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==Editor Assistance Question on Possible Deletion of several articles==
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[[Neolibertarian]] - [[Right-libertarian]] -- [[Left-Rothbardianism]] - [[Libertarian center]] - [[Libertarian progressivism]] - [[Mainstream libertarianism]] - [[Thick and thin libertarianism]].


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These articles really annoy me because IMHO they are:
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* Articles [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|which cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources]], including ''especially'' [[Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms|neologisms]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research|original theories and conclusions]]
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* BLP issues since they claim various individuals are part of their faction without providing evidence
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Basically one or a small group of people have created these phrases, use them in their small circles, and then put up articles to advertise and promote their ideas.


Hi, Carolmooredc.
It's probably not very libertarian to want to delete them, but is it wikipedian? I need another opinion for my peace of mind and advise on how to proceed with most dubious articles, i.e., one by one or all at once? Carol Moore 18:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to [[WP:NOTSUICIDE|Assume Good Faith]], and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect.
Regards, —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
::Ha, ha, enjoy. —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


== Feminists Engage Wikipedia ==
:Carol, I agree, they all seem to be neologisms. If you attack Right-libertarian, I would also plan to go after [[Left-libertarian]] or explain why not. Neolibertarian looks like nothing but a definition and Mainstream libertarianism has no cites; I would particularly support the idea that they should be deleted. I probably won't be around to participate, and who knows the discussion might change my mind (or yours) but I don't think it's unreasonable to nominate some or all of these for deletion (curious, how did you happen to ask me?)--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]<sup>([[User talk:Doug|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]])</sup> 18:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC).


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::Thanks for comments. I found someone who got rid of [[Left-Rothbardianism]] so will be interested in his comments as well. I asked because you were listed in editor assistance as someone who knew a lot about deletions. Carol Moore 23:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! [[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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:Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


==Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors==
==Libertarianism==
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Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.<br><center><small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center>
<small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small>
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== Your return is eagerly awaited !!!! ==
I just wanted to thank you for your recent changes. Somehow over the course of time, it seems that we've both come to some agreement on things as I really like your new input into the page. [[User:Notque|q]] ([[User talk:Notque|talk]]) 20:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. Taking a break but have a lot more want to do. But be warned I'm only going to put in lefty stuff that seems solid and uncontroversial to me since, as said before, I don't have energy to defend more controversial stuff. That will be your job :-) Carol Moore 20:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
:Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... {{Smiley}} <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


::Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Carol, Neolibertarianism. To me this sounds like neoconservatism. To impose one's ideology using the gouvernment is not Libertarianism at all. I agree that they're are different degrees of libertarianism but this one is hidden neoconservatism wanting to call itself something else. [[Special:Contributions/198.103.223.52|198.103.223.52]] ([[User talk:198.103.223.52|talk]]) 20:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC) Steven


:It's not quite that bad, but really a variety of libertarian conservatism and i'd prefer to just redirect it there, but they guys promoting it already put up a fuss. So the only thing I could do was cut out all the unsourced material that was clogging up the article. It already was discussed for deletion once and the supporters stopped it. Carol Moore 22:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
:::Hmmm, gives me ''yet another idea''. A quickie video like on [[Talking Dead]] with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


== afd's ==
== A barnstar for you! ==


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i noted in two places you had engaged in a discussion on the talk page about whether an article should be deleted. if you think an article should be deleted and you think it meets the criteria, which both articles did. please just nominate it for deletion. --[[User:Buridan|Buridan]] ([[User talk:Buridan|talk]]) 10:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. [[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==
:While I have done so in the past, in these cases I had a feeling there were people who are part of a tiny faction who would come out of the woodwork to defend the article and it was better to give them notice and have them work on it there, than to do an AfD and have them spring up there. I had noticed it on one article which I think needs deletion but wasn't deleted 3 years ago because such partisans sprang up. But if the better way is to just go for it, I guess I will! In next few days. Carol Moore 12:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]


Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.
== Various perspectives on revolution ==


I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. [[User:Ca2james|Ca2james]] ([[User talk:Ca2james|talk]]) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Did you notice that the WP:OR poorly sourced article "Anarcho-capitalist perspectives on violent revolution" had been changed to "Libertarians perspectives on revolution" which was written well-within wikipedia policies?
I just forgot to keep the html of the final version or I would remake that second article as "Libertarian perspectives on revolution" (without the "s"). If you would give me the latest html, I will do so.
Otherwise I'm going to have to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review contest it here]. Thanks. Carol in dc Carol Moore 17:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
:Thank you for your message. In future, please [[WP:SIG|sign your messages]] by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.
:While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my [[User talk:Stifle/wizard|message wizard]]. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
:I have restored [[Anarcho-capitalist perspectives on revolution]]. Please move it to whichever title you have decided you want it at. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle/wizard|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


:Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
== Sommers article ==


== A pie for you! ==
Carolmooredc: please do not change the Sommers article to read, 'Hoff Sommers criticizes what she considers politically correct trends within feminism, while others consider her to be antifeminist.' ''Critics'' is the accurate term to use here, not ''others''. I'm going to change this back in the reasonably near future, since I don't consider your change appropriate. In fact, since this wording implies that ''everyone'', except for Sommers herself, regards her as an anti-feminist, I consider it flagrant BLP violation. [[User:Skoojal|Skoojal]] ([[User talk:Skoojal|talk]]) 21:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


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:I made an imprecise attempt to get rid of the redundant use of the word critic. I should have used a thesaurus and will do so now. Carol Moore 21:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --[[User:Demiurge1000|Demiurge1000]] ([[User_talk:Demiurge1000|talk]]) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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*Mucho gracias, senor naughty! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:: One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


== Inappropriate language ==
== Kitten ==


Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.
Carolmooredc: you recently made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christina_Hoff_Sommers&diff=next&oldid=240346427 an edit] that introduced this sentence to the article on Christina Hoff Sommers: "Hoff bemoans the fact that "conservative scholars have effectively been marginalized, silenced, and rendered invisible on most campuses."


I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
This kind of language is completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Don't refer to Sommers as "Hoff", and in addition, don't use words like "bemoans" if you can help it. It makes Sommers's perfectly rational criticisms sound like emotional whining, and though it may not quite amount to BLP violation, it's definitely inappropriate. [[User:Skoojal|Skoojal]] ([[User talk:Skoojal|talk]]) 03:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


:Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
: Please cool down. It was late and I wasn't as careful as I should have been. Carol Moore 17:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]


== Sexism on Wikipedia ==
== Kitten (2) ==


I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --[[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello Carol! I responded to your comment on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gender_Studies/Feminism_Task_Force]] about sexism on Wikipedia. I have to say that I have not experienced any sexism here on Wikipedia. The survey sounds like a good idea. What have you been attacked for? (If I may ask, that is.) --[[User:Grrrlriot|<font color="00FF00">Grrrlriot</font>]] ([[User talk:Grrrlriot|♠]] [[User:Grrrlriot/Guestbook|♣]] [[User:Grrrlriot/In_many_languages|♦]] [[Portal:Feminism|♥]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gender_Studies/Feminism_Task_Force|†]]) 18:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== Good luck ==
::Of course, one issue is that I do edit on political topics where people are more likely to be contentious, and where there tend not to be too many women at all, so that obviously is a factor. The guy is already in a bad mood that someone comes up with WP:RS sources disagreeing with his viewpoint - and then it turns out to be a female! Usually one is accused of having the most obnoxious view of the most extremist people who might have somewhat similar views, and various pejorative phrases or accusations often are thrown in. Being a libertarian, I've gotten it from both left and right! So maybe this would have to be a survey regarding if more women experience WP:Attack if they appear to be on some specific side of contentious topics. Of course, condescension can be another problem, but that's subjective and not wiki-illegal :-) Looking at my contributions I can probably find several recent examples, and some from past editing issues. But I think the general issue is what matters. Carol Moore 19:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]'''
Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Carolmooredc&diff=635477114&oldid=635462158 Tarc's remark]. I look forward to your return. -- [[User:C1cada|C1cada]] ([[User talk:C1cada|talk]]) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Your right, the general issue is what matters. I agree, It could be a survey is more women experience [[WP:ATTACK]]. Also, I wanted to say that I took a look at your userpage and went to your website. I just wanted to let you know that I bookmarked your website on delicious. :) --[[User:Grrrlriot|<font color="00FF00">Grrrlriot</font>]] ([[User talk:Grrrlriot|♠]] [[User:Grrrlriot/Guestbook|♣]] [[User:Grrrlriot/In_many_languages|♦]] [[Portal:Feminism|♥]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gender_Studies/Feminism_Task_Force|†]]) 19:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html]--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*:Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FInteractions_at_GGTF_closed]]. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


:Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at [[list of Wikipedia controversies]]. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
== CRA article ==

Hi, Carol. I see you have been heavily involved in editing the CRA article and wanted to pass this link on to you to give you a good idea of how much people are lying to cover the Dems' tracks. Scary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

[[User:Interestedsister|Interestedsister]] ([[User talk:Interestedsister|talk]]) 20:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

:No doubt about it. But Bush/the Republicans bear responsibility too for being busy warring to clean up the economic mess. Both sides have big contributors to candidates calling the shots. At least the calls to congress are stopping are rush to bail out the rich cronies. What the article needs is some good statistics and analysis showing better percentage role of this agency's work versus all the other regulatory provisions in causing this. Carol Moore 21:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]

== Hey Ms Carol ==
I am an editor here too. Hope all is well. If you could, you should check out [[Nassim Nicholas Taleb|Nassim's]] page. He's an "[[epistemological libertarian]]" metaphysically speaking ([[Libertarianism (metaphysics)]]). I hope all is well and hang in there with the CRA thing. If you need help. You know what to do..
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 20:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

:Hi. I've noticed you editing there. Frankly, I'm not that familiar with any of the sources or arguments there. Just like the idea of free will as being the basis of the cosmos! But haven't found any reliable resources saying it ;-) Maybe Nassim does?? Carol Moore 20:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]

Well [[epistemology]] is all about reliable sources. Heres the absolute best primer you could possibly ever use. [[Dostoevsky]]! [http://www.authorama.com/notes-from-the-underground-9.html] The basis of the Universe is randomness ([[stochastics]]) and order or logic. This is Byzantine. [[Notes from Underground]] is the absolute best as is [[The Possessed (novel)|Demons]]. And yes you can use randomness, you only need to flip a coin and you are there. Here is the completion of what Dostoevsky opposed with his art -[[We (novel)]]. This is [[Zamyatin]]'s devotional to Dostoevsky. I think you might relate to the message of it abit.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 18:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

::Hey is a very funny term in Russian that [[Gogol]] was fond of- [[poshlust]]. Here is a definition of it as a baser human instinct. "Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, so that nothing but bubbles of bliss can be seen on the surface; give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself—as though that were so necessary— that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar."
Good Luck Ms Carol God Bless you. BTW Poshlust is countered by sobornost.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 18:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the [[psychedelic]] message. I'll have to meditate on it :-) Carol Moore 19:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]

Groovey!
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 19:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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::PS I was wondring what you thought of [[Zahi Hawass]], and or [[Mary Lefkowitz]]? If you get time. [[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 12:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


::FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media| Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits]]. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment ''after'' Arbcom voted to ban me.) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Patience. my mind is on economic freedom this week and not ready to make a shift to metaphysical freedom :-) Carol Moore 15:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]
I'll be cool. I am just watching out for riff raff. You are a respectiable one (the modern [[Laura Ingalls Wilder]]) and I am making myself available Ms Carol. If you need any help contact me though.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 16:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


== You haven't been forgotten ==
::::Nag me next week :-) Meanwhile you know about this? [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Libertarianism]] Not doing much now but soon I may list the worst libertarian articles that need sourcing. I'm a whip mistress on [[WP:RS]] when I get interested in an article, assuming I know something about it and online sources easily accessible. Esp. if I do not like what is currently in the article :-) I've gotten about 10 crappy libertarian articles deleted or re-directed to more solid articles. Carol Moore 16:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]
This member of [[WP:RETENTION]], hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
:Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( [[Special:Contributions/91.125.81.13|91.125.81.13]] ([[User talk:91.125.81.13|talk]]) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Carol. <b><font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font></b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh yeah. And now in the election cycle eveything is a pain. Hang in there your a saint and much appreciated. I am working to try and develope an article on epistemological libertarianism. But I think it wont last the deletion insanity on here. As for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Libertarianism]] again I keep getting edit warred off of libertarian (metaphysics) and the Free will article. These are the ones that I was trying to work on for the project. Free will might need an WP:Office so, ugly ugly ugly. God Bless you Ms Carol.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 16:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
PS you could invite me to the Project though. (I know how Barney of me, be my friend and all).<br><br>
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 16:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
== BLP question ==


:Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Who's the subject in question? I can't figure it out from the M.I. article. (BTW, I certainly think "market-oriented conservative" is about right.) --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 19:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


== Shooting of Al Hallaq ==
:I didn't want to complicate things too much. Husock is currently described as both in the [[Community Reinvestment Act]] article opinions section but I am going to mention some factoids from his book in the upper section and that's where I think I'll have a problem with the other editor, since he already opined in reliable sources noticeboard discussion he only should be described as conservative. Hot controversial topic right now. I'll put that on blp page if it will help, rather than confuse things. Carol Moore 19:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]


I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at [[Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq]]. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.
:Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


==Limited editing rights==
== subprime crisis timeline ==
I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_Global_Strike Prompt Global Strike] Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
:Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
::Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Cool! <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Carol, I tried to put in a reference to the NYT to an edit to the timeline but for some reason I don't understand it didn't come out right. The insert was for 28 April 2004, on the net capital rule change. Reference is NYT, The Reckoning, Agency's 04 rule let banks pile up new debt, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/business/03sec.html I thought I got all the code right but apparently missed something. Since Hank Paulsen led this initiative while then heading up Goldman Sachs, it really needs to be in this timeline. (A real contribution by the way, thanks to you and everyone else who contributed!) Sorry to ask for help, but I usually only look at Hong Kong related stuff on wikipedia and seldom make a contribution even there except when something glaring is wrong or missing. [[Special:Contributions/219.73.27.78|219.73.27.78]] ([[User talk:219.73.27.78|talk]]) 06:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Michael DeGolyer, HKBU professor pol economy, degolyer@hkbu.edu.hk[[Special:Contributions/219.73.27.78|219.73.27.78]] ([[User talk:219.73.27.78|talk]]) 06:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


:Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
:Looks like you got it in ok. Carol Moore 12:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]

Latest revision as of 14:04, 30 January 2023

Green Box Links to Barnstars, Archives, Other Stuff (click "show" --->)

ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!
I'll be back.
Too busy to appeal my BAN FROM EDITING for reasons described HERE. ("Evidence" here.) Remember:

WELL-BEHAVED WOMEN SELDOM MAKE HISTORY!!!
This user wants to see everything in its place.




Last of the Mohicans[edit]

The Working Man's Barnstar
For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the Gender Gap Task Force or the GGTF ArbCom case.

Hi, Carolmooredc. I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to Assume Good Faith, and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, ha, enjoy. —Neotarf (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feminists Engage Wikipedia[edit]

The Feminists Engage Wikipedia Award!
If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! Djembayz (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors[edit]

Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.

Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.

Your return is eagerly awaited !!!![edit]

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, gives me yet another idea. A quickie video like on Talking Dead with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Special Barnstar
Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. Ca2james (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A pie for you![edit]

Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --GRuban (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten[edit]

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten (2)[edit]

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck[edit]

Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with Tarc's remark. I look forward to your return. -- C1cada (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. Sadads (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at list of Wikipedia controversies. Tarc (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment after Arbcom voted to ban me.) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't been forgotten[edit]

This member of WP:RETENTION, hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( 91.125.81.13 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carol. North8000 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? -- (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting of Al Hallaq[edit]

I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.

Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Limited editing rights[edit]

I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Prompt Global Strike Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us?  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cool! North8000 (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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