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:If you plan on posting an unblock request soon, I'd rather wait for that process to play out before going to ANI. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Calidum</span></span>]]''' 02:41, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:If you plan on posting an unblock request soon, I'd rather wait for that process to play out before going to ANI. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Calidum</span></span>]]''' 02:41, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


{{unblock|reason='''FIRST:''' there is no explicitly stated iban. I indicated in the previous unblock appeal drama that I would agree to one as a condition contingent on being unblocked...an unblock that never happened. Even if there was an iban, there was no interaction. I am free to comment to admin that bad actions by a user continues without appropriate sanction, I am fully at liberty to advise a fellow editor ({{u|NorthBySouthBaranof}} ) to step back from an unnecessary edit war with an known intractable editor. '''SECOND:''' This is a blatant abuse of power by Kevin. Apparently, he's become Winkelvi's go-to guy whenever I deign to discuss anything remotely related to him to anyone else...that smacks of an inappropriate collusion--which Kevin [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevin_Gorman&diff=prev&oldid=677552600 was inappropriately glib in his willingness about carrying out]. Given the contentious and arrogantly nasty block Kevin executed against me last time, describe by another editor as "overkill" and his vindictive scorched earth campaign against my appeal (apparently I didn't grovel and apologise enough for his tastes), this ban appears to be violative of [[WP:INVOLVED]] as this is an undeniable conflict of interest if involvement is indeed construed broadly to include past incidents. I felt Kevin's intention here, as much as last time, was entirely punitive. There is no egregiously bad conduct to warrant a block of two weeks. There's no vandalism, personal attacks...only a comment to an admin of "hey guess whose back at ANI again...for the nth time this month" and a comment to a user who is in a dispute with Winkelvi who I counselled to back away from the fight, stating why it's not worth getting entangled, and to come back after he's moved on". He has threatened future punishments if I deign to mention a certain troublesome editor (I presume since I'm punished for pointing him out to an admin, that I can't even go to an admin to mention conduct without a kevin-wielded hammer). used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users...I damaged nothing. I disrupted nothing. If pointing out several instances of complained-about unaddressed disruptive editwarring to an admin is disruptive, or to advise a user to pull back from editwarring is disruptive, well I'll be damned. This block violates [[WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE]].
{{unblock reviewed|reason='''FIRST:''' there is no explicitly stated iban. I indicated in the previous unblock appeal drama that I would agree to one as a condition contingent on being unblocked...an unblock that never happened. Even if there was an iban, there was no interaction. I am free to comment to admin that bad actions by a user continues without appropriate sanction, I am fully at liberty to advise a fellow editor ({{u|NorthBySouthBaranof}} ) to step back from an unnecessary edit war with an known intractable editor. '''SECOND:''' This is a blatant abuse of power by Kevin. Apparently, he's become Winkelvi's go-to guy whenever I deign to discuss anything remotely related to him to anyone else...that smacks of an inappropriate collusion--which Kevin [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevin_Gorman&diff=prev&oldid=677552600 was inappropriately glib in his willingness about carrying out]. Given the contentious and arrogantly nasty block Kevin executed against me last time, describe by another editor as "overkill" and his vindictive scorched earth campaign against my appeal (apparently I didn't grovel and apologise enough for his tastes), this ban appears to be violative of [[WP:INVOLVED]] as this is an undeniable conflict of interest if involvement is indeed construed broadly to include past incidents. I felt Kevin's intention here, as much as last time, was entirely punitive. There is no egregiously bad conduct to warrant a block of two weeks. There's no vandalism, personal attacks...only a comment to an admin of "hey guess whose back at ANI again...for the nth time this month" and a comment to a user who is in a dispute with Winkelvi who I counselled to back away from the fight, stating why it's not worth getting entangled, and to come back after he's moved on". He has threatened future punishments if I deign to mention a certain troublesome editor (I presume since I'm punished for pointing him out to an admin, that I can't even go to an admin to mention conduct without a kevin-wielded hammer). used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users...I damaged nothing. I disrupted nothing. If pointing out several instances of complained-about unaddressed disruptive editwarring to an admin is disruptive, or to advise a user to pull back from editwarring is disruptive, well I'll be damned. This block violates [[WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE]].
'''THIRD''': How are my quite restrained comments to both third-parties uncivil? There's no vulgarity, no name calling, no threats directed at Winkelvi. There is no harassment of him as the discussions were with two different users, not the complainer. Is pointing out to a third party, when advising them to disengage, that someone exhibits behavior that is described in WP:OWN and WP:IDHT uncivil? That's ridiculous. Concerning Winkelvi's demand that I be sanctioned for the act of talking about him conflicts with incivility policy, which states: ''This policy is not a weapon to use against other contributors. To insist that an editor be sanctioned force an isolated, minor incident, to repeatedly bring up past incivility after an individual has changed their approach, or to treat constructive criticism as an attack, are in themselves potentially disruptive, and may result in warnings or even blocks if repeated.''  If someone doesn't want to be talked about, maybe he could consider not getting entangled in a dozen edit wars a week with different users.
'''THIRD''': How are my quite restrained comments to both third-parties uncivil? There's no vulgarity, no name calling, no threats directed at Winkelvi. There is no harassment of him as the discussions were with two different users, not the complainer. Is pointing out to a third party, when advising them to disengage, that someone exhibits behavior that is described in WP:OWN and WP:IDHT uncivil? That's ridiculous. Concerning Winkelvi's demand that I be sanctioned for the act of talking about him conflicts with incivility policy, which states: ''This policy is not a weapon to use against other contributors. To insist that an editor be sanctioned force an isolated, minor incident, to repeatedly bring up past incivility after an individual has changed their approach, or to treat constructive criticism as an attack, are in themselves potentially disruptive, and may result in warnings or even blocks if repeated.''  If someone doesn't want to be talked about, maybe he could consider not getting entangled in a dozen edit wars a week with different users.


I will be proceeding to dispute resolution as soon as I can after being unblocked and if necessary will pursue this to the Arbitration Committee to seek redress against this already-involved abusive administrator who should have heeded the advice in WP:INVOLVED to pass the buck to another uninvolved admin. This is egregiously poor judgment on Kevin's part and a misuse of his tools. As I stated herewith on my talk page, Kevin is assuming the role of [[Inspector Javert]] against me. Going forward, I request an iban between him and me, as his abusive persecution of me will continue--as we see here he's more that ready to jump when Winkelvi pulls his strings...over something that barely would have raised the attention of any other admin. This block is ridiculous and heavy-handed only because Kevin has had it out for me from last time. [[User:JackTheVicar|JackTheVicar]] ([[User talk:JackTheVicar#top|talk]]) 04:16, 24 August 2015 (UTC)}}
I will be proceeding to dispute resolution as soon as I can after being unblocked and if necessary will pursue this to the Arbitration Committee to seek redress against this already-involved abusive administrator who should have heeded the advice in WP:INVOLVED to pass the buck to another uninvolved admin. This is egregiously poor judgment on Kevin's part and a misuse of his tools. As I stated herewith on my talk page, Kevin is assuming the role of [[Inspector Javert]] against me. Going forward, I request an iban between him and me, as his abusive persecution of me will continue--as we see here he's more that ready to jump when Winkelvi pulls his strings...over something that barely would have raised the attention of any other admin. This block is ridiculous and heavy-handed only because Kevin has had it out for me from last time. [[User:JackTheVicar|JackTheVicar]] ([[User talk:JackTheVicar#top|talk]]) 04:16, 24 August 2015 (UTC)|accept=[[WP:TLDR]] but imho Kevin is too [[WP:INVOLVED]] to place a block and I've got no issue with Jack's message on my talk. Keep the GAs coming. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 06:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)}}

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Blocked

JtV - you've been operating under a self-imposed and community supported iban with WV for some time. Your past comments, including recently at Liz's talk page, have recognized this. Your comments here and here both violate that iban, civility, and NPA. I could justify a longer block given that time I blocked you involved not just violating NPA etc but the off-wiki canvassing of a bunch of admins. Instead, I've decided to just set a pattern. Don't talk about WV. Especially don't make comments about WV that violate NPA or civil. The first time you do, I'm going to block you for two weeks (which I'll be putting in to place momentarily.) Any future blocks by me for anything involving you and WV will be twice the length of the previous block. As always, you can appeal. I'll drop a template here momentarily to remind you of your appeal paths. Kevin Gorman (talk) 01:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for see above - this is just to remind you of your appeal pathways. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Kevin Gorman (talk) 01:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What a joke. There was no interaction ban between the two users. JTV had agreed to avoid the other user as a condition of an unblock that never happened (see this ANI thread) So now he gets blocked for that? If you don't reconsider I will bring this to ANI for redress promptly. Calidum 02:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Calidum I would be grateful and obliged if you could. I will be preparing an unblock appeal tonight or tomorrow. Given his obvious bad blood and previous involvement this runs afoul of WP:INVOLVED. This is ridiculous. I might reach out to ArbCom because this is abusive overreach and Kevin is assuming the role of Inspector Javert. JackTheVicar (talk) 02:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you plan on posting an unblock request soon, I'd rather wait for that process to play out before going to ANI. Calidum 02:41, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

JackTheVicar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))


Request reason:

FIRST: there is no explicitly stated iban. I indicated in the previous unblock appeal drama that I would agree to one as a condition contingent on being unblocked...an unblock that never happened. Even if there was an iban, there was no interaction. I am free to comment to admin that bad actions by a user continues without appropriate sanction, I am fully at liberty to advise a fellow editor (NorthBySouthBaranof ) to step back from an unnecessary edit war with an known intractable editor. SECOND: This is a blatant abuse of power by Kevin. Apparently, he's become Winkelvi's go-to guy whenever I deign to discuss anything remotely related to him to anyone else...that smacks of an inappropriate collusion--which Kevin was inappropriately glib in his willingness about carrying out. Given the contentious and arrogantly nasty block Kevin executed against me last time, describe by another editor as "overkill" and his vindictive scorched earth campaign against my appeal (apparently I didn't grovel and apologise enough for his tastes), this ban appears to be violative of WP:INVOLVED as this is an undeniable conflict of interest if involvement is indeed construed broadly to include past incidents. I felt Kevin's intention here, as much as last time, was entirely punitive. There is no egregiously bad conduct to warrant a block of two weeks. There's no vandalism, personal attacks...only a comment to an admin of "hey guess whose back at ANI again...for the nth time this month" and a comment to a user who is in a dispute with Winkelvi who I counselled to back away from the fight, stating why it's not worth getting entangled, and to come back after he's moved on". He has threatened future punishments if I deign to mention a certain troublesome editor (I presume since I'm punished for pointing him out to an admin, that I can't even go to an admin to mention conduct without a kevin-wielded hammer). used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users...I damaged nothing. I disrupted nothing. If pointing out several instances of complained-about unaddressed disruptive editwarring to an admin is disruptive, or to advise a user to pull back from editwarring is disruptive, well I'll be damned. This block violates WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE. THIRD: How are my quite restrained comments to both third-parties uncivil? There's no vulgarity, no name calling, no threats directed at Winkelvi. There is no harassment of him as the discussions were with two different users, not the complainer. Is pointing out to a third party, when advising them to disengage, that someone exhibits behavior that is described in WP:OWN and WP:IDHT uncivil? That's ridiculous. Concerning Winkelvi's demand that I be sanctioned for the act of talking about him conflicts with incivility policy, which states: This policy is not a weapon to use against other contributors. To insist that an editor be sanctioned force an isolated, minor incident, to repeatedly bring up past incivility after an individual has changed their approach, or to treat constructive criticism as an attack, are in themselves potentially disruptive, and may result in warnings or even blocks if repeated.  If someone doesn't want to be talked about, maybe he could consider not getting entangled in a dozen edit wars a week with different users.

I will be proceeding to dispute resolution as soon as I can after being unblocked and if necessary will pursue this to the Arbitration Committee to seek redress against this already-involved abusive administrator who should have heeded the advice in WP:INVOLVED to pass the buck to another uninvolved admin. This is egregiously poor judgment on Kevin's part and a misuse of his tools. As I stated herewith on my talk page, Kevin is assuming the role of Inspector Javert against me. Going forward, I request an iban between him and me, as his abusive persecution of me will continue--as we see here he's more that ready to jump when Winkelvi pulls his strings...over something that barely would have raised the attention of any other admin. This block is ridiculous and heavy-handed only because Kevin has had it out for me from last time. JackTheVicar (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

WP:TLDR but imho Kevin is too WP:INVOLVED to place a block and I've got no issue with Jack's message on my talk. Keep the GAs coming. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 06:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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