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<big>ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!</big><br>''[[I'll be back]].''<br> Too busy to appeal my '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF#Carolmooredc_banned BAN FROM EDITING]''' for reasons described '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF/Proposed_decision#Carolmooredc HERE]'''. ("Evidence" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF/Evidence here].) Remember:<br><br> |
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Hi. Good job on the Jewish Lobby article! It has been a disaster for a long time now, to the extent that I find it hard to assume good faith on the editors behind it, but I think that now it is looking fairly balanced. Good work! (I'm not editing much these days due to real life activities, but I check in some times to see what is going on). [[User:Pertn|pertn]] ([[User talk:Pertn|talk]]) 11:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Hi, Carolmooredc. |
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:Sometimes you gotta take a stand and hang in there - esp. since the old POV article could be used to ruin innocent people's lives! Carol Moore 16:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to [[WP:NOTSUICIDE|Assume Good Faith]], and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. |
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Regards, —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
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::Ha, ha, enjoy. —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
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== Feminists Engage Wikipedia == |
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::Sorry about going astray on the mediation page. I think the improvements on this article are huge. One of the main problems with the whole "is JL a antisemitic slur" debate is that WP's OR policy often makes it hard include facts so obvious that few RS comment on it. A problem now (still in my opinion, I have got to quit this!) is that the discourse on whether it is antisemitic or not is dominated by the pro's. The obvious opposite is not that it is not antisemitic, but that one can not assume there to be antisemitic motives in a phrase (itself) that may really refer to specific entities that do exist, e.g. lobby groups representing Jewish interests. I suppose only few RSes would bother to write this, and thus the article would become imbalanced. Due to OR policy, trying to show that it is used non-antisemiticly by many notables, will not do. I think one should try to urge more neutral editors to look at it. I agree that what is in the article should be based on RSes, but in this case I have a feeling that the OR of recognizing what is the common usage of the term should inform what RSes one includes. [[User:Pertn|pertn]] ([[User talk:Pertn|talk]]) 07:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for comments. This actually is a good article for learning wiki policy since it's such an excellent example of the frustrating points you made. But if we just keep searching we do find refs that work. You can see how freaked some people get when we come up with a linguist willing to link a couple of the phrases that are used interchangeably. :-) I just am trying to get happy with progress so I can focus more on other things, but hate to see wikipedia used to smear people! Carol Moore 02:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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::::Hi. I was reading around, and stumbled over a quite interesting dispute in NY Times. You have probably seen it already, but in case you haven't, it may be interesting with regards to the issue with Mearsheimer and Walt and the term Jewish Lobby. [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905E1D9163CF937A25753C1A9619C8B63] which is a reply to Leslie Gelb's article [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/books/review/Gelb-t.html?_r=3&8br&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin] where he consequently uses JL instead of IL in the review of M&W's book. Interesting, but I suppose you have already seen it. If not, I hope it may be to some help with balancing the article. Cheers. [[User:Pertn|pertn]] ([[User talk:Pertn|talk]]) 20:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Actually Jayjg had put in the part where they deny using the phrase - conveniently leaving out why they felt compelled tosay something about it. He did same thing with a WashPost quote. Brought that up yesterday. Carol Moore 23:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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::::::"Why they felt comelled to say something about it" wasn't particularly relevant to and article about the term "Jewish lobby" - though, of course, it might be important to those with a political agenda who felt they had to push that agenda on Wikipedia. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 01:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Sure it is, if people are trying to say that only antisemites use it when actually mainstream and Jewish sources use it, as W&M say - but you do not want in article. [[WP:idontlikeit]] Carol Moore 02:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.<br><center><small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center> |
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<small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small> |
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Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Carol, I saw you are involved with the discussion regarding the resolution of conflict on the Jewish lobby article, so I've left a note in relation to my full protection of the page on the talk page of the mediation page, located [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/Jewish_lobby#Full-protection_of_Jewish_lobby|here]]. Thank you for your time. Regards, [[User:Rudget|<span style="color:#801818;font-weight:bold">Rudget</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rudget|.]] 17:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... {{Smiley}} <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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::Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Of course, the mediation could go on for ever. Meanwhile how do we get new quotes in there if they pass mediation? Email you? Carol Moore 17:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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:::Hmmm, gives me ''yet another idea''. A quickie video like on [[Talking Dead]] with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Carol, don't be surprised; I moved your question and my answer to your question re: early usage of the phrase to the Entymology section you added at the end. My answer was that G-Dett is the one who says she has a 1921 usage; the oldest I found was the 1959 usage cited in the OED. Cheers, [[User:Jgui|Jgui]] ([[User talk:Jgui|talk]]) 19:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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==Any articles featuring false charges antisemitism?== |
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Noticed the discussion here [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Antisemitism]] and that your suggested changes not made. All such mentions also kicked out of [[Jewish Lobby]] by regular suspects. Given all the "See Alsos" under antsemitism it almost seems the subject could get its own article, though obviously there would be a big brouhaha. Carol Moore 11:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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: I guess so. There is a huge [[WP:OWN]]ership issue over at the [[Antisemitism]] article. I jutst can't be bothered fighting over it. It just isn't worth the effort. No amount of sources can convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. // [[User:Liftarn|Liftarn]] ([[User talk:Liftarn|talk]]) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. [[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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== Thanks == |
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That image is inappropriate for the article on [[:Jeri Ryan]]. Please see [[WP:IUP]] and [[WP:FUC]]. Thanks. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 02:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them. |
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== RS Noticeboard == |
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I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. [[User:Ca2james|Ca2james]] ([[User talk:Ca2james|talk]]) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Carol, regarding your second question I think it would be good if we had more detail about the source and the content in question. Thanks.[[User:PelleSmith|PelleSmith]] ([[User talk:PelleSmith|talk]]) 16:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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You suggested on the JL mediation page that "this should be given a time limit like one week for discussion and mediation ends". Personally, I think this is a very bad idea. Arbitrary time limits do not allow a full discussion; especially for those editors (like myself) that can only edit occasionally. I hope you will reconsider the benefits of such an approach. Thanks, [[User:Jgui|Jgui]] ([[User talk:Jgui|talk]]) 14:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --[[User:Demiurge1000|Demiurge1000]] ([[User_talk:Demiurge1000|talk]]) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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*Mucho gracias, senor naughty! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:: One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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== Kitten == |
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:Carol, I know it is frustrating, and I know we seem to stating our case into a vacuum. But I also think we have made a great deal of progress in mediation, although it may not be obvious. And I warn you that it is a very bad idea to walk away from mediation, since it is used to claim that parties were not being sincere in mediation - it will hurt your editing career at WP as well as the case to improve the article. I know you have not walked away from the mediation - you have only expressed your frustration with the process - so I hope you will come back and clarify that, and make it clear that you want to continue as long as there is the possibility of making progress. Feel free to email me if you wish. Thank you, [[User:Jgui|Jgui]] ([[User talk:Jgui|talk]]) 05:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something. |
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I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Hi Carolmooredc!'''<br /> |
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We thank you for uploading [[:Image:Breakdownnationscover.jpg]], but there is a problem. Your image is currently missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyright]] very seriously. Unless you can help by adding a [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags|copyright tag]], it may be [[WP:DELETE|deleted]] by an [[WP:ADMIN|Administrator]]. If you know this information, then we urge you to add a '''[[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags|copyright tag]]''' to the [[Help:Image page|image description page]]. We apologize for this, but all images must confirm to policy on Wikipedia. |
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:Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|media copyright questions page]]. Thanks so much for your cooperation.<br /><small>This message is from a [[WP:BOT|robot]].</small> --[[User:John Bot III|John Bot III]] ([[User talk:John Bot III|talk]]) 15:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --[[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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As has been mentioned before, mediation is a confidential process. As such, it is not appropriate for you to copy comments from it to an admin noticeboard. I have deleted the comments you copied. Thanks for understanding. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">[[User:Shell_Kinney|Shell]] <sup>[[User_talk:Shell_Kinney|babelfish]]</sup></font> 05:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Carolmooredc&diff=635477114&oldid=635462158 Tarc's remark]. I look forward to your return. -- [[User:C1cada|C1cada]] ([[User talk:C1cada|talk]]) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC) |
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*Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html]--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC) |
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*:Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FInteractions_at_GGTF_closed]]. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at [[list of Wikipedia controversies]]. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC) |
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I've created a new mediation page so that we can try this again, hopefully with a better result. If you wish to join, please sign [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Jewish_lobby_2#Parties.27_agreement_to_mediate|here]]. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 01:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media| Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits]]. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment ''after'' Arbcom voted to ban me.) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == |
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== You haven't been forgotten == |
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If you're the Carol Moore listed at [http://www.meetup.com/members/970135/ this page], please consider coming to the May meet-up. And if you are that person, even if you can't make the meeting, would you do us a huge favor by letting the others who [http://wikipedia.meetup.com/cities/us/dc/washington/ indicated an interest, via meetup.com, in such a meeting], also know about the May meet-up? -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] </font> [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 20:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC) |
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This member of [[WP:RETENTION]], hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC) |
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:Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC) |
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::I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( [[Special:Contributions/91.125.81.13|91.125.81.13]] ([[User talk:91.125.81.13|talk]]) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Hi Carol. <b><font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font></b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC) |
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== Vote requested on the Jewish lobby mediation page == |
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Carol, you just left a comment, but didn't vote on the latest proposed agreement. I voted in favor; could you please add your vote there as well? Thank you very much, [[User:Jgui|Jgui]] ([[User talk:Jgui|talk]]) 16:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Gilad Atzmon]] and BLP reliable sources == |
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:Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Shooting of Al Hallaq == |
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I have responded to your comments at [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Gilad_Atzmon_allegations_WP:RS?]]. I only discovered this by chance, and I think it would have been courteous to notify me of this. I certainly don't want to get into a dispute with you; I have generally agreed with your edits. But on this article, and a few others, I clearly have a somewhat different approach. However, as I believe you can see from the edit history and talk page, I have attempted (despite severe provocations) to edit the article carefully and cooperatively, and have indeed often acted to delete egregious attacks on Atzmon or restore comments by him and his supporters.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilad_Atzmon&diff=204896066&oldid=204847191] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilad_Atzmon&diff=198917018&oldid=198915906] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilad_Atzmon&diff=179203745&oldid=179202605] My interest is in maintaining an encyclopaedic article, which includes both Atzmon's own views and criticism of these, without any descent into abuse and name-calling. |
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I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at [[Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq]]. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you. |
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But there is a difficulty, since much of the material -- both for and against Atzmon -- is self-published, and found on weblogs and other "unreliable" sources. This includes much which I would like to include, but have refrained from so doing in order to use only acceptable sources. There is also material (including personal attacks on me and others) which I would prefer not to link to on Wikipedia. However, if you are interested in discussing this further, you are welcome to email me via my talk page. [[User:RolandR|RolandR]] ([[User talk:RolandR|talk]]) 08:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC) |
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==Limited editing rights== |
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:I replied there saying: ''I brought it here for a quick opinion because a) the [[WP:BLP]] rule seems to be when it doubt on libel or sources, cut it out; b) having brought more reliable leftie sources to RS noticeboard and seen them trashed by some (not most) editors, not sure how they would fair on RS noticeboard; c) knowing Atzmon does aggressively go after those he feels smear him for corrections or replies; d) knowing Wikipedia currently being [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1946275/Wikipedia-fights-defamation-lawsuit.html sued for defamation], I thought it prudent to bring it here for defintive answer as opposed to talk page where would have to bother with possible partisan bickering. Or maybe I should go straight to [[Wikipedia:Dispute#Turn_to_others_for_help help]].'' Carol Moore 12:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_Global_Strike Prompt Global Strike] Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Cool! <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== My Background so you can evaluate my changes to Libertarianism == |
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:Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello Carol, i appreciate your assistance with the Libertarianism article. |
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I wanted to let you know a little bit of my background so you can evaluate what I am saying. I have studied Libertarianism for years, and attend meetings of both groups monthly. (Both call themselves Libertarians in the U.S.) |
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I can direct you to books that can explain the whole history of both movements if you'd like. Books that include both movements in it's analysis. There are actually more than 2 Libertarian movements, but I was keeping to two to start. |
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There were actually multiple movements within the original libertarianism. There was a Statist branch, and a non statist branch. |
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That's a critical topic that should be discussed. Just like there's a statist, and a non statist branch in the new incarnation of "Libertarianism". |
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I can elaborate more with specific citations on any topic you wish. I have added input towards your sandbox version on the Libertarian talk page. Please look over it. |
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I'd also ask you to please not treat me combatively. I can understand with the changes why you would become combative, but I would appreciate a good faith understanding with working together. |
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Thank you. [[User:Notque|q]] ([[User talk:Notque|talk]]) 17:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Don't take combativeness personally. A) See talk where this has been discussed ad nauseam B) See fact that mainstream sources have to be quoted in wiki articles and you can't base your whole point on minor sources claiming THEIR definition is the right one. Please study [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/Policies_and_guidelines wiki policies] C) There are a lot of wacky right wing libertarian views being presented that I'm also going to go after for poor sourcing. :-) It is frustrating that real right wingers trying to take over the libertarian party this weekend, so in an unusually bad mood. But hopefully they'll lose. Plus i'm focusing on secession now a days anyways. http://secession.net Carol Moore 17:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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::I do not take it personally. My concern is that the majority of editors are more concerned with keeping Libertarianism as just theirs, and ignoring the history of it. This concern is bore out of an article which pretends that the history doesn't exist, and keeps it to a small section. Further, the majority of the world considers Libertarianism the original one, and not the U.S. version. This makes the ignorance of it entirely particularly galling from a simple intellectual stand point. [[User:Notque|q]] ([[User talk:Notque|talk]]) 17:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::In general, people aren't too interested in lengthy dissertations on OLD definitions of words. The solution remains such reliably sourced info people can't object, except on NPOV and balance issues. Carol Moore 18:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]] |
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::::What do you think of my last well referenced edits? [[User:Notque|q]] ([[User talk:Notque|talk]]) 21:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 14:04, 30 January 2023
Green Box Links to Barnstars, Archives, Other Stuff (click "show" --->)
 ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!! |
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Last of the Mohicans[edit]
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The Working Man's Barnstar |
| For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the Gender Gap Task Force or the GGTF ArbCom case. |
Hi, Carolmooredc. I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to Assume Good Faith, and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Feminists Engage Wikipedia[edit]
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The Feminists Engage Wikipedia Award! |
| If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! Djembayz (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
- Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors[edit]
Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.
Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.
Your return is eagerly awaited !!!![edit]
Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right...
Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hmmm, gives me yet another idea. A quickie video like on Talking Dead with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you![edit]
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| Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. Fæ (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
Thanks[edit]
Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.
I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. Ca2james (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
A pie for you![edit]
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Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
- Mucho gracias, senor naughty! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Kitten[edit]
Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.
I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Kitten (2)[edit]
I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Good luck[edit]
Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with Tarc's remark. I look forward to your return. -- C1cada (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. Sadads (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. [1]--Milowent • hasspoken 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FInteractions_at_GGTF_closed. --Fæ (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at list of Wikipedia controversies. Tarc (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment after Arbcom voted to ban me.) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
You haven't been forgotten[edit]
This member of WP:RETENTION, hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( 91.125.81.13 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Carol. North8000 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --Fæ (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Shooting of Al Hallaq[edit]
I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.
- Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Limited editing rights[edit]
I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Prompt Global Strike Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Cool! North8000 (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)