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{{unblock reviewed | 1=I received an email that telling me there was no need to use WP:STANDARDOFFER and to post my unblock request on my talkpage instead. In most parts I am using the same text as I did on WP:STANDARDOFFER: I lately experienced that being banned does not really solve matters [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=870536717&oldid=869410508] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Use_of_ticket_system_by_site-banned_user_to_get_warning_about_abuse_of_email_removed?], especially while still contributing to the project elsewhere [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/de.wikipedia.org/Catflap08]. Lately yet another editor asked me to use the WP:STANDARDOFFER. I received that suggestion in the past, but refused to go ahead with it – to my mind it was too early. With this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soka_Gakkai&diff=prev&oldid=759722334] I knew perfectly well, given there was/is a TBAN, administrators could block me. It was unwise for me to do that and at the time and I should have sought the help and advice of others on how to insert the reference. It was an extremely rare, reliable and most of all valuable piece of information though – I took the risk. I did not challenge the ban until now, even though my focus in the German Wikipedia is much the same as it was within the English Wikipedia and I believe to be an editor of good standing with de.wikipedia – there was a small exception when somebody tried to drag a conflict form en.wikipedia into de.wikipedia – this was short lived though. I used the ban to move along, edit the German Wikipedia instead and find closure on a conflict that had been going on far too long. The conflict affected my health at the time so closure on the matter was the only way to go forward. I never made a secret of the fact that I myself was once an adherent of Soka Gakkai, this was even my main reason to join the project in the first place – to achieve an unbiased and balanced view. Wikipedia should not be a battleground, nor should it be used as a means to advertise either. I did notice however, that in MY opinion some articles (like Soka Gakkai, Nichiren and Nichiren Buddhism) are somewhat “controlled” by SPAs. One could very much argue that my account was an SPA too, but my focus was to gather general information on Nichiren Buddhism. I believe that I can still, and maybe someday will, continue to do that. Looking at the circumstances though this is a task I cannot take up any time soon. Most of all I would like to edit my own talk page (without being challenged for doing so) for a start. Prior to this incident [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=870536717&oldid=869410508] and email correspondence I was unaware that I was actually allowed to do so all along? I was so sorry to learn that an administrator who assisted me on the matter got criticised for doing so [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=870786535#Use_of_ticket_system_by_site-banned_user_to_get_warning_about_abuse_of_email_removed?]. I also do not want to get involved, nor get mentioned, in any “conspiracy theories”. However, I would like to use my own sandbox to “reconstruct” articles on topics mentioned above – this will take weeks and months and I may have to seek the advice of others. I hope that I will be able to that while the TBAN stays in place though. Applying for the TBAN to be lifted is a second step somewhere down the road. The English Wikipedia is, compared to the German Wikipedia, much like a war zone and therefore I would like to expand articles concerned with geographical issues in Europe - hope this far away enough form any conflict. Even though my mother is Scottish, my father is Sudeten German so using existing articles in the German and Czech Wikipedia could serve as a basis. I want to be able to speak up on my behalf. If asked, I still believe that my case was treated unfair – except for the reasons that led to my ban … my block was entirely justified. BUT the block was the only way to end an issue that desperately needed to be ended. It is time let bygones be bygones. Prior to my block Wikipedia took up more time than it should have. Considering all restrictions though I would like to take one step at a time. Most of all I would hate others being drawn into matters that they are not, nor have been, involved in. One article I would stay away from, at least on en.wikipedia, is the one on Kenji Miyazawa. I know that if my ban is lifted my behaviour would probably be closely monitored – at the same time I hope to receive help if certain issues resurface.--[[User:Catflap08|Catflap08]] ([[User talk:Catflap08#top|talk]]) 19:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC) | decline = Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficiently convincing for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. -- [[User:Scott Burley|Scott]] ([[User talk:Scott Burley|talk]]) 04:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock|1= I received an email that telling me there was no need to use WP:STANDARDOFFER and to post my unblock request on my talkpage instead. In most parts I am using the same text as I did on WP:STANDARDOFFER: |
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I lately experienced that being banned does not really solve matters [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=870536717&oldid=869410508] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Use_of_ticket_system_by_site-banned_user_to_get_warning_about_abuse_of_email_removed?], especially while still contributing to the project elsewhere [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/de.wikipedia.org/Catflap08]. Lately yet another editor asked me to use the WP:STANDARDOFFER. I received that suggestion in the past, but refused to go ahead with it – to my mind it was too early. |
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With this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soka_Gakkai&diff=prev&oldid=759722334] I knew perfectly well, given there was/is a TBAN, administrators could block me. It was unwise for me to do that and at the time and I should have sought the help and advice of others on how to insert the reference. It was an extremely rare, reliable and most of all valuable piece of information though – I took the risk. I did not challenge the ban until now, even though my focus in the German Wikipedia is much the same as it was within the English Wikipedia and I believe to be an editor of good standing with de.wikipedia – there was a small exception when somebody tried to drag a conflict form en.wikipedia into de.wikipedia – this was short lived though. |
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I used the ban to move along, edit the German Wikipedia instead and find closure on a conflict that had been going on far too long. The conflict affected my health at the time so closure on the matter was the only way to go forward. |
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I never made a secret of the fact that I myself was once an adherent of Soka Gakkai, this was even my main reason to join the project in the first place – to achieve an unbiased and balanced view. Wikipedia should not be a battleground, nor should it be used as a means to advertise either. I did notice however, that in MY opinion some articles (like Soka Gakkai, Nichiren and Nichiren Buddhism) are somewhat “controlled” by SPAs. One could very much argue that my account was an SPA too, but my focus was to gather general information on Nichiren Buddhism. I believe that I can still, and maybe someday will, continue to do that. Looking at the circumstances though this is a task I cannot take up any time soon. |
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Most of all I would like to edit my own talk page (without being challenged for doing so) for a start. Prior to this incident [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=870536717&oldid=869410508] and email correspondence I was unaware that I was actually allowed to do so all along? I was so sorry to learn that an administrator who assisted me on the matter got criticised for doing so [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=870786535#Use_of_ticket_system_by_site-banned_user_to_get_warning_about_abuse_of_email_removed?]. I also do not want to get involved, nor get mentioned, in any “conspiracy theories”. However, I would like to use my own sandbox to “reconstruct” articles on topics mentioned above – this will take weeks and months and I may have to seek the advice of others. I hope that I will be able to that while the TBAN stays in place though. Applying for the TBAN to be lifted is a second step somewhere down the road. The English Wikipedia is, compared to the German Wikipedia, much like a war zone and therefore I would like to expand articles concerned with geographical issues in Europe - hope this far away enough form any conflict. Even though my mother is Scottish, my father is Sudeten German so using existing articles in the German and Czech Wikipedia could serve as a basis. |
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I want to be able to speak up on my behalf. If asked, I still believe that my case was treated unfair – except for the reasons that led to my ban … my block was entirely justified. BUT the block was the only way to end an issue that desperately needed to be ended. It is time let bygones be bygones. Prior to my block Wikipedia took up more time than it should have. Considering all restrictions though I would like to take one step at a time. Most of all I would hate others being drawn into matters that they are not, nor have been, involved in. One article I would stay away from, at least on en.wikipedia, is the one on Kenji Miyazawa. I know that if my ban is lifted my behaviour would probably be closely monitored – at the same time I hope to receive help if certain issues resurface.--[[User:Catflap08|Catflap08]] ([[User talk:Catflap08#top|talk]]) 19:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)}} |
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:{{nao}} It would be interesting to see some comment on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=761193362&oldid=761174558 this edit], which seems to be the one that put the final nail in your coffin. —<span style="font-family: serif">'''''[[User:Wasell|<span style="color: #0a0">Wasell</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Wasell|(<span style="color: #e66">T</span>)]]</sup>'''''</span> 09:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC) |
:{{nao}} It would be interesting to see some comment on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Catflap08&diff=761193362&oldid=761174558 this edit], which seems to be the one that put the final nail in your coffin. —<span style="font-family: serif">'''''[[User:Wasell|<span style="color: #0a0">Wasell</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Wasell|(<span style="color: #e66">T</span>)]]</sup>'''''</span> 09:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC) |
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::A stupid thing is was and it was and more than stupid to have said that. I could have inserted all the diffs that led to the block. I was extremely fed up at the time –and surely not only me. Prior to the block two years (ish) of quarrelling and what have you. I decided not to insert those diffs, because if an unblock would mean to go back to square one and re-start the whole drama – then by all means, I too, would rather not have it. I could list a whole lot of other issues that went wrong – I decided not to. I was hesitant to even insert the diffs that I did. There was an attempt to even continue the whole issue elsewhere in Wikipedia well after my block – that attempt failed, I reported it, but did not insist on it to be sanctioned.--[[User:Catflap08|Catflap08]] ([[User talk:Catflap08#top|talk]]) 19:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC) |
::A stupid thing is was and it was and more than stupid to have said that. I could have inserted all the diffs that led to the block. I was extremely fed up at the time –and surely not only me. Prior to the block two years (ish) of quarrelling and what have you. I decided not to insert those diffs, because if an unblock would mean to go back to square one and re-start the whole drama – then by all means, I too, would rather not have it. I could list a whole lot of other issues that went wrong – I decided not to. I was hesitant to even insert the diffs that I did. There was an attempt to even continue the whole issue elsewhere in Wikipedia well after my block – that attempt failed, I reported it, but did not insist on it to be sanctioned.--[[User:Catflap08|Catflap08]] ([[User talk:Catflap08#top|talk]]) 19:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC) |
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UTRS appeal #23543 was submitted on Dec 10, 2018 19:53:51. This review is now closed.
--UTRSBot (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Unblock
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Request reason:
I received an email that telling me there was no need to use WP:STANDARDOFFER and to post my unblock request on my talkpage instead. In most parts I am using the same text as I did on WP:STANDARDOFFER: I lately experienced that being banned does not really solve matters [1] [2], especially while still contributing to the project elsewhere [3]. Lately yet another editor asked me to use the WP:STANDARDOFFER. I received that suggestion in the past, but refused to go ahead with it – to my mind it was too early. With this edit [4] I knew perfectly well, given there was/is a TBAN, administrators could block me. It was unwise for me to do that and at the time and I should have sought the help and advice of others on how to insert the reference. It was an extremely rare, reliable and most of all valuable piece of information though – I took the risk. I did not challenge the ban until now, even though my focus in the German Wikipedia is much the same as it was within the English Wikipedia and I believe to be an editor of good standing with de.wikipedia – there was a small exception when somebody tried to drag a conflict form en.wikipedia into de.wikipedia – this was short lived though. I used the ban to move along, edit the German Wikipedia instead and find closure on a conflict that had been going on far too long. The conflict affected my health at the time so closure on the matter was the only way to go forward. I never made a secret of the fact that I myself was once an adherent of Soka Gakkai, this was even my main reason to join the project in the first place – to achieve an unbiased and balanced view. Wikipedia should not be a battleground, nor should it be used as a means to advertise either. I did notice however, that in MY opinion some articles (like Soka Gakkai, Nichiren and Nichiren Buddhism) are somewhat “controlled” by SPAs. One could very much argue that my account was an SPA too, but my focus was to gather general information on Nichiren Buddhism. I believe that I can still, and maybe someday will, continue to do that. Looking at the circumstances though this is a task I cannot take up any time soon. Most of all I would like to edit my own talk page (without being challenged for doing so) for a start. Prior to this incident [5] and email correspondence I was unaware that I was actually allowed to do so all along? I was so sorry to learn that an administrator who assisted me on the matter got criticised for doing so [6]. I also do not want to get involved, nor get mentioned, in any “conspiracy theories”. However, I would like to use my own sandbox to “reconstruct” articles on topics mentioned above – this will take weeks and months and I may have to seek the advice of others. I hope that I will be able to that while the TBAN stays in place though. Applying for the TBAN to be lifted is a second step somewhere down the road. The English Wikipedia is, compared to the German Wikipedia, much like a war zone and therefore I would like to expand articles concerned with geographical issues in Europe - hope this far away enough form any conflict. Even though my mother is Scottish, my father is Sudeten German so using existing articles in the German and Czech Wikipedia could serve as a basis. I want to be able to speak up on my behalf. If asked, I still believe that my case was treated unfair – except for the reasons that led to my ban … my block was entirely justified. BUT the block was the only way to end an issue that desperately needed to be ended. It is time let bygones be bygones. Prior to my block Wikipedia took up more time than it should have. Considering all restrictions though I would like to take one step at a time. Most of all I would hate others being drawn into matters that they are not, nor have been, involved in. One article I would stay away from, at least on en.wikipedia, is the one on Kenji Miyazawa. I know that if my ban is lifted my behaviour would probably be closely monitored – at the same time I hope to receive help if certain issues resurface.--Catflap08 (talk) 19:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficiently convincing for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. -- Scott (talk) 04:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- (Non-administrator comment) It would be interesting to see some comment on this edit, which seems to be the one that put the final nail in your coffin. —Wasell(T) 09:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- A stupid thing is was and it was and more than stupid to have said that. I could have inserted all the diffs that led to the block. I was extremely fed up at the time –and surely not only me. Prior to the block two years (ish) of quarrelling and what have you. I decided not to insert those diffs, because if an unblock would mean to go back to square one and re-start the whole drama – then by all means, I too, would rather not have it. I could list a whole lot of other issues that went wrong – I decided not to. I was hesitant to even insert the diffs that I did. There was an attempt to even continue the whole issue elsewhere in Wikipedia well after my block – that attempt failed, I reported it, but did not insist on it to be sanctioned.--Catflap08 (talk) 19:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)