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A tag has been placed on User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi (R), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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A tag has been placed on User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC) on the talk page of the author.[reply]

I skimmed your drafts before getting deleted and I can say that the level of their gullibility made them severely unfit for Wikipedia. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps at the peak of his career, Grabovoi was an engineer, but he never was a scientist. If you don't believe me, name five scientific articles he published in reputable scientific journals (no MDPI, Hindawi, or stuff like that). E.g. at PubMed and alternative spelling he published nothing. Also 0 (zero, naught) results at JSTOR and EBSCO, the few results which are about him are not his own works. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi (talk helper), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Cullen328 (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Eightbillion (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I think my block was because I have "Narrow self-interest or promotion of themselves or their business" which is true in a sense that I would like to mainly contribute to Grigori Grabovoi's biography, however I do not want to promote it in any way, I also would like to create a neutral article. I do not know him personally and I do not receive money from him, I just know his teaching, found it valuable, and found that his wikipedia biography does not show important facts of his life, what I would like to add, after I discussed them with other wikipedians.

One of the important facts is that he was not criticised in the media before 2004 (41 years long from his birth), before his announcement of being the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. This fact is hardly seen in the article due to the mixed order of events. Another fact is that a Russian Ministry verified and approved one of his inventions which can be used to prevent catastrophes, such as earthquakes.

I created a helper page to show the events in chronological order to show these to other wikipedians and discuss these with them.

To the helper page I added a table which shows which events are not in order and a respect level indicator observed from the news. If this respect level indicator is the cause of my block then of course I remove that indicator and do not add it again. Eightbillion (talk) 09:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You won't be unblocked to edit about Grigori Grabovoi, and I'm skeptical as to whether you should be unblocked at all. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@331dot: Please explain your decision a little more in detail. I edited the mainspace version only twice, after previous discussions on its talk page. What I would like to have is to be able to show what I have found in the news and a discussion about them. If other wikipedians will see what I think is the full picture, and they decide to not to change the article after understanding the situation, then I will accept that. --Eightbillion (talk) 10:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is well aware of the situation. You aren't the first person to attempt what you are attempting, and won't be the last. I have nothing to add beyond what I said in my decline message. You are free to make a new unblock request for another administrator to review. Any decision will be up to them in consultation with the blocking admin, not me- but I do not think that you should be unblocked to edit about Mr. Grabovoi. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My assumption is that non of the administrators, including you, went deeply into the details of the biography, which is of course understandable, since it requires lot of source checking. I think all of you wikipedians, who were involved in my blocking, to some degree know and respect each other, so I think you defend wikipedia clarity this way, what I also understand. With this thoughts in mind I do not think it is useful to file another unblock request, at least not now.

As I see I can not even edit my user page, what I accept.

Is it allowed for me to invite some of the wikipedians who were already at the talk page of the biography and share my findings with them here, on my user talk page? Eightbillion (talk) 12:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. There are plenty of websites where people are free (or even welcome) to promote the kind of nonsense that you are here to publicise, but Wikipedia isn't one of them. If you wish to publicise the ludicrous claims of this charlatan then go to one of those sites. You still have talk page access in order that you can make an unblock request if you want to, not so that you can use it to continue the campaign which led to the block, and if you attempt to use it for that purpose then it's likely that an administrator will remove that access. JBW (talk) 15:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thank you. Eightbillion (talk) 15:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Ergo Sum:, @Ekabhishek:, @Michael Snow: Administrators,

Since normal users are not allowed to do so, please correct these information in the Grigori Grabovoi biography:

Fake news: G. P. Grabovoi visited Beslan in 2004.
Proof:

• Head of Mothers of Beslan committee declared he was not in Beslan.
  (I am the chairman of the committee "The Mothers of Beslan" and I have witnessed everything that was happening. I declare for the hundredth or thousandth time that not a single mother of a child who died in Beslan tragedy paid any money to Grigori Grabovoi, moreover neither Grigori Petrovich himself nor any of his disciples were ever in Beslan.)[1]
• Court declared he has no connection to Beslan.
  (The most important thing is that according to the materials of the criminal case none of the mothers of Beslan was listed as a victim. Moreover, Grabovoi never went to the North Caucasus at all; the intermediaries, who allegedly communicated with the women on his behalf, have not been found. So all this is slander!)[2]
• Newspapers ackowledged he has no connection to Beslan.
  (The contacts of Beslan mothers with Grigori Grabovoi were widely covered in the mass media (but later this episode was not included in the criminal case).)[3]
• Separatist part of Mothers of Beslan, named Voice of Beslan declared he was not in Beslan.
  (Grabovoi really never came to North Ossetia himself and did not take money from our women.)[4]
• According to his wife, prosecution office admitted that they invented the fake news.
  (When I was at the reception of Kutovoy V.V., prosecutor of Central Administrative District of Moscow, I talked to him about the "Beslan variant" of dirt, about how the defense proved that my husband was not there and promised nothing. And he said, "Yes, we know, we made it up with that Beslan story.")[5]

Fake news: G. P. Grabovoi promised people he would resurrect their relatives for money.
Proof:

• G. P. Grabovoi declared resurrection is free.
  (- But all the resurrection works we do are strictly free of charge - Grabovoi emphasized. - In my licenses, which I give to my students, it is written in black and white: "All resurrection works are free of charge.")[6]

Missing information about resurrection promises, money, and resurrection process:

• The prosecutor office accused him that he collected money from mothers of Beslan, and claimed that not he, but his followers arrived to Beslan in 2004, and they offered resurrection for money.
  (According to the prosecutor's office, "persons distributing the Teachings of Grabovoi G.P. arrived in Beslan, where they offered the relatives of the victims of terrorists to resurrect the dead for a monetary reward of 39,500 rubles.")[7]
• Despite the prosecutors office accusation the court declared that he has no connection to Beslan.
  (The most important thing is that according to the materials of the criminal case none of the mothers of Beslan was listed as a victim. Moreover, Grabovoi never went to the North Caucasus at all; the intermediaries, who allegedly communicated with the women on his behalf, have not been found. So all this is slander!) (The contacts of Beslan mothers with Grigori Grabovoi were widely covered in the mass media (but later this episode was not included in the criminal case).)[8][9]
• In 2004, only G. P. Grabovoi's books appeared in Beslan.
  (In September 2004, immediately after the terrorist attack in the Beslan school, Grabovoi's books appeared in this North Ossetian city.)[10]
• In 2005, G. P. Grabovoi promised Mothers of Beslan he would resurrect their children for free, invited them to Moscow and paid their plane tickets.
  (Later, Grabovoi himself confirmed that he was ready to resurrect the victims of the terrorist attack and did not require money for this.) (He even paid the "Mothers of Beslan" their visit to him, bought tickets.)[11][12][13]
• The students transferred money voluntarily to Grigori Grabovoi Fund, and only as donations.
  (The students transferred money for lectures and seminars to the "Grigori Grabovoi Fund" as voluntary donations.)[14]
• People paid only for his seminars.
  (The students transferred money for lectures and seminars to the "Grigori Grabovoi Fund" as voluntary donations.)[15]
• The resurrection initiated by him or his licensed students is free.
  (- But all the resurrection works we do are strictly free of charge - Grabovoi emphasized. - In my licenses, which I give to my students, it is written in black and white: "All resurrection works are free of charge.")[16]
• That person who wants his/her relative to be resurrected has to believe in resurrection technology taught by G. P. Grabovoi and has to do spiritual work according to it.
  (Grabovoi allegedly always emphasized that success depended on the accuracy of his instructions and the ability of the client himself.)[17]
• There is no guarrantee that the resurrection will happen as the resurrector wants it due to the free will of the resurrected man.
  (At the same time the attorneys said that the psychic emphasized that he didn't give a 100% guarantee of the result.)[18][19]

Fake news: G. P. Grabovoi's diplomas and academic membership documents are not genuine.
Proof:

• Court declared his diplomas and academic memberships are genuine.
  (The court found that G. P. Grabovoi: 'has a higher education, scientific titles and diplomas, as well as patented inventions, the legality of which was confirmed by patent expert Dagunts E.E.) (суд установил наличие у Грабового Г.П.: «высшего образования, ученых званий, степеней, а также запатентованных изобретений, легитимность которых подтвердила патентовед Дагунц Е.Е.».) (source is already in use as ref name="vestnik")[20]

Missing information about the timing of accusation:

• The accusation happened on March 20, 2006, immediately after his followers founded the DRUGG party on March 17, 2006.
  (The criminal case against Grigori Grabovoi was initiated (although two months earlier the Moscow prosecutor's office refused to initiate the same criminal case) a few days after Grabovoi announced on March 17, 2006 at the founding congress of a new political party that he wanted to run for presidency in 2008. We do not have direct evidence that the case was initiated on the personal instructions of the head of state (at that time) Vladimir Putin, but there are serious reasons to believe that it was the highest Russian authorities who were interested in isolating Grabovoi from society.)[21][22]

Missing information about the trial:

• His lawyers found the trial illegal in many points.
  (One-man group is charged, according to a non-existed law, at non-civil court.)[23][24], more information: [25][26]
• In 2016, the European Court of Human Rights found part of the trial illegal.
  (FOR THESE REASONS, THE COURT, UNANIMOUSLY, ... Holds that these applications disclose a breach of Article 5 § 3 of the Convention concerning the excessive length of pre-trial detention;)[27][28]
• On 11 April 2018, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation accepted without objection the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights, canceled the decisions of illegal, unjustified and unfair detention, and reopened the case.
  (Grigori Grabovoi, the "resurrector of dead children" got the right to rehabilitation... is now considered not guilty. In April of this year, he obtained a ruling from the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation declaring his imprisonment and continued detention unlawful.) (Ruling of the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation to reopen the case due to new circumstances)[29][30][31][32]

Thus, G. P. Grabovoi has no criminal record and has the right to rehabilitation.

Please also add the following information:
G. P. Grabovoi saved mankind from destruction at least five times

First time: He shown to mankind that clairvoyance diagnosing and predicting the events of technological objects is possible, the rapid development of technogenic and cybernetic systems, which may get out of control can be predicted and changed in time, therefore mankind can eternally live and develop.[33][34][35]

Second time: G. P. Grabovoi discovered a defect at Kozloduy Nuclear Power Plant in Bulgaria, which could have caused an accident equal to many Chernobyls. The up-to-date psychic diagnostics of the nuclear power plant performed by G. P. Grabovoi, published in the Bulgarian mass media and communicated to the personnel of the plant resulted in the fact that the Earth did not turn into a dust cloud.[36][37][38]

Third time: In 2002, more than 17 years before its occurence, G. P. Grabovoi predicted the coronavirus, with the information about what measures should be taken to protect from virus mutations and save people with the preparation of the device PRK-1U to counteract the spread of the virus. This proves the possibility of preparation for protection against virological and, in general, problems of any deleterious character for mankind. The prediction was fully confirmed. This equates to the salvation of mankind.[39][40]

Fourth time: The establishment of the political party DRUGG. G. P. Grabovoi is the author of the Program of political party DRUGG, which blocks the lowering of the level of criteria on the usage of nuclear means against Russia and, as a consequence, the absence of a backlash. Thus, global nuclear war is blocked.[41][42]

Unification of the countries of the world for neutralization of any weapons and removal of the reasons to use weapons. Unification of all countries of the world for the eternal creative and happy development of every person.

— Point 10 of the Program of the political party DRUGG

Under modern conditions, when, according to the PACE resolution of October 13, 2022, PACE unanimously recognized the current political parties of Russia as “accomplices of terrorism”, it is important not to belittle the fact that Russian legislation allowed the parties containing a creative, peaceful direction of development in the Program, such as the DRUGG party, to act. Downplaying this fact lowers the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons against Russia. Russia has an opportunity to retaliate with the use of nuclear weapons. The possibility of a global nuclear war poses a threat to a significant portion of humanity.[43]

Fifth time: G. P. Grabovoi's creation of the Teaching "On Salvation and Harmonious Development", that makes it possible to implement technologies for the salvation of all and provision of eternal life to all.[44] The effectiveness of the Teaching of Grigori Grabovoi is proven by the protocols of the results achieved by G. P. Grabovoi and the protocols of the results of G. P. Grabovoi's disciples, that were published in the collection "The Practice of Control. The Way of Salvation.",[45] scientific publications "Applied Structures of the Creating Area of Information"[46] and "Research And Analysis of Fundamental Definitions of Optical Systems In Prevention of Catastrophes And Forecast Oriented Control of Microprocesses" article in the journal "Electronic Technics",[47] G. P. Grabovoi’s patents for inventions "Method of Prevention of Catastrophes and Device for its Realization" and "Information Transmission System",[48] numerous expert reports published for the public examinations about the effectiveness of G. P. Grabovoi’s Teaching.[49]

Please add the following quotes:

The work performed by G. P. Grabovoi on extrasensory diagnostics of aviation equipment and technological processes is recorded in forty acts and protocols. Purity of experimental conditions is observed. Being permanent witnesses of the experiments we confirm the 100% accuracy of G. P. Grabovoi's extrasensory diagnostics of techniques and technological processes. The committee considers the information obtained … to be relevant to the airline's needs and recommends it to be used in the future to ensure flight safety.

— General Director of the National Airline of Uzbekistan[50][51]

According to the results of a technical examination, this man, having no information from the black box of the broken aircraft, was able to reproduce a real picture of the air accident.

— Business review, Uzbekistan Airways National Air Company[52]

When I became the commander of the Moscow District Air Force, according to the reports, there were officially 7 air disasters, and 4 more undeclared "events". ... There were too many accidents and violations. Taking into account our previous experience and the accumulated data, we managed to modify the situation in a favorable direction. After two years, the planes of the air force's Moscow district no longer crashed. It worked. ... It seems to me that Grigori Petrovich has very advanced abilities: he was able to predict a lot of things, he was also able to help with many things. He knew when to intervene, and he did.

— Nikolai Antoshkin, Air Force Colonel, Commander of the Moscow District Air Force[53]

G. P. Grabovoi used a psychic method to determine by the ventilation scheme of the mine "Vorkutinskaya" JSC "Vorkuta-Ugol" the place of fire, the location of two victims on the ventilation drift and the zone of violation with ventilation in the emergency longwall. We consider it expedient to cooperate with G. P. Grabovoi in the field of forecasting and prevention of emergency situations, finding and rescuing people at coal enterprises.

— A. T. Kuznetsov, Central Headquarters of paramilitary mine rescue units of the coal industry[54][55]

Irrational, or as I also call it, hidden vision includes both clairvoyance, and proskopy, that is, a vision of the future, and retroscopy - a vision of the past, and ordinary human intuition. There always exists a connection of any tissue with an external field, for example, a connection of a person with some events. And since this connection exists, you just need to know the laws. These laws are universal for certain levels of understanding, and when a person understands, he begins to see and predict.

— G. P. Grabovoi[56]

I confirm that during the meeting of 4 August 1995, the psychic G. P. Grabovoi, discussing the banking subject, informed me of great problems expected after 23 August and recommended taking preventive measures for interbank operations on 22 and 23 August. The forecast was confirmed by the "black Thursday" (August 24), when dozens of banks failed to meet their obligations on transactions and customer payments.

— V. Serebryakov, head of the currency market department of the National Credit Bank[57]

When diagnosing any object of information, I first of all pay attention to how it was created and according to what principle. There is no fundamental difference in diagnosing living and nonliving things. When I diagnose, I immediately see where there is a deviation from the norm. My diagnostics does not record the negative aspects, it makes the best of the object at once... The difference is that machinery is a static system, it has a smaller number of events, a limited number of connections, for example, an engine, brakes. But a human being is a self-developing system, besides he has an inviolable status from the Creator and that is why when diagnosing and treating a human being his thoughts, desires - the whole rich palette of emotions, which colors his inner world, are taken into account. In every interval of his life events I bring any diseased organ back to normal, as if I am growing it anew.

— G. P. Grabovoi[58]

The study of the processes of reality, given that future events are recognizable in present events, makes it possible to prevent disasters and manage future events. ... Information of future events is revealed through the transition regions from the future to the present. Transition areas are built on seven coordinates: three coordinates of current time space, time coordinate, two coordinates of time intervals for past and future, and object reaction coordinate.

— G. P. Grabovoi, Doctoral thesis: Research And Analysis of Fundamental Definitions of Optical Systems In Prevention of Catastrophes And Forecast Oriented Control of Microprocesses[59]

From wave synthesis theory and laws of quantum mechanics it follows that a thought transformed into radiation can have two quantum states simultaneously. ... The information transmission system works in the following way. The information transmitting operator (not specified) is a person generating a thought.

— G. P. Grabovoi, Patent: The method of transmission of information[60]

In the optical system the normalized radiation is formed. It is preferable to scan different parts of the element made, for example, in the form of a terrain map, whereby the area of disaster origin corresponds to a zone with increased characteristics of normalized radiation. So for disasters of natural character the zone of disaster origin has characteristics by 20-28 %, exceeding radiation characteristics of other element sections, and for disasters of man-caused character the corresponding increase makes 10-12 %.

— G. P. Grabovoi, Patent: Method for prevention of catastrophes and device for its realization[61]

Academician Grigori P. Grabovoi, RANS, using the general reality formula and wave synthesis theory developed by him for preventive forecasting of earthquakes and disasters, has converted the crystal forecasting module into a digital form. As factual material proving that the specified module allows realization of preventive earthquake prediction... Digital model of the device was tested on past and future earthquakes. ... Data on 1000 registered earthquakes within the period from January 07, 1901 till July 04, 1918 have been used as actual earthquakes of the past... As the earthquakes of the future in July 1999 we received confirmation of prognosis for all regions, where the program processing of electronic maps of area was carried out... In all cases the full confirmation of the prognostic phase has been obtained.

— Shakhramanyan M.A., head of the Agency for Monitoring and Forecasting Emergency Situations VNII GOChS[62][63]

The scientist carried out work with the crystalline module... at the Semipalatinsk test site together with an employee of the Institute of Seismology of the USSR Academy of Sciences (Tashkent), now Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences D. Kramarovsky. ... But how can an incorporeal, seemingly quite fragile light pulse of the device be more powerful than "all the arsenals of the world"? The calculated speed of the pulse in the device of Grigori Grabovoi is equal to such a small fraction of a second that it is written as 10 to the minus seventeenth degree. ... It turns out that the technology of consciousness is faster than an atomic explosion and allows you to overtake the reaction of nuclear fission.

— Faster than an atomic explosion, Rossiyskaya gazeta[64][65]

In my system, I introduce the concept of so-called informational transformations. It is the work of the spirit at the level of informational transformations that can solve the problem of salvation. I believe that none of the forms of information must be destructible - neither man, nor the planet, nor the Universe. If we "introduce", so to speak, the property of indestructibility into any developing form of information, it will remain viable in further development. This is its salvation and protection.

— G. P. Grabovoi[66]

Eightbillion (talk) 09:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]