==
-Instructor's Barnstar  .....great work!-[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 20:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
-:Thanks; There sure is a lot of overlap between templates and namespaces.  As you probably noticed from my contribs or otherwise, I experimented moving a couple low impact/low traffic "wikipedia how-to" pages from Wikipedia namespace to Help namespace.  That seemed to go OK so later i started moving others.  BTW, {{u|Moxy}}, is there anywhere in the rabbit hole you ''haven't'' been? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
-::lol....big hole.....perhaps time for  new reports? They be of use to you...... [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Essays/Assessment/Links]] and [[Wikipedia:Help Project/page statistics]].....will look into this in the upcoming weekend .--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 12:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
-:::Thanks, as dustballs go this housekeeping task is on the large size, for sure. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 12:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
-:::{{Ping|Moxy}}, those are great tools.  Is there a tool that will report on help namespace pages that do NOT have template Foo?  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 12:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
-:::Unfortunately no....but you can look one by one.... thousands [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=&namespace=12 special help namespace].--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-:::::::::Note to self, I'd like to suppress subpages on that tool [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 14:04, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-::::Yawn. That would be a great tool for cleanup projects [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 14:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-::::hard to keep track because of all the redirects between help and project namespace. .....that said I can delete pages if you need to move stuff....just ask.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 14:04, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-*I've always found it odd that policies and the guideline and the MSO don't have their own namespace. This would also help with searching the topics at hand and would also help distinguish pages that are official vs non-official. it has been proposed in the past but for some odd reason the community doesn't want it but yet we have a help namedspace so editors can search things easier. Wikipedia  space should be for process pages only.....but my understanding is this is just how meta software is set up all over outside Wikipedia. We are lucky that the MSO has a prefix that allows for searching.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 16:52, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
-:I think that's odd as well. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
-== re: New Pages Fee ==
-That would be one way of supporting the project, charging a fee for new pag.. oh.. never mind. :) --[[User:Loriendrew|<font color="#005000">&#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;</font>]] [[User talk:Loriendrew|<font color="#000080">&#9743;''(ring-ring)''</font>]] 01:34, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-:Huh?  Did I make a funny typo someplace? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-::Ah, indeed [[Wikipedia_talk:Page_Curation#New_Pages_Fee_-_request_more_namespace_options|I did]].  Since this is my idea, I'm willing to license it to the Foundation for 1/1000th of 1 percent royalty.  Whoooo hoooo, I'm rich!!  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:57, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-== AWB ==
-Hi, I approved your request for AWB.  Check out the [[WP:AWB/MAN|manual]] for how to use it! '''[[User:Malinaccier|<span style="color:#003153">Malinaccier</span>]] ([[User talk:Malinaccier|<span style="color:#003153">talk</span>]])''' 22:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-:Thanks! [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:16, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
-== ARB Notification ==
-Hi NAEG, is this notice here enough for a ARB warning, or do I have to use the template (can you link to it?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MarioProtIV#Your_fringe_claim_at_Hurricane_Harvey Thanks [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 17:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
-:we used to have a warning system but emphatically rejected it in about 2013 or so.   Now it is a no fault FYI "alert".   anyone can give them to anyone else as soon as the recipient makes a topical edit, even a good edit.  It's just FYI after all.   Search on "discretionary sanctions" and read the general info for details. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 22:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
-::Okay, thanks for the info, found the notification. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 22:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
-== Simply repeating the code is now what we do ==
-This seems to be a unilateral decision on your part, as I'm unaware of any discussion or consensus to repeat sections of US law verbatim. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:United_States_Flag_Code&diff=803132317&oldid=802797580 I went ahead and changed it] to "Simply repeating the code is not what we do" over at [[Talk:United States Flag Code]]. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 17:22, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
-:That's funny!  Thanks for the correction and subtle humor. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 23:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
-== Thanks for the tip on course assignment design ==
-I appreciate your comments on the course assignment I designed. I like your idea of having students post on their own talk page. I am still very new to using Wikipedia for teaching, and I'm not a contributor myself. So, I certainly have work to do to learn the norms and practices. I apologize if I caused you a headache. [[User:Ianjporter|Ian Porter]] ([[User talk:Ianjporter|talk]]) 20:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
-:No problem, and I'll be glad to help if you have specific questions.  The idea of having students graded on their ''participation'' in [[WP:dispute resolution]] has always intrigued me.  The response from other eds in a dispute is unpredicatble... some will be (or become) professional and civil if they think constructive effort is being made.  Others won't.  But of course that shouldn't matter.  Its how students deal and respond that I find pedagogically interesting.  By analogy, in a human development class I once had to parent a virtual child from gestation to age 18 over a semester.   For fun, at each chance to input a parenting decision I tried to be the most horrible parent possible, and by the end of the semester my kid was addicted to crack and had been in jail multiple times.   I was graded on assessment reports I wrote from the perspective of a case worker on the outside looking in.  That would be really interesting to do with our dispute and consensus processes.  Anyway, soapbox off.  Drop me a note here if you need additional input beyond that of the editor that's helping with your project.  You can also embed a "ping" for anyone at any talk page anywhere in the English encylopedia using the syntax <nowiki>{{Ping|UserName}}</nowiki>.  Have fun[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 22:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
-== I was contracted by an IP address out of the blue... ==
-I'm pinging a few people who may be involved with this [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yamla&diff=prev&oldid=805700669]]. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 19:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
-:To best of my recollection I haven't interacted with the IP, or the new username they flagged, and haven't talked to the old/former editor for a long time.  Good luck.  As an aside sometimes I think its easier to forget the LTA and just proceed simply with the current diffs showing (alleged) crap.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:47, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
-== Global warming is real ==
-<small>''Context, I reverted a new section at an article talk page, with edit summary saying simply "spam". I also marked the users post as 'unsigned' since their signature violates signature  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)''</small>
-Why is it spam? It’s my opinion on global warming. And that’s the truth, that is what could happen. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:IloveRumania|IloveRumania]] ([[User talk:IloveRumania#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IloveRumania|contribs]]) </small>
-:promoting external links without intending to discuss article improvements is not what we do; I'm not inclined to parse hairs over the words we use.  See [[WP:SPAM]] [[WP:TRUTH]] and [[WP:NOTHERE]] just to name a few. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
-== Move "Ice dam" to "Ice jam"? ==
-There is a discussion at [[Talk:Ice dam#Move to "Ice jam"]] to move "Ice dam" to "Ice jam". You may be interested in offering your opinion. Cheers, [[User:HopsonRoad|HopsonRoad]] ([[User talk:HopsonRoad|talk]]) 15:32, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
-== Outcome at Talk:Ice jam ==
-Hi Guy, thanks for working with me at [[Talk:Ice jam]]. I was a bit confused with your last edit, wherein you caused a lot of the record of the discussion to disappear. Was that intentional? I thought that generally one does not delete the record of discussion on a talk page and especially not what another editor wrote, per [[WP:SIGCLEAN]]. In any event, I understood you to be OK with my boldly editing the lead. Confusingly, you deleted from the discussion the portion that I thought best reflected where we were headed. I'll wait for a reply here, for a while. Absent one, I'll restore the missing text and add your most recent contribution at the end of the restored text. Cheers, [[User:HopsonRoad|HopsonRoad]] ([[User talk:HopsonRoad|talk]]) 20:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} Error on my part, thanks for calling to me attention.  I think I fixed it.  You're welcome to move/tweak my comments there to clean up if I did not fix it 100% [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 20:57, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
-==Deletion discussion==
-What is your opinion on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Steven_Goddard this AfD]? {{ping|William M. Connolley}}[[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:I answered at the AFD.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 02:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:I cannot decide. He is however often mentioned on social networks, or blogs, when discussing his denialism. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-== Pending changes reviewer granted ==
-[[File:Wikipedia Reviewer.svg|right|130px]]
-Hello. Your account has been granted the "{{mono|pending changes reviewer}}" userright, allowing you to [[WP:RPC|review other users' edits]] on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at [[Special:PendingChanges]], while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at [[Special:StablePages]].
-Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.
-''See also:''
-*[[Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes]], the guideline on reviewing
-*[[Wikipedia:Pending changes]], the summary of the use of pending changes
-*[[Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection]], the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.<!-- Template:Pending changes reviewer granted --> <br>
-[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 03:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Thanks Swarm [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 06:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-== Polar amplification ==
-Copy and paste from [[Polar amplification]]'s talk page:<br>
-:''You didn't explain why the subsection has been allowed to stand for over 4 years. That doesn't make sense; the article's been edited hundreds of times since then. YoPienso (talk) 21:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)''
-::''Sort of irrelevant, and if you're implying a lack of good faith please post to my user talk and we can discuss it there. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2018 (UTC)''
-I'm not implying a lack of good faith. Very often I have seen the argument made against removing longstanding content, with its tacit consensus, and the argument typically prevails. I think it's important to an article called "Polar amplification" to include both poles. [[User:Yopienso|YoPienso]] ([[User talk:Yopienso|talk]]) 01:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-:I do not.  Instead, I think its important for such an article to discuss ''polar amplification'' at both poles.  The disputed text in this case is stand alone text talking about projections of sea ice extent.  As I've said (more than once I think) that is a stand-alone discussion of sea ice extent, not a discussion of polar amplification (which is about temperature).  It can certainly be in articles where it would be appropriate, and if the RSs are there, and someone who knows the RSs wants to write about it, maybe it will be part of an antarctica polar amplification discussion also. But as stand alone text, its just a sea ice discussion, not a temperature discussion.  Are you volunteering?  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Re, the long-standing text wrinkle... see policy [[WP:Consensus can change]] and essay [[WP:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages#Unchallenged material (or content age)]]. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 02:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-::Yes, I know those pages. My question wasn't ''whether'' consensus can change, but ''why'' it did.
-::OK, in my mind the sea ice is so basic to amplification I saw it as the same thing. I get your point now. I was thinking of something like "Previous studies have attributed an overall weaker (or slower) polar amplification in Antarctica compared to the Arctic to a weaker Antarctic surface albedo feedback and also to more efficient ocean heat uptake in the Southern Ocean in combination with Antarctic ozone depletion" from "[https://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/8/323/2017/esd-8-323-2017.pdf The polar amplification asymmetry: role of Antarctic surface height]." Otherwise, we could redirect to "Arctic amplification," which is also used in the literature. My personal preference would be to explain that the phenomenon is far more prevalent in the Artic than the Antarctic.
-::I should probably state those ideas on the article talk page. [[User:Yopienso|YoPienso]] ([[User talk:Yopienso|talk]]) 02:36, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::Great! Please do. I don't think "weaker" is the right word, would be interested to hear the specific comparison words used by RSs.  Agree its time to move back to the article and its talk page.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 10:23, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-==Interactions with a certain user==
-=== A neutral heading ===
-<small><small>''Housekeeping, the OP called this section "stalking me" and I changed it to a neutral heading per TPG [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)''</small></small><br>
-Hi, please read [[WP:HOUND]], since you seem to follow most of my edits on the topic of climate change, and start or engage in discussion related to my edits, or revert a considerable amount of them in the past few days. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 16:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Read the entire policy section. I'll quote and bold part to call to your attention.
-:(A) From WP:HOUND,  "''The important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or to the project generally, '''for no overriding reason'''.''" The key thing here is "no overriding reason".  In my opinion, there is a higher than average rate of error in your science page contribs, so I watch to fix what I can.  Often I think you may not be following the RSs, or have a very thorough understanding of the subject, or made edits that are poorly executed in the context of other articles and text.  Examples include starting (in good faith) an article on the European heat wave when there already is one (nice job resolving that) and (in good faith but carelessly) re-reverting someone else when they appeared to delete a study you liked but you hadn't looked at the full context and so you ended up restoring the second iteration of the parpagraph plus a line with just a wikilink floating in space.   I don't watch your climate and science edits to harrass you, only to make sure our article are well written and follow the sources.  That leads us to the second criteria for being guilty of "hounding", ''<ins>doing it in a disruptive manner</ins>'' Read on...
-:(B) Also from WP:HOUND,  "'''''If.....''' following another user around is accompanied by tendentiousness, personal attacks, or other disruptive behavior,  ('''then.....''') it may become a very serious matter and could result in blocks and other editing restrictions.''"  You have not shown the existence of any sign of disruption (see [[WP:DISRUPTSIGNS]], a shortcut I created because I try hard to call people on disruption myself).  You have only said I watch your edits.  You have not shown that I do it in a disruptive way, nor "for no overriding reason".  If I were doing it to get at you personally I would watch ALL your edits, not just the ones that deal with climate related items.  You've been around a long time with many other subject areas of interest.  If I were after you personally I'd be looking up the other subjects and undoing your work there also.  Sure, you haven't been to some of these in a long time but they'd still pop up a notice that you had been reverted.   I'm not doing that am I?   I doubt you can find a pattern in my comments of even rude remarks.  Have a complaint ''beyond mere fact'' that I showed up at the same place you were and we can talk about it.  Can you find examples where you asked a reasonable question and I just blew you off?  There's probably one or two that I overlooked.  Good luck showing a pattern.
-:(C) Wrap-up..... Follow the sources, place text in proper context, write well, follow MOS, and read the surrounding text to see how it all fits together, and you'll hardly ever see me tweak your contribs.  If you want to know why I tweaked something, ask and assume good faith and I'll explain.  If you disagree, there's always dispute resolution.  I'll be glad to join you in any of those processes at your request. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:17, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
-{{od}}
-Contextual notes to self in case this becomes a bigger issue....  awhile back (after a GMO TBAN) Prokaryotes requested a block on their account in an apparent wikibreak and earlier this year requested the block be removed so they could edit again.  So far so good, once I also took a long break.  The last few days P did a lot of work done at featured article [[Global warming]].  It was fast, and there were things that needed discussion even as more edits appeared.  If I understand 3RR I could have reported P for edit warring or asked an admin to apply DS under [[WP:ARBCC]] because we both meet the technical "awareness" criteria for imposition of DS.  Instead of doing either of those aggressive things, I left what I thought was a friendly comment about paying attention to 3RR and slowing down at P's talk page.  In part, P told me to "stop interacting with me".  The thread is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AProkaryotes&type=revision&diff=852810812&oldid=849243966 here].   [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 17:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
-{{od}}
-This is a weird complaint. P edits popular articles that you've been editing for ages; so obviously you'll notice. And a complaint that you engage in discussion is double-weird; that's generally considered good [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 06:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Thanks William. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 12:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
-===Climate doom===
-Recent article [https://grist.org/article/terrified-by-hothouse-earth-dont-despair-do-something here] outlines coverage of media in regards to new PNAS Steffen et al. study, there are many other discussions along the way, including from scientists, media, and in the public. My idea is to create a new article along the lines of [[Climate doom]]. What do you think? [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 12:52, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Good name for a personal blog maybe, but it would take a fair bit of persuasion that "climate doom" passes our naming policy (see [[WP:NPOVTITLE]]).  Apparently we've both been reading a lot of the coverage of the Steffen paper.  The particular one you cite here ([https://grist.org/article/terrified-by-hothouse-earth-dont-despair-do-something/ "Terrified by ‘hothouse Earth’? Don’t despair — do something"]) is from Grist, which reads to me like a fair bit of opinion from the Grist author laid on top of the scientific content of the Steffen paper.  This body of writing, coupled with the extreme weather and fires, can easily lead some to feel a sense of doom, but we still have to be neutral about it.
-:I suggest bifurcating this into climate science and mental health.
-:The best places to cover the content of the Steffen paper are [[climate change feedback]] and [[runaway climate change]] with shorter mentions elsewhere that include wikilinks back to those two articles.  If you haven't already woven Steffen into [[Paris Agreement]] and [[climate change mitigation]] those are a couple possibilities.
-:Then there's the mental health side.  An article begging to be created is [[Ecological grief]], see [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0092-2 paper in Nature]. That article should include a few lines about the quandary I've often seen mentioned - should we talk up just how bad some say things are, or is doing that ultimately self-defeating in terms of advancing societal change and mitigation policy?  This is a question others are asking and I'm not suggesting we have a discussion about this, only that I've seen that mentioned in many places.  It wasn't something I was working on and I didn't compile a bibliography.  If research finds this dilemna in real RSs, as opposed to blogs and the like, then it would be good to develop text on that somewhere, including summary and pointer links at places like [[politics of global warming]], [[ecological grief]], [[public opinion on global warming]], [[climate change mitigation]]. Etc.
-:But to the original question, I doubt "climate doom" would survive the inevitable challenge unless going in you had compiled a lot of unquestionably reliable sources to meet the subjective threshold test in [[WP:NPOVTITLE]].   But adding the 'doom' part as an element of [[ecological grief]] and the scary projections as part of the climate science articles would allow you to proceed on the content, without a battle from the skeptics. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 13:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
-::Along these lines, you could also look for sufficient RSs to create an article for the book "[[Gwynne_Dyer#Books|Climate Wars]]" [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 14:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
-::: Yes, climate doom was just a pointer, could be also [[Climate despair]], if you google these two words, lots of results. Currently not sure how much time I have for Wikipedia, will keep thinking about this topic. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 15:24, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::: Googling is helpful to see what terms are popular, but doesn't really matter that much. See [[WP:GOOGLETEST]] [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 15:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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-See [https://grist.org/article/terrified-by-hothouse-earth-dont-despair-do-something/ this] Social media is nice, but probably lacks the mental health benefits of being in a local group, where there is face time.  Exerpt
-::"In a tweet, Diana Liverman, a climate scientist and co-author of the paper called out the media directly:  “Clearly people aren’t reading the paper we wrote where our point is exactly that Hothouse Earth is not our destiny and that social system feedbacks are starting to move us to the Stable Earth. But media goes for worst case and makes it sound certain.”[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 02:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-===Semantics===
-I have to confess, I like your attention to semantics, little details. However, the study you recently cited, is from February 2018, thus not responding to latest Rockström - the new PNAS study which is the subject of that part. And they made an outrages claim, that he was devoid of scientific data. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Thanks, and while you were leaving this, I actually compared the lead text in [[Planetary boundary]] to the source you added to resolve the CN and .... they did NOT match.  Amazing what happens when one actually reads the sources, or at least skims.  Beware of [[confirmation bias]]. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:: The feedbacks in the scripture, are the climate feedbacks.... feedbacks mentioned under section title ''climate change''.[[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-::: What scripture?  Koran?  Bible?  Torah?  I have no idea what you are talking about[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 01:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::: [https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=iss_pub The paper you mentioned above], you actually read. Twenty four mentions of feedback, explicit referring to specific climate feedbacks, such as the [[ice-albedo feedback]]. Anyway, added the reference directly now. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-===Self published===
-It's not self-published. The report is a high profile compilation on IPCC, Risks, in this particular content addition, the report cites study results from Naomi Oreskes, who published on this very topic. Also from SPB guide, "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field" - this report is from the experts. ... [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 00:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Wrong spot.  Post to article talk. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 00:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-===Claims===
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-Please stop making claims on various talk pages that I violate NPOV with my edits, or similar. I have read your input in this regard, and I disagree with your conclusions. I look forward to keep working with your critical input on various climate related topics, but continued claims of guideline violations are on the verge to disrupt the consensus finding process. You can always ask me to provide reliable sourced references for my commentary. Thank you. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 16:07, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:What if it's true?  You've already barred me from talking behavior at your talk page. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-::Given the amount of discussions we had on talk pages over the years there might be actually evidence which can be construed as being in violation of NPOV terms. However, I usually do not post my personal opinions, and my article space edits should reflect that very clearly, since these are usually uncontroversial peer reviewed studies, or show results from all actors (IPCC, Critical of IPCC, mainstream ...). And yes fine, post on my talk page if needed. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 18:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::Are you ''certain'' that in your heart of hearts you're not approaching climate edits with a "We're fucked if we don't wise up" sort of inner panic, and hope for aggressive policy action?  My impression of your GMO topic ban makes me think you kinda shifted the same vibe to a new issue.   Even if the answer is yes, that's not evidence of POV violations all by itself.   But I suppose it would make it a LOT harder to walk the line. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:27, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-::::What makes you think that my climate edits constitute, "We're fucked if we don't wise up sort of inner panic"? [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 18:36, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::::Since this isn't AE and I'm not seeking admin review, I don't believe a careful contrib assessment would be especially constructive here.  Instead I will just observe that if I'm talking smack my comments should make me sound like a weirdo.   If they hurt, then remember the adage ''where there's smoke there's often fire''.  In the latter case, the better question is one for you... "How would another editor get that impression from my edits?" [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 18:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::::: Climate science is a fast evolving topic, and projections got more dire in recent years in regards to potential outcomes, and time scales. Thus, it is understandable if someone not following too closely on various topics, that things may sound dramatic or very alarming. However, you should always look at the sources, read author names, journal entries, abstracts or entire reports, or even google the topic, if in doubt - and before you brand someone as alarmist. But the bottom line is that the climate sciences are alarming, but it is something entirely different to claim we are fucked. I hope this clarifies your concerns and we can return to more constructive community editing. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 19:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-::::::: Thanks for confirmation you yourself are alarmed when you read the sources.  I thought your diffs showed this quite clearly and it does help to have that honest self assessement on the table.  Alone this doesn't show POV problems but its a piece of that puzzle. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:25, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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-:::::: And I would appreciate the next time you think an edit is too controversial or alarming, ask me on talk to provide more background informations. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 19:15, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-::::::: Return to top of thread. Do not pass go.  Do not collect $200. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::::::: I did not wrote that I am alarmed (the sciences are alarming, this according to leading climate scientists), but yes I am alarmed too, but I try to not have this influence my edits because of it. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 19:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-::::::::: 19:12 above "''the bottom line is that the climate sciences are alarming''"   Reminder to self - When the well is known to be dry stop digging. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 19:54, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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-== Global warming sourcing ==
-Hey [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]], noticed your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_warming&type=revision&diff=853121248&oldid=853118996 revert] from a while back on the Global warming page and had a question.
-In your summary I saw that you moved the info to the [[Effects of global warming]] page, but you also said "Just one single study". I was just curious, what kind of sourcing do you seek out for global warming, climate change and related issues? Any particular outlets you keep an eye on? Thanks! [[User:PcPrincipal|PcPrincipal]] ([[User talk:PcPrincipal|talk]]) 15:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
-:Good questions, thanks.  As you probably know, complex topics on Wikipedia are organized in something of a tree, with a main article, and then some "main" sub-articles, which themselves might be fleshed out in sub-sub-article and even sub-sub-sub-articles.  At the top articles, its preferred to have high quality [[WP:SECONDARY]] sources.  These might include "literature review" articles in the professional journals, or quality media, and best are the ones that summarize a lot of scientific work.  Its really tempting to add the latest soundbite from the latest paper that catches our fancy, and at main articles some of us - including me - try to keep that to a minimum because it makes for very disjointed and rapidly-dated writing.  I'm not sure if this will really answer your questions, but here goes.... one can approach GW wikipedia editing in at least two ways.  On the one hand, you watch headlines in something like GoogleNews and GoogleScholar and in fits of [[WP:RECENTISM]] try to shoehorn in the tag lines as they appear in search engines or social media.  The other and far better way is to ''read'' our articles, and where you find a nuance that isn't explained very well start researching that nuance and propose a paragraph or two (or an article!) to improve our coverage of that little piece.  If you do the latter you might be looking at old sources as well as new ones.  An area where we are really weak is [[Climate security]].  That article is begging for well-written cohesive overhaul.   Hope that helps!  If you want to ask again, or ask something else, please do.  [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#top|talk]]) 16:58, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
-::Thank you very much! I was not aware of WP:RECENTISM, that will be quite helpful to investigate further. Certainly makes sense given what you said about "rapidly dated writing". Thanks for you response and help! [[User:PcPrincipal|PcPrincipal]] ([[User talk:PcPrincipal|talk]]) 15:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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-About [[User talk:SMcCandlish#General sanctions|this]]: That sounds quite reasonable to me.  I think I would spin it differently than you pitched it, by focusing on lack of process in the one (and the confusion and drama that can cause), and us having a model for the process in the other, so let's apply the latter to the former.  Something like that.  And now back to my wikibreak. [[Special:Contributions/2601:643:8300:C96D:CD15:305A:C81B:4798|2601:643:8300:C96D:CD15:305A:C81B:4798]] ([[User talk:2601:643:8300:C96D:CD15:305A:C81B:4798|talk]]) 02:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
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