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Hi English Peasant, I'd like to address some perceived concerns. The reason I spoke out regarding Mario1987's ban is due to the fact that while he has not always observed policies nor always been accurate in his endeavors, he has shown a will to better the project and has sworn never again to abuse sock puppets, which is the actual reason he was banned. While my personal inclination was to deny this as being motivated by saying whatever is necessary to avoid a ban, I thought it necessary to assume good faith, as per Wikipedia policy. I assure you that I shall be watching him intently, and I've chatted with the unbanning admin regarding him, so if he slips up he'll be done forever.

When I say "return to productive editing." I was trying to be encouraging, and was only supporting the edits that comply with Wikipedia policy. While the user has behaved in a questionable manner in the past, I'd encourage you to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until he messes up again, as it'll be his last time. Anyway, I hope this clears up some issues. Cheers! --Liempt (talk) 08:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, first of all thanks for working hard on south american footballers stubs, you're doing a great job (as usual!). As far as the Paraguayan statistics I'm afraid that RSSSF will be your best bet for finding caps and goals at the national team level. As far as club level you just won't find anything, believe me, I've tried so hard to find statistics for Paraguayan players with no luck. The only info I can come up with when creating articles are DOBs and career clubs (usually by Googling or from Diario ABC Color). Regards. Bruno18 (talk) 17:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EP, I just thought I'd give you this little back-and-forth from my talk page so you don't get blind-sided or anything like that:

Sorry to bother but could you please tell me where can i report an user who keeps harassing me about football player articles i've created because he keeps telling me that the articles are misleading, innacurate and other things like that. He sent me many messages and i left a message back to him to erase them all if he is not satisfied, he added PROD tags to many articles and other users didn't agree with him but he dosen't give up. Recently i found this message on a talk page.

I know that my past actions were regretable but this user is just incredible. I hope you can help me. Regards Mario1987 18:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want i can provide many more links to talk pages where the user keeps attacking me. Mario1987 18:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mario. While you have a couple options at your disposal for dealing with repeated abuse, I'd like to suggest a few things first. While a personal attack is a very serious matter, I think it's important to note that English peasant has the best interest of the project at heart, and is simply trying to stay within the guidelines for notability and factual accuracy. While it could be argued that he does so with too much fervor, I believe there are alternatives to reporting him at this stage. One of his major issues was factual accuracy; What I would do in this circumstance is, instead of treating it as an attack against me, treat it as constructive criticism. If I were sure that my articles were factual, in spite of his claim to the contrary, the logical thing to do is reference them! I think in this manner you two could possibly play off each other to build up a strong stream of well referenced articles.

Another major complaint of his is notability. I personally see people who make complaints about the notability of articles as people dedicated to maintaining the quality of the encyclopaedia. When an article of yours goes up for deletion, I'd simply wait for the community decision. If your articles are truly notable, odds are that they shall remain in Wikipedia, as several of them already have. As for these percieved negative comments towards you, I'd suggest honestly to rise above it and ignore them. Try to avoid becoming personally affected and hostile yourself, and keep in mind that many people, including yourself, do questionable things with the quality of the project in mind.

If, after all this, you still feel it necessary to take further action, you have several options at your disposal, most of them within the dispute resolution process. Consider informal mediation or contacting a third party to give a hand. If an attack is extremely disruptive (such as a physical threat or whatever) you have the option of reporting the abuser to the administrator's noticeboard, but I would strongly advise against this as immediate fighting after the release of a ban is not going to look good for you, further, I don't think he really deserves to be reported in any way shape or form. If you're still interested, consider reading the no personal attacks policy, don't call the kettle black and assume good faith

Good luck! I hope you two can resolve your dispute peacefully and work together to build strong football articles, something you both obviously want to do!--Liempt (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope he takes my suggestions to heart. Good luck!--Liempt (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I've created this article about former FC Nantes player and coach Ángel Marcos, who was quite successful in France. But I'm not sure of his Argentine clubs/years played/apperances and goals. Could you have a look at the article and correct it if needed, as you seems to love Argentine football.(I understand, many great Argentine players came to France...)Thanks!--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!Thanks for improving the article about Angel Marcos! I noticed that it was very hard to find datas about Argentine players, that's a shame, however you can ask me datas for any Argentine player stats in France. No problem, I will ask you to help me when needed, I have some players in my sight...Keep up the good work!--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll follow your advice from now on. Do you happen to be an admin? Because I need help in removing the second names in Ezequiel Carlos Maggiolo and Gonzalo Rubén Bergessio articles. Greets. --Fache (talk) 21:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well, there was a good link in the spanish version of the article, http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/estgim.html

I'll try to find some others good links with statistics.

Bye --Tincho gelp (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. I just found this site a day ago, so I was hoping it would give a reliable source for appearances and goals in a few leagues that are difficult to find (e.g., Argentina, Greece and Portugal). It appears that the site only has tracked the past few seasons and some of the data is slightly different than other sources (e.g., ESPNsoccernet). That said, I think most of the data is accurate and it gives me a chance to find data on some players which I could not otherwise. Thank you for the note and best regards. Jogurney (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you know something about colombian football, you must know that the names Atlético Junior and Independiente Santa Fe are absolutely false and wrong, because it was the old names of current Corporación Deportiva Popular Junior and Santa Fe Corporación Deportiva.

You can see it at http://www.dimayor.com.co/club_junior.htm and http://www.dimayor.com.co/club_santafe.htm

Thanks.

--Kok13 (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you examine your articles on Argentine football players you see words like 'impressive' , 'legend' and 'extraordinary' so to remove any words about Asprilla, clearly an outstanding player is ridiculous. As for the comment on Redondo it was linked to an article (i.e - sourced) so clearly its not only my point of view that he was exceptional. In fact he is one of the best Argentine players of the past 20 years in my view. So basically its pathetic, if you are going to be accusing of no NPOV then first look at your own articles. --JB 16.14pm 13/04/08

Accusing people of Hypocricy isn't going to help if you can't point me to a particular edit of mine stating anything like "greatest ever", "excellent", "brilliant skills" etc. Even though many of the players I write about are in my opinion legendary and excellent, I try to write about them in terms of facts and achievements, not my own point of view. I am not responsible for how other people edit the articles I create afterwards, If I see anyone adding superlatives or speculation I always remove it. This project is meant to be an encyclopaedia, not a sports magazine. English peasant 12:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Instead, in order to meet Wikipedia:NC#Sports_teams, the articles can be named Santa Fe C.D. or Santa Fe CD and the other as Junior de Barranquilla, not Independiente Santa Fe or Atlético Junior because it was the former names of the clubs. ¿Or you name New York Red Bulls as Metrostars or Torino F.C. as Torino Calcio? It's the same mistake. --Kok13 (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not make perssonal argues in this discussion, I understand the Wikipedia Politics and also I know that the names Atlético Junior and Independiente Santa Fe are false and wrong, no matters what google says. Wikipedia coud have a sue about this... --Kok13 (talk) 17:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the club has a new website at www.santafecd.net, but I agree that the English media (and www.conmebol.com) have not changed their identification of the club. Perhaps we should go with the name Club Santa Fe that is used by www.dimayor.com.co ([1]). I think that may be a common enough name that it can cover Independiente and the current iteration of the club. In any case, a RM is probably the best way to move forward. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the helpful note. I usually try to populate the categories I start, but often get distracted and move on to something else (a bad habit, I know). As you say, populating the categories is a good way to find articles that need help, and I'll try to do a better job of populating any new ones before I forget about them (like I did with San Luis footballers). I've never used the ____ international footballers categories before, but I see they are useful and will add them to the relevant articles. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don';t know if your interest spans other countries in south america, but some of the biggest football stars in Venezuela are still red linked. Would you be interested in adding a few stubs, Venezuela national football team for instance doesn't have any players covered hardly at all ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah where are you working? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 08:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, its fine - hitting the delete button on various crap can be very therapeutic :) Plus, from what I've seen, I think you'd make a great admin. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great work on taking the initiative. Selecciones de la Vida (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The guy never played for Treviso, he does not play in Italy any longer. And I really failed to find out more about him, it seems like there's no track of him since he left Treviso this summer. Personally I think the subject fails WP:N per lack of reliable and significant third-party sources, and I didn't even find some evidence he actually played a professional game. --Angelo (talk) 09:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then let's have a try with WP:PROD (that's what I did just now). --Angelo (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry to importunate you, but do you have any informations about Aníbal Tarabini who played at 1966 FIFA world cup, in order to create a stub. He played for AS Monaco from 1973 to 75 (13 matches, 5 goals), but all French sources say that he was born on 30 March 1946 whereas all others sources say 4 August 1941. He also played for Union Santa Fé before coming in France. That is very few to create an article, so if you have any informations, you're welcome!Best regards--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating a perfect start for this article. Sorry, I didn't mean to force you to create it. I have added some stuffs to the article by the way. Again, best regards--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing a third party opinion on the Juan Peron article. Appreciated. Bakersville (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I have to thank you for this comment you posted in the Mick´s page [2]. I know I have entered the english wikipedia with the "left foot", but belive me, I´m not a bad user. I only try to finish with lies invented by several supporters that are no neutral. If you see the spirit of my contributions, thay are all against the subjetive point of view of many users... I´am neutral, and I was trated badly by many users on their comments. Thank you again for being tolerant. I´m not an english professor, but I can defend myself with this language. At least, I think so...

Your regards, --Ultracanalla (talk) 01:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on my page. But I would note, unless 'neutral', 'lies' and 'invented' have different meanings in Spanish as they do in English, I don't see much hope here. MickMacNee (talk) 02:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, Mick, we must stop with this useless discussion. I prommise i will treat with more respect everybody and I want you to do the same with me, please. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I´m not a bad user and I only try to help in the football articles. We start again at 0? We all have to give the other cheek!

See you --Ultracanalla (talk) 02:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I´m not a praticant Christian and I´m not atheist... I only try to express a sensation, but with a touch of sense of hummor. I tried to say that the discussion we had with Mick was not so tremendous to attack each other as we were doing... We should start at 0, and write a new page in this encyclopedia. --Ultracanalla (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I will update that information in each player, I'm sorry I didn't knew about that, thanks for the information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bupasival (talk • contribs) 16:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Thanks again for the information, I think I've made the signature in the preferences. Thanks for the help, is difficult to learn everything about wikipedia, but people like you make it much easier! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bupasival (talk • contribs) 21:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, when I edit the stats of a football player, you told me I had to edit pc update too, but do I have to edit ntupdate too? Thanks again for your help! bupasival (talk) 12:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]