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Hi. On 02:26, 1 August 2023, you stated addressing me in the Talk:Russia#Removal of maps, "The article you referred to in this discussion was Haiti. Making a mass change across a number of articles to see where you won't get reverted is not a strong argument, and can become disruptive. If you want to cudgel someone about civility, do it on an admin noticeboard."

I will follow the steps listed on the civility policy, emphasizing that "editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect. They should focus on improving the encyclopedia while maintaining a pleasant editing environment by behaving politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates." Accusing me or implying that I make "a mass change across a number of articles to see where you won't get reverted" is false and I feel it is an "ill-considered accusations of impropriety" (WP:ICA).

I explained in the thread that my motivation adding the maps was because I felt there was an informational gap that needed to be addressed. For some reason you decided to imply I was just making the additions to see where I was not going to be reverted. Maybe we misunderstood each other? Can you clarify? Thanks. Thinker78 (talk) 04:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you would like to review your contributions per your above advice. As for the clarification, you were arguing for WP:SILENCE on the basis that some edits you made to some articles weren't reverted. I find that clear enough. CMD (talk) 04:08, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion about "mass change across a number of articles to see where you won't get reverted" is still not true. I was explaining about the addition I made of maps of other countries that they were left alone because per WP:EDITCONSENSUS, in "Wikipedia consensus usually occurs implicitly. An edit has presumed consensus until it is disputed or reverted." I certainly did not add the maps to see where I was not going to get reverted.

You stated, "Perhaps you would like to review your contributions per your above advice." Can you quote verbatim what contributions are you mentioning so I can see what I may have said or did wrongly that provoked a defensive, irritated or fed-up response? Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 04:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You could start with reviewing the deliberately antagonistic language used in that question, and work from there towards the somehow repeated again poor appeal to WP:SILENCE on edits that have already been reverted multiple times. CMD (talk) 05:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I simply asked a question following the steps of the civility policy because maybe you did not really mean to state a falsehood about my edits. Maybe you stated, "Making a mass change across a number of articles to see where you won't get reverted is not a strong argument", as a defensive, irritated or fed-up response. Then I am wondering what drove you to make such an ill-considered accusation. Was it something I said or something else?

I mean think about it for a moment. You think the question is "deliberately antagonistic language" when it is not. Then why don't you use that same reasoning to try to understand where I am coming from when you apparently state falsehoods about my edits about the addition of the maps. Or do you truly believe I made the effort to make some maps which took me a few hours only to add them to see where I was not going to get reverted? Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your question is a classic example of a deliberately leading question, with in-built assumptions designed to create a specific framing to shift and assign blame. If you genuinely want to be civil, I would suggest looking for a way to avoid such well poisoning. CMD (talk) 01:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The statement "Making a mass change across a number of articles to see where you won't get reverted" made me feel frustrated as it doesn't portray my editing accurately at all and it derailed what could have been just a collegial and polite discussion. I don't think it was appropriate at all. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 05:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I ask you again to review the conversation from the beginning. You opened in your first post with "I don't think the position of the editor is reasonable", and followed up in your second post with "You are grasping at straws". The idea that I "derailed what could have been just a collegial and polite discussion" with something I said 23 comments in is a remarkable claim. CMD (talk) 06:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I sense that you didn't like that I stated that your position was not reasonable or that I wrote "you are grasping at straws". I apologize for making you feel uncomfortable with the way I wrote my opinion. Let's both strike through the parts that made us feel uneasy. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 06:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't make me feel uneasy or uncomfortable. What did perplex me is carrying out the discussion as it was, coming to my talkpage with considerable patronising language, and then without irony directly quoting from the civility policy. CMD (talk) 06:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was not my intention to sound patronizing and I believe my initial post in this thread was objective, respectful and to the point. I tried to keep a respectful tone throughout even though you decided to go in circles about the reason of my complaint to you about the inaccurate comment you made that I found demeaning, frustrating, and uncomfortable.

If I quoted directly from the civility policy it was because I wanted to follow it as properly as possible. A simple reciprocal apology would have been ideal but I understand many people sadly don't care about doing such things. I will move on. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 06:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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