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Hi, I just edited the page of Tom Christiansen. Can you make sure I did so properly? How should I act when I want to make an edit? --BenjaBruneau (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BenjaBruneau. Thanks for editing Wikipedia. There's a few ways you can improve your edit, starting from small to big:

1. Citations at the end of sentences go after the period. For more info, see MOS:REFPUNCT.
2. We prefer that references not just be urls. You can add parameters for things like the page title, author, date, and access date. There's guidance for this at Template:Cite web. Depending on what editing tool you're using—desktop v. mobile, source v. visual—there are some automatic tools that help with this. Let me know what you're using and I can be more specific.
3. Wikipedia aims to be a tertiary sources that collects and summarizes info from high-quality secondary sources. There are exceptional uses, but generally we would not want info to be cited only to stackexchange chat logs. The sourcing at that article was not great before you got there, so I wouldn't say you've made things worse. A better option here might be to completely remove the comparison to "Only tex can understand TeX", as no source was provided for the "inspiration'.

Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any follow-up questions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:47, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer, which makes sense as I also appreciate alliteration.

I'm still working on the poem and it occured to me to also ask ChatGPT, which is good at this sort of synthesis. FYI, it replied:

Our own article about Wallace Stevens is quite good and I was especially amused that he wrangled with Frost and literally brawled with Hemingway. How very like Wikipedia where our discussions so often turn into fights...

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew, I wonder if "brawling with Hemingway" is synonymous with "spent more than ten minutes in his company"? There are many critical takes on the poem, and JSTOR tends to cover most of the good literature and poetry journals. If you're signed in to The Wikipedia Library, this link will get you at some of them. The poem is often treated as Stevens' last one, though it's unclear, so it gets a lot of critical and biographical attention. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So glad to see you finally ran for admin. I expect you'll pass so I'm wishing you plenty of good luck and in case I don't run into you in the next few months a very nice summer.

— Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 08:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ixtal, you were right! I'm sure we'll bump into each other soon. I still owe you an email. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen this movie before, and experience has shown that there is no correlation between how much support you get at RfA, and how good you actually are in an administrator. Indeed, I've found those passing with 80-85% support seem to be better administrators as they are the ones prepared to make difficult decisions that will get blowback. So hang in there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The ones who get 86 or 87%, though, they're the worst. --JBL (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333, sorry I missed the sweet spot. JBL is smart to keep their expectations low! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another "hang in there". Looking forward to seeing you step on a rake or two yourself. I ended up thanking an editor who opposed my own run... BusterD (talk) 16:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BusterD, messages like this were very helpful. Unlike the reasonable opposes, my own nervousness was not helping anyone! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	Get bent!
	You better get used to this, since you're going to be an admin. May this be the first of many lashings out that you endure. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, and happy mopping!  — Amakuru (talk) 00:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Amakuru. I'll whistle while I work. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SFR, up yours! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Go kick rocks! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suck eggs! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ding! Congrats on the level up! Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yum! Sideswipe9th, that ding is so aggressive! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If we lose your content work, I'll regret my support :) <not really, but you know what I mean> That was much harder than it should have been, so go celebrate. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Excellent job! I am incredibly proud. Even when things got a little tense near the end, you handled things with confidence and grace. Now unwind, and go read all that secret deleted stuff you’ve always wanted to 🕵️‍♂️🤫 Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 00:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Congratulations and take a short break if necessary. You showed excellent resilience in a difficult RfA and persevered in the end! I would love your deeper reflections on WP:INVOLVED further down the line. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you, Shushugah. You're going to get those reflections for sure! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  A huge thank you to all my nominators, @Moneytrees, Vanamonde93, and Doug Weller:. I have many more people to thank, and I'm trying to resist the urge to go full Oscar speech. Let's leave it at "everyone who voted, no matter which way" for now, and I'll have more in a debrief post in about a week. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  While I wasn’t on the supporting end of the RFA, I definitely wish you congratulations and best wishes as an administrator. I know you will do a great job, just remember WP:INVOLVED. (Which I know you will) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  You, and the other opposers/neutrals/supports with constructive criticism have given me plenty to think on. Many thanks to you and the whole bunch. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• SandyGeorgia, you couldn't stop me if you tried. Technically, I can now stop me, if that "block" button next to my username is real. I'm going to go click it and see what happens ... Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Don’t. It does work; you CAN block yourself. Schwede66 17:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The best way to learn is by doing! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Congratulations!! I might not have been on the supporting side, but I know you'll make a great admin and I'm sure you'll be more careful around WP:INVOLVED than any admin who didn't go through this process haha. :3 F4U (they/it) 00:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indubitably! I didn't remember you from the RFA, but I recognized you from your recent post at GAN talk. If you're looking to get a review in, Talk:Tennessee State Route 158/GA1 got stuck in similar straits, and their request for another reviewer got archived without response. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Ooh that looks interesting actually, think I'll take it up this weekend. Cheers! :3 F4U (they/it) 05:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use it well. When you've cleaned out the stables, you can come to the admin room for a cup of tea and biscuits. SilkTork (talk) 00:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, Firefangledfeathers! Here's your honorary t-shirt!

. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Liz, all I get is this crappy picture of a crappy shirt? I love it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

didn't know i was gonna get Dadaism in the forums today :) congrats! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, I wanted to give them the crappy shirt… TheCorvetteZR1^{(The Garage)} 23:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are they British biscuits or Southern American biscuits? I'm in either way! Thank you for the quick crat work, SilkTork. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are cookies and scones (and hash brownies in the weird corner). Choose your armchair with care, some of the older admins get grumpy if someone takes their favourite place. SilkTork (talk) 01:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• grump grump*. Just… take your shoes off before using my ottoman. Welcome to endless free labour!

Courcelles (talk) 01:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I heard there was a 10% pay raise. Damn. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10%? Don’t be silly! The pay increase is exponential! Courcelles (talk) 14:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

<grump> There's only one chair in the lounge that's short enough so my feet touch the floor properly. </grump> Joyous! Noise! 02:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Felicitations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appreciations. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Novem Linguae’s turn to bring the baton. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now look what you've gone and done, you fool! I mean, um, welcome, you'll love it here and everyone will love you too. DMacks (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe I've done this. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Great to see you mopping at Errors. Congratulations! Schwede66 17:23, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks S66. Happy to be working alongside you and learning from your ways. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	The axe of responsibility
	Shiny new tools might be used to mete out justice, mercy or a dose of reality. Let us commit to not losing our cool when using them. Our only armor is the entire community's trust. We wear it for each other, each new contributor, and each new generation to come. May you ever be the community's trusted champion. BusterD (talk) 02:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Gruesome and truesome. Thanks, Buster! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I like this post. I think every new admin should get it. SilkTork (talk) 08:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I like it too. Sorry I missed your RfA, but please accept my congratulations! Generalrelative (talk) 11:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's great to have you wielding the mop! Joyous! Noise! 02:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So kind! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Baton? Mop? Toolkit? Banhammer? You may need a new closet. Congratulations, though. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And my axe! So far I've been keeping them on the kitchen floor in a pile with a sticky note that says "Don't trip." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firefangledfeathers (talk • contribs)

Thanks for not explaining your poem, too, better that way! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back IH! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:13, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	A baton for you!
	Congratulations on becoming Wikipedia's newest administrator! I am pleased to present the traditional baton to you. I'm sure you'll find your way around the tools soon, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask! –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NL! Hope to pass it off soon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm rarely here anymore but I had meant to support your request for adminship (not that you needed my support, but mostly just as a statement of confidence in you). Having seen you around here and there, I know you'll do a great job as an admin and will continue to be a credit to the project. I especially enjoyed your response to the question about the Wallace Stevens poem—you're absolutely right about the (gentle) irony in failing to understand intellectually a poem about the futility of intellectualization. :) MastCell ^Talk 19:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A kind message MC! Hope to see you around more. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• A belated congratulations from me, FFF. I take particular pleasure in seeing the baton passed (again) from one of my nominees to another. I found that my own learning curve remained steep after receiving a mop, so if you ever have any questions please feel free to write. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! This RfA totally passed me by, but: result for community! Iskandar323 (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Congratulations! Andre🚐 00:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, though I'm only two admin actions in (and the second was fixing a mistake I made on the first). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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		Thank you for your excellent contributions to the GA review for Palmire Dumont at the latest WiG Wildcard Edition editathon! Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was fun! Thanks for coordinating ATB! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am grateful to all the participants in my RfA. Even the oppose rationales that I disagree with have given me plenty to consider, and it's helpful to have a smudged-barometer reading on the viewpoints of a sizable minority of the community. My nominators and some thoughtful and generous emailers and Discord-DMers provided some much-needed support in a nerve-wracking time; I assume the best way to pay them back is to demonstrate that their faith in me was deserved. If there's something else I can do, I hope they'll let me know.

Involved

By far the most interesting and prolific concern raised about my candidacy is my understanding of INVOLVED. I hope those holding that concern will be comforted to know how seriously I take it. I hope also to see some further community conversation, and I have some early thoughts on that which I'll share below. I want to make it clear that there are some among my opposers on these grounds—one example being RoySmith—who could tell me that I've crossed the line and I'd strongly consider a voluntary desysop.

The main discussion I'm aware of that focused on whether INVOLVED should be evaluated at the whole contentious topic (CT) level is this 2021 unblock request. There was some reasoned pushback against the idea that the blocking admin was involved in the entire "gender-related disputes" CT area, and the unblock appeal was declined. After that discussion, I started a village pump thread to discuss the issue, but it didn't attract much attention.

My best read on the status quo is that most current administrators do not appear to hold such a broad understanding of the policy, meaning that if involvement is to be construed this way, it would be preferable to have it become explicit in policy. I would be likely to oppose such a change, but I haven't yet seen the strong arguments for it that are sure to develop.

Civility

A quick note on the other major reason for opposition, or caution in the level of support: civility. I think Lourdes' points about the need for a cultural shift in tolerance of civility are well-made. You're likely to see me push back against incivility more often.

Toxicity

RFA is frequently described as a toxic place. I feel very fortunate not to have felt that during my run. It was still a tense time for me and my family, all of whom expressed as much relief (often bundled with profanity) as congratulations when it was over. I counsel all who are considering RFA to pick a light week (as I did) and to avoid falling ill during that week (as I did, mildly). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I counsel all who are considering RFA to pick a light week (as I did) and to avoid falling ill during that week (as I did, mildly). Imagine that, me taking a week-long vacation from work solely to go run an RFA. That seems less like a vacation and more like some other type of ordeal-prompted compulsory absence. I enjoyed reading your debriefing. Best of luck with your new responsibilities! Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WaltClipper! (I resisted the urge to call you "WC") Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was taken aback by how quickly the RfA went from "Huh, FFF has a different understanding of INVOLVED than some of us," to concerns that you were going to go rogue the minute the admin buttons were installed. Joyous! Noise! 14:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Some more to it that I don't know about? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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im a new user from MicroWiki and im not sure if the rules are the same so i want to ask a question; are we freely allowed to make pages like Daeng Koro [id]? because i want to make an english version of Daeng Koro's page. ZomRobWiki (talk) 00:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ZomRobWiki, and welcome to English Wikipedia! I am not knowledgeable about the rules of MicroWiki, but I would assume that they differ from the policies here. You are technically not allowed to create new pages in article-space quite yet. Once you're autoconfirmed, which will happen when you've made 10 total edits, you'll be able to do so. If you'd like to get started on a Koro article sooner than that, you can start it in draftspace at Draft:Daeng Koro. We have notability policies governing what should be a standalone article, and the most applicable one for Koro would probably be WP:NBIO. At a glance, I think it's likely he'll qualify. If you're translating from the Indonesian page, I recommend reading Help:Translation, especially the parts about crediting the source article. Let me know if you have any follow-up questions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

looks different from microwiki, anyways thanks! ZomRobWiki (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just look at the requests for adminship page to see who was up, and I saw you! I just want to congratulate you. I only interacted with you briefly during Joan of Arc FAR processes and with some issues supporting helping out SandyGeorgia, but I felt you were particularly thoughtful and kind-hearted in your editing role. I think Wikipedia is very lucky to have you. (And ironically, I hope my interactions with you as an admin are minimal!) Wtfiv (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wtfiv. It makes me happy to hear from you, and the kind words are appreciated. That Joan FAR was amazing, and I'm pleased to have played a minor role. Your work was great, and that FA star looks extra shiny. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats! I wasn't even aware of the RFA. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I was mostly aware of it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Firefangledfeathers

This is to specifically bring to your notice the disruptive editing on article Simon Ekpa. While editors can contribute constructively, this editor here Moved the Namespace to irrelevant Namespace. Link

This is a concern that requires urgent attention as it's malicious. Secondly, check out the article page, Indigenous People of Biafra and see it's being vandalized by the same user. I am writing you in Particular because l know you are an Administrator who can take adequate action(s)

Thanks

1st Contributor (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 1st Contributor. It looks like other admins have already stepped in to block that user and protect the page from future disruptive moves. I'm not sure there's anything more for me to do. It looks like there's some real-life controversy and some resultant on-wiki disruption and disputes. I highly recommend using talk pages and reaching out for more input at places like WP:NPOVN or WP:BLPN rather than reaching out to multiple users simultaneously. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

برای ساخت موضوع جدید باید چکار کنم --Nimabalvardi (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nimabalvardi. It looks like you are writing in Persian, and I had to use Google Translate to understand it. Are you trying to start a new article? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:28, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I realize you didn't start the tradition, but I just wanted to comment how nice that was. I don't see that image in yours above. Did you select this one? I thought that it looked great in the template : ) - jc37 21:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It's tradition to select a new baton image each time. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Well done then! : ) - jc37 21:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]