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::Carol, I understood it; my proposal over there - preceding yours - was posted for the same reason. But, it seems that [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]] collects rather proposal of solutions to problems (than problem notices themselves), and only those particularly pertaining to the "theory" of vandalism. Sneaky vandals have bothered me too, in particular those, who seep through the system unpunished damaging others' (including mine) contributions by pretending acting in good-faith. So, I posted the proposal over there to strengthen the "vandalism" definition (in part pertaining to "deliberate" and "good-faith effort") allowing to hunt them down or just as a deterrent with a benefit to everyone. If you can think about a particular solution to the problem you encountered, it will be beneficiary to post it too. -Eugene[[User:70.18.5.219|70.18.5.219]] 18:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::Carol, I understood it; my proposal over there - preceding yours - was posted for the same reason. But, it seems that [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]] collects rather proposal of solutions to problems (than problem notices themselves), and only those particularly pertaining to the "theory" of vandalism. Sneaky vandals have bothered me too, in particular those, who seep through the system unpunished damaging others' (including mine) contributions by pretending acting in good-faith. So, I posted the proposal over there to strengthen the "vandalism" definition (in part pertaining to "deliberate" and "good-faith effort") allowing to hunt them down or just as a deterrent with a benefit to everyone. If you can think about a particular solution to the problem you encountered, it will be beneficiary to post it too. -Eugene[[User:70.18.5.219|70.18.5.219]] 18:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I am facing the problem today with someone actually deleting all the evidence I provide of a controversial point opposed by citizens of a foreign nation and then putting in {{citation needed}}. Also claimed POV.

Someone else who may or may not have the same bias then chimed in with [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:SYN|Synthesis]]. Luckily, most of points I make were made by a [[Pulitzer Prize]] winning reporter in a best selling book so I just have to go back and make my case better. At least in my case I know what is going on, got very specific statements of why changes made and it's not just vandals having fun and giving no credible reasons. However, the latter usually is easier to revert.

I don't know if stricter rules are necessary. But I do know it's necessary to know the wiki lingo to defend your points - and be willing to strengthen you edits if there are reasonable ''sounding'' objections made.

The one thing I would like to see is an archive of articles deleted kept for a few weeks so we can find out who did what and why. When they just disappear for no reason or one missed the reason it happened so fast, it's a problem. I keep complete wiki html copies of articles I've made significant changes to and now see that is very useful if want to contest a mysterious deletion like that one.
Carol Moore 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

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Moving pages

JoseRodriguez → Jose Jorge Rodriguez … Rationale: I'm too new to move and didn't realize URL and name on top of page were same. Plus want to clearly separate from another Jose Rodriguez in wikipedia. - User:Carolmooredc

Hi Carol. Yeah I can see you're confusing some different things here. Let me sort this out for you. Hang on a sec...
...OK I've moved the page you created. It's now at Jose Jorge Rodriguez as it should be. I also created some wiki links (links to various other wikipedia articles) from that page. Maybe you can see some more of these that should added, just to mesh it into wikipedia nicely. You should also create one or two incoming links to this page. If you look here Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Jose_Jorge_Rodriguez, it shows that there are no incoming links (well apart from this discussion page). If you can find an any appropriate article in which Jose Rodriguez could be mentioned (and linked to like this [[Jose Jorge Rodriguez]]), then this will help to mesh things together nicely too. See how that works?
There are some other points which are maybe confusing you. Most 'users' (people editing wikipedia) have a user page, prefixed with 'User:'. Only very few wikipedia editors are sufficiently notable, that they have an actual wikipedia article written about them. It's an honour to be chatting to you :-) You have and article Carol Moore which should be written (and has been written) in a balanced neutral point of view, by many wikipedia editors. You also have a 'user page' User:Carolmooredc where you're free to write about yourself, as you see fit (if you want). This gets automatically linked to, in page 'history' displays and 'recent changes'. Moving/renaming a user page technically tricky thing to try to do. But the pages Carol Moore and Jose Jorge Rodriguez are not user pages. They are regular wikipedia articles. You can move them yourself, using the 'move' tab at the top.
hmmmm hopefully that makes things clearer. Anyway welcome to wikipedia! -- Nojer2 13:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg - higher resolution?

Regarding Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg, could you upload a higher resolution version of this image? Images can be uploaded to Wikipedia at any resolution (the higher the better), and then can be sized to the proper screen resolution when you link them into the articles. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind... I replaced it with one of my own images. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DOB

What is your date of birth? Usually, on articles about people, we include the full DOB next to the name in the first sentence of the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding DOB, that's fine. You're also the first I've hit up about a DOB, and so it's never come up before regarding similar reluctance. You do raise a good point, though. I went ahead and put the birth year at the top, and added the article to Category:Date of birth missing. Otherwise, regarding the NPOV tag, it's actually not a lot of stuff that's causing it, and I've been thinking about how to reword those areas. One that I'm particularly trying to reword is the part where it speaks of "wars of aggression". And lastly, I moved the quotes off onto a Wikiquote page. More quotes there = helpful, but we just need to source them. SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and such

First of all, thank you for your contributions of all the links and such. They will be valuable in filling out the article should it survive AFD.

Also, I invite you to read over WP:AUTO, which is a guideline about how people who have articles about them should conduct themselves regarding those articles. I think a large part of the reason that the article about you was submitted for AFD in the first place is because the perception was that you were a major contributor to an article about you, which is strongly discouraged. In other words, that's a bit of a no-no, and I was deficient in not bringing this to your attention sooner. Basically, in most situations, it is considered proper for you to make contributions and suggestions via the article's talk page (Talk:Carol Moore), and to let others edit the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Jose Rodriguez (Activist)

Haven't been back lately but was very active today and decided to check Jose Rodriguez (activist) and low and behold looks like sometime in last 6 weeks they decided he wasn't important enough to keep. However, they still have the disambiguation with the OTHER Jose Rodriguez. And they still have the shell of a page entitled Jose Rodriguez (activist). I'm not going to fight for it or anything but am just curious as to whether this was an official dropping of the page; if I can easily find an explanation just to send him; and anything else of interest you might have to say. You may have been watching the page and more on top than I was. Have made some big changes to and important page and will continue to do so, so will be paying more attention in the future :-)

Carol Moore 05:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC) carolmooredc

According to the deletion log, Jorge Rodriguez (activist) was deleted after a proposed deletion was allowed to expire. The article was deleted by Srikeit, but I don't know who originally posted the proposed deletion. For that matter, I also don't know what the reason was for the proposed deletion. I have/had the article watchlisted, and I don't even remember the prod nomination going in, and so I should have seen it. I'm considering contesting the prod, which would get the article restored, though it might be subject to an AFD after that. SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and listed it on deletion review, and so the article should be restored soon. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jose Rodriguez restored

The article on Jose Rodriguez has been restored. The prod reason, now listed in the history, states that Rodriguez's notability was questioned. We now need references to satisfy WP:BIO. That's the kicker now. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After the problems I had with mine almost getting dumped I WAS surprised that it had lasted as long as had. I don't think his most noteable accomplishments are on the web except as noted on his web site. But will throw in a few things and see if that satisfies whomsoever Carol Moore 21:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC) carolmooredc (Talk)

Do you know of any third-party references? That's what the article really needs. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the original articles and video tapes referred to but they are too old to be on line. Actually he could put the two news videos on line. And even copies of the articles. For now I guess giving them dates would help, and I actually might be able to find a few, but he's away for couple months so can't check his files. ALSO: note that the business about children's books on Carol Moore entry was the OTHER Carol Moore who rates high on google. Will email that person about that. Carol Moore 22:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)carolmooredc (Talk)

Policy on Trashing People in Discussion Sections??

Someone shared obnoxious opinions about me in the discussion section of a page I had edited, based merely on false accusations. Can one claim POV etc and remove such comments from a discussion section? I'm too annoyed to do a lot of research on Wiki policy on it right now myself. Tomorrow. Meanwhile, for any opinions, THANKS! :-(

Carol Moore 02:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

May I take a slight leap of faith and say that the page you are referring to is Talk:DC Anti-War Network? On that page, I've added {{talkheader}} to it, as a reminder that it is a talk page for the article, and not a discussion forum for DAWN. As for the content of the comments there, I don't think there's much you can do except counter it with your own message, which it seems you did. Just please remember - play nicely. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing that and hopefully whom so ever will take the hint. And I was on my best behavior cause I have lots of pages I want to fix up -- but so little time to do it!! :-)

Carol Moore 02:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

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Bruce Baechelor

Any chance of your starting an article on Bruce Baechelor? He's one of several missing notable people on LPedia, and if you started it there (and noted a dual licence or similar in case someone other than you edits it) at http://www.lpedia.org/index.php?title=Bruce_Baechelor you wouldn't need to worry about it getting deleted before his notability can be properly asserted (I'm the de facto main Sysop there although I don't have bureaucrat access or permission to change the main page). I also haven't succeeded in finding the chain of Texas LP chairs that goes back to him, let alone all the way to 1972.

You might remember me. I had a beard and a cane (and large bifocals) in Indianapolis in 2002 and spent most of my time with George Phillies and Melinda Pillsbury-Foster.

-- Strangelv 12:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can put it on my WIKI do list - which is very long. I assume you saw my memorial page? Feel free to do all that using info from HIS page: http://www.carolmoore.net/bruce/baechler.html

Carol Moore 14:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

Thanks .

There is hope for the Ward Churchill article and its extensions. but it will probably have to go through the entire dispute resolution process before it happens. I am hoping that the disruption stops without an admin deciding to protect it yet again. Your suggestion that everyone should take a deep breath was definitely worth a try. As for your edit I assume that the others would have been all over it if they disagreed with it. I hate proof reading . Anyway thanks for your participation thus far. Albion moonlight 10:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

Hey Carol, thanks for the note and the vandal fighting! I had a look, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if it's one person or multiple people, but my guess is that it's either one or just a few, since they haven't made that many edits. If it was like a school IP, they'd have a lot more. Anyway, the way I'd proceed in this case is like with other vandals: give them warnings starting with {{uw-v1}} and proceeding through the levels up to {{uw-v4}} if they keep doing it. After that, you can report them on WP:AIV for blocking, they generally get dealt with pretty quickly. I'm more of a stickler for giving all the templates than most people are, but it's generally seen as good to make sure they've gotten at least a couple warnings recently before being blocked (unless they're doing something really egregious). Anyway, thanks again for the work, definitely let me know if you need any help or anything. Peace, delldot talk 17:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Burr and Hamilton

I reverted the statement on the cause of the duel because it was nowhere close to to the complete story. With the reference to Hamilton as the "founder of American conservatism" I assumed the whole edit was vandalism. Tom (North Shoreman) 00:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Israel nukes

Really excellent edits to Nuclear weapons and Israel! I had only scrapped together the little information I could find when I first wrote the article (from Hersh and Cohen), but this makes it incredibly comprehensive. Heck, if someone adds a criticism section it could go FA. Samson Option also finally got the detail it deserved. Thanks, Joshdboz 23:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've been waiting for the bombs to fall on the article but so far so good! A one word alleged POV was deleted which I could have debated, but not that big a deal. As a 30 year anti-nuke activist it's a big issue for me and I had a lot of sources already and found a bunch more for the article. Also made important additions to POLICY section of nuclear weapons and Israel.
Carol Moore 17:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

Panarchy and pancracy

Hi, I've seen you have edited Panarchy (and that it's on your user page!). It has been proposed that Panocracy, an article currently nominated for deletion, be merged into it. Perhaps you'd like to contribute? --Victor falk 17:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, considering that panocracy has NO references, for all we know this is original research by a couple of writers, something which is not supposed to be done on wikipedia. So unless you can prove that it really is a philosophy known about in wider political circles, I agree it SHOULD be deleted. And I don't think it should be referred to in either article if it's just one or two people's bright idea. When it gets more popularity, sure. I'm also opposed to merging it into panarchy or panarchism for that reason.
Carol Moore 22:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc
Well it appears that pancracy and panocracy and panarchy and pan>infix of your choice<c(h)y are all synonyms, but that panarchy is the preferred term. It seems to me that parts of the content in "panarchy" would fit into "panarchy"... --Victor falk 22:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you know something about this topic, please include a comment or 'vote' on the deletion proposal page. Thanks, Anarchia 22:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
already done (twice, even)--Victor falk 23:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your choice was probably best; good edit summary, too. The original text described all such works as utopian, which is a silly way to describe something like Suzy McKee Charnas' Holdfast Chronicles! (Have you met her? Great woman; always a hoot to see at WisCon!) I was just trying to make the article more accurate. --Orange Mike 15:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the edit before yours but was just reacting to general use of word. Second time I've used that "all" argument to delete something POV. It works :-) Love to watch scifi but don't read it much - or anything much off line. But definitely into separatism of all varieties. Http://secession.net is my site. Carol Moore 18:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

She writes science fiction, not scifi. --Orange Mike 18:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dang the scifi channel for ruining the lingo! Carol Moore 18:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc
Remember, those are people who think wrestling and "psychics" are 'sci-fi'! The channel had some small promise at first, but is nowadays mostly an embarassment. --Orange Mike 19:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Decentralism

I have not forgotten about the McClaughry article, trust me. I may just throw together something, as a stub, as a placeholder for now. Yet another project to be expanded and improved later. I wondered if you were the "same" Carol Moore, 'cause the possibility of two people with the same interests and the same name seemed remote. I read your newsletter---possibly picked up copies at the Green Congress in Eugene, Oregon in '89, or may have been shown copies by David Haenke (let's see if he has an article) at one of the bioregional congresses. My abiding passion, even after all these years, is still for the Ralph Borsodi/Dorothy Day/Paul Goodman vision, and I will always be a decentralist. It is good to know you. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 00:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I remember meeting David once I think in S.F. at some such conference. oticed he ran for Gov of NY(?) as Green recently. Yes, it seems activists took decentralism a lot more seriously 20-25 years ago! Then there were those damn Clinton go-go years! And then came the black bloc anarchists and all they want to do is smash stuff. But Bush has helped bring more of us back to fundamentals!
Carol Moore 02:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

Male infanticide

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Male infanticide, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. Mdbrownmsw 17:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV Conflict on Definition of Violence

Saw on Wikipedia:Editor_assistance you help with Wikipedia:Five Pillars and conflict resolution. Anyway, I like your approach and links!!

As you can see in entries #11 and #12 in Talk:Violence this person "Talonx" (who is not registered and frequently forgets to sign talk posts) wants what I believe to be a narrow POV definition of violence which makes smashing and burning property and accidentally harming people NOT violence.

I've been a little accusatory because as a peace activist I've had to put up with these excuses for violence from black bloc types since year 2000. (His reference to Emma Goldman puts him in that category; I'm an anarchist pacifist myself). Anyway, if I re-write the definition to reflect a wider range of views, I'm sure he'll revert the entry AGAIN to his narrower view, and I don't want to get in a revert war. Note that old Talk pages show he has done this before in the past and been reverted by others. So I think he's here to stay trying to make that POV definition of violence the WIKI definition.

No one else on that talk page is opining right now, though Friday I did invite people from the more active Terrorism page to do so since that page links to violence a lot. We'll see if there's any response. Meanwhile, advice on what to do welcome. Also, make it clear what page I might respond on -- I guess the one you reply to me on? Carol Moore 03:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

I made several (hopefully helpful) comments there. If you have any further thoughts or questions, feeel free to ask. For now, I'll be keeping your talk page, and that talk page on my watchlist. Hope you're having a great day : ) - jc37 12:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to Know When Page Removal/Redirection is Vandalism?

Carol, I think Wikipedia talk:Vandalism is not a good place to post your message, because it states up front that "This is not the page for reporting vandalism", and instead it advises to: "* Report any other incidents at the incidents noticeboard". You may want to move your message to the incidents noticeboard, because - I think - nobody will respond to it at Wikipedia talk:Vandalism, since it seems to be misplaced. Deleting it from Wikipedia talk:Vandalism will also be beneficiary to WP:VANDALISM, since its talk page is dedicated only to the vandalism's "theory", and not to its application (instances). Sincerely, Eugene -70.18.5.219 03:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will do as you recommend. I posted it there more because I was interested in possible future incidents. But I guess your advice would apply to those too, in situations where it does not seem that process was followed.

Carol MooreUser:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

Carol, I understood it; my proposal over there - preceding yours - was posted for the same reason. But, it seems that Wikipedia talk:Vandalism collects rather proposal of solutions to problems (than problem notices themselves), and only those particularly pertaining to the "theory" of vandalism. Sneaky vandals have bothered me too, in particular those, who seep through the system unpunished damaging others' (including mine) contributions by pretending acting in good-faith. So, I posted the proposal over there to strengthen the "vandalism" definition (in part pertaining to "deliberate" and "good-faith effort") allowing to hunt them down or just as a deterrent with a benefit to everyone. If you can think about a particular solution to the problem you encountered, it will be beneficiary to post it too. -Eugene70.18.5.219 18:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am facing the problem today with someone actually deleting all the evidence I provide of a controversial point opposed by citizens of a foreign nation and then putting in [citation needed]. Also claimed POV.

Someone else who may or may not have the same bias then chimed in with original research and Synthesis. Luckily, most of points I make were made by a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter in a best selling book so I just have to go back and make my case better. At least in my case I know what is going on, got very specific statements of why changes made and it's not just vandals having fun and giving no credible reasons. However, the latter usually is easier to revert.

I don't know if stricter rules are necessary. But I do know it's necessary to know the wiki lingo to defend your points - and be willing to strengthen you edits if there are reasonable sounding objections made.

The one thing I would like to see is an archive of articles deleted kept for a few weeks so we can find out who did what and why. When they just disappear for no reason or one missed the reason it happened so fast, it's a problem. I keep complete wiki html copies of articles I've made significant changes to and now see that is very useful if want to contest a mysterious deletion like that one. Carol Moore 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

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