If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)

To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:

{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}

{{-}}

at the top, and

[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]

at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?

As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo! El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe "stupid" was a bit harsh, but it's not a good look. Of course, nor was Avilich's getting on a high horse either. The whole thing on both sides is just insanely petty and idiotic ... which often happens when an impassioned "expert" in the subject matter meets the impassioned "experts" in whatever-wiki-guideline is up for discussion. It might be because while this whole kerfluffle was going on, I was also dealing with a nationalistic battleground editor on The Holocaust who has been brought up in the past for their editing issues and let off the hook - so I'm not in the best of moods about watching someone else get the book thrown at them while I'm left to deal with much more disruptive crap yet again. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All the above to say ... I probably shouldn't have said "stupid" and for that, my apologies. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but it's not the book, it's a one week block, after multiple warnings. I've advised them to gain outside input into the dispute through a WP:DRR, which they may advertise to experts on relevant wikiprojects. Wouldn't that be better than continuing with the BATTLEGROUND, for naught, as they have been at ANI, even after multiple warnings? I'm thinking long term. El_C 14:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You'll note that I counseled them to drop the stick on their talk page. I just think that escalating the block to a whole week was a bit much. But I'm often a softie. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more than happy to lift the block with immediate effect if they express an interest in resolving the content dispute the right way. Their contributions to the ANI complaint are not that. El_C 14:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that probably didn't need a whole ass ANI thread but hey...it worked! In any case, they're already back and socking. CUPIDICAE💕 15:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was fast! El_C 15:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've also sent that page into the Shadow Realm. El_C 15:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

link

If you don't know why the last movement (whose idiom you may recognise) is called a dance of death, listen to it before reading our article. Narky Blert (talk) 20:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dark times. And also dark end to Ian MacDonald. El_C 23:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Munrow's death was an unexpected and unwelcome shock. I remember Pied Piper, as mandatory listening. Narky Blert (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will check out. El_C 12:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, don't know if you're aware but User:MusikAnimal/responseHelper makes answering RfPP requests much easier (in my opinion). It doesn't help you with the protection itself, but it lets you click to insert the standard responses. Keep up the good work. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words, HJ Mitchell, and for the tip. But truth be told, I like driving manual. Yours, El_C 04:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I like anything that saves me typing, especially if I'm editing from a phone or tablet! All the best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, my summaries are often too stupid for anyone but my own manual self to be associated with (example from earlier today: [4][5]), so looks like it'll be ctrl.c/v for the foreseeable future. El_C 13:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can downgrade him to semi-protected as his thing is now over 81.104.240.42 (talk) 23:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure np. Done. El_C 04:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ElC, hope you're doing well. I didn't want to add this to ANI as enough already has been said, so I'll ask here if you don't mind. Do you think this is canvassing? They could've chosen any third party user, but choose someone involved from the overlapping Turks/Kurds area and a tr-wiki admin, who also happened to vote in a discussion they participated recently. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not El C, but I reached out to the user and advised them about canvassing. Hopefully that takes care of it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Mr Radish. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Just picking up the slack that El C can't handle. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry, I'm watching Tessa Lamb survive (?) dark time lords and a zombie apocalypse, you know how it goes. El_C 22:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better than this shit my wife has me watching. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: this is very bad. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was not aware of the term body horror. Back to the body horror: with her trusty SCAR-L and a Remington 870 and a Glock 18C. As one barricaded location after another falls to the horde, escaping in multiple vehicles through treacherous roads with a dwindling party, as they face deadlier and deadlier zombies and entities, some of which are locals (NPCs), some real players (infected). As the fog and darkness closes in (literally), their mettle is tested. Probably the best non-comedy GTA V RP I've seen thus far. El_C 23:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing has happened yet in this movie. There's a baby alien, which they keep saying smells bad. This is no The Thing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My heart leapt when I heard those sweet words uttered: Cornwood you're still alive?! (timestamp). Hope lingers yet still. El_C 23:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well this movie still has nothing going on. At least all the characters are horrible and unlikeable. I'm on team alien kills all the women. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, shit. Tessa's down. Moving to Cornwood. Starting point: Sheriff Cornwood returns to PD, faces zombie apocalypse on first day back. El_C 00:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well my movie is done, and it was hot garbage. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Magic racoon joins PD, befriends Cornwood (sorta): Ycheck. Patient zero not actually a random dog on a peer: Ycheck. Senior Captain Sheriff Cornwood manning the technical's .50 cal, shooting [quote] literally every person not in a PD uniform: Ycheck Ycheck Y check. The adventure continues. El_C 12:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after having time to sleep in the movie I watched last night, I realized it's still definitely hot garbage. On the other hand, I looked at my contributions, and within the next month or so I should pass 10,000 edit requests handled. That's quite a few. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's... a lot. I think I answered, like, 5. Anyway: James Randal makes a brief appearance (left for dead). El_C 18:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, the vast majority are vandalism I revert, empty requests I remove or requests I summarily deny, so it's not as impressive as it seems. Wish me luck, tomorrow starts the season of my trying to fill my freezer with trout. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Five, I tell you! I had Halibut for lunch. It was super-good. El_C 23:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also: TESSAAAA! El_C 00:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finale: Cornwood crashes technical, but still manages to drive his party to safety in a minivan as the city is nuked from orbit (it's the only way to be sure). Or was it all just a (fever) dream? El_C 09:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article Battle of Izium (2022) may need protection. Less than an hour after it was created, anonymous IP editor (that already previously removed sourced content and its references in other articles) removed content and its RS references (WSJ & CNN) from the article as seen here [6][7][8][9]. He has continued with his actions despite already being reverted twice, by me and one other editor. EkoGraf (talk) 20:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He's now also resorted to inserting unsourced information contrary to cited references. Example [10][11], inserting that the Russians were still attempting to surround the city, despite being told in the edit summary that the cited source clearly states the city is already blockaded. EkoGraf (talk) 21:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. That's Senior Captain Cornwood to you! El_C 23:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ay ay Captain! EkoGraf (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Senior Captain, how dare you?! And how dare you rely on "Russian claims" (apparently) by citing the... Wall Street Journal. El_C 23:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Senior Captain, didn't know the Wall Street Journal was bought by the Russian oligarchs. XD PS In all seriousness, I thought about it a bit later and removed it myself since the WSJ may have been stating it based on the earlier Russian MoD statement, but didn't attribute it. If it becomes more clearer in a few days that the town has actually been taken I will reinstate it. EkoGraf (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I'll leave it to your discretion as I know next to nothing about this battle, but broadly speaking, it isn't really our role to dig into whatever primary sources reputable 2ndry sources make use of in their reporting. Now, if other 2ndry sources were to say otherwise, or, if the original publication made a correction, or, if new info were to come to light in some other way (as seem to have been the case here) and any combination therein... that's different. El_C 00:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree on all accounts. However, the thing that pushed me towards this is that it seems the Institute for the Study of War has argued the battle is still ongoing, contrary to WSJ and even a US DoD official who confirmed its capture. So I would rather wait a few more days for more sources to show, so I could argue the case with more verifiability and resolve issues such as this [12]. EkoGraf (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Glasgow - "As Soon As This Pub Closes"

Narky Blert (talk) 08:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understood most of it! I thought it was "pub," though, not pob. El_C 14:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's Geordie, from the posh (south) side of the river, Gateshead (2 syllables in "gate"). Depending on where you are, the "u" in "pub" can be almost anything.

Chucking-out time will not be televised: Splodgenessabounds - Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps Please. Narky Blert (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

True, I've definitely heard p00b before. And those crisps are chipsy (and those chips are crispy, even). El_C 21:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw you clerking (and reverting) what you though was a double bold vote on the MEK talk, and I just noticed a discussion at ANI that touched on the same issue. More generally, I've seen the matter crop up on various discussions, but without reference to a policy. Is there a specific guideline on making multiple bolded responses in discussions, or is it just a community best practice/clerking matter? Iskandar323 (talk) 10:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know or don't remember if it's spelled out anywhere. El_C 10:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The accusation of racism by Drmies is a bridge to far in my book and I don't see the outcome not resulting in me being topic banned. So if you just want to do it be my guest. I don't really care that much about it anyway. Nor do I feel like sitting through the endless barrage of gaslighting or doing the amount boot licking it would take for me to not be topic banned. So there's zero reason to continue the ANI complaint. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gaslighting and boot licking, got it. El_C 03:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have opened an ANI here. Could you have a look at it and, if possible, impose sanctions where needed?
Last time I opened an ANI for this user, no action was taken until three days later after I asked some admins to have a look at it, so this time I decided to start asking sooner. The admin Ymblanter does not want to intervene for - from what I understand - ethical reasons. Thanks in advance. Veverve (talk) 18:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Veverve. Sorry, but generally, I don't want to look at complex arbitration enforcement requests at ANI. I don't like its format for that. I prefer WP:AE. To that: this user hasn't even been given a discretionary sanctions alert, so procedurally, that would have to happen first. Anyway, I just don't think ANI works well in resolving disputes of that nature. It's unlimited word count, freeform threaded discussion often gets long and convoluted.

But I randomly looked at one example (that's all I have time for right now) in which the user replaced Yuzhne with a redlink on the Odessa page, which in turn was called "pure vandalism." But then they created that page, Pivdennyi Port, whose veracity I can't speak of, but on the surface looks okay'ish. My point, then, is that it's all about how the evidence is compiled and presented. @Tsans2: courtesy ping.

Finally, just to be clear: I don't want the case effectively filed, or the matter argued, here, on my talk page. My above note is more of a statement on my position than an invitation to discuss the particulars of the dispute (which would also serve to split the ongoing discussion). So either one of you, respond only if you absolutely must (concisely). El_C 20:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would you prefer to discuss the sign I saw on a urinal that said , "OUT OF ORDER DUE TO REPAIR"? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Fucking magnets, how do they work?" El_C 20:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C thanks for a ping. I was also shocked when I was called a vandal after changing the misleading link to Yuzhne city instead of not-yet-written article about Pivdennyi Port (till 2017 Yuzhnyi). Then, I just translated a page about one of the largest Ukrainians seaports and this red link became normal one :) Tsans2 (talk) 09:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, but I hope you could see why folks would be concerned when you replace a blue link with a read one that leads nowhere (even if it's inherently more precise). Sorry to see you got WP:TBAN'd. The topic areas covered by discretionary and general sanctions are especially volatile on the project, so there's just a lot less leniency to be had there. Usually, I tell users to wait 6 months -worth of productive editing elsewhere before they should appeal, but in your case, I think 3 might be enough — based solely on how inexperienced you are (otherwise again, I'm not familiar with your history outside of that one example I listed). Good luck! El_C 13:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ElC, the page Farukh you protected is seeing some potential sockpuppetry. Particularly interesting the Talk:Farukh#Requested_move_27_March_2022 discussion, an IP and an account with single contributions [13], [14]. I was watching an unrelated ANI thread about SPI issues and whatnot, so didn't want to file an SPI straight ahead. Do you think it's warranted here? ZaniGiovanni (talk) 21:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but labeling !votes by those accounts as {{canvassed}} or {{spa}}, respectively, should help the closer. El_C 21:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Farukh

Hi,

Just interested, is voting for rename here considers quality or number of the voters?

I did a research, and initial research on which this proposal for rename does not consider that in Azerbaijani correct name of the village is Farrukh, not Farukh.

Saying that here is the more detailed research, which completely opposes initial one. "Farrukh" absolutely outnumbers both "Parukh" and "Farukh":

Thanks in advance,

Regards, --Abrvagl (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Sorry, I don't understand why you're telling me about it. What's my connection to this page? El_C 16:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, looks like I protected it for a year a week ago (AEL diff). But I still don't understand what you're asking me to do (or why you refactored material from the WP:RM over here). El_C 16:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I contacted you is because I do not know many people on the Wikipedia. Basically, without context, my question is in the voting process for rename / delete decisions, does admin consider number of votes or actually the case it self (quality of the votes)? Abrvagl (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quality. See WP:NOTAVOTE. El_C 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! Abrvagl (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ElC, sorry to bother you but could you take a look at the user WikiNutt? They keep edit-warring and removing material from an article without any consensus or discussion [15], [16], [17], [18]. Apparently, this user thinks personal attacks through edit description is the way to go despite multiple warnings in their talk page:

You really should stop pushing an agenda ... Not sure why racist ultranationalists are pushing to shrink the estimated figures of Azerbaijanis in Iran, probably to further delegitimize them.

I don't expect impartiality from someone named "HistoryofIran" on this subject. (after being warned).

I tried to reason with them but to no avail. They edit-warred again [19], and again no talk discussion whatsoever or consensus. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 02:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks. El_C 15:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C,

The user:Emir of Wikipedia is clear vandalism and POV pushing.

What he is doing is a clear case of nothing but WP:DISRUPTIVE editing.

1) What's the POINT of having citations duplicated/repeated for no reason?

2) Another instance where the Lead is already re-written, he still adds the "lead needs to be re-written" tag.

3) No other page on wiki has reliable source needed and citation needed tags every other line! Shouldn't One tag for the whole para be enough?

4) Every line of Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan#Honours_and_Eponyms has got need quotations to verify tag. thereby making article look very UNTIDY and messy I must say.

Yes, everyone has right to opinion, but disruptive editing is not the way sir. Request you to do the needful, be it involving a neutral editor OR taking action on the said account OR whatever you dseem fit.

Sincere Thanks, Abby1101 (talk) 04:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Abby1101. Sorry, dealing with Emir of Wikipedia is taxing, and I've had my fill for a while, so it's someone else's turn to suffer through whatever this is. El_C 07:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tag someone (any tenured/administrator) whose help I could use?

Regards, Abby1101 (talk) 13:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I wouldn't want to impose on that person by making such a request on your behalf. If you feel you have a solid case of misconduct, you can submit a report to WP:ANI. Regards, El_C 13:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello El_C, there is a GLutt5550 that have been warned by other user and me about the use of YT and blogs on the content of certain articles. However he continue with his stance of adding YouTube and Blogs. Could you warn him.Mr.User200 (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure np. But YouTube and blogs are not prohibited outright, they just need to represent reputable persons or entities. For example, citing something from the NYT's YouTube channel would be unproblematic. Or, I recently used The Times of Israel blog posts as attribution (I forget where), again, I feel, unproblematically. Obviously, that isn't the case here, but perhaps still worth noting. El_C 12:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you please put a page protection on the Balšić noble family article? There have been reverts there for a week with no sign of it coming to an end. Durraz0 (talk) 13:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what's my connection to this? El_C 14:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are an admin I have noticed doing interventions with page protections or sanctions in Balkan disputes (for example Kosovo recently) and thought you could be of help. I understand the fact you do not want to get involved in this, Regards. Durraz0 (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, I just prefer to choose my own requests at WP:RFPP. Thanks. El_C 15:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's your opinion on this? I find it to be an unacceptable accusation of bad faith, by somebody who ought to know better, and on top of that, one which, one must conclude willfully (in light of posts like [20] or [21]), ignore evidences to the contrary to it's central claim (that the TfD is, somehow, "forumshopping").

And well, given that I've just found out that, apparently, Wikipedia:Communication is required is not truly a requirement and me asking people to communicate is "pestering them on their talk page", I'm incredibly frustrated by this whole farce - or is this just another example of the WP:FANCLUB effect? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't want to get involved. El_C 11:00, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

:(. And now we have a pile-on... [22] RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your trenchant observation at ANI (here) immediately reminded my of my favorite Calvin & Hobbes cartoon, which you can find here. Either you already know it and it's one of your favorites, too; or you don't, and it's about to be. Enjoy! Mathglot (talk) 09:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I guess. ;) I tried to understand that comic strip, but I think you need a degree in linguistics for that (or more coffee, whatever comes last). Anyway, just the usual annoying reversal from me, but man, that ended badly. El_C 11:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I came across this, which looks like pure trolling. The user in question has been notified - can you remind me where the proper place to log a discretionary topic ban is - do I just post a note at the bottom of Wikipedia:General sanctions/Uyghur genocide? Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 12:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, GS. I've created WP:GS/UYGHUR#Log of blocks and bans, so you should be good to go. Best, El_C 12:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I think I did it right. Girth Summit _(blether) 12:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually - do I also need to log it at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions? So many forms to fill in... Girth Summit _(blether) 12:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You did gweat! El_C 12:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You do not. Sanctions logs do not require duplication anywhere on the project as far as I'm aware. El_C 12:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering about asking for page protection, as I suspect they would have been back. Slatersteven (talk) 12:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not only do I not remember what was going on back in June 2021, I didn't even remember that I was the one who indef semi'd it back then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 12:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would I be wildly incorrect to assume that you may have some familiarity with sources on Judaism? If I'm not wildly incorrect, do this site and this site seem to be reliable as far as discussion the Jewish view on birthdays? If I am wildly incorrect, I guess I'll have to take a trip to WP:RSN. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, not really, actually. Mostly it's Israeli history and society; politics and economy; culture and arts; wars and military; and so on. Not Judaism so much. El_C 14:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well crap. All of this for an edit request at Birthday :( ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How did I forget to spam ♫ You're the birthday, you're the birthday, you're the birthday, boy or girl ♫ ? Mea culpa. El_C 14:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was a good call to close the AFD for the Chris Rock incident. There is currently an RFC-type discussion taking place at the Talk page for 2022 Ukraine invasion by Russia for the section titled "Image of killed civilian". If you could find time to take a look, then maybe you could consider doing a close; it is currently running at about three-to-one in consensus opinions. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, ErnestKrause, appreciate it. Doubtful I'd wanna do that, but maybe. Regards, El_C 15:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have three or four, all mostly procedural. Since you have at least looked at some of what prompts them, it might be easier for you to answer them than for others. But if you prefer that I seek clarity elsewhere I will; this may be possible now that that case is closed. So far a couple of admins had told me that the whole thing looks like a powder keg and no thanks. Which I do understand; I have previously had somebody tell me about something else that they were "not that kind of admin", and fair enough. But apparently I do not understand certain procedures. This has not previously been a problem as I mostly do translation and remediation of machine translation, since it is something I can do that other people can't, but sometimes wiki litigation finds you anyway.

So can I ask you some dispassionate questions? I promise that there is no agenda to make you do something to someone, and I will go away immediately if you tell me to. Let's start here: is telling me that the page is a powder keg a polite way to tell me I am wrong and I should drop the stick? Thanks for any brain power you apply to my questions. Elinruby (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ask away. El_C 11:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Before I get to my procedural questions, Is your interest in music limited to particular genres?

The thing about homeland songs prompted me to do a Google search, and I have now found a beloved song from my childhood that didn’t use to be on YouTube, but now is.

It is, if I may say, a thing of beauty, and it is about snow and a fire in the fireplace. I’ll just leave it here. I hope you like it; it’s quite obscure, so the odds of you ever having encountered it before are quite small. I do have questions, but I will ask one a bit later; I am currently reaching wiki limits and need to either go to sleep or make something better, not sure which. But thank you for prompting me to find this lovely thing again: L’hiver “youtu.be/_gwFgB-ivY8” Elinruby (talk) 12:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. And I see Orchard claimed copyrights for it, so that checks out. ;) To answer your question: I'm pro-GENREPEACE (anti-WP:GENREWAR) in whatever music I listen to or play. El_C 12:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One more then that I thought I would never hear again and that YouTube suggested. This one also really showcases her voice, but is quieter. It’s about losing someone, and the words are very beautiful. Crows cawing outside in the shivery wind, as the sky turns from grey to blue. m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMy5W31kpLg&noapp=1 Elinruby (talk) 13:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like. Super-nice, Elinruby. El_C 18:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about Groot? I'm Groot!. (Thor took Groot as an elective in high school. I took German.) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's all about the inflection, don't be a treecist! El_C 11:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. I must say Japanese and Tagalog are to languages in which I have no proficiency. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm. User "a" leaps to the defense of user "b". Aspersions cast against admin. Nothing suspicious there. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a day in a [that's it, that's the end of the sentence!] El_C 15:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All day, all night, Marianne --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

reluctant to protect this set of requests. When I was clearing backlog last night I didn't know what to make of it, so I waited for someone more experienced to show me. So many issues, not the least of which is: how do I deal with a large multi-page request for protection? Outside my experience. BusterD (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Something about the revision histories of League (and Cup) pages... Such a high level of entropy! El_C 18:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and apologies for dragging you back into this topic area, but I really don't want to make another AN/I posting (and don't think this needs one per se). Would you be willing to take a look at this RfC (or rather the discussion under it)? Frankly I don't think I've ever seen an RfC go to shit so fast, and I think it could use an admin telling folks to back down (Slater and Enlightenment in particular). If this is inappropriate or you have no interest in stepping in I totally understand, just let me know. I'd figured I'd go to you since you've already done some enforcement here prior. BSMRD (talk) 17:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't bring it up at ANI again. Not to be harsh, but that was a terrible report. And pretty emblematic of why complex AE cases don't belong at ANI or AN, where the word-limitless, freeform threaded discussion format often becomes impenetrable to outside reviewers. So only WP:AE for now when it comes to this matter, please. In answer to your request: sorry, I can't really commit to looking into this in-depth right now, especially absent an AE report. Thanks. El_C 18:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am actually trying to discern what the hell is going on over there. I think whoever has been removing input is probably wrong? But I am the one that's here with the process questions. My current feeling is that having read the thing three times, I can't tell what's going on, and I am familiar with the topic. All of the options have something wrong with them. The RfC isn't neutral, although to be fair I think Slatersteven did try. However, it should have been thoroughly discussed ahead of time, whereas he has been telling people to shut up and wait for the RfC for days and maybe a couple of weeks. My suggestion: close this thing. Tell Slatersteven, BSMRD and maybe also EnlightenmentNow1792 to be quiet for a while and let other people talk. Me too if you want. Put Bobfrombrockley in charge of writing the RfC. And deleting input from other editors is very wrong, it seems to me. Elinruby (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see you responded while I was typing. My bad and I withdraw the request then. I will go examine the history then. If it has to go to AE it isn't going to be enough to just say the RfC is badly malformed, right? Elinruby (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that there's a problem with the integrity of an RfC in an WP:ACDS-covered page, then, yes, that is something you can bring up in a report at WP:AE. You, as the filer, would not need to be seeking sanctions on a person or persons when noting their involvement in whatever problem it is you're looking to correct. El_C 18:55, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ok thank you. I did that and kept it to a request for closure because people were voting on different things at different times. I have a lot going on RL and ... (/me fades off into the blue-grey on on the shivery wind with the crows) Elinruby (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably should have just told you not to do it. It's quite a subpar report, kinda the opposite of the subpar ANI one (there is a middle ground beyween TLDR and terse, believe it or not). Your summary merely stated: Not seeking sanctions at the moment but there has been a revert war on an RfC as people were voting on it. This may be due to a previous refusal to discuss but the bigger point right now is that everyone involved seems to agree.that the RfC needs to be closed and started over. What is one to even make of that? Scratching my head.

I don't understand why you think reviewers of that report should have to go piece together the evidence of your claims from the talk page and its revision history. To find diffs that are your burden (similar to WP:BURDEN) to submit. That is not how WP:VOLUNTARY works, expecting others to account for your responsibilities.

Look, I'm trying to balance being gentle with being firm, but you're not making it easy. So I'm gonna be blunt now: you are at the precipice. It's clear that you lack the required competence, and honestly, also disposition, to take lead on WP:ACDS-related editorial processes and procedures. You can't keep going like this, it is not sustainable and is ultimately self-defeating. El_C 00:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At the time I filed that, the two parties to the dispute were in agreement that the RfC should be closed and so was everyone else commenting at the time.

Not trying to argue with you, because I suspect you are not only correct, but possibly did me a favor by pulling me away from a boomerang. I do however want you to know, in case you feel slightly betrayed because we had just been talking, that I was, in my mind, reporting a consensus to take a step I saw as healthy for Wikipedia, and was in a hurry to do so before anybody else voted on the RfC not realizing that the options had changed.

Nobody was *involved*; there had been an edit war that had caused the problem, but this was not what I was there to report. The problem at that moment, to me, was an open, badly conceived but also altered RfC. I tried to specifically convey that I wasn't asking for anyone to be chided, using the tool available. I mean ... Ok, here is a neutral question. If there was an edit war but it is currently resolved, what name replaces "USERNAME"? I said Azov Battalion RFC but that felt wrong.

I agree in retrospect that it might have been better to informally request help from an admin as BSMRD did, rather than go to a high-stakes forum with unfamiliar paperwork not designed for this problem, but one did not come to mind.

Here is another neutral question: to what extent is it ok to remove talk page and RfC comments? Perhaps IATA. In my defense I do admit I am wrong when it's explained to me that I am. As was the case with the admin. But anyway. I really would like an answer to those questions, at your convenience, since I really do have overdue RL matters and probably won't be back for a couple of days anyway.

I am not asking you to do anything about any of this, and would in fact advise you not to, as the page is a bottomless pit. I am content to await whatever NPOV may have to say, offline, and contemplate whether the Russian disinformation page is worth continuing to get into trouble over. It might be. But I promise not to invoke your name if that happens.

Thank you again for songs of the homeland; it's a lovely phrase. Elinruby (talk) 00:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher), without getting into the briar patch above, I'll just respond to one question of yours (non-admin comment):

Here is another neutral question: to what extent is it ok to remove talk page and RfC comments?

This is governed by WP:TPO. In brief, the safest thing is *never* to alter someone else's comments (a few exceptions are listed at the link). You can sometimes freely alter your own comment, if it's still the last one or nobody has responded to it yet. Basically, the rule of thumb is that you don't want to cause third parties coming in later on after someone has already replied to you, to scratch their head trying to figure out what the hell they are talking about, because the part they responded to in your comment is gone now, or altered in a way that replies make no sense anymore. WP:REDACT explains how to alter your own comment after someone else has replied to it. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 01:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to pages covered by DS/GS, the expectation is for editors to exercise greater caution due to the highly charged nature of those topic area/s. It is why admins are mandated with extra-discretion in those topic areas (by ARBCOM or the community respectively), giving them extraordinary powers, including ones that bypass normal consensus building for certain sanctions (various bans and other prohibitions).

Beyond that, though, the thing to remember is that it takes time to get a feel for what are generally assumed to be best practices, because not all policy is written, and some of what is written could be subject to varying interpretation. Potential issues which the contested nature of DS/GS topics greatly accentuates (a terrible place to start in).

Finally, AE reports virtually always have users listed because something doesn't alter itself, etc. But as noted, the filer can submit a report expressly asking not to sanction the user/s involved. That doesn't mean that the reported user/s won't be sanctioned, or that (indeed) the filer wouldn't be boomerang'd, or others users, or anything else. The filer can say whatever they want within the word limits, but obviously the decision isn't bound by what they wish to happen, including scope and so on. HTH. //Class Over El_C 11:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you both. And yes, El_C, that does help Elinruby (talk) 03:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Got it. El_C 12:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! PAVLOV (talk) 13:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. It's been a while since my last concert. Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? [23] - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy BachDay! Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April songs

April corner

First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.

O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done and Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This hymn - Das eine Brot wächst auf vielen Halmen - is based on "a melody from Israel" - do you know more? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I finished the sanding of my bed rails, got the interlocked lap joints set between the rails and bed posts, and got the bolt holes and counter sinks done! Now I just need to make the headboard, make the mortises in the head posts, assemble the headboard into them, then it's just staining, polyurethane, and painting the metal hardware black! All in all, my new bed should be fully built within a month! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Songspam for you! El_C 03:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I've taken no liberties with the song title: https://www.discogs.com/release/15748591-Elise-Trouw-Studio-Live-Session El_C 03:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Headboard is constructed! Now I just have to give the glue a few days to cure up nicely. Then it's time for more sanding! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It better be manual sanding! El_C 21:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Manual sanding? What is this, Les Miserables? Is rather sleep on the floor like a god damned animal. Well, actually, I guess it's kinda manual sanding. I have to hold my random orbital sander. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Construction complete!

Mortises are cut, test fit the headboard, looks beautiful. At this point all actual construction is complete. I could assemble it and use it as a bed now. What I'm going to do is a bit of touch of sanding where things got dinged and scratched while I was test fitting and making adjustments, then stain, polyurethane, paint the metal hardware, install some fancy metalwork I made, and done! I think the only power tools I still have to use are my sander and my drill press, for Manning the screw and bolt holes in the hardware I made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:15, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pics or it didn't happen. El_C 18:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Already sent. It's the the headboard, head rail and head posts, I didn't assembled the rest of the rails and posts together for the test fit. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About to start staining. Finish sanding is done! Unrelated, but can you peek at [24] and see if they're being disruptive enough to do anything. They're mad that I'm declining their edit requests and reverting their talk page refactoring, and now they're retaliating with a revenge RM at Shit flow diagram. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of one week. I want more parabola! El_C 13:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly. I'm gloving up now to stain, so I'll be unable to give you a hard time. I may have some pictures for you in a few hours though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm listening to Parabola (song) as hard as I can while working, so hopefully it has an effect. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I saw Tool live back in the day. Great fuckin' concert. El_C 13:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen Tool three times and A perfect circle twice. All great shows. Puscifer is playing nearby in a few months, but I can't convince myself to pay what the resellers want. :( ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, so talented. Speaking of nice, resellers is a nice word. ;) El_C 14:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Posts are stained, images sent. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done staining! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks a-m-a-z-i-n-g! El_C 13:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanic feeling

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]