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Hello, Mr. Wales,

May I respectfully renew my request of 20 May that You consider using a bot to log into every wiki project and lock down Your global account name?

Please see: http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Jimbo_Wales The impersonation problem is clearly neither my imagination nor limited to my own projects. (I particularly like the block with comment: "SPAM:WOW!")

For Your convenience I would be more than happy to make available the pywikipedia jobs I used to do this for my own id, either posting them, or sending that code by email to any place You wish.

Thank You for Your time and attention.

Yours truly, Snakesteuben (talk) 18:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A kind and knowledgeable steward has informed me that since May when I made my first request, wiki software has been changed and this second step is no longer necessary for the protection I was worried about. So... never mind. :-)

Thank You again. Snakesteuben (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am asking a question. It seems that some of my edits for today, August 14th, don't appear in my contributions. How did that happen? Did I update my status too late? SchfiftyThree 18:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, it's because of the high database server lag. SchfiftyThree 19:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of the servers crashed. There's a thread at WP:VPT. Hut 8.5 19:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought you'd like to know. Remember that WP:BLP policy we used to have? Doesn't apply if an editor can find a Stephen Colbert jibe to use against a living person in a Wikipedia article. I assume the same will apply to Jay Leno and David Letterman jokes. At least not under the current state of this discussion at the BLP noticeboard. If you hate some public figure, don't bother putting a direct attack on the page, just go to Letterman's Top Ten List archives and pull a disparaging quote. You can call it "criticism" from a "satirist". Anybody can drive a freight train through that hole in the policy. Real gem of a website we're creating here. Let's jazz up the name, though. How 'bout Juvenilopedia or Attackapedia. Or maybe Encyclopedia Dramatica. I just spent three hours in a library confirming the reliability of a source for a particularly sensitive BLP edit I'm contemplating. Why the hell should I bother when administrators and other editors won't bother to apply BLP policy? Certainly Our articles must not serve primarily to mock or disparage their subjects, whether directly or indirectly. would be a dead letter. What shortcut should we use for this new exception in WP:BLP -- WP:MOCKATWILL? And if you think I'm too angry, tell me, why the hell shouldn't I be pissed off at this complete abdication of responsibility? Noroton (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The responsibility for enforcing policies lies with the community, not with Jimbo. Have you also taken this issue up at WT:BLP in the hope of strengthening the policy? (And if so, have you remained cool while doing so?)

You should also probably keep in mind that inappropriate or excessive inclusion of mocking or satirical comment runs afoul not only of WP:BLP but also of WP:UNDUE, part of one of the five pillars. So if you're looking to get satirical content removed, you have multiple angles from which you can address it. --jonny-mt 05:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[1] has been hacked with a message saying: "This is the Zodiac speaking. Do you think you cowards can run from me? No you cannot, for I am above mortal things. ЕНКЁШКААНЛЁПЕЦЦААЭАН ДАЛЫЧЫНВКЁШКАШЕАНЦА АМЫНЮЛЛЕЯЬЦЦЫМЬЫНЕ НКЫЫЪЕХЦЫЬЕНДЁЪПХЫ НЦЕХЁККААМПЫАКЮЫНКЁ ЛМЕЦЮХАЦЦАЁЪВАШМЕЯ АШЕЁННЫЫНХАЮШКААШ ЫНЮНПЫЦЬЫШЫЙЪЫЦЦ ЬЬЦЕХДЬШЕНПЙШЬККЫЁ НЦЙПЕЪЫЬШЫКЁЯА! " and more not included. Please notify the appropriate person. This is message is going to all system admins. Calebrw (talk) 04:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plain old template vandalism, nothing to worry about. -- Tim Starling (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if you had any advice concerning a page that may be deleted but that i'm sure there are more sources for. Anyways what do you think of Breuner Airfield?^MY♥_INchile 17:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Ask someone to userfy it for you, add sources, then chuck it back into the field. WilyD 17:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo, yesterday, I have located the copyright law of Kosovo. I am not sure what processes are needed in order for Wikipedia to recognize it. I still need to have the text translated in order to figure out what it says, but any advice is welcome. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, hello,I'm a big fan of yours.

I was just wondering if you liked this new Wikipedia program I started.Wikipedia:The Master's Report. --Master of Pies (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

British Tabloid The Times is using our FA Michael Jackson article with a few words changed in a career overview here[2]. They are not offering their derivative material under a GFDL license. --Manboobies (talk) 00:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First page of 8 pages of plagiarism is here, btw [3].--Manboobies (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the place to be making such allegations - and allegations I hope you can back up, given the newspaper you describe as a "tabloid" is considered the de facto British newspaper of record George The Dragon (talk) 00:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since I wrote the MJ article and got it to featured states with 3000 edits to it, I'm making the allegation too. Although it's not the end of the world as we know it. — Realist² 00:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't get steamed about it, it happens all the time. Journalists tend to be lazy. GFDL requires attribution, IIRC, but only to the 'pedia. If I'd been misrepresented, that would be an issue, but it's unlikely to arise. --Rodhullandemu 00:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be so sensible, the world wants to see Rupert Murdoch v Jimmy Wales in a court case regarding a fluff piece on a disgraced musician! George The Dragon (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh cheap shot, fluff piece (it's a featured article), disgraced (he's still selling more records than you)?. I don't understand what Jackson's standing has to do with this anyway, you under minded your argument a little. — Realist² 00:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "fluff" reference was regarding the Times article, not the Wiki one, for what it's worth George The Dragon (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which, given WP:NPOV, is surely moot here. --Rodhullandemu 01:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For example,

The Times: In a collaboration with Lionel Richie, he co-wrote the charity single We Are the World released worldwide to raise money for the needy in Africa and the US. We Are the World became one of the best-selling singles of all time, raised millions for charity and earned Jackson charity credentials.

Us: With help from Lionel Richie, Jackson co-wrote the charity single "We Are the World", released worldwide to aid people in Africa and the US. Jackons was one of many music celebrities who performed on the record. Released in March 1985, the single became one of the best-selling singles of all time, with nearly 20 million copies sold and millions of dollars raised for charity. It was the first time Jackson was seen as a humanitarian

Also while I appreciate your concern, GTD, I am sure this is something worthy of attention from the community at large. I have nothing but concern for our cause of free information and my work on the Jackson article was with education in mind for those that cannot afford costly proprietary books. :)--Manboobies (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The example is, in my opinion, different enough for them to get away with it. They are stating a fact, backed-up by reliable sources. It's either true or it isn't. And it is. Assuming the Michael Jackson article is well-sourced, there is no real way of proving someone hasn't gone to all the same sources and independently produced similar copy George The Dragon (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Times August 15 piece seen here. Take a look at the August 14, 2008 version of the article. It's quite clear. Sorry about the "fluff piece" thing, I though you were talking about our article not theirs. — Realist² 00:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another example:

The Times: During a spectacular fallout with Sony, which saw Jackson successfully leave his recording contract, he accused CEO Tommy Mottola of being a “devil” and a “racist”.

Us: Jackson made allegations in July 2002 that Mottola was a "devil" and a "racist" who did not support his African-American artists, using them merely for his own personal gain.--Manboobies (talk) 01:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's not plagiarism either. The only part exactly the same is the mention of "devil" and "racist," as would be expected as they are direct quotes. The comments Jackson made regarding Mottola made headlines across the globe at the time. But anyway, my opinion is just that of one - if you really think the project has been wronged, complain at the appropriate place, there is a process in place for such situations. George The Dragon (talk) 01:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Us August 14: Jackson issued the double-disc album Thriller 25, a 25th anniversary edition of Thriller. The set contained the original nine tracks from Thriller, re-mixes and a new song called "For All Time". Two singles were released to moderate success: "The Girl Is Mine 2008" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008".

Them August 15:To celebrate the 25th anniversary of Thriller, Jackson issued the double-disc album Thriller 25. The set contained the original nine tracks from Thriller, re-mixes and a new song called For All Time. Two singles were released to moderate success: The Girl Is Mine 2008 and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008.

— Realist² 01:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be a direct lift in the sentence "The set contained the original nine tracks from Thriller, re-mixes and a new song called For All Time. Two singles were released to moderate success: The Girl Is Mine 2008 and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008.". :).--Manboobies (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The Times is not a tabloid. LessHeard vanU (talk) 01:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Times is in tabloid format. [4]. My apologies for leaving out the word format. --Manboobies (talk) 01:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Us August 14: a nickname conceived by actress and friend Elizabeth Taylor when she presented Jackson with an "Artist of the Decade" award in 1989, proclaiming him "the true king of pop, rock and soul"

Them August 15: The nickname was coined by Jackson’s friend the actress Elizabeth Taylor when she presented him with an Artist of the Decade award in 1989, proclaiming him "the true king of pop, rock and soul".

Us August 14:It is a 2,700-acre property complete with Ferris wheels, an exotic menagerie, a movie theater and a security staff of 40.

Them August 15:To the 2,700-acre property he added a Ferris wheels, exotic menagerie, and a movie theater, guarded by 40 security staff.

— Realist² 01:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More direct lifts? Wow, substantial plagiarism.--Manboobies (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US August 14: Jackson founded the "Heal the World Foundation" in 1992. The charity organization brought underprivileged children to Jackson's Neverland Ranch, located outside Santa Ynez, California, to go on theme park rides that Jackson had built on the property after he purchased it in 1988. The foundation also sent millions of dollars around the globe to help children threatened by war and disease.

Them August 15: Jackson founded the charitable Heal the World Foundation in 1992 which brought underprivileged children to Neverland and sent money to children threatened by war and disease around the globe.

US August 14:Forbes placed his annual income at $35 million in 1996 and $20 million in 1997

Them August 15: His annual income, according to Forbes had reached $35 million in 1996. In 1997, it fell to $20 million.

US August 14: Released in 1997 and premiering at the 1996 Cannes Film Festival, Ghosts was a short film written by Jackson and Stephen King and directed by Stan Winston. The video for Ghosts is over 38 minutes long and holds the Guinness World Record as the world's longest music video.

Them August 15:Ghosts, a short film co-written with Stephen King was premiered at Cannes. At over 38 minutes it is the world's longest music video.

US August 14: He received eight records, among them "First Entertainer to Earn More Than 100 Million Dollars in a Year" and "First Entertainer to Sell More Than 100 Million Albums Outside the United States".

Them August 15: He received eight records, among them First Entertainer to Earn More Than 100 Million Dollars in a Year and First Entertainer to Sell More Than 100 Million Albums Outside the United States.

Notice how Jackson won 8 awards yet Wikipedia and Times isolated and picked out the exact same two. — Realist² 02:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This does seem to be a serious case of extensive plagiarism. :(--Manboobies (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]