The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 04:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to meet you today. I don't have a digital camera, but I was thinking that an interesting picture to post on a user's page would be a photo of the barnstars we received, with a caption like "Actual barnstar received at NYC Meetup". Enigma ^msg! 00:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was good to meet you too - I like your idea. Those barnstars MS handed out were cool. Mine's above my door.--David Shankbone 12:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took pictures of a barnstar, and also of David holding his up just after receiving it. Will post soon. — Becksguy (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think I'll stick a nail in the wall near my computer and hang it there. Enigma ^msg! 16:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I hope it's not too ghastly, Becksguy. I'm pretty sheet white in the winter; well, in the summer, too. --David Shankbone 16:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Casper? Is that you? :P AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was good to see you too, David. I was really impressed with all the work you did. What I liked about the meeting was that at least four different people got up and spoke to the group, as opposed to just one or two, so there was a greater sense of participation than I've seen so far. I was glad to get up and move the camera around a few times so that the video will show this. And speaking of Barnstars, I took a pic of MS holding up one (in case you already didn't). As for the video upload, I forgot which website Pharos referred me to when we uploaded the video from the last Meetup, so I left a message on his Talk Page asking him to remind me of it. He hasn't yet responded, so stay tuned. I'm also having trouble uploading pics to the Commons, since there's no Upload button on the left, but you cou8ld probably help me out there. Thanks for dropping a line! Nightscream (talk) 03:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pharos pointed out to me where the Upload link was in the Commons. I have yet to uplod the Meetup pics at this point, but I uploaded 28 pics I took at the Richard Dawkins book signing on March 14th. I'll get to the Meetup pics soon, but yours will no doubt blow mine out of the water. As for the video, I'm uploading them to SendThisFile.com, and from there, Pharos will post them to the Internet Archive at www.archive.org. Thanks again! Nightscream (talk) 06:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just uploaded the pics to the Commons, and posted 20 of 'em on the 3.16.08 Meetup Page. Btw (shameless plug), I just posted my latest figure drawings on my MySpace page. I'd have to add you as a Friend, but if you're interested, I post them from the sessions I go to every Wednesday night, as well as other artwork too. The ones I just posted are the sixth this year. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 06:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to meet you as well. It was an interesting gathering dm (talk) 18:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Could I ask for your perusal of this image, kinda scoping it out for any possible issues that may crop up? we are considering uploading it as the placeholder image for the article, and I'd prefer to completely avoid the John Lennon situation (numerous images uploaded and pulled without proper licensing, etc.). Let me know what you think, and btw - Happy Spring/Birthday/St. Pat's/Maundy Thursday! - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Arcayne - I didn't see any problems with the licensing and I agree that it is better as the lead image than the current. --David Shankbone 02:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input, David. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, Former First Lady Nancy Reagan has been abducted by the Easter Bunny's evil cousins, Frank and Billy Ray. But don't let that stop you from having a great Easter! Cheers. The one and only ----> AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I like the 'scenery' in this picture. It makes me want to visit Tel Aviv even more. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Easter 2008. We will not see Easter this early again in our lifetimes, most likely, unless we will live for another 152 years. From the article on Easter: The calculations for the date of Easter are somewhat complicated. In the Western Church, Easter has not fallen on the earliest of the 35 possible dates, March 22, since 1818, and will not do so again until 2285. It did, however, fall on March 23 in 2008, but will not do so again until 2160. Peace brother. — Becksguy (talk) 01:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great Work Sudar 4edi (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)sudar 4edi[reply]

That's great. The first thing that occurs to me is to ask if he has a photo of himself from the 1970s that he'd be willing to release into the public domain or under a free content license. As for specific questions, I'd really like to know what--if anything--he sees as the musical antecedents to what he was doing. There's this interview where he says that The Kingsmen were his favorite band in junior high, but not much beyond that.

Hope it comes together--and really look forward to reading it. All the best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've indefinitely protected everything in userspace per [1]. If you wish me to change it, update it, remove it, etc., contact me at my talkpage. Maxim_(talk) 23:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For this rvv on my userpage. It's always appreciated when it comes from someone you've met. Daniel Case (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about their dress makes you think that they're chassidish? -- Zsero (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who else in Judaism dresses exactly the way the women's manner of dress is described on that article? --David Shankbone 15:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not chassidim. The one on the left, with the snood and the long denim-y skirt, looks more Chardal than anything else. The one in the middle with the fall might be Litvish of some kind, or just an American BT. The one on the right I can't identify her style, but it's not very chassidish. Sorry, these women are probably not chassidim, so while it's a good picture it doesn't belong on this article. Is there an article on Orthodox women's hair coverings? Perhaps it could go there, illustrating three different styles of hair covering. -- Zsero (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you raise good arguments - I hadn't realized there was so much nuance. --David Shankbone 16:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added it to Tzniut#Hair covering, where I think it fits excellently; thanks for taking it. -- Zsero (talk) 00:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Just to let you know, I've removed the link you added to the entry on Wikipedia. We can discuss it in the talk page if you're unhappy with this. Nonplus (talk) 01:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, that's fine - it's kind of old. --David Shankbone 01:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given your apparent productivity, I suspect someone is using your account to vandalize pages - a recent edit to the corn snake page retitling one of the photos with stuff about a dead mouse fetus being what aroused my suspicion. You might want to change your password to ensure this can't happen again. Mokele (talk) 03:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is correct - why do you think this is vandalism? It's a higher quality photo with no cloudy plastic in the way. I am the one who named it a mouse fetus, which I believe is what it is. If it's mistitled, I can rename it. --David Shankbone 03:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the resolution is better, the title in inflamatory ('devouring a mouse fetus') and unencyclopdic, and also inaccurate (a pinkie is a newborn mouse, not a fetus). Additionally, the snake is in poor condition, as indicated by the retained shed. If a replacement photograph is needed, I can take one from the corn snakes I have at lab next time feeding rolls around. Mokele (talk) 04:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly didn't know - it came in a package my sister warmed up and it looked like a fetus. No worries - although I think you should take another shot for the article; I think the one there now is a little low-res, with poor coloration. Sorry for the aggressive edit summary; I read it differently than you meant it. --David Shankbone 04:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't accuse me of something I didn't do!! The picture was part of the "original" article before someone deleted it. Maybe it was you?. Please don't call me a liar, when you want to dominate the article. Dwilso 13:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smile - happy editing! --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 02:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It is very useful to see pictures of small towns in terms of literary hermeneutics and the philosophy of geography - one of my research interests. I don't have a Myspace any more. Do you have an e-mail address? (You could type it in and I'd delete it to avoid spamming). I hope you get a chance to take pictures of more small towns.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words. You know, I often hear complaints from admin-types that excessive socializing and clowning in Userspace is likely to bring the project into disrepute (see here for a recent example). So if there's ever a crackdown on such nonsense, I'm sure my pages will be among the first to be eviscerated. Until that day comes, I remain pleased to play host to the party. P.S. I'm glad to see you back.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 08:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So true. The ones that say WP has too much socializing crack me up. We're not robots and if WP didn't have any kind of socializing fun, people like me would be on here alot less. My user and talk pages are ones that will be eviscerated as well. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 18:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I saw you swapped images in the Falcon Stadium article. I don't think we needed to remove the other image from the article so I added it back in the text. Thanks for getting that good image of the Stadium. MECU≈talk 15:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - I though to put the aerial in the body, but I ashamedly admit I didn't do so out of laziness. Thanks for pointing it out to me. --David Shankbone 15:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, David! I hope you've been doing well. I was wondering if you were still attending Tribeca Film Festival. The reason I ask is because I recently revised From Within to mention that it will be released at that particular festival. I'm not sure what information you would need (it can be found at the article), but I was wondering if you could have it as one of your tasks to get shots of people involved with From Within at the festvail? Let me know if this is possible or not; I was aware that you messaged WP:FILM inviting any interested editors to be involved. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah - I'll put it on my radar. I haven't received my schedule of the films yet, but if it's the premiere and they are doing a red carpet thing, I'll make it a priority. --David Shankbone 14:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Just to let you know: There has been some nasty vandalism to your user pages in German wikipedia. We have put them on semiprotection now. Greetings, Stefan64 (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Danke, Stefan. --David Shankbone 13:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:The Placebo Effect has suggested that we could do some audio interviews that would be adapted into an episode of the WikipediaWeekly. I thought maybe you would be interested. If this is a possibility, you must register by 8 PM Thursday, and then please get back to me. User:Messedrocker is a WikipediaWeekly regular, and might be able to help too. By the way, there should be quite a media presence there already (Wall Street Journal, WNYC, maybe The New Yorker, Columbia University student TV news, maybe a notable blogger).--Pharos (talk) 07:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Pharos- I wish I could go, but the timing is not very good. I am actually leaving work tomorrow at noon but it's to interview punk pioneer Richard Hell. --David Shankbone 13:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The uploading party is at 11:30 PM; that's really the main event.--Pharos (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I think I will go to that. --David Shankbone 15:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Register here before 8 PM tonight then. It's for security, so use your legal name.--Pharos (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the team name? --David Shankbone 16:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That only matters if you're participating in the contest. You can just put "Wikipedian coming to party (not competing)" or something.--Pharos (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I used "None", since I had no idea what to enter, and I really think the contest should be more for the students, although I'm glad to help otherwise. Free culture sound like a great idea. — Becksguy (talk) 23:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest that you write an article on Wikinews covering the third graders who tried to kill their teacher.--Peace out (talk) 18:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's crazy! Thanks for the lead... --David Shankbone 18:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I semi-protected your page. Best wishes, Moez ^talk 21:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merci beaucoup. --David Shankbone 21:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question. I e-mailed someone from flickr and asked him if I could use this picture for an article Aleta and I are working on. He e-mailed me back through flickr mail and said yes. How do I go about showing that he's given permission to use it? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're talking about you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding that pic. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I might put them in contact with the Foundation or Jay Walsh since he heads our PR dept and would know where we could link-up with there IMO. MBisanz ^talk 20:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is something I thought about a lot as I was writing my book on how to edit Wikipedia. I think there is a real opportunity for content owners - PR firms, corporate historians, university presses, etc. - to contribute to Wikipedia, but that more guidance and defined processes are needed than are spelled out in our conflict of interest guideline. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David,

For Dunder Mifflin, the fictional company in The Office, which I'm working on to help save it from deletion at the moment (it will probably be kept), I was wondering if you could identify the building depicted as corporate headquarters in Manhattan.

• What is it?

• Do we have an article on it, and

• Do we have a free image?

Thanks. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been racking my brain about it - It's not the Seagram Building or the Olympic Tower - I'm going to keep an eye out for it. I bet it's on Sixth Avenue (Manhattan) somewhere. --David Shankbone 18:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David, just a note to let you know that I have changed the image at Abi Fry as I found one on Flickr that I think has a better angle than yours. Incidentally, are you a Bat for Lashes fan or is it a photo you just happened to take? :) -- Naerii 05:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Naerii - I could see where you think that photo is better. Mine was nothing special. It's difficult to photograph in the low light of a concert space. I'm a fan of Bat for Lashes, but I did not know their music before I approached their management for an interview. --David Shankbone 14:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello David Shankbone,
read your post to Henrik; see also MediaZilla:13645 for this issue. --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 22:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not surprised about the professional photographer. Too bad—as you suggest, for the cost of one low-res image, she could have gotten some direct, long-lasting publicity and a nice slew of Google hits.

It's funny, of your three photos—all of which are good—I definitely prefer the one on the left.

So when do we get to read this interview?! Really looking forward to it. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 01:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My favorite is the one on the right - my favorite is almost never the subject's favorite. Hopefully in a week I will publish it - we don't go into the early days of punk much at all. Because I know the links are prominent, I try to focus on philosophy - a more generalized sense of a person. He also very much sees himself as a writer, so we talked a good bit about that. I have to publish Eric Bogosian's interview first. That thing is way, way past due. --David Shankbone 03:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for removing the image completely, I meant to retain it elsewhere in the article from the outset (which I have now reverted and fixed). I believe that the image I added, regardless of its resolution, is more suitable for the infobox because it is a straight-on headshot from the shoulders up (i.e. better proportions for its position, better angle), whereas your image was more suited for the main body of the article because of its size and her face is angled away from the camera. Just one other question, what event was this from? It would be useful to add that to the caption. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 14:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• For your reference. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 14:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Uh, you may wish to re-read your message to Durova (did we really need a fourth opinion?). Seems like you're on my side now :) Btw are there any guidelines/policies on the placement of images? I tried looking for something without much success... PageantUpdater talk • contribs 14:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I blocked PageantUpdate for edit warring. He didn't actually violate 3RR I don't believe, but edit warring was still apparent. Also, please could you refrain from making constant reversions too. I know you're a respected contributor and everything but even the best of us can get dragged into it. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Pat. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 15:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Apologies. --David Shankbone 15:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to the "unintentionally confusing" comment. Here's what was wrong: Basically -- a 3RR violation (strictly speaking) is 4 reverts within 24 hours. To demonstrate 4 reverts, what you should show is four diffs (which you did) and also an older version of the article to demonstrate that the first of the diffs was actually a revert. So in all you'd be showing 5 different revisions of the article that are all the same -- the first could be old (not within the 24h period). In this case, there only exist 4 revisions that were the same, which is why this was not strictly a 3RR violation -- only 3 of the edits were actually reverts; the first was simply an edit. I didn't intend to accuse you of being intentionally confusing -- 3RR reports are tricky enough as it is, and this kind of mistake gets made a lot. Mangojuice^talk 15:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the withdraw; I've now unblocked. Anyway, I've posted at WP:3O about the image dispute; let's just have all future discussion at Talk:Susie Castillo. Mangojuice^talk 15:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey David, I just started a blog, and I've reviewed the interview you did for the Brooklyn Rail -- a fascinating read, thanks for sharing it! Check it out, and while you're at it take a look at the rest of the blog...only 5 or 6 posts so far...I'd love to know what you think! -Pete (talk) 17:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pete, your blog looks really good - the Wayne Morse video was inspiring. --David Shankbone 14:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello David. I have decided to return in a somewhat more limited capacity. I just thought of you when I was perusing some old work of ours from the Central Park West Historic District. Anyway, I thought you might like to know. :) IvoShandor (talk) 07:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is some of the best news! Welcome back! --David Shankbone 14:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am having my username changed in less than a week, so I guess will not have "Religion has historically been a hindrance to freedom of thought and knowledge, and this User is destined to make their life and collaborative effort on Wiki projects more difficult, as both his name and his box rub people the wrong way. Fair warning - the same warning I would give to User:JesusSucks. Welcome to Wikipedia. --David Shankbone" Really? That's not very civil to me. Happy Editing and Cheers! AmericaNeedsJesus 04:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he's giving you advice and you should be glad he and I voted keep for your userbox. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But thanks anyway for your vote. Cheers! AmericaNeedsJesus 05:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your misunderstanding the concept of "civility" and you are misunderstanding what I wrote. Wikipedia is not an easy thing to edit, especially since many people erroneously feel it is in a state of near-completion and only needs "maintenance". Changes to text can be more difficult than you might imagine. Anything that hurts your arguments, I tried to warn you, will hurt your ability to successfully edit here. "America Needs Jesus" as a User name does several things: it instantly colors ever argument you make; people automatically assume a litany of things about you. Some, that may be positive; others, it is negative. The idea of WP:AGF is focus on the edits not the editor, but your User name makes that a challenge for many people. Additionally, some people could take that as an advocacy position (which it clearly is), and it may just be spiritual advocacy to you, but to others it could be advocating erosion of the separation of church and state (America is not an individual, but a political entity). That's inappropriate for User names. People find advocacy disruptive, possibly violative of policy such as WP:NPOV, and even if you think there is nothing wrong with it, people are rightly asked to change. The same request would be made of User:AmericaNeedsAbortion, User:AmericaNeedsTheDeathPenalty, User:AmericaNeedsGuns, User:AmericaNeedsGunControl, et. al. --David Shankbone 12:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I gotchya, I'm having it userped within a week, so don't worry. But I get what you mean, with the username being in user's minds instead of editing. Thanks for the vote, and the advise, AmericaNeedsJesus 16:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC) (soon to be changed)[reply]

No, thank you. You're exactly the kind of Wikipedian that provided the example I'm shooting for, and I truly mean that. As a side note, your interview in The Brooklyn Rail was a wonderful read. Thanks for your support, VanTucky 04:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Being the curious bastard that I am, I read your latest MySpace blog post. That's way scary. If you're thinking of going in to hiding, I'm your man. In all seriousness, I couldn't possibly begin to know what that is like. Thanks for being brave and sticking to your guns. VanTucky 04:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop attempting to put a poor quality photo where one can barely see the building because it is wrapped in fog. This is like an all black postcard entitled "Empire State Building at Night". It might be useful on the fog article, but not on the ESB. You are welcome to ask for consensus to have it included on the Talk page, though. Thanks. --David Shankbone 17:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, i'll get a better pic [quoted from above]--Enriquecornejo (talk) 17:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Enriquecornejo--Enriquecornejo (talk) 17:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note - I really think you should put it on the fog article - it's actually one of the best photos we have since the mist masks one of the most recognizable buildings in the world...just isn't particularly good for the ESB article for the same reason. But please, keep taking photos - try to get them over 1MB if you can. Cheers. Dave --David Shankbone 01:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So what ended up happening with Floyd? Is he banned from editing the Barrow page now? I kept wondering what happened to the Barrow High School football team portions of the Barrow page. Thanks for sticking up for the Barrow High School football team section! --Reezy (talk) 00:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Reezy - you were correct, so I had no trouble supporting you. Floyd is a positive and valuable member of the project, but he shows how problematic it is to invest yourself too much in an article. I had that problem when I tried to bring Tompkins Square Park Police Riot to GA - I didn't have the temperament to watch it change, and had to remove it from my watch list. If I was Floyd I would feel proud that I was the person making sure my home town had a good and accurate article (I recently did a lot of work on East Village, Manhattan). But Floyd has ownership issues. I tend to be too heavy-handed in argumentation against owners, but I respect people who show the care and passion about their neck of the project. Unfortunately, it's time-consuming and a hassle for other editors to deal with (like you). Now, if I start to argue over a principle instead of over the issue, I know I need to step back. Talk:Peachoid is the best example, where I argued based on principle, and upset a valued editor (User:Geogre) over something I really didn't care about. Principle is fine for important articles and policy discussions; but in the end...a person has to ask if it's worth the drama and stress to argue and force your hand, no matter how right you are? In my experience, the answer is no. It also leads to burn-out. --David Shankbone 02:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When snapping pics for various Wikimedia projects at some future event, if Heather Mills is there, see if you can get one of her. The current one on her page is a flowery one from an old PETA advert and isn't really liked by anyone who has worked on the page, be they npov, pro-Mills, or a hater.

Cheers. y'am'can (wtf?) 12:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I protected both your talk and user page on it.wiki for the continous attacks by the silly vandal you know, regards--Vituzzu (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

 Marlith (Talk)  00:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David, about a week ago I said I was leaving Wikipedia (although I've since changed my mind), but one thing I realized is that if I left for good I could never tell you what a great job I thought you did on the Reality film article. And your photo of Mary Woronov is great. I'm sorry for being so obstinate at Talk:Reality film. My views on alot of things have changed since then. And I appreciate much of what you said in this ANI thread about users leaving Wikipedia. I know you've dealt with absolutely ludicrous amounts of threats and harassment, and I'm thankful you're still with the project. Your interviews, Wikinews articles — and especially your photography contributions — are utterly invaluable. Your contributions are irreplaceable, and I wanted to tell you that you can count me among the scores of editors and readers who appreciate your work. Regards, --Pixelface (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In that list of people I saw your name, and recognized it, but completely forgot from where. Pixelface, there is no need to apologize at all, though I appreciate the sentiment. I recently wrote both THF and Cool Hand Luke e-mails apologizing for my own behavior from the ArbCom. Although I still believe very much in the substance of my arguments, my doggedness in pursuing THF was not optimal, and I was rude to Cool Hand Luke when he had maintained his composure. The Reality film article was never about THF, though, but something that needed to be fleshed out; however, I completely see why you could have thought it was birthed from the acrimony that arose from that ArbCom. Thanks for the apology. I also hope you do not leave...I really think we *all* need to pay more attention to supporting each in our community, and I virulently disagree with the "We are all replaceable" ethos that too many editors have. I have a lot of respect for your film article work. --David Shankbone 15:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for these great images! JeanColumbia (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you humiliate me like that. Accuse me of putting my own body parts on this shit of a website. I demand an apology or i will be taking this matter up with my laywers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanborgz (talk • contribs)

^ Blocked indefinitely until such time that it is retracted. seicer | talk | contribs 14:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for another great image! Dismas|^(talk) 04:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dismas. This one was a particular pleasure for me - unlike many events, the Savage Garden premiere only had two people to photograph for Wikipedia articles, the director and Moore (Matthew Modine unexpectedly showed up). I have been lucky this year, because I have been put on the "A List" of photographers for the festival, meaning I and only about six, seven other photographers get a private room away from the paparazzi to photograph Madonna, Moore, Mariah Carey, etc. I still have a lot of uploading to do - I'm just very, very tired. The Festival still has another week! --David Shankbone 04:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Took a photographic tour today in the Driftless Area, Jo Daviess County, Illinois. Fun times, thought of you and your skills for some inspiration, though I can't seem to muster the talent, I do alright. :) Twas fun. Just dropping by, have a good night man. IvoShandor (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Ivo - let me know when you upload the photos - I want to see! Glad you are back :-) --David Shankbone 16:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded a few last night, but only a handful. See them on Commons, I stuck some in articles too, just check my contribs. IvoShandor (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never given you a barnstar. Deserve it you do.

The Queen of the Big Apple Award For all of your hard work on Wikipedia, Commons, and Wikinews, APK bestows upon you this coveted award. NYC is lucky to have such a talented queen! :-) Enjoy! APK yada yada 05:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks APK - I wouldn't stick around without people like you on here who makes a taxing hobby fun. --David Shankbone 16:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

YW. ;-) APK ^{yada yada} 16:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting ready to upload my Mariah Carey photos - talking with the other photogs on the A List who have worked with her, I'm a little nervous about them. Fingers crossed - I'm going to put up my favorite, and then let the page decide which to use. I usually have around 5-15 photos of each person, but time limits how much I can upload, so I choose what I think is the best one (or two - in the case of people like Madonna or Mariah, three or four). Feel free to choose when I put them up. --David Shankbone 16:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the Madonna photo last night. I loves it. Lemme go check out Mimoo. APK ^{yada yada} 16:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still photoshopping and cropping. --David Shankbone 16:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Me likey. She looks normal and pretty in that picture, as opposed to photoshoots where she seems too made up and airbrushed. APK ^{yada yada} 01:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the one one the page is the best, or do any of these look better - it can be hard to tell for the photographer. --David Shankbone 02:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The one you used in the article. Her lambs would approve! APK ^{yada yada} 02:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this, I agree. I noticed that earlier, was about to block, thought, "hang on, it's an IP, we can't block those indefinitely", got distracted by something else, and then assumed someone else would have dealt with it. But I see the vandalism stopped. Maybe that proves my theory that if you just revert, then people get bored and stop. Or it was the warnings. No, that's silly, no vandal like that ever took a blind bit of notice of the warnings. Carcharoth (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I just don't understand the theory behind a warning in cases such as this: Is it "This person may have messed up, or lost their cool, but they may be able to reform themselves if something is said, so let's give them another chance or two?" I mean, this person doesn't appear to have come here with any intention of helping to build an encyclopedia - I don't think three people warning this person to "improve" was the way to go. --David Shankbone 17:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the theory is that when people experiment, they like to try rude words. But yes, I agree, some things are too much. I would have blocked when I came back, but it is possible the IP has been reassigned. I don't know enough about how dynamic IPs work. Carcharoth (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...for this. Cheers. Prashanthns (talk) 19:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I don't know how to add the reference thing to the page. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Lemonhead414 (talk) 19:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You disregarded my request to view my research on Talk:Michael Moore, where I list three reliable sources stating Michael Moore was born in Flint, and sided with a SPA set up to edit war on Michael Moore. The link you cited is a NY Times "Movie" page that is just a mirror of All Movie Guide. My sources are the actual NY Times newspaper, another newspaper, and an encyclopedia. All have fact-checking and editorial processes exceeding that of All Movie Guide, an unvetted web site. --Laser brain (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone bothered to e-mail Michael Moore to ask him to resolve this? There appears to be conflicting sources. --David Shankbone 19:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried; he is very difficult to contact. E-mails are returned with "mailbox full" messages. My opinion is that the more reliable sources list him as being born in Flint. In fact, I did my research using Academic Search Premiere and no sources there say he was born in Davison. Academic search engines do not index Encarta or All Movie Guide because they are not considered serious research resources like NY Times and Britannica are. Additionally, you will find that Lemonhead is ignoring the consensus on the article Talk page that Moore was born in Flint. If you browse the history of the page, you will see him (SPA) putting "Davison" in there and 4 or more editors reverting him. --Laser brain (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brittanica is an encyclopedia, and is not considered a serious research source, either. It's not a primary source. If you do a search for Davison and michaelmoore.com, you find the Flint Journal saying he was born in Davison - shouldn't *that* be a definitive source?

• Tribute to '60s radical is pure poetry "One provocateur from Davison paid tribute to another Tuesday night as Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore attended the U.S. premiere of "Twenty to Life: The Life and Times of John Sinclair" at the Flint Institute of Arts." (via Moore's website)
• Rolling Stone personal interivew "At the moment, Moore is behind the wheel of his red Chrysler minivan, giving me a tour of Davison, the little town just outside Flint where he spent his childhood." (via Moore's website)
• Associated Press "Davison, Michigan native and "Sicko" director Michael Moore jokes that Fidel Castro would be a "ratings grabber" at Sunday night's Academy Awards show." via Mlive.com - "Everything Michigan"

--David Shankbone 20:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He definitely grew up in Davison. The question is whether the hospital he was born in is actually located in Davison or Flint. City boundaries were redrawn since then, I believe. Enigma ^message 20:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) Ah, you are getting to the (fine) point. I trust by now you have read Talk:Michael_Moore#Research where I describe how many sources say things like Moore "grew up" and "went to school" in Davison but stop short of saying he was born there. The sources I cite in the infobox (until I get reverted again) explicitly state that he was born in Flint. However, I can now see there are conflicting sources and I'm not going to win this debate. I'll settle for stating in the article that different sources say different things. --Laser brain (talk) 20:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh goodness - I'm staying out of this. This is the kind of time-swallowing minutia that drives me batty on Wikipedia. I've got too much going on with the Film Festival and interviews. Good luck figuring this Gordian knot out. --David Shankbone 20:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually done with it as well and de-watchlisting Moore. I have better things to do. Oh, nice to meet you, Mr. Shankbone. --Laser brain (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I may just jump in for one second. Michael Moore in this interview says he was born in Flint: "The only reason this film is about GM is accident of birth. I happened to be born in Flint and my dad worked [at GM] for 33 years." [2] I'm gone. smb (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same - good luck and happy editing. I've gotten into the habit of unwatching things myself, or I was going to explode from some of the minutia-fueled spats. --David Shankbone 20:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you recovered from the, ahem, other Michael Moore ordeal yet? I particularly love this edit to Sicko that no one has seen fit to revert. [3] We've now got YouTube videos and everything. But I'm done with that page as well. smb (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and if you see Leona Lewis on your travels (my favourite), please snap away. :) smb (talk) 20:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Smb - isn't your typeface a sight for sore eyes! lol - I have had Sicko off my watch list for a long, long time. That edit is really funny. I interviewed Ingrid, and she's holding my dog on her article - she's very media savvy. I guess one has to be when they are fighting for people to think about the feelings of chickens. I will keep an eye out for Lewis. I'm really exhausted from the TFF, and the stars can be quite demanding (that's putting it lightly). --David Shankbone 20:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the great picture! Sancho 20:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Thanks for the work you put into the article. --David Shankbone 20:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David, although I regret the recent developments re: NYB as much as does anyone, I have to say that your suggestion re Mr Brandt is most unhelpful. We don't do this out of any sense of 'vengeance' or 'punishment'. Whether an article remains on the database should be solely an issue of that article's merits; you should realize by now that any action which can, by petty small-minded critics, be perceived as spiteful and hateful, most definitely will be.

I strongly suggest that you amend your statement of support for NYB so as to remove the non-NYB-pertinent parts. DS (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Already done before you posted this. --David Shankbone 15:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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and I hope you're good - I've just gotten through listening to the very interesting conversation you were part of over at WP:NTWW - and it was partly that audio which inspired me to pop back over to the biographical opt out proposal pages to take another look.... I thought I'd swing by here partly to say that I thought your comments were interesting, and I hope you'll record other material at some point - and also to make sure we don't talk at crossed purposes about the proposal pages - I thought you should know that I'm just trying to promote a useful discussion at those pages, and certainly don't want to disrupt at all - if you think the archive should be undone, I certainly wouldn't revert you - I just think that the first stage of discussion had sort of run its course... you'll also see from the talk page that I've replied a bit about a possible confusion over tag swapping etc.

I'm sure we can kick on to continue useful discussion, and I hope we haven't set off on the wrong foot - it's nice to 'wiki' meet you, and I look forward to chatting further at various pages around the place.... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 00:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sorry you took my conversation on the BLP issue at WP:NTWW and were inspired to do what you did over at OptOut. You want to wait a few months and re-propose OptOut, go for it. But a week later doing what you did makes it hard to AGF. And after this week, I am even more resolutely against OptOut than I was before. And from some of my e-mails, I know a lot of other people feel the same, including some who were on the fence about it. --David Shankbone 02:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it was the conversation in the whole which inspired me to head back that way - and certainly I take complete responsibility for my editing, it wasn't your voice in my head telling me to do it! - Your last comment troubles me a bit, because it sort of implies battle lines are being drawn - you know, a continued sort of 'us' and 'them' mentality - which has been used to justify all sorts of activity all over the real world and wiki world for long enough for me to be rather nervous around it... you're totally entitled to your opinions and ideas of course, but I'm very wary of it starting to sound like our articles are in any way weapons or tools to use as part of any fight.. I'm sure you get what I mean.....

anywhoo... I'll happily chat about opt out at the policy page, and I really do think it's a good idea - and I'm sure if we do disagree, we can do so in a friendly enough fashion.... cheers david... Privatemusings (talk) 06:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to do with a battle, and everything to do with that it's a bad proposal. Pure and simple. --David Shankbone 06:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well no worries - it was just the 'after this week' bit which raised my eyebrow (but only a tad...) - your objection to the idea on the basis that it's just rubbish is totally valid! - I just happen to disagree! - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 06:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, im a surinamese guy studying in Cuba, in sandino in the province of Pinar del Río and as I was browsing through the pinar files I noticed the pictures you had put up from cayo levisa and vinales. I was just wondering what you thought about Cuba in general? I have just started modifying the cuba pages, have tons of pictures —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faridje (talk • contribs) 14:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Cuba has been one of my favorite places I have visited - the people were friendly, and Pinar del Rio was stunning. My friend and I stayed in the casa particulars to limit the money that went to the government, so we really had a chance to talk with the people and found them some of the friendliest I have come across. I do hope you will upload some of your photos and replace mine - my photos from 2002 were taken with a camera that was of lower quality than that found on most camera phones today. --David Shankbone 14:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

A couple of points. Various people, who were involved with the person whose name I redacted openly, had recognised that it was best not to mention him as it gives him attention. Have a word with Alison, I was acting in good faith.

Secondly, I had some private discussions with Brad, so I am fairly clear on his reasons. We were on good terms and had an understanding. As I hope I made clear, there was someone who did something absolutely inappropriate. The reason I described these things in veiled tones was that he had asked specifically that he not be discussed.

I am neither black and white on issues, nor am I settled in my thinking. I think there is genuine debate to be had. You seem very settled in your mind, but very defensive. As you get older, you may come to see that pessimism is your friend, you will not be disappointed - an optimist is always let down as things are unlikely to turn out as they hope. I am a happy pessimist. It works well.

Take care Dogbiscuit (talk) 23:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do me faver, I have created two articles "Advantec Network (Pvt) Ltd" and "Nipuna Sheshan" both articles not there now i don't know what happen. Can you find out that for me.... Thanks...Nshesh 09:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right, sorry, I have never edited the article before. I should've asked asked the owners first rather than being bold. Equazcion •✗/C • 01:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, try reading the article. Are you gay? Do you know about gay pornography? Clearly not, since you say it doesn't illustrate the concept. It *perfectly* illustrates the concept. So now you are going to carry out the agenda of the Concerned Women for America? --David Shankbone 01:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try not berating people for boldly editing articles. Not having edited the article ever before is no reason to refrain from performing an edit, and reverting someone on that basis is nothing short of ownership. Equazcion •✗/C • 01:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, making one edit is bold. Making that edit with an edit summary that makes no sense and is not even correct, right after posting about the CWA's problem, is censorship. Doing it twice is pretty clear what it is. --David Shankbone 01:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it makes it a mistake. Again, assume good faith. Just because we happened to be in a discussion about censorship at the time doesn't "clearly" make my edit of an article censorship. That's all in your head. Again, assume good faith. Equazcion •✗/C • 01:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, you didn't read the article. I'll accept that you admit it was a mistake to remove the photo - but AGF was a little difficult when you aren't reading and saying the image doesn't illustrate the text. We're supposed to, you know, be better than that and not go off half-cocked. --David Shankbone 01:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we're also supposed to, you know, assume good faith. I suppose we both made a mistake then, didn't we? Though I'm at least admitting it. Equazcion •✗/C • 01:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think some wikilove is needed. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 01:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I find the heart image in wikilove offensive. It should be removed. Equazcion •✗/C • 01:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I apologize for going off half-cocked also. Sorry Equazcion. --David Shankbone 02:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just dropping by to say hey, I hope your spring is shaping up nicely. How was your trip to Israel btw, I never asked. I'm hoping we can collaborate on a few more NYC buildings sometime soon, with your photos and my articles, we're unbeatable! Anyway, just thought I'd let you know I am still around after my return. Clearing my watchlist really helped, the whole damn wiki-world could be calling me all sorts of things and I would never even know it now :) Pretty sweet. IvoShandor (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No - you were a big loss and everyone felt that way. But clearly a watch list is a good thing. It's good to have you back. I'm very happy that Spring is here and the weather is turning nice again. If you have particularly buildings, let me know. Otherwise, I'm working on some non-Wiki projects. I recently sent out messages on Facebook and MySpace, and via e-mail, that I was no longer doing any large-scale Wiki projects. These were mistaken as retirement notices, but in reality it's just that I have shifted my creative focus to other areas. The last round of Film photos were my swan song, to so to speak. I still have a lot of material to upload, some interviews to publish, and an article to write (Arthur Kramer (attorney)). Glad you are here! --David Shankbone 14:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Please see here for a comment I made at a Signpost talk page where I listed the images you recently uploaded about the making of a porn movie. It relates to this story, which has been mentioned at the Signpost talk page. Carcharoth (talk) 03:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WR says: "You can defend Wikipedia all you like, Shankbone, and you know what? It doesn't give a f&^%. It will never say thanks."

Wikipedia says: "Thanks, David Shankbone." WAS 4.250 (talk) 17:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that. You've contributed some awesome photographic content - thank you so much for what you do - Alison ^❤ 21:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. APK ^{yada yada} 21:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed! Aleta ^Sing 22:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias --Ecelan (talk) 08:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Undent) Thank you indeed - obviously you're aware that you take gorgeous images, but let me just repeat that one more time: your photography is wonderful and varied, and always of the highest quality. To claim anything else would be ridiculous. I know I absolutely appreciate it, and I hope the rest of the community does too. ♠PMC♠ 05:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Makeup artist? You were on the set that day. Was makeup his main duty? I thought there was more to it, but maybe I'm wrong. APK ^{yada yada} 08:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, this is the definition on the dab page: "Fluffer(makeup artist) is a hairdressing and makeup term. Fluffers were originally those who touched up an actress's hair and makeup during a shoot." APK ^{yada yada} 08:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take a lookie here. --Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 22:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why you said I am spamming when I am not? Please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicianChick (talk • contribs) 03:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then why are all of your edits inserting information about "XXXChurch.com"? --David Shankbone 03:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I replied to your inquiry on my talk page, and now feel that inquiry may be ominously insinuating something. Call me paranoid -- there seems to be a lot of that going around lately. If I'm doing something wrong please let me know. Also, if I'm doing something right it's nice to know that too. Sincerely,--KGBarnett (talk) 00:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A belated message to say welcome back. I think you are a valuable editor for Wikipedia. Stifle (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd welcome you back to, but I didn't know you were gone. :) Thanks for your kind words above. I took another road trip, this time to LaSalle County, Illinois, took a bunch of photos, almost got attacked by a large black dog, and nearly fell headlong from a bluff into the Illinois River. All in all, great times! Seriously. IvoShandor (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I noticed you undid my edit here ([4]) which undid the cleanup work I did, and re-inserted jumbled prose such as "A recent missions in the year 2007 10 students from Los Angeles Unfied School Distric from Bell High School, Los Angeles High School,ect,and sended seven students from the San Francisco Unified School District and on a cultural exchange to Israel", and reinserted an internal wikilink to your name. I would be interested in knowing why you considered such a reversion to be a good idea, considering a) the revert reinserted some inept, subliterate prose, and b) it also reinserted your name - you have been around long enough to know our COI policy, as well as WP:ASR - internal wikilinks are not used in articles. Please take more care with the undo button. Neıl ☎ 12:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted you here. We don't sink to the level of them, and this is just out of bounds by our own rules. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 15:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not. You need to figure out which project you support, Lawrence. Paul Wehage, aka the fieryangel, certainly didn't make that case with Newyorkbrad. I have other evidence of identities of people at the Wikipedia Review...I only exposed the fieryangel because he, Paul Wehage, had committed BLP violations against me over at the Wikipedia Review. I find your defense of them unconscionable considering that they have defamed--with quotes--the deputy director of the WMF, have partaken in off-site harassment of our own editors, and then the whole Newyorkbrad thing. I really question your judgment right now. --David Shankbone 16:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're questioning my loyalty? How many times have I deep-sixed any chance of my being an admin to argue what I feel is the right thing for us to do instead of the easy thing? Brad was one of my favorites on here, and I can assure you that I was and am still very upset. My point in the outing reversion was that by doing this, if it's not him, you're committing a BLP violation yourself--there is no tit for tat policy, and you are going to get screwed over it yourself. And BLP doesn't apply to sites like WR, thats an entirely "internal" WP rule that no jurisdiction beyond our site... Lawrence Cohen § t/e 16:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have evidence it is Paul Wehage. Besides it was known information that Wehage edited on Wikipedia - it's in our archives. It was admitted by his friend Jean-Thierry. The Wikipedia Review continually argues Wikipedia policy on their site, so I held them to their own standards. Something they are unaccustomed to having done. --David Shankbone 16:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David, would you be happy if I mentioned your full, real name on Wikipedia? There's evidence for what it is. It doesn't mean I would have to post it, and I wouldn't expect to. It's not eye for an eye - rise above it. I know it's nothing to do with me, really, I was just checking back re the above post I left for you. It won't be me doing it, but I would imagine that your carrying on this outing rubbish will only end up in one result, and that's you getting blocked. Whilst Wikipedia admins - rightly, obviously and logically - can't influence or affect what happens off-Wiki, we can do so on Wiki. Outing people is a no-no. There is no excuse for it. Neıl ☎ 16:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you're quite a (for want of a better word) controversial figure at the moment (going by all the AN/ANI threads), I have asked for further input on WP:ANI rather than just delete the edits that out a user. Letting you know as a courtesy. Neıl ☎ 16:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neil, my full, real name is known. I'm an accredited reporter for Wikinews, and we have to give our full, real name when we do so. Otherwise, I don't really care what you consider a "no-no" I can certainly defend myself. --David Shankbone 16:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your "You need to figure out which project you support" comment sounds very much like "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists". This "Us vs. Them" attitude is not good for the atmosphere here, and does not Assume Good Faith. As for the "outing", given that one of the main reasons WR is allegedly such an evil attack site is that they are reputed to engage in outing of Wikipedians; now, if we start outing them, just how are we any better than they are? *Dan T.* (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this some kind of new-fangled version of Godwin's Law? The guy's on a wikibreak, leave him alone and let things calm down might be the better approach than comparing him with the hated politician of the hour.IvoShandor (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David, wikibreak or not, you cannot go about "outting" people like that, be they editors on WP or not. You've scant evidence for the WR/TFA connection and, even still, you've absolutely no right to do what you did here on WP. It smacks of vengeance and little else. People have enough issues with certain members of WR going about doing such things, and here you go doing exactly the same on WP??? It's just hypocrisy - Alison ^❤ 18:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's right because if you do you will continue to be scolded by people you don't know, which is a bigger burden than any anonymous editor can bear. :) Hope things get better for you D. IvoShandor (talk) 03:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I just wanted to set the record straight about that blog post I wrote on KTracy.com. I pretty much said that censoring the information, whether it was offensive or not, was uncalled for. I personally didn't care to see the "questionable" images, so I took the word of the pissed off right-wing Christian activist who sent me the e-mail.

Because I wouldn't condemn Wikipedia, she's waging a war against my blog too now.

Anyway, her name is Rebecca Lamopte. If you'd like a copy of the email she's sending around (which pretty much accuses you of being a pedophile by name), I have contact information on my blog. I'll be happy to forward it to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevintracy (talk • contribs) 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi I would just like to apologise if I have upset you in any way, that was not my intent. However please stop linking to my account on WR, as you did on my own userpage without my consent. On wiki as you know, we tend not to edit other contributors userpages unless it's to do what the person concerned would undoubtedly consider helpful.[5] A lot of people use another name on WR, for security and privacy reasons due to certain contributors there. As a woman and due to personal circumstances, this action is particularly intimidating to me. I have never I think advocated outing of wikipedians, certainly I have repeatedly spoken out about people who do it. So I am apologising to you now- I was out of line to mock you, and in turn asking you to stop doing this here or on other sites. This of course I can ask merely as a polite request. But as a woman who has reason to guard her identity, security and privacy, I am asking this of you out of decency and out of what I presume is within you, not to continue to do this, which I find threatening (not threatened by you, but in terms of what it might lead to for me) and intimidating. Merkin's mum 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict- hope you don't mind me replying as I'd already written my reply. I didn't think of it as I thought you were better than acting like this, and still believe you are usually capable of being more ethical than this. I spoke out against something I see as a wrongdoing and backed up someone I saw being treated unjustly. Whether my belief was right or wrong (though I still think it's not her) that's a dangerous to myself, but not wrong action IMHO. Anyway, how's your wikibreak going?:) Yes I might write that essay soon and include an apology- it will be very short though as I'm quite good at summarising, anyway that's only about four threads I think.:) I will do it only if that is a full appeasement and you won't then take any further action towards me or make any actions 'targeted at me' either on or off wikipedia (though you may interact with me here of course if I happen to be involved in editing an article with you- which I doubt we need to worry about as the subject matter of articles that interest you is not my particular area of interest.) Oh and give me a few days to write it, as I'm a perfectionist when it comes to essays.:) Merkin's mum 00:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will hold off for a week. You only get one shot, so make it a good one that's thorough. I really want you to read those words that you and Paul Wehage wrote about me on the Wikipedia Review, and I want you to think about what supporting someone like TFA makes you look like. Make sure you are thorough: Not everybody that edits here is a fucking hippie, Wikiwhistle. I may have shared the "ethics" and values of this project, but I ain't a part of Wikipedia no mo'. You all should be careful how far you push someone. Paulie and Jean-Thierry; keep an eye on the Internets - you will soon see the first in a long line-a-epic-Lulz! How's that for journalism, Moulton, you jackass? --David Shankbone 01:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]