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I was chatting to somebody about Shakespeare yesterday, and remembered reading A Midsummer Night's Dream at school, and very specifically the line "Get you gone, you dwarf, You minimus of hindering knotgrass made, You bead, you acorn!". Then I wondered if we had a modern equivalent of such creative writing. Well, after a long and fruitful search, I think I may have found it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One interesting thing about Shakespeare's writings is that modern translations often don't make sense, purely because the appropriate words have changed in spelling and pronunciation. Parrot of Doom 22:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How about Macb........ er, the Scottish play? "The devil damn thee black thou cream-faced loon!" Richerman (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Bishonen: has (or had) a Shakespearean insult generator, but I'm running out the door and can't look for it. If curious, you should search her user or talk page, or ask her. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You must mean Darwinbish's NPA template. Yep, it generates a fine variety of Shakespearean insults. Teach 'em a lesson! Bishonen | talk 23:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC).[reply]

I was wondering if Shakespearean insults are notable enough in their own right to merit a short article. I can't find an existing article where they really belong.--Boson (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would be interesting reading - at least until it got {{globalize}}d with sections on Shakespearean insults in Sweden, Japan, the Cook Islands etc. And of course the inevitable "in popular culture" section.
Then of course the Oxfordians would attempt to hijack the article resulting in far more drama than Bill (or Ted) ever produced pablo 13:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

a google books search makes me guess yes. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A book search for "get you gone you dwarf" (Shakespeare's equivalent of "fuck off, you drama-whore") reveals quite a few hits discussing them in depth, so I dare say something like List of Shakespearean insults does have potential. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:07, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Thou naughty knave, what trade?" is one of my favourites!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like this whole "your mum" exchange:

Demetrius: "Villain, what hast thou done?"
Aaron: "That which thou canst not undo."
Chiron: "Thou hast undone our mother."
Aaron: "Villain, I have done thy mother."

 pablo 13:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Like. Though where's all the Falstaff? Dogberry?--Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 14:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Or, "A sailor’s wife had chestnuts in her lap, and munched, and munched, and munched. "Give me," quoth I. "Aroint thee, witch!" the rump-fed runnion cries." In today's English, "This lass at the pub had a bag of pork scratchings, and was scoffing on them. "Lob one over here", I said. "Piss off, bitch", the fat bird replied." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:22, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oswald: What dost thou know me for?

Kent: A knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver’d, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

(King Lear, Act II, scene ii, ll 13-14) --Shirt58 (talk) 09:22, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ask and ye shall receive (Montanabw^(talk) 22:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)):[reply]

• An NPA template, yes. (I linked to it above.) It doesn't work right this far down on a page, so better activate it here. Bishonen | talk 09:43, 13 November 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Eric. Do you think that this article on a Grade II* listed former country house, until recently overlooked, is worth a go at GAN? If so I should welcome your comments and help with copyediting. Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would make a fine GA Peter. Eric Corbett 11:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:09, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated yesterday, and passed in less than 24 hours! Many thanks for the part you played. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this. - Dank (push to talk) 05:47, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Dank, I made a note there, but removing or hatting that might be best, then filing at ANI if you feel it need adjudication. Otherwise, it might look like you are trying to sway the discussion using evidence that was not admitted in the case. And that is not the place to have a drama fest, ANI is. Dennis - 2¢ 05:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Dennis, you and a few others know why I've got no time for Dank's nonsense right now. And it's got absolutely nothing to do with the ridiculous ArbCom case, which I see is now proposing to ban me. No surprise there. Eric Corbett 05:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • It would feel like an Arb case without it. I haven't expressed an opinion on the merits, but on procedure, it is very, very clear that this must be filed at ANI, not in the middle of an Arb case that is about to end. Dennis - 2¢ 06:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• • • I'm sorry Dank, but your procedure is wrong here and has prejudicial effects. I don't expect to get involved since I hatted, but you should file at ANI. We do NOT need that kind of drama on that page, which is already contentious enough. Dennis - 2¢ 06:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, filing an ANI report about Eric right now, regardless of circumstances or procedures, is guaranteed to get a pack of drama-vultures swooping down for the entertainment, and hence is about as sensible for one's own well being as mooning in front of Jimbo giving him the middle finger, and would probably get a similar result. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Please see my apology [1]. Dennis - 2¢ 16:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

one of the things that make this story so appealing and relatable is that optimism prevails over pessimism

The set that "that optimism prevails over pessimism" id a member of is "the things that make this story so appealing and relatable". If the set was "the things", the sentence would read "one of the things is that optimism prevails over pessimism".--Klausok (talk) 07:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I really couldn't care less at the moment. If you want to further distress the article then just go ahead. It really won't look out of place among the rest of WP's crap after all. Eric Corbett

"Without a hard heart, you can't survive here." (9 April). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Klausok: I hate to "play the fanboy", but I agree with Eric per his rationale in the edit summary. Worse things happen at sea, y'know. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:01, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It probably is not my place to say this but I'm going to do it anyway. I'm sure that Eric will bollock me if he sees fit. As intimated in a thread above, something has happened and he may well not be around for two or three days. It would be good if people gave him a bit of space. It has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia and it is only by chance that I have come to know of it. - Sitush (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having been accused elsewhere of trying to avoid scrutiny by inventing some personal difficulty, let me simply say that my cat was knocked down and killed by a passing car. I know that might not seem like much to some, but it was to me. Eric Corbett 20:06, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so sorry, Eric. In our thoughts. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some people don't seem to understand how you can be upset about the death of an animal, but I don't understand them. Eric Corbett 20:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, hopefully, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Understand totally, we have always had cats, and they are part of the family. Hope you and yours are OK Eric. Black Kite (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to say things seemed quiet around here of late. Sorry to hear about that Eric.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to hear of your loss Eric. We have had a couple of cats die of illness over the years and it is always a wrench. It was also my daughters' introduction to mortality and that was a difficult one to field; "Daddy, will I die one day?" Take care of yourself and your family, real life trumps Wikipedia every time. --John (talk) 21:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We'll obviously all die one day, but she was only 18 months old. Anyway, I'm in danger of becoming maudlin here, so I'll say no more. Eric Corbett 21:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Most of us who have or have had pets will totally sympathise. We had Ron (yes he was ginger) the cat and expert mouser who was the friendliest cat we've ever owned. Disappeared suddenly in April and then turned up looking ill 2 days later. His bladder had blocked and he was in renal failure. He still purred when he saw me despite being in desperate straits, and I took him to the vet. Died just after surgery. My wife is still too upset to think about it much. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For 10 years I had a stray cat that I had found in front of an abandoned building who was ultimately run down by a car on one of the few times I ever let her outside. I understand completely. John Carter (talk) 21:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Our cat was 5 when he died 3 years ago. My middle daughter was 3, and I was torn between telling her about mortality so early, and telling her a deliberate lie which she would hold against me in the future. In the end I went for honesty and said "Yes you will, though I hope you have a long and happy life first". She came straight back at me and asked "Will I suffer like [cat's name]?" (He had had a painful, debilitating and expensive illness for several months before he succumbed.) I almost burst into tears (I didn't know she even knew the word "suffer") and could only say "I hope not, but I can't guarantee it". She took it well and hasn't held it against me so far. It is too soon to say whether I did the right thing. Keep well, --John (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know exactly how you feel, Eric. Last year my cat died aged 19 and I miss her curling up on my lap purring away nineteen to the dozen or miaowing incessantly at the sight of fresh chicken or ham. But 18 months is worse. Cats are friendly, loyal, trustworthy and NEVER support arbcom bans. My sympathies. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We lost our dear little kitty to a car just a few weeks ago. Made a pretty poor 5th birthday present for his biggest fan (happened on the day). We later found out he'd endeared himself to our neighbours, solving one's fruit rat problem (explains why he sometimes left his dinner), and making friends with another's cat by having conversations through their front wire door.

Anyway, condolences. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 02:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My condolences. We had a Maine Coon in the family. Lost her a few years ago. They give us a piece of their heart, and take a bit of ours when they go.→StaniStani 06:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My condolences, also. We had to put down a cat 11 days ago; we've had him for 17 years, but his illnesses were getting worse, and we were giving medication to counteract the side-effects of medications counteracting the side-effects of the medication for his principle condition (inflammatory bowel syndrome), which he had had for about 5 years, after we had to put down his pack-mate. (All of our cats have been strays, so we don't know if they were litter-mates.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Condolences from me. We had a stray who came to me 18 months ago and six months later got very ill. No explanation for her illness could be found so it was presumed inherited from its mother and slowly unveiled its ugliness. She was my best friend for those six short months and has not been replaced in spirit nor in pictures around the house. She will remain with us for a long time. — Wyliepedia 07:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pets are family members. I feel for you. Writegeist (talk) 07:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, I'm sorry for your loss. My dog was run over and killed by a car years ago so I understand it's rough. :( Pets do become like family members. — Cirt (talk) 19:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I may have said this before, hence my nickname on Stanistani's web site of "ferret boy", as if that's supposed to be some kind of an insult. But it doesn't matter how big or small they are, they're all lives with their own personalities just as we are, and it hurts when they have to go. Eric Corbett 20:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric. Words are always so empty when expressing condolences, but please accept the heartfelt meaning behind mine. I rescued a frail feral kitten who lived happily with me for 13 years. She was my breath and I was hers. Being feral, she only socialised with me and she was a faithful loving companion. At the first sign of suffering, I let her go over the rainbow bridge. I cannot imagine the pain of having one die unexpectedly and so young. My deepest sympathies. Fylbecatulous talk 20:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Our first cat, Icarus, was also feral, and became fiercely loyal. He'd follow us everywhere, even down to the local pub, where he'd sit under the table until it was time to go. Cats are more complex creatures than we give them credit for, and Amy was my friend. Eric Corbett 20:46, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I can't say I know exactly how you feel, but I know the pain from losing a furbaby who was as dear to you as my own flesh and blood. Having no children, I'm prone to getting extraordinarily close to my dogs, one of which worked with me daily for many years. You know the story, so I won't rehash it. Some people like pets, others don't. Then some people don't consider them pets, or things to be owned. They consider themselves lucky to have them as companions, they accept the responsibility as caretaker, and consider them family. I fall into that category. Nothing wrong with anyone not being like that, but unless you do, it is difficult to truly empathize with how deep the grieving is, why it feels like a piece of yourself has died with them. It is not a small thing, nor quickly forgotten. Dennis - 2¢ 20:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  I needed to fill the space that Amy left behind, so we've now adopted two jet black adult cats from a local animal rescue, who I guarantee will have the best lives that cats could possibly ever have. Eric Corbett 21:04, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one Eric! I am also an active rescuer of animals, with both of my dogs coming from the RSPCA with literally hours to spare on their lives. Rescuing animals is far better than buying them from breeders IMO. Cassianto^talk 21:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that's probably the best thing you could do, and I salute you for choosing some of the harder-to-place adults. The only thing I can think to add is that you maybe consider seeing if they like the "Salmon and Shrimp" flavored soft food. I gave Missy, the cat I mentioned, a fairly wide selection of the soft foods available, and found that particular flavor disappeared from the bowl much faster than any of the others. Of course, black cats are considered evil by some idiots, but some people are considered evil by some idiots too, so the opinions of those idiots should be given only the minimal regard they deserve. John Carter (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That rescues seem to find black cats harder to rehome is one reason why we chose them, the other is that we lost a passionate black cat some years ago, and they remind us of her. Eric Corbett 21:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How do you suggest to deal with "idiot" as an edit summary for a revert? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One of the people I love in this world is someone I've never met: whoever it was that adopted my two 13-year-old cats from the shelter after I had to give them up due to my wife's severe allergic reaction soon after she got pregnant. It was a no-kill shelter, but I was petrified that no one would want them because they were so old. Whoever it was adopted both, so they'd be together. Thanks, Eric, for adopting older animals from the shelter; a definite deposit in your karmic bank account. And I'm sorry to hear about Amy. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They were living together at the rescue and I couldn`t bear to split them. Just call me an old fool. Eric Corbett 21:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've filled my mug with North Carolina apple pie moonshine, and would offer the toast: "To Amy, she inspired a man to do at least two good things this week". And as I was quite serious about the drink and the quantity, I should wish you all the best and log off for the evening. Dennis - 2¢ 01:04, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, I am really sorry to hear about the loss of your cat. As someone else said, pets become part of the family, and losing one is really a great family loss. I hope you are very happy with your two new cats, and I am sure they will help you always to remember the good times you had with your previous cat. We have two dogs here in China, and both were strays originally: one followed my son home from school and "adopted" us, and the other was found by my wife starving, abandoned, wounded and close to death in a local park. We spent time nursing it back to health. In fact, we have had 4 dogs in total, all abandoned dogs who we rescued from certain death, either by starvation or by being killed and eaten by other people, though we kept only two (we passed the other two onto people who continue to look after them well). I hope your experiences with all your cats, past and present, are as fulfilling as ours have been with our dogs.  DDStretch  (talk) 01:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I said to my wife after I carried Amy in from the side of the road that I don't want to live without a cat. I know it's stupid. maudlin and many won't understand, but that's just the way it is. For me anyway. Eric Corbett 02:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not stupid, it's generous human. And I imagine your two new cats are more than happy that you are willing to display your humanity in that way. John Carter (talk) 02:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After our two previous cats died (sisters, 18 years old, within weeks of each other; see also human partnerships) we took on two rescue cats; unfortunately one was very ill and we lost her as well within 6 months; our current two are brilliant however, although I'd wish they would stop bringing us rodents, small passerine birds, frogs, toads, and at least in one case bats and pigeons. Black Kite (talk) 02:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You never know, one day they might bring you a black kite, Black Kite. One of mine managed a rabbit that was nearly as big as itself. This tendency of cats to bring gifts is something I've never understood. They're obviously not hunting for nutrition purposes but is it a show of loyalty or gratitude, or is it part of a game based on their natural hunting instinct. Anyway, I'm pleased to hear that it is Eric 2 Rescue centre 0. That's what I call a result. - Sitush (talk) 05:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just now I recalled Ritchie333 closing this ANI with "Every time a user complains about User:Eric Corbett, God kills a kitten." I find it quite bizarre that this happened eventually. I'm sorry for your loss. No such user (talk) 08:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you like cats and Belgium (which I do), you can't do much worse than visit the Kattenstoet every third May in Ypres, a town well worth visiting anyway for its architecture and focal point for remembrance and war memorials. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• What warm my cold, mean heart right up is walking into the bedroom most nights, and Mrs. Brown has Olive snuggled against her like a teddy bear, and Buster is curled around her shoulders, resting his head on her neck or head, all of them sleeping, blissfully. "Piled up like little piggies" is what I tell her. Animals have a type of unconditional love that I think we humans are simply incapable of, at least to that degree. They are blind to our faults and simply accept us as we are. Dennis - 2¢ 17:56, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Blind to our faults? Not sure about that as an absolute. Watch the reaction of a rescue dog whose previous owner habitually beat it with a walking stick. - Sitush (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say deaf and dumb ;) Buster has never complained about my spelling or grammar, that I wake up with bad breath, or that I break the speed limit on the highway every day. He only worries about the important things. Dennis - 2¢ 18:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am very sorry to hear about Amy. As another lover of cats, I understand their importance in our lives. Your new kitties are fortunate, and I hope they bring you joy. LadyofShalott 01:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Eric! I am mostly offline for a few days and missed this! I am SO sorry! My condolences! I believe you were kind-spoken back when I lost my dear little calico (pictured) to FIP, and I remember when you announced that you got Amy! Adding Maddy's photo to your page, as that dear heart no doubt greeted Amy with a kitten kiss upon her arrival in pet heaven! Good for you to get the black cats, we have a black one adopted by our neighbors as our current barn cat, our gray now being a full-time inside cat. Montanabw^(talk) 05:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add my condolences. I've only just noticed this. I've lost two cats in the manner you describe, it's a horrible feeling to lose a member of your family, especially one who gives out nothing but love (and the occasional puddle of sick) in exchange for food and the odd stroke. Parrot of Doom 17:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In reference to the request from Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Constitution of May 3, 1791/archive4 (June that year), I wonder if you would have more time/will to look at this article? I would like to resubmit to FAC, but I am afraid the deputy director will veto it again unless you or John c/e it (since those are two names he mentioned, and c/e by what is at that point about half a dozen of other editors was not good enough for him...). I'd appreciate your assistance in this matter. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to ask John, as it appears quite within the bounds of possibility that I may soon be consigned to the "infinite Hell" that is a site ban, so I don't have much time or patience for WP right now. Eric Corbett 15:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do hope you are exaggerating. I find it hard to believe that you would be site-banned. Giano (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He's not exaggerating: [2] Four votes in favor, one oppose, two abstensions. Not looking good. Montanabw^(talk) 19:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, but I'm quite resigned to the outcome whatever it may be. I'll live. Que sera, sera. Eric Corbett 19:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh well, it will give the Jimbos and other sanctimonious nonentities of this world something to sing, dance and gloat about, but I can't help but wonder who will be writing the project while they are doing so. Doubtless we will be told it's now to be written by all those poor, hapless and wretched souls and timid females who Eric's driven away, but I have yet to see any proof of their existence. Perhaps Eric's detractors now think that the meek are truly to inherit the earth. God knows they've been waiting long enough. I do wish I could be an American idealist - but of course, I don't really - that woudl be hypocritical. Giano (talk) 20:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck 'em. I'm sure, in their own little world, they'll believe they've done something worthwhile, but it'll be quite clear to everyone else that they've broken their own rules. WP:NOTHERE, remember? Black Kite (talk) 02:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[3] [4] Nothing surprises me about these people any more. Writegeist (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's not good but is probably typical for this farce of a proceedings. RogerDavis has made at least one pretty incomprehensible vote today. It seems that he finds nothing at all wrong with Carol's efforts. Amazing, especially given that even GW seems to find some merit in the f.o.f.. - Sitush (talk) 18:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I rather think that you will find that the order "Get Eric at all costs" has been issued, and the minions and staff have to scurry about to ensure that the order is executed. In time the sorry facts of this episode will be leaked and we shall all see for ourselves. Giano (talk) 13:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I had deposited with a third party some criticisms relating to handling of the case. I did that towards the end of the evidence workshop phase with the intention of perhaps offering them for scrutiny after the case was closed. I chose a third party so that I could not be accused of sour grapes whatever the outcome might be. Alas, the weirdness has extended considerably since that time and I may have to take the risk of such an accusation. I've had little to do with ArbCom, bar being dragged into an earlier case without merit. I generally do not keep track of their activities but this thing has been an eye-opener, and not one that reflects well on the institution. - Sitush (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  But on the other hand it reflects accurately on the institution. Eric Corbett 13:50, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, indeed it does... I have had a growing sense of bad times to come for some time now. What a shame. Gandydancer (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, I just wanted to let you know that, regardless of how the ArbCom case turns out, I appreciate your terrific content contributions to this encyclopedia. I doubt you even know who I am, but it's hard not to know who you are, and I think that a silent majority truly does appreciate what you do. I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you, and offer my condolences on the loss of your cat. All the best, and God bless. Go Phightins! 15:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I keep expecting to see her jump onto the window sill and demand to be let in, but alas ... Eric Corbett 15:41, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And I'll chip in with similar sentiments - I don't know the timescale within which Arbcom might come to a decision and, if it's the wrong decision, close down this page. I just wanted to say that since our first very civilised encounter in 2007 it's been a pleasure to work with you here at the encyclopedia, and it'll be a poorer place if you're gone. Thanks for all your contributions. And condolences on Amy's death - life's unfair. PamD 15:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm signing off for the night now, so will say Adieu. These things are usually wound up pretty swiftly, and in the case of European editors, most often while Europe is asleep - the knock on the door in the night is something I believe which is favored by many totalitarian states. It's been fun working with you - I wonder who's going to maintain all those articles, let alone create new ones. Very disappointing. So in case you're not here tomorrow - so long. What a waste. Giano (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given the singular absence of clerks during most of the proceedings, if they suddenly spring into action less than 24 hours after final votes have been cast, I'll be extremely pissed off. - Sitush (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They won't. But returning to my earlier musing about Amy jumping up onto to window sill and demanding to be let in, might that be the origin of the vampire myth, that they come tapping at your window but can't enter until you open it? Or am I thinking of ArbCom? Eric Corbett 22:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty ignorant about myths etc. I sort of skipped the fairy tale phase because no-one realised I was deaf at that point. My parents wasted hours telling me tales, singing tunes and reading from books. Their early attempts to bollock me didn't go too well either ;) - Sitush (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me if this is too personal a question, but how old were you when your parents realised you were deaf? Eric Corbett 22:15, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think they realised quite early on, say by the age of two. But getting a diagnosis took me to within weeks of starting school at five. The problem was, then as now, I'm very capable of fooling people into thinking that either there is no problem or the problem is something else. In that initial instance, the experts reckoned I was just a slow developer and a naughty child who chose not to do as he was asked etc. I'd already taught myself to lipread, you see. - Sitush (talk) 22:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Eric, it has its uses! I always hear someone who asks me would I like a pint but when someone says "it's your round", well, I never hear that ;) - Sitush (talk) 22:25, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Eric. This page somehow ended up on my watchlist (probably because I keep an eye on ArbCom cases), and I thought I'd comment. (Like Go Phightins!, I'm also pretty sure that you have never heard about me.) While I honestly do not agree with the way you have sometimes communicated with other users in the past, it is impossible to deny the existence of the great content that you have created, and I would like to thank you for that. I'm also sorry about the death of your cat. Regards, --Biblioworm 22:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It's pretty tough having to collect your dead cat from the side of the road. Eric Corbett 23:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If I don't talk to you between now and the time they twist the knife, please update me on the two new ladies in your life. Ironic timing, I've been planning an extended wikibreak for some time, right after vote. I may start going up to the weekly open jam night at the local pub. Very cool place, they only sell beer brewed regionally, they have pot lucks and the like. you would approve. I'm actually a respectable blues guitarist, enough to keep up with the young bucks and teach them a thing or two. I need to be reminded what life is about. Drink a little, pick more, forget this place. See if it is possible to miss it. Dennis - 2¢ 02:02, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• And I just noticed that a comment I made, directly relating to GGTF and why I haven't joined (being that I founded WER and it seems natural that I would), and GorillaWarfare, who was eager to ban you, shut down the whole thread. [5]. Well, not the whole thread, just that section. I actually got a thank you notification from that. From a woman. No wonder I avoided most of that case, knowing I wouldn't be listened to anyway. Dennis - 2¢ 03:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I challenged GW about a bit of her hatting spree. It seemed, um, a bit one-sided. - Sitush (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  I've watched that clusterf--- from the sidelines, and I'm convinced that the arbs voting to ban Eric accepted the case mainly to that end. LHM^{ask me a question} 03:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Time for an amusing cat story. A teacher on a warm island, in the middle of a warm sea, has a weakness for cats. They now have approximately 26, due to their pupils presenting them with any old cat that can be found on the island. Teaching contract runs out next year, and the teacher will return, with cats, sometime in June, on a plane whose animal storage area (or whatever it's called) has been reserved for the herd. Alternative was chartering a catamaran, but no-one makes lifejackets for cats. I've volunteered to drive the van back from the airport, just for the laughs basically, although my instructions are not to stack the cats, which is going to be a bit awkward. I'm sure there'll be room for yet another old cat, so if ******* ***** fancies a free vacation… Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Call it a guess, but I think this comment might be seen as perhaps requesting some sort of input or response from you. John Carter (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Define "needless", maybe? This has been hashed out throughout the case. I'm at a loss why various people are suddenly turning up now, right at the death. - Sitush (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've made all the comments I feel it's necessary to make. If Jehochman chooses not to read them or to ignore them then that's his choice. That an admin would jump in at this late stage with such a clear agenda and without full knowledge of the facts is symptomatic of this case. Eric Corbett 22:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, I notice that some Arbitrators still appear to be persuadable. If you are about to get sanctioned, it would be great to say something like, "Hey, I recognize that using inflammatory language is not a good idea. I am smart enough to make my points without using those sort of words, and I will make sure to do better in the future." If you swing a couple arbitrators from "support" to "oppose" the result could be very different. Jehochman ^Talk 22:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've made my position clear, and I've already agreed to something along those lines, and even said so on my talk page more than a month ago now. I am not prepared to do more. Eric Corbett 22:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

if that is the case then it is a mistake for them to ban you. Jehochman ^Talk 22:31, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a mistake. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The whole thing is a farce. We need to ban POV pushers. Eric is no POV pusher. While the intention was probably good, commenting there would be as useless as flapping your arms wildly after you've been pushed off a cliff. Dennis - 2¢ 14:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great analogy. Like I said above, I'm convinced that there was a subset of arbs that accepted this case KNOWING they were going to push for banning Eric. Just a complete joke. LHM^{ask me a question} 16:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I feel pushed off the cliff already. Klag-Lied: "Durch ein persönliches schlichtes Klag-Lied erweiterte Dieterich Buxtehude Mit Fried und Freud zu einer Trauermusik für seinen Vater." (German Main page, today and tomorrow) - Commented three times, one more than I normally permit myself in my state of shame, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis & LHM are right, the whole thing is a farce; some of them had already made up their minds going in. Judges get disbarred for that. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 16:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But as people love to point out "there is no justice in Wikipedia." Intothatdarkness 17:14, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From the BBC archives, rare footage of a typical arbcom case in progress. — Writegeist (talk) 17:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I found this interesting, I thought you might too. Parrot of Doom 20:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting indeed. I'll have a read through that later to see if it mentions any accidental deaths of gong farmers. Eric Corbett 17:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Eric. Not sure how things are with you at present, but if you are so inclined, would you have a look at this article and advise if it is worthy of GAN? If so, may I have your advice and improvement of the text. Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a read through later Peter. If I've been banned by then just email me and I'll let you know what I think. Eric Corbett 17:43, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you could pass your email onto me too. I wouldn't want to lose touch with an editor whose opinions can be trusted. It says a lot about editor retention if the ultimate accolade in editing is a ban. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eric. Do you now have time to give this a look? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look tomorrow Peter. Eric Corbett 00:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. And thanks to you for another successful GAN. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you must be thinking of someone else. All I'm good for is chasing new editors away. Allegedly. Eric Corbett 16:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ho! ho! ho! What would we do without you? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I feel closely paraphrased ;) - going to nominate my second FAC next, nothing for you, Eric, a musical audition piece mentioning opera, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have I ever told you how much I hate opera, and indeed musicals in general? Eric Corbett 20:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think I said it's not for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True. I'm not a Philistine though, I like music and I like singing, I just can't stand the theatricality of musicals/opera. Eric Corbett 21:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Were I a resident council tax payer of Lancashire, which I believe you are (my geography becomes hazy once north of Watford), I would be irritated to know that my council tax was being squandered by its employees. Who instead of filling in potholes. coning off roads and doing whatever it is these people are paid to do, are actually anonymously editing Wikipedia, and making pointless attacking edits at that. No wonder the country is in such a state and taxes so high - thank goodness I don't pay them. Giano (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, Lancashire is to the north of me, I live in Greater Manchester. Eric Corbett 18:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Accrington is right next door to Burnley, I could hazard a reasonable guess as to the building this edit was made from, but it wasn't me I swear! :) As for squandering my council tax this is a drop in the ocean, believe me.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From past reports, there are a lot of potholes need filling thereabouts. - Sitush (talk) 20:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to have a distant recollection of a council employee anonymously attacking Eric before. I wish I knew how to work all those tools that look things up, but I don't. I see he's hopped on the ferry to the Isle of Man in the last few hours - he obviously has a very dull life - council employee to Isle of Man. I went there once, the Isle of Man, God it was dull - perhaps it perks when the Grand Prix is on - I do hope so but in November in the rain it's hard to imagine - the locals looked a bit odd too. So I feel very sorry for our county council employee, I suppose attacking Eric must be almost orgasmic by comparison to his/her day-to-day humdrum. Giano (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IoM perks up even more for the Isle of Man TT than the Manx GP, Giano. So do the prices, which are in any case normally pretty high even for essentials. If this is a council employee, I think their employer would have something to say about usage and abusage. - Sitush (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well if he's not an council employee, he must be a hacker. Gosh that's thrilling - just think local government and the privacy of a whole UK county is in peril because one person wants to attack Eric Corbett - didn't MI5 or Theresa May ought to be informed of this. Jimbo has friends in high places, just imagine if this were to be an embarrassment to him - we must protect him because widows, orphans and one armed lesbians in Lancashire are all at risk of having their details hacked. Giano (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

	Sing! (song)
	Ha! Hafspajen (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

God bless you, Eric. We all love you. 109.149.197.83 (talk) 07:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I'm slowly fading into my wikibreak (more slowly than I would care for, to be honest) I'm trying to tie up loose ends. I realize that I must leave my children here. Our children really. I even remember staying up late at night arguing over names. I ask that you take good care of them. Assuming I come back, I want to keep working on my 60s article. I even bought a book for it the other day, being forever the optimist. I have a two 1' stacks of books on my coffee table for the article, along with all my guitar stuff. Mrs. Brown is truly an angel; she hasn't complained once. It is linked on my front page, and of course, you are welcome to poke around if you want. You can see it has a different direction, although I'm not fixed as to format.

Working with you has been some of the best fun I've had here, and certainly the most educational. I hope I get to do it again. Dennis - 2¢ 22:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

God bless you, Dennis. We all love you. 109.148.35.89 (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please, not the loss of another actual content contributor! We are becoming an endangered species. I'm starting to feel like a voice in the wilderness here! Montanabw^(talk) 23:46, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Contributing content is hard work, and it takes its toll. Taking offence and filing spurious AN/I reports as a result is rather easier. Eric Corbett 23:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo knows nothing about that one of course. I was appalled to get an "email" from him the other day demanding money to give to the project. As if the work I've put in here isn't worth far more than I could possibly afford to give in the long term.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly does take its toll. Alas, I suspect that the toll will rise as this project becomes ever more dumbed down. - Sitush (talk) 01:05, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not worth it, Eric. Trolls etc. - Sitush (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. I've said all I have to say there anyway. Eric Corbett 18:38, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not. I do miss Hans. I read something the other day about people who lose one sense experiencing enhancement of their remaining senses and how this means that those with no sense of humour gain an increased sense of self-importance. pablo 19:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have just noticed that William Beach Thomas has been promoted to FA. What, with all the exhausting drama and a few pints of Doom Bar etc, it seems that I'd accidentally unwatched the thing. Perhaps more the latter than the former but I'm keeping schtum.

Anyway, the bot will apparently catch up with events and I am, as so often, very grateful for your help. There is no way I could have sorted out the intricacies without it. Obviously, I think it is quite a classy article; hopefully, others do also. Still room for improvement, though! - Sitush (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, what's next? Eric Corbett 11:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This place is getting me down a bit and I did say that getting the article through FAC might be the time when I reassess. I could probably get most of my other GA stuff through the FA process if I tried but I'm not sure that I can be bothered.

I have little desire right now to be around so many people who care less about content than civility/politics/social networking etc. I've just been reading the gendergap mailing list and that is particularly depressing, especially when I see people who seem sometimes maybe to be implying that it is only women who are attacked on the web. You know some of the grief I've had in recent months, and of course you get it yourself. - Sitush (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me about it. Eric Corbett 13:21, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should perhaps analyse the contributions of those who have commented extensively to the arbcom case. In particular, their contributions during the course of the case itself. I'd hazard a guess that those who have been ranged against us have done proportionately far less content work even while throwing all of the mud etc. One or two have probably done no content work of note at all and they certainly could do with a reminder of what our primary purpose is here. - Sitush (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The problem, I think, is that there is no single primary purpose shared by all editors. Even though WP is nominally a project about building an encyclopedia, in reality for many it's actually more about addressing issues such as gender disparity, to take a current issue. Eric Corbett 14:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True - everyone has varying degrees of issues they hold dear that they think should be more prominent, whether it is folklore, astronomy, environment, promoting the israeli/palestinian/conservative/left-wing/armenian/azerbaijani point of view or whatever. Some more innocuous than others and some more accommodating than.....that's a given really, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thing is, one can spend months or years happily doing content-work with very little arguing. I retreat to it when a bit burnt out. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What I don't understand is why your typical ANI-camping drama whore doesn't do that? I find rescuing an article from AfD or fixing up somebody's AfC submission to be a fun little passtime, yet I can't imagine some of those parked on the GGTF arbcom case doing that. Oh, Sitush, I'm more a Shepherd Neame man myself, but each to their own eh? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because saving content doesn't tick any of the boxes at RfA? Eric Corbett 21:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Writing content puts you up for scrutiny and judgement by others. I suspect some are reluctant to put themselves in this situation and have doubts about their own writing ability, or intrapsychically they hate the idea of potentially being in the 1-down position. AfD is a similar situation. Others like the drama I suspect, letting off steam that is collected in real life and venting it at others here, by manipulation or deletion or whatever. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good point. Eric Corbett 22:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I write articles in large part to get away from the drama that is caused by my edits to specifically Indian articles, edits that have almost always survived scrutiny but have inspired a massive amount of hate etc because they fit with our policies but not with the opponents' desires. - Sitush (talk) 22:29, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(chuckle) the funny (well, not so funny) side is when disputes flare up on (one would have thought) totally innocuous/noncontroversial subjects, such as me at Alpha Centauri and Eric at kelpie. Worth a thought sometime on the most obscure things folks have tussled about (other than really obvious ones) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:15, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TBH I don't really mind at all if folks don't do much content contribution as long as they don't lord it over folks that do. If a person continually (exclusively) positions themself into a position of faux authority (e.g. passing judgement at AfD, DYK, mainpage, arbpages, ANI) and casts judgement with varying amounts of sanctimoniousness and/or acrimony, then I have a problem with that. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do try to reflect this in real life - I am a consultant psychiatrist so in clinical situations at the top of the pecking order, yet I tell the junior doctors and nurses that I am accountable for every action I take, so anyone at all at my work is most welcome to question me on anything I do as I should be able to explain the rationale for any medication I prescribe, test I order or patient I admit/don't admit/discharge etc. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber: I would have loved to work with you, then. As it was, before I was retired, I had an academic lectureship where staff changes meant that eventually many of the psychiatrists apparently couldn't distinguish between the idea of someone "working for" them and someone "working with" them, and that if I did my job properly (the one I was always told to do by the university), I wasn't doing what they wanted, and if I did what they wanted, I wasn't doing my job properly. After being put in an impossible situation, much worse than what I've hinted at here, I had to do the right thing, which was a poisoned chalice, and so I was eventually retired.  DDStretch  (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! Sounds terrible! Only worked in the UK for 6 months - at the Maudsley, which was quite fun. Yeah, some jobs and areas are a bit like tightrope walking that's for sure......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I put The Who up for FAC a day or two ago having spent about a year on it, but almost immediately thought "Have I got the time and patience to tackle the workload?" Partly due to general aptitude (I don't have a BA in English) and partly because of the sheer amount of stuff going on and (especially) off wiki in my life. Have to be honest I probably should have asked you two first but this bloody Arbcom case is really getting everyone down. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You never know. Depends how long the FAC page gets.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Depends if Eric gets his teeth stuck into it. Since he seems to avoiding a ban, it looks like we might get some more FAs after all. But I've just done a few random searches for places in Greater Manchester and they all seem to be GA or above, except Salford Quays. Damn content creators. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:33, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Today I came across some content prophecy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing much has changed since then really. I think everyone pretty much realises that acceptance of a case means that punishments will be handed out, it's just their severity that's at issue. Eric Corbett 22:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't look at arbcom much, but get nervous to sick when I see a majority of votes for banning a user with whom I want to keep working, - happened twice only, thank goodness, and both turned around. Back to ignoring. - Did you vote. I got nice answers to my question, much better than ban proposals, from "go and sin no more" to "no foul, play on", - even "common sense" was mentioned, would you believe that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't vote. What would be the point? Nothing would change. Eric Corbett 23:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Editors topic banned by the Committee under this remedy are prohibited on the English Wikipedia from: (i) editing the pages of the Gender Gap Task Force; (ii) discussing the gender disparity among Wikipedians; and (iii) participating in any process broadly construed to do with these topics. An uninvolved admin may remove any comments that breach this remedy, and impose blocks as necessary. The Committee's standard provisions on enforcement of arbitration provisions and appeals and modifications of arbitration enforcements apply.
2. Carolmooredc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is indefinitely topic banned from the Gender gap topic.
3. For her actions discussed in this case, Carolmooredc is indefinitely banned from the English Language Wikipedia. She may request reconsideration of the ban twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
4. Eric Corbett (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is indefinitely topic banned from the Gender gap topic.
5. Eric Corbett agrees to a restriction prohibiting him from shouting at, swearing at, insulting and/or belittling other editors. The restriction comes into immediate effect on the passing of this motion.

   If Eric Corbett finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve.

   If however, in the opinion of an uninvolved administrator, Eric Corbett does engage in prohibited conduct, he may be blocked. The first two such blocks shall be of 72 hours duration, increasing thereafter for each subsequent breach to one week, one month, and three months. Any blocks under this provision are arbitration enforcement actions and may only be reviewed or appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Should a fifth block (three months) prove necessary, the blocking administrator must notify the Arbitration Committee of the block via a Request for Clarification and Amendment so that the remedy may be reviewed.

   The enforcing administrator may also at their discretion fully protect Eric Corbett's talk page for the duration of the block.

   Nothing in this remedy prevents enforcement of policy by uninvolved administrators in the usual way.

6. Neotarf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is indefinitely topic banned from the Gender gap topic. Neotarf is also warned that complaints about usernames should be made through appropriate channels and that further accusations, as well as unnecessary antagonism, may result in sanctions.
7. For their actions discussed in this case, and in particular for adopting a consistently hostile attitude to other contributors, Neotarf is indefinitely banned from the English Wikipedia. They may request reconsideration of the ban twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
8. Sitush (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is warned not to create articles regarding editors he is in dispute with.
9. Sitush and Carolmooredc are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
10. SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s actions regarding Carolmooredc have led to a 1-way interaction ban imposed by the community following a noticeboard discussion. [6]
11. Two kinds of pork (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is indefinitely topic banned from the Gender gap topic.
12. Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for pages relating to the Gender gap task force. The availability of sanctions is not intended to prevent free and candid discussion on these pages, but sanctions should be imposed if an editor severely or persistently disrupts the discussion.

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 08:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this

Hi Eric. I have been watching the Anne Frank article since the departure of Rossrs, the fellow who brought it to FA some years ago. Structurally the article is in good shape, with no dead links, and everything is sourced. But what with the wee additions to the article over the years, especially near the bottom of the article, I was wondering if you would be interested in having a look at the prose, to help ensure that it still meets FA standards? If you are not interested or don't have time right now that's okay. Regards, -- Diannaa (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a great shame if that article lost its FA status, she was a brave little girl, but as it's about a female I'm not sure I can help. Eric Corbett 00:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Before it was discovered that Eric hates women and is chasing all the women away he helped me with the To Kill a Mocking Bird article when it was being subjected to a rash of edits that I did not see as improvements (even though it was Moni's FA and the book is about a girl and written by a woman and I'm a woman)... So maybe, Diannaa, you can get him to put his dislike of women aside just one more time? Gandydancer (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like women, just as much as I like men, but I think it's safer for me in the current climate to steer well away from articles about women. I've got nothing to gain there and only the threat of an ArbCom sanction should I say or do something anyone takes exception to, so it's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Eric Corbett 01:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I do not believe that ARB1 could be read that broadly. Anne Frank was a brave woman; please make her article look as good as possible. DYK that I used to live across the street from her house? Drmies (talk) 05:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Drmies here, though one of us could ask a clerk for clarification. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Broadly construed" is a licence to kill as far as I'm concerned. Eric Corbett

You're correct, Eric. In these situations there's only 2 choices for avoiding the hot poker - 1) Stay away or 2) Stay away. It was a lesson I had to learn, from April 2013 to May 2014. GoodDay (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No no no, it can't be that way. "These topics" (which follows "broadly construed") must refer to the Gender Gap Task Force and the gender disparity. Not to women. If that were the case you couldn't edit anything at all since the entire universe is female (or female-born, for the deists among us). Perhaps this is a good occasion to ask Dianna(a) for some enlightenment: how is it that Dianna is simultaneously the goddess of chastity and of childbirth? I am sure she is at (ArbCom-licensed) liberty to explain the matter. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That would be "narrowly construed", not "broadly construed". Eric Corbett 15:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although I think Eric may be taking it to an extreme, his concern is not without warrant. Broad is pretty broad. I just asked at WP:ARCA for clarification of my own gun control topic ban, and it came back that I should not edit the commandeering article (a generic federalism concept) because SCOTUS last ruled on the subject in Printz v. United States which coincidentally involved gun control. Gaijin42 (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The remedy adopted in the arbitration does not, by any interpretation, mean that Eric Corbett cannot edit articles about women. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Eric, interpreting the ArbCom restriction as making it risky to edit articles about women is silly; not even your most rabid enemies would try that gambit, and if they did, they would be slapped down hard. I'm positive.

Let's be more direct. I imagine instead that you're so offended at the stupid recurring casual slander that you're some kind of misogynist (including by our fearless leader himself), that you're boycotting this kind of article in protest. I'd be just as pissed off if I were in your shoes. But keep in mind that those who call you a misogynist do not care whether Anne Frank is an FA or not; they're busy playing other games. If I had any suggestions for a boycott target that would actually affect them, I'd make it, but I don't. But Anne Frank isn't it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Perhaps, but all it would take would be for someone to post on the talk page something along the lines of "we have far too few articles on female Holocaust victims" and I'm stuffed. Eric Corbett 16:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Trust me, Eric. If in doubt, don't go about. Like myself, you've got many eyes on your every move. GoodDay (talk) 16:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• (edit conflict) Eric, yours seems to be a very literal interpretation but with people like Sandstein around it perhaps does pay to err massively on the side of caution. I think NYB and Floq have it right but, really, who knows in the present environment. - Sitush (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Just for curiosity, I asked NYB. Turn to the horse, that horse is male, - nobody could predict reactions if you engaged with a female horse, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Given our precious enemy of the state culture, GoodDay's advice is quite solid. In a sane, equitable system Eric would be able to work on an article like this, but I think most of us understand (even if it won't be said aloud) that our system is neither sane nor equitable. Intothatdarkness 17:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• (pictured) (sorry about the repetition for those who saw it already: that a candidate for arbitrator dared to type the phrase "common sense", - remember that an edit that without doubt improved Wikipedia kept three noticeboards busy for weeks?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Eric, I got California Chrome to FA earlier this year, but he's had three races since then, so I would be very grateful if you could kindly do two things for me:

1. Look over the new stuff added since the FAC (this diff) and do your copyediting magic (you already did so for the rest) and
2. Now that 2014 has come to a close (other than possible year-end awards) can you give the whole thing a glance and suggest areas where I could just plain chop out some material on the grounds of it being news at the time but no longer really relevant? During the FAC, User:Dr. Blofeld suggested that the article was a bit too long when one considers that the horse will probably race next year - and he was right - but at the time I was getting a half-million hits and having wiki cribbed all over by the mainstream press. Now that the year is over and all has settled down, we have the benefit of hindsight to determine what actually mattered and what did not (I still like the opossum story, though). Your eyes (and those of your stalkers) will be much appreciated. (also pinging other FAC reviewers, User:Dank, User: Crisco 1492, though your new jobs may preclude you from a copyedit if I want this to be a TFA next year...) Montanabw^(talk) 19:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Montanabw, I stubbed Alberto Delgado (jockey), care to expand?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:05, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Montanabw^(talk) 20:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You've been a good friend, so I'll certainly take a look. Eric Corbett 00:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Against the backdrop of Lightbreather screaming blue murder to have the location of her IP address deleted from history I find this.[7] Tells me everything I need to know. Eric Corbett 00:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprising but the irony of the complaints and proposed actions is huge. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It will be interesting to see what conclusions Marinka posts on her web site in the spring after a few months of investigation, but I'm damned if I'll be shamed by "only" having set up a charitable fund to help animals, even if they are "only" ferrets. The double dealing here is quite extraordinary. Eric Corbett 00:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrets are good little creatures 8) I'd get one but my rat terrier would try and eat it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• To the best of my knowledge, Marinka is a sock of Coat of Many Colours, who was a long-term sock of Rinpoche. Did you interact with either of the latter two enough to make them want vengeance on you? I think it's interesting that the user name dropped you when blocked, even though that account never interacted with you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Not a sock of Coat as I said on my Talk page, though I am happy to confess to literally dozens of sock accounts over the past five years as I pursue my personal passion. Free world eh? No issues (nor interactions) with Eric (certainly with AAij) as I also made clear. Generally sympathetic to Eric. Cheers. 86.151.173.229 (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2014 (UTC) (Marinka - a pseudonym of course)[reply]

  Coat of Many Colours rings a bell, but I can't remember why. Eric Corbett 01:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  You made a comment about her (doubting her geekiness) on Hafspajen's Talk page. You posted on your IP since you were blocked at the time. Coat as a matter of fact isn't very good with computers - a standing joke in our circle. You got that right about Dubai BTW. 86.151.173.229 (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2014 (UTC) (M)[reply]

  That IP posting is absolutely nothing to do with me. Eric Corbett 01:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, they are Rinpoche? (Not that I know them--I have heard of them.) Well, Mr. Corbett, you'll have to do more to be appropriately famous since that will excuse your sexism and your exercise of power (or lack thereof?)--or did I completely misunderstand this attempt at incrimination? Drmies (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • • I've outlined the evidence in several places. I'm convinced. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm just about the least sexist person I know, and why people keep claiming that I am is completely beyond me. Eric Corbett 01:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• You're certainly a lot sexist than old Sitush, with his masculinity pointing at the skies. Drmies (talk) 01:18, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Do what? I'm not sure how I have offended you, Drmies, but I really do not understand some of your recent comments about me. - Sitush (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Steady on, remember what we talked about last week? Eric Corbett 01:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh, you've not offended me at all, Sitush--it's just my biannual reference to that photograph of yours, you know? :) And oh yeah, I forgot: I missed the meetup, again. I trust y'all had a splendid time. Maybe I'll submit to the medieval get-together in Leeds one of these days and look up Marinka van Dam as well, on my way to the "Manchester circle and sausagefest", to shake y'all's hands and look at the ferrets. Sitush, your bike still running? Drmies (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[ec] I think I've worked it out, sorry to both of you. It may be an allusion to a certain photograph. Probably not the best time to mention that thing given what is brewing off-wiki but, hey.- Sitush (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• • • [multi ec] Whoever it may be, it is another example of the politicisation of this place. I don't do politics. I've never done politics. I've never even voted in council/national elections etc and am certainly not going to change my ways for anything that is more than a committee of some allegedly apolitical group or another. If people want to play a political game then I want no part in it. Basically, it looks like I'm out of here because as soon as "big" politics gets involved, reason exeunts and dogma comes centre stage. - Sitush (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

      Basically that time-wasting GGTF ArbCom case hasn't resolved anything, only driven the conflict to other areas of Wikimedia. Eric Corbett 01:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• It's a manipulation on your decided verbage of course. But enough out of me I have libations of home made cider to attend to. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I had quite forgotten that Rinpoche honored me a few years ago with a visit. I still don't understand the obsession, the roleplaying, all that fake outrage. And DYK that the Marinka name is either an impersonation of a real person or an elaborately built ruse? Sad. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going for the latter. I didn't see anything that suggests that the MvD account was based on a real person. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I appreciate the reminder as to why I studiously ignore the "mailing lists". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about mailing lists and behind the scenes stuff but the original post in this thread reminded me of how hypocritical all that weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth is when that editor appears to have had no qualms about trying to do the same thing to me. (now hatted). J3Mrs (talk) 10:06, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They should have renamed the whole time consuming (don't find polite word) unbelievable case to The Irony of GGTF - btw my edit with the highest number of thank-you-clicks so far. - Did you know that I suggested to use simply "GGTF" and had the feeling that arbitration understood me, the first time ever I had that feeling ;) (Note that individual arbitrators understood me before, but not when they decided as a group.) - Please (not you, Eric, see above, but you others): vote. We don't need another case like that, which means we need people who look though things from the start. "Hope" is the first comment on my talk, written by a candidate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You probably already have seen [the admission] but the evasion wasn't them. Seems Legit. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"You don't mess with Manchester. Manchester has muscle." Jeanette Winterson, just before 8 o'clock news, a trail for a series next week. PamD 08:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Art gallery? What's an art gallery?"- Mancunian on being asked for directions to Manchester Art Gallery. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry kid, I would have difficulty with that one- but if you had asked me for The City Art Gallery thats another story. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, even if the natives get confused by the conjunction of "Manchester" and "Art" I'd just like to express my support for Eric (and disgust at the activities of CoMC). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Jeanette Winterson is the god of writing. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The programme is Manchester: Alchemical city, five 15-minute episodes, next Monday-Friday (8th-12th Dec), 13:45, BBC Radio 4. PamD 23:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks interesting, I'll definitely try and catch that. Given recent events it's interesting that the blurb characterises Manchester as a "combative and insubordinate urban centre". Eric Corbett 00:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might enjoy the programmes, if you haven't already, about "one of the most important cities the world has ever seen". Winterson has an interesting take on its radicalism, John Dee, alchemy and other interesting observations. I'll be listening to the rest. J3Mrs (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I had to take a couple of ferrets to the vet, so I missed it. But I think I can catch it on the BBC's iPlayer, which I'll check out now. Eric Corbett 16:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

... yep, just listened to the first two episodes. Very enjoyable. Eric Corbett 17:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the dust is finally beginning to settle on that ridiculous GGTF ArbCom case – which never had anything to do with the GGTF in reality, as I predicted – I have one observation to make.

There were four findings of fact relating to me, all of them entirely negative. No mention at all of the forty-seven FAs, the numerous GAs, the almost six hundred GA reviews I carried out, or the very many editors I've helped to get their articles to that standard. I think that tells us everything we need to know about our lords and masters, and may go some way towards explaining why I might not be in any hurry to return to editing after my next Monday break. Eric Corbett 23:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

nothing special about that case, see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not unusual to see cases get hijacked in the way this one was, I agree. Eric Corbett 23:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever see that the arbitrators apologised for unfair treatment, like they should to you now? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That'll be a cold day in Hell! Eric Corbett 15:05, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I bang my head against a desk trying to get one FA, so with 47 of them you must have a sore head Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the findings were unbalanced. They should have recognized your contributions, to place things in context. In future cases it would be useful to present such statistics in evidence, propose a finding in the workshop, and then nag the arbitrators on the proposed decision talk page to make sure they include it. Such a finding would have addressed the unreasonable objection, "why were these two [highly disruptive] female editors banned while the male editor wasn't?" As for future cases, I am sure we will see more instances where productive contributors are taken to arbitration by POV pushing battle mongers. Jehochman ^Talk 15:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jehochman: It won't even be necessary for the so-called battle-mongers to go to Arbcom. ANI lends itself to quick flash-swarm lynchings and it's much less effort to do the trick there. The WP model of consensus and continuous revision works well in articles with a large population of active and pagewatching editors. It does not work for most WP pages. SPECIFICO talk 15:56, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Most WP pages shouldn't even exist. We're hosting more and more shite by the day. Ever heard the saying, "If you want to find a needle in a haystack, don't add more hay". - Sitush (talk) 02:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Principles 5 and 6 both infer Eric's (and others) contributions, but I agree they could have been more explicit, perhaps as was done for Sitush. I agree with Jehochman that being explicit would make it easier for others to understand why the result was lopsided. I'm unclear on why you think you were treated unfairly. You got away with a wrist slap considering what was on the table and how many people were out for blood.Gaijin42 (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I said he was treated unfairly. So nice to get away with only a leg taken while life was at stake. Repeating the edit that collected my highest thank-you result so far: "Can't help thinking that some women widened the gender gap they proclaimed to close, - we others are left who didn't even see a gap." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Like Gerda said. And I am an unabashed feminist. So if anyone takes issue on that point, they can come crying to me. That said, I'm not apt to be sympathetic. Montanabw^(talk) 22:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There definitely appeared to be a whiff of Self-fulfilling prophecy at work when you considered the manner in which certain objectives were being presented and pursued. At times it seemed so extreme that Hyperbole and Self-parody came to my mind, along with a suspicion that Fifth columnism might become a reasonable model to understand certain behaviour. "With friends like that, who needs enemies". No doubt someone, somewhere is busy writing this down as mafia evidence now.  DDStretch  (talk) 02:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notice how Jimbo is studiously trying to keep out of things, having effectively made false promises that spurred people on? If you want a scapegoat for the entire farrago, there's your man. - Sitush (talk) 02:31, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody take a quick peek at Talk:Mersea Island/GA1? The main bone of contention is the reviewer, Biblioworm thinks there should be more commas in it to improve readability, I think there ought to be less for the same reason. I have thrown the mantra around of "every time you remove a comma, Eric cheers" but which one of us is right here? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps infamy. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html Gaijin42 (talk) 18:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Who gives a shit what Auerbach thinks? Especially given that he can't even get the story straight. - Sitush (talk) 18:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what he thinks but he might have copied "mind-numbingly bureaucratic as a Kafka story" from my simpler reference to Kafka after arbitration, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The comments are interesting, which is unusual. Montanabw^(talk) 21:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I won't repeat my opinion of Jimbo Wales here as it would get me blocked. Suffice it to say that I haven't changed my mind. Eric Corbett 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I've never heard of Mr Auerbach, so I don't know how worthy his opinions are. I've never noticed any great adverse sentiments towards women here; it's sometimes a bit of a rough and tumble for all, but what group of intellectuals, egotists and hypochondriacs isn't? So for the project's benefit, I asked Mrs G why she though we had fewer women here, and apparently it's because "most women have other more vital things to do - having babies, washing, ironing, shopping all while simultaneously holding down their highly paid careers - whereas their husbands mow the lawn on Summer Saturday morning, light the barbecue on Saturday evenings, and the on all other evenings of the year have precious little else to do than play with their laptops while pretending to be working on a spreadsheet." I'm not sure I agree with that, but I a sure a lot of other women will, and there probably is some small grain of truth at the bottom of it - albeit it's a rather sexist theory. Giano (talk) 08:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a large grain of truth in that. I was listening to a discussion on Woman's hour on Radio 4 the other week - as a fully reconstructed male I listen to stuff like that. They were talking about men's attitude to to housework, and they reckoned that the majority of men (myself excluded, of course!) will "help" their wife with it but still feel somehow it's her responsibility, even if she also has a full-time job. One woman recounted the story of the time she came home from work and her husband said "you didn't notice I've mown the lawn." She replied "You didn't notice I've vacuumed the carpets, tidied and dusted the living room and washed and put away the crockery" and he said "Well, that's different". I apologise in advance if this opens a large and bitter can of worms :-) I've thought all along about the gender gap that, probably, many women just aren't interested in editing. Certainly, whenever I mention it to anyone they usually say "that's interesting" and then look at me as if I'm a bit weird. Richerman (talk) 10:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like this comment : "The real reason Wikipedia has gender bias is not because women are not interested, but that the structure of the site is not set up to devolve power from the 90% young, white, educated men who contribute to the site". (example here) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the worst case scenario is that 10% of contributors are women (figures vary, some say 15%), the implication is that everyone else is a young white educated male. Well, I'm not young and I doubt that many who edit in the India-related topic area are white. This just looks like another example of people making sweeping generalisations with no obvious means of support. - Sitush (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Eric, for your work on Geoffrey (archbishop of York), "not noted for his saintly restraint nor his even temper. ... the sheer number of disputes made the chronology much more tortured than usual" (said the nominator), - precious again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you still have Highbeam access? Could you get this for me, please? Chandra Shekhar is in a right mess and I thought I would do some fettling. - Sitush (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sitush – I have access; how do you want me to transmit it to you? Go Phightins! 21:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've sent you an email. - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Emailed it to you. Thanks. Go Phightins! 00:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]