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If I don't respond immediately, I am probably busy. If that is the case, I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Regards, DarkKnight2149

Hey, I started a move discussion at Talk:The Conjuring (film series) (citing your own words) before actually reviewing the discussion and realizing I may have jumped the gun, so you can just blank that section if you’d prefer to keep it to NCF talk for now. I thought a move discussion might get more visibility, but you can just delete it or {{hat}} it or something with my blessing and apologies if you want, since I used your words. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:51, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An innocent error. I don't think removing it or hatting it would be the best idea for now, since users have already cast their votes. Removing it would probably look suspicious on my part; like I'm trying to dictate the discussion. DarkKnight2149 20:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up: I have just edited WP:NCF in a way that I imagine you disagree with as strongly as I do. But guidelines reflect practice, and if consensus insists on misusing the word apparently as a form of WIkipedian jargon, the guideline has to describe that misuse. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DK2149. Just wanted to thank you on your edits to the Leatherface film article. There are a couple of things that still need to be worked on such as fixing some broken citations and expanding the release section (I will be working on expanding that section myself when I have the time so don't you worry about that). I was also wanting to ask you if you are still interested in expanding the article on the film Begotten with me? I am currently having issues with trying to merge it with the short sequel Din of Celestial Birds since there was no feedback on whether or not the merge should happen and, according to this site we can merge it. Any help with this would be appreciated (other tasks for this article are on the talk page of the userspace). I have a separate space that I created for edits and expansions as I do with all articles I do this for. Please let me know.--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack: Yes, I am very sorry about the wait. I am still planning to assist with the Begotten article. The reason for my absence can be chalked up to sheer busy-ness both on-and-off Wiki (even now, I have to open an SPI on a troll sock puppeteer that keeps creating accounts mimicking my username specifically to spam my notifications and vandalise articles). I can push back some of what I am doing to go ahead and help with the merger. By the way, let me know if you have anything specific in mind for improving Chatterer. I know that is another one you mentioned. As far as the draft Leatherface article goes, I expanded the "Characterisation". I think we just need to add Texas Chainsaw 3D and the two Platinum Dunes remake films to that section (also more character information pertaining to Leatherface 2017, when that film is released). DarkKnight2149 00:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jack, can you please link me to the merger discussion? DarkKnight2149 00:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, here it is Talk:Din of Celestial Birds. As far as the Leatherface userspace, I have been putting that off for a while now since it took so much out of me the last time I worked on it. I will try to get back to that when I can since I have a ton of information that I still need to add to the article. As far as that is concerned, I also think we need to add a little background on each actor who portrayed the character, although that's not major. Thanks for the help man! ;)--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Finally fixed a major issue in my revision draft for Begotten. Still trying to get enough information to expand the Themes and Legacy sections. It's starting to look pretty good although it still needs some major additions. As for you being busy, I get it, I was very busy most this summer so take your time.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack: I'm reading over the Begotten draft and its Talk Page as we speak, to see what all needs to be done. I've also started scouting for sources to finish the Characterisation section at the Leatherface draft. Regarding Begotten, have their been any other home media releases besides what's listed? I saw the "Expand" template and, after researching it, I could only find information pertaining to the DVD, VHS, and upcoming Blu-Ray (which are already listed). I may be missing something. DarkKnight2149 18:34, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, not yet anyway. The reason for the update tag on that particular section is in regards to Merhige's announcement of its Blue-Ray release. For that we will need to keep a close eye out for more information on that. In regards to Leatherface, I've been meaning to get back to working on that since I've amassed a good amount of information saved into multiple documents that I haven't gotten around to adding yet since I was taking a break from working on that article. My mistake was to take on that article by myself with little in regards to help (although I thank Bignole for some major additions), and the fact that I've never really worked on a character article before. I will probably start working on that again as soon as I feel up for it so thanks for the help.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:42, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack: I'm doing some more work on the Leatherface draft right now. This might prove useful later (designs from Mortal Kombat X, including an unused Texas Chainsaw 3D skin). DarkKnight2149 22:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! I also had a couple of ideas for the Texas Chainsaw 3d one since they released some unused concept art of the character as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:29, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on an edit of the Userspace Leatherface article at the moment. Will post the edit soon.

Hello DarkKnight2149, Just wanted to let you know of a couple of things before I forget. I'm now on my winter break and so I will try getting back into working on the Leatherface project. I have been looking over it a couple of times and realized that we need to add information on the character's development in the new prequel to the development section since there is none of that information in that section. I will be working on the remake timeline stuff so if you come across any information pertaining to that during your search for information on the other timelines feel free to send them my way. I've also been working on several other articles in my spare time such as trying to get my already GA status article on The Hideous Sun Demon ready for FA status (that might take some time though). I am also working on rewriting and expanding the article on The Gill-Man via a separate userspace. I had a couple of questions pertaining to that, such as whether or not I should add the character's appearance in The Monster Squad, the reason I'm hesitant to do this is since it's not a part of the Universal Monster series and more of a homage to the character so I don't know if it should go there or in the popular culture section. Again thanks for all the help with the Leatherface article, you and several others have made invaluable contributions to its expansion and I can't wait to get it approved for FA status.take that Jason!--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack: If the Leatherface draft does reach FA status, that would be awesome. Work has been moving slowly there, but I intend on adding the rest of Texas Chainsaw 3D to the Characterisation in the near future. I'll take a look at the development sections for the draft and add information from the prequel there. In the case of The Monster Squad, do we know if the Universal Monsters in the film are officially licensed by Universal Pictures? If it isn't officially licensed, my instinct would be to list it in Popular culture. Leatherface (2017 film) is nearly complete and the Blu-Ray comes out in a few days. When I obtain a copy, I'll probably add any applicable information from the Special Features (casting information, filming, removed/deleted scenes, ETC). I know you mentioned wanting to adjust a few things before the eventual peer review. I also plan on doing some work on a Professor Pyg draft, the Begotten draft, Victor Crowley (film), Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation (two in-depth interviews have surfaced), and finishing Hellraiser: Judgment when news starts dropping. It was supposed to be released this year, but appears to be in a similar situation to Leatherface (2017) in that news mysteriously stopped and the film missed its release window. Hopefully it comes out by Halloween 2018; director Gary Tunnicliffe has mentioned that a theatrical release is a possibility and that Bob Weinstein was impressed with it. DarkKnight2149 00:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack: Speaking of "getting back into the swing of things", I haven't been editing much since December. I'll try to get back on that as soon as possible. Leatherface (2017 film) is already awaiting GA review, Hellraiser: Judgment be released next month (I'll need to complete that). Are there any major updates on the Begotten draft? I recently rewatched the film to assist with it. DarkKnight2149 22:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know. College started up again for me and I made the mistake of taking two massive film-making classes back to back so I've been understandably busy and probably will be for a while. I will still continue to make edits whenever I can but major edits may not be immediately forthcoming. I will take a look at the article again and get back to you as soon as I can.--Paleface Jack 03:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: I can understand that, not having much time on Wikipedia recently myself. DarkKnight2149 03:06, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is a bummer though, exhaustion and the fact that I need to finish my film degree have been leaving me with less free time than I would want (sighs) oh well. All work and no play makes (insert name) a dull boy...--Paleface Jack 03:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

You're misconstruing a game that gives a character a backstory from their films with a game that is based on that franchise. Those are not the same thing. Dead by Daylight is a game that features those characters, NOT a game that is about those characters. THe same with Mortal Kombat. It isn't a TCM game. It's a game that features Leatherface. THe fact that they write backstories from the films doesn't change the fact that it isn't about the franchise, it's about that character. That's why it is relevant on the character page and not the franchise page. You're making it seem like those are officially licensed TCM games, and they aren't. They are games that secured the license to use Leatherface in their series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bignole: No, you are misconstruing the unrelated base game with the specific downloadable expansion packs to said game, which are indeed officially licensed adaptations of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise. As has already been pointed out, the base games themselves may not be notable, but that is not what is being added to the article. Only the pertinent information from that specific downloadable content is what is being added. If you ask around, I'm sure most other users will testify to its notability. If WP:HORROR wasn't a semi-active project, we could take this there. But all civil disagreements aside, I echo Paleface Jack's words below that any assistance would be appreciated. DarkKnight2149 00:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns Bignole. Maybe you could help us out with expanding this and the revision draft of the character. It would make the process run a lot faster given that it's only me and DarkKnight2149 here working on the revision draft (I still need to get around to helping with the other articles as well).--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dark, could you show me where it says that it is an officially licensed game of the TCM franchise? I can tell you for a fact that you won't find that for Mortal Kombat, which is just a character pack. So, you must be referring to Dead by Daylight, in which case I would ask for a reliable source confirming it as an officially licensed game of the franchise and not simply a game featured a character from the franchise (i.e., more suitable to Leatherface's article than the TCM franchise page). 06:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

For the record, this is not a comment on the character but rather on the 2017 film. In regards to the film, i think that it's ready for GA status. In regards to the character, there are some information that needs to be added to the development section such as the character's development in the TC3D and the latest film. I am still working on the remake timeline, and any information that you come across during your search for the 3D and Leatherface timelines please let me know.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DK2149, Although I'm still very busy at the moment, I was thinking that we should transfer what we have currently on the article on the Leatherface character. My thoughts on that is this: Even though there is still some work that needs to be done to the article with more information needed to be added, I think the best bet in getting some more help with it is to transfer what we have so far and see if anyone else can help. I just wanted your thoughts on the idea before going ahead and implementing it.--Paleface Jack 16:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: Greetings, and sorry for the late reply. My personal opinion is that we should wait until it's a bit closer to completion before moving it, because it might attract the wrong types of editors. You can see the edit history of the current Leatherface article to get an idea of what I'm talking about. I myself have had to deal with a lot of that from inexperienced IP editors and redlink accounts at Jigsaw (2017 film), Halloween (2018 film), and Hellraiser: Judgment (the vandal Its judgment day is one I think you yourself reverted). It might be a better idea to alert WP:FILM, since Leatherface is a popular film character and that WikiProject seems active. Of course, it's your draft, so the final decision is in your hands.

In terms of the work on it, I actually have several sources related to Texas Chainsaw 3D bookmarked on my computer that I've been meaning to update it with for a while now. Hopefully I'll get to that soon. I know you mentioned that some of the development regarding the 2017 film should be added to the draft. Might I ask which information do you have in mind? I added the information regarding Sam Strike's preparation for the role to Men Behind the Mask and I added the info on how he was portrayed/written to Characterization. If you still believe that there's other information for that film that is pertinent to the draft, please let me know.

Hellraiser: Judgment is pretty much finished. Like Leatherface (2017 film), I'm pretty much just playing the waiting game with those articles. Judgment is awaiting Peer Review, though it doesn't look like anyone is going to respond (If archived with no reply, I'm thinking about seeking advise from an FA mentor on how close it is to reaching FA quality; if it doesn't have a chance at that, I'm convinced it's ripe enough for a GA nomination). Meanwhile, Leatherface (2017) is collecting dust at WP:GAN#FILM. Just got to wait those out, which gives me time to work on the Leatherface and Professor Pyg drafts.

I also have relatively fresh interviews bookmarked that should help expand the Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre III and Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation articles. Cheers. DarkKnight2149 03:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking the same thing, might as well do whatever's best to finish it. Why are you editing a draft on Professor Pyg?--Paleface Jack 03:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I also have a bunch of information on Leatherface all in a file on one of my many flash drives if that helps. I still think we need to get more people working on this article since its only us two at the moment (well I haven't done a lot in the past several months, me being burned out with film projects and stuff). Any other insights from someone else who might bring something fresh that we might be missing is always accepted. I was thinking DarkWarriorBlade considering his work on expanding the article on The Thing, which I also want to make an article on the character and possibly have him help me with that one two. At the moment I'm chilling at the moment "recovering" from this term so it might take me a while to implement all of this... Sighs... Oh well.--Paleface Jack 04:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: I'll go ahead and leave a message at WP:FILM to see if we can attract some attention to it. I have actually worked with Darkwarriorblake on occasion in the past (probably the most recent one being in a discussion regarding Joker (character) last year). If he helped on the article, that would be great. He's already helped an impressive number of articles reach Good Article and Featured Article status. Tagging: @Darkwarriorblake: Would you be interested in helping us develop the Leatherface draft?

I would suggest Paul730 for his work on Michael Myers (Halloween) and Jason Voorhees, but he seems to be inactive in recent years. His userpage lists Bignole (who has worked on the draft before) and Zythe as honourary collaborators. I have interacted with Zythe on various occasions in the past (particularly on comic book related articles), but they don't seem to edit many horror articles. Still, it wouldn't hurt to ask. DarkKnight2149 20:01, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead. I sent a message to DarkWarriorBlade to see if he would like to come onboard, we shall see what that brings.--Paleface Jack 20:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done @Paleface Jack: @Darkwarriorblake: I have notified the WikiProject. I plan on getting those Texas Chainsaw 3D sources in the draft within the week. DarkKnight2149 21:02, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good work.--Paleface Jack 21:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi guys! I like the original TCSM but I'm no expert on the franchise, so don't think I'll be much help here. Do bear me in mind for other stuff (I'm more au fait with Scream and Nightmare if you're ever working on those shows).Zythe (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you're looking for diffs there's [1] as well as this whole exchange[2]. I think it would be quicker and less work to just open a topic at WP:ANI abut the editor's chronic incivility and requesting appropriate sanctions before going the ArbCom route. Nixon Now (talk) 23:04, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nixon Now: Thank you for the extra evidence, though I admittedly already have plenty. Curly's usage of the word "fuck" in those diffs was most definitely disruptive (It's not the word itself, it's the uncivil way you use it that will get you sanctioned). However, there are two issues with filing an ANI report now:

1. We've been down the ANI road before, and Curly Turkey managed to group with several of his associates (whom I will also be reporting in a diff-by-diff breakdown of everything that transpired from then to now, which is a lot of ground), twist virtually everything I said around, Wiki-lawyered, and successfully sanction gamed with the help of an WP:INVOLVED administrator. Not only that, but other users have reported Curly's incivility at ANI in the past year, and administrators seem unwilling to address it. I admit that Curly Turkey has contributed very much to building this encyclopedia and it would be a shame to lose him, but he also seems convinced that he can get away with pretty much anything and leisurely disrupts or attacks virtually everyone he doesn't agree with. Even now, he is trying desperately to spin this as "Darkknight2149's revenge on the 'community'." ArbCom is the only option at this point.

2. The diffs are from 25 March. I gave Curly and his "cabal" as he describes them (whom I already tagged - Softlavender, Hijiri88, Drmies, and the already-banned Twitbookspacetube) the final warning on 27 March. A case request will be filed on the very next instance of disruption. I'm mainly watching Curly, as he is easily the most outspokenly and persistently disruptive out of all of them. Hell, I haven't been watching Softlavender or Drmies at all, so it would be a shame if their past actions would have to come to light simply because Curly doesn't know how to collaborate with other users. DarkKnight2149 23:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]