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Mohsin17 (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, since it was you who blocked User:Kurzon for edit-warring on Mafia 3 weeks ago, I thought I could inform you directly: he has just violated again the 3RR in the same page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mafia&action=history). I hope he will be blocked for the 4th time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.70.92 (talk) 11:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked both of you. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:02, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, I am here for precaution: tomorrow at 11:55 Kurzon's block will end and I bet my head that he will restart the edit war on Mafia. As he did just after his last block had ended. I will not take part in any edit war, do not worry. I would just like you to explain to me what to do in that case. Shall I report him here? Elsewhere? Am I allowed to undo his reverts once/twice or not at all? Can I make a "compromise" and let him remove the Brithsh and American English IPAs leaving on the article just the Italian one (this solution is the most used in all Wiki articles about Italian words used in English)? Let me know how to act correctly, please, I do not want to suffer the second block (actually I do not understand why I was blocked if I did not break the 3RR and came here expressly to signal him who did, but I do not care any more by now). Please answer by tomorrow morgning, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.68.142 (talk) 13:25, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see, as I told you yesterday, the 1st thing User:Kurzon has done after the end of his 2 weeks block was restarting the edit war which he had been blocked twice for, reverting the last edits and removing again the IPAs. What shall we do now? What can I do? And can you do anything about that? I hope you may answer soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.31.205 (talk) 13:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You know, perhaps you may also answer when I ask you a question about the edit-warrior I report instead of answering only to tell me I'm blocked after reporting him, that would be kind MSGJ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.71.40 (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know that Marmiras (talk · contribs) returned to vandalizing Warsaw. He hasn't learned a thing in spite of your 24 hour block for the same edit war, and the new template warnings from others. Thanks in advance,[1] Poeticbent talk 17:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Martin. I wanted to ask you to review a block you recently placed on Roscelese (talk · contribs) for violating WP:3RR. It seems evident to me that she was reverting a glaring WP:BLP violation: the other editor was repeatedly inserting contentious and potentially defamatory claims about a living person into her biography, using only an extremely poor-quality partisan source which exists principally to promulgate political smears. Actually, I'll go further: Johnpacklambert was adding blatant and defamatory falsehoods to the article, which Roscelese was removing. As such, I think it would appropriate to unblock Roscelese with a note that she was properly removing a BLP violation, rather than engaging in a forbidden form of edit-warring. (Frankly, people who remove egregious BLP violations like that one deserve a pat on the back and a barnstar, rather than a block, in my view). I am minded to unblock her on these grounds, since removing BLP violations is a specific exception to WP:3RR, unless you object in which case I would be happy to discuss further. Thanks. MastCell ^Talk 23:43, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Based on your comments at WP:ANEW, which I just noticed, I went ahead and unblocked since it sounded like you were OK with this if another admin looked at the situation in more detail. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks again. MastCell ^Talk 00:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, thanks for letting me know. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just found that with this edit to Template:WP1.0, you have set it so that |class= is recognised by the taskforces, but not by the main template. See for example Talk:International Court of Justice where all the project banners have |class=c, and all of them show "(Rated C-class ..." except for Wikipedia Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Was that intentional? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can't say I remember much about that edit five years ago ;) Based on this diff I'd say it was intentional but I can't say why now at this stage. When converting these banners the aim was generally to replicate the banner's previous behaviour. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to ask: Do pings work in "Wikipedia:" namespace? i.e. is it of any use if I used pings in WP:ANEW or WP:ANI? Fleet Command (talk) 11:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I got your ping on ANEW. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. We often use them at WP:VPT. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Very sorry that I look like such an unscrupulous editor to you. I am trying to get better, you know, not to perceive angry mastodons. Fleet Command (talk) 07:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I've been working on a tool to search for revisions that contain hashtag, for editathons and other tags. What would you think about adding hashtags to Gadget-defaultsummaries.js? It would make it much easier to count (or find) revisions later, as an added bonus. I'm curious what you think. Stephen (talk) 07:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

hi MSGJ, there's a note about your original 151.x range ip block expiring in an hour but extended by another admin (ohnoitsjamie) on his own initiative because there's no rule on wikipedia about blocking users who made more than 1 unblock request after not being answered. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=689164654&oldid=689162959 i've started that disussion on admins' page because my ip range, very common in northern italy, is the same you blocked and the other admin extended, so please read our conclusions about cancelling the block extension, thank you in advance.Centocinquantuno (talk) 11:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear to me that Centocinquantuno is the same user that was originally targeted with the range block, and I'm not the only editor who suspects that. He made a big fuss on three different IPs about getting unblocked quickly so he could edit something. I extended the block for misuse of the unblock template, so he created an account, made a fuss on ANI, and has yet to do what original edit he was so excited about making. I don't see any activity from that IP range other than the now-protected Mafia article or the recent unblocks. I don't care much either way; the protection on Mafia can easily be extended as necessary to prevent further disruption from anons, and a named account can easily be blocked if necessary. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

i'm answering each one of your objections against me, don't worry:

• abour being the original troll: i feel offended, and i've already written in the admins' discussion page, to be likened to the cause of my problems! but you start from me being a liar and guilty, to respect the famous "assume good faith", don't you? let's try reasoning together: if i was that troll, why would i wait till 2 days from the end of the week block to make an unblock request? and why would i care about what you're saying here right now, trying to restore my dignity, instead of getting back trolling somewhere? unlike you, i've respected the famous "assume good faith", as you can read on the other page, but according to your today's behaviour maybe i'd be wrong to continue believing that... and also, i've replied to Samir, i've written on his talk page inviting him to join back the discussion too, he didn't do that, instead i've clarified his doubts about my supposed double identity answering his demurs about our similar writing styles, you're free to read by yourself if you've got time. oh, i've almost forgot about this: can i insert a similar link too? here
• about the fuss i made: let's suppose you receive a fine at home. the name is yours, but the identity was mistaken. you go to the police to complain about the mistake, and they fine you again because you annoyed them. obviously, you'll make absolutely no fuss at all, right? if i'd still been following the "assume good faith", i'd bet you won't make. but let's go to the core of the problem: it was no longer the first block which i complained about at the beginning and which i and most users and admins considered a bad solution to the problem, it was your misuse (now i'm actually starting to think it was an abuse), your extending the block because i made 3 identical unblock requests since i didn't receive an answer in almost 6 hours. maybe you were really in a hurry, maybe you really were already stressed, we're both humans, but your today's reactions make me think differently. i woke up a morning and i found my full range blocked and nobody answering my unblock requests: did i have to shut up, or even to avoid making any request?
• about Mafia: i'm not going to edit that page since i've got no interest at all, if i'd had any i could have created another account the same day of the block in order to edit it 4 days later since now it's being protected. obviously, i can't guarantee for the troll, but on your opinion it's me, according to "assume good fate"... well, i'm happy you're scrolling recent changes hoping to see my edits, looking for a 151.20.x user, maybe someone's already editing wikipedia. actually i had no urgency to edit anything, i still don't have any, i just tried correcting an error on an article about italian switzerland and realised i couldn't, and since i thought that block was useless and exceeding i made the requests. now, no wikipedia tonight, just friends, i'll come back whenever i'll like to.

for me, this ends here. have a good day! Centocinquantuno (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, you closed this EW report as "no violation". Could you please explain your reasoning? The Temple Mount article falls under ARBPIA and is therefore under a 1RR restriction. The same goes for the other article I reported there and the two from a couple of week ago I warned him about. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was just coming here to ask the same questin . You seem to be under the impression that an edit that removes some longstanding content is not a revert. Well, for your education, since you did ask for examples and precedence, I was blocked for doing just that: [2] Here come the Suns (talk) 23:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The ZUDE page has been incorporated on Wikipedia for at least 7 years without any trouble. Now it is under attack because it demonstrates relevant information about Zude the Scott Dresden and Jeff Brown, dissident shareholders, would like to see removed. I cannot currently edit the page to remove the deletion notice or make any changes since the page is frozen to all until the 16th. All help here is greatly appreciated.Srepetti (talk) 14:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the proposed deletion notice as you have contested it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:15, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to nominate Zude for deletion but that article is locked and I can't add the subst:afd1 tag. Let the debate happen and a decision be made. At best we get a stronger, relevant article, at worst an irrelevant marketing article gets removed. I would argue that zude has relevance, but not for the reason the article owner wishes. However looking at the article 1/3 of the current citations are self attributions or to sources that are social media outlets controlled by the article owner. The article itself reads largely like marketing and contains no citations until the pre-launch section. The boston.com citation doesn't even reference Zude. Additionally it doesn't meet Audience, the remaining citations are media of limited interest and circulation (trade). Citation 5 (eweek)refers to Social Mix, an article that was already deleted as not notable, even then it was in a list and a passing mention, Also it conveniently misrepresents itself, Zude wasn't called the "Coolest Technology". The article has a certain Truthiness that really doesn't stand to even cursory scrutiny.

If that's not acceptable then I'd say that the article creator needs to remain hands off and allow the community of editors to improve the article under the guidelines. If the article createor is unwilling to do that then I again suggest that the article is marketing and/or notable only to the author creator and be deleted. Tomtasget (talk) 13:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the response on User talk:NeilN — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This is interesting. What would you suggest I do in this situation? What does "don't let yourself get riled up" mean, exactly? I was careful to stop short of 3RR this time; is that what you mean?
There has been no sanction here, and, based on the non-result of my similar ANI complaint in August, I'm not optimistic about action in this matter. This is what I meant when I said ANI is a waste of time.
What mental adjustment is required for me to continue at Wikipedia? That WP:CONSENSUS isn't really as important as its policy status implies?
There is nothing ambiguous or subjective about a situation like this one. It is not a matter of perspective. One editor is committed to an orderly process, the other is clearly not. Full stop. That should be the main criterion, and it currently is not.
The community currently bends over backwards to avoid driving off chronic disrupters in the name of editor retention, with no regard for the more mild-mannered editors being driven off (or never starting in the first place) by those disrupters and the toxic environment they create. Unless this changes, Wikipedia is doomed in my opinion. The active editor count will continue to decline until this star burns out. Or, there will be no one left but the disrupters, the ones who have a stomach for a fight, perhaps even thrive on fights. Either outcome will be very sad, and so avoidable. 72.198.26.61 (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Time after time after time, as outlined in my report, the user demonstrated cluelessness about editing process. All one has to do is read with an open mind. My claims are easy to verify; it's all there in the record. A consensus is void because he wasn't involved in the discussion? Seriously? Being open to a new consensus, per policy, requires actively seeking an acceptable compromise solution with the other editor? And the fact that I find no compromise acceptable means I'm not really open to a new consensus? Really?? Since arguments should be policy-based, I can simply declare that my proposed edit is per policy X, and there is no need to seek consensus about that? I don't think so.
Now, I don't fault anyone for a lack of editing competence. We're all newborn babies when we start editing, and it takes years to learn and comprehend all this stuff. I avoid areas including BLP and copyright because I know I lack competence there, and I sometimes violate something in those areas and need to be corrected. I do fault someone for consistently responding to constructive criticism/correction with knee-jerk anger and aggressiveness, making disputed edits without consensus, causing ongoing disruption. I fault someone for viewing WP:CONSENSUS as nothing but a weapon some editors use to prevent them from doing their righteous work in an article. I fault someone for consistently bobbing and weaving in a discussion, repeatedly missing points and twisting others' words. This kind of behavior is unacceptable and should not be tolerated, but it routinely is tolerated. Most of us are adults and we should be required to behave like adults, not like petulant six-year-olds (actually, most of us have seen better behavior in six-year-olds than much of what is currently tolerated at Wikipedia). Few of these people behave this way in real life; they do it here because they know they can get away with it here. It's past time that changed.
There are a few very experienced editors who tend to frequent the same kind of articles as I do, and who I respect and try to learn from and emulate. They are among the survivors, and I want to learn how they have survived. I've made an attempt to observe how they respond to editors like this one. Invariably, their response is to leave the article, temporarily or permanently, so they don't have to deal with it, just letting the editor do whatever they want. That's why I was left to deal with it alone, resulting in a 3RR+1 violation. I am not able to walk away like that, and I will have no choice but to leave the project if that is in fact the only solution.
Thank you for reading, if in fact you have done so. 72.198.26.61 (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have read it, and reflecting on an appropriate response. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

personal life last paragraph the should be they thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.25.106.233 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be done? But use the talk page for these requests in future please. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:47, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You responded to the edit warring report I submitted yesterday, and you asked if I was willing to learn from @Popcornduff:, and I am. In fact, I already have learned a lot from PCD. Since encountering PCD on WP my edits have vastly improved, as they often used to be overdone and sometimes a little off. For each successive edit I've tried to do on the Under the Skin page, I've made it cleaner and more relevant, and in each one I have tried to modify to make more in line with PCD's critiques of my edits. We disagree on our interpretation of the policy on interpreting plots, but I've almost totally stopped trying to put in the kind of content PCD objects to.

You also let me know about PCD's WP experience, and I do respect that. In my first warring report I said that, "personally I think most of his reverts and excisions that I've seen are good, and that he does protect many sites from illegitimate and unproductive additions. My first edit of Under the Skin was ill advised, and my first points on the talk page were overbearing, and I’m sure this did not help the situation ... Popcornduff is a much, much more dedicated, prolific, and decorated editor than me, but the two of us are enmeshed in a long term power struggle." Capuchinpilates (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Capuchinpilates has now posted a sort of call to arms on the Ex Machina talk page, pinging dozens of editors to the page. This strikes me as excessive and disruptive, but I'm not sure how to respond to it. Maybe it's harmless. Or is it WP:CANVAS? I'm not sure. Popcornduff (talk) 06:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I wanted to discuss the recent block you placed on my account. You'll note that I didn't appeal the block, but there is reason for that. I wanted to ask why you felt it was necessary to block at that point? I had already stated that I had "disengaged" from the dispute and was making no further edits to the page in question. I had even posted to ANI about the multiple edits. So obviously there was no further "disruption" to project on my part necessitating the block for protection of the project, so... was it punitive? Further, I'd like to know why you would not permit me to participate in either the ANI or the AN:EW that I was currently a part of? They have since been closed and I never had an opportunity to contribute. Lastly, I would like you to show me exactly what diffs you relied on to initiate the block. Thank you. - ^theWOLFchild 20:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll make the following comments:

• Just because you have temporarily (or permanently) disengaged from an edit war on a particular page does not mean that the block is necessarily punitive.
• This was not your first block for edit warring, so it does not follow that a warning (rather than a block) would have a positive effect on your long term conduct as an editor.
• I counted five or six reverts on Talk:Skyfall. As WP:3RR is supposed to be a "bright-line rule", some might argue that it would be remiss not to block you.
• I attempted to treat both sides of the edit war equally. It would not be fair or defensible to block one side and not the other. So it was all or none.
• I didn't see any request by you to participate in the discussion on ANI or AN/EW.
• The diffs are all in the history of the Skyfall talk page. I see no benefit to reproducing them here.

I don't have much more to add. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, in this in case it certainly appears punitive. You yourself confirmed I had disengaged, therefore there was no further disruption to protect the project from with your block.
• It is my first block for edit warring, as a matter of fact.
• Again, show me the specific edits you relied on to initiate the block. Just saying there were "five or six" is not enough.
• Attempting to "treat both sides equally" is admirable in other pursuits, but silly here. Not all sides are equally culpable.
• I was blocked... what about that don't you get? It was MY ANI. What about that don't you get. The AN:EW named ME. What about that don't you get?
• Of course you don't. Because if you made a illegitimate block, then it certainly would not suit you to go over the details, would it? Well, just the same, I would like to go over them.
• You do have more to add, starting with the diffs I requested. Regards. - ^theWOLFchild 07:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you're angry, but being aggressive with me is not going to resolve anything. You are welcome to review of my actions at an appropriate place, but I recommend you move on. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Angry? Aggressive? Not in the least. What is obvious is that these questions are making you very uncomfortable, but that's not my problem. But nothing in my comments indicates that I'm "angry". If you want anger, just look at the other editors you blocked, and the ongoing onslaught of insults, profanity and other obnoxious comments. I however, patiently waited until the block was done, and now I just want some answers. You blocked me from editing and I would like you to explain why. I'm not sure what "appropriate place" you're referring to, but I will not "move on". Though that would clearly suit you, it does not me. You are the blocking admin... WHY is it now so difficult for you to clarify exactly why you blocked me? - ^theWOLFchild 15:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing to add to my previous comments. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that? Why do you refuse to explain your block? - ^theWOLFchild 17:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Firstly, Martin was wrong for blocking people when no actual breach had occurred, we know that, although never in a month of Sundays is he going to admit it, especially to you or I. Cassianto^Talk 13:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Per WP:TPO, do not remove my comments. Cassianto^Talk 13:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Per WP:OWNTALK, I'll remove any that I choose to ;) Especially inflammatory comments intended to increase drama rather than decrease it. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Per WP:TPO, do not remove my comments. - Cassianto - BAH-HA!! Now that's hilarious! - ^theWOLFchild 14:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per Admin Accountability; Administrators are accountable for their actions involving administrator tools, and unexplained administrator actions can demoralize other editors who lack such tools. Subject only to the bounds of civility, avoiding personal attacks, and reasonable good faith, editors are free to question or to criticize administrator actions. Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed.

So, can we please just get on with this and get it over with? - ^theWOLFchild 10:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you shut up then? Cassianto^Talk 17:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You lost. Get over it already. - ^theWOLFchild 17:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]