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<big>ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!</big><br>''[[I'll be back]].''<br> Too busy to appeal my '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF#Carolmooredc_banned BAN FROM EDITING]''' for reasons described '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF/Proposed_decision#Carolmooredc HERE]'''. ("Evidence" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF/Evidence here].) Remember:<br><br>
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== Moving pages ==
== Last of the Mohicans ==


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JoseRodriguez → Jose Jorge Rodriguez … Rationale: I'm too new to move and didn't realize URL and name on top of page were same. Plus want to clearly separate from another Jose Rodriguez in wikipedia. - [[User:Carolmooredc]]
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|style="font-size:1.65em; padding:0; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Working Man's Barnstar'''
:Hi Carol. Yeah I can see you're confusing some different things here. Let me sort this out for you. Hang on a sec...
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|style="border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the [[WP:GGTF|Gender Gap Task Force]] or the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender Gap Task Force|GGTF ArbCom case]].
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Hi, Carolmooredc.
:...OK I've moved the page you created. It's now at [[Jose Jorge Rodriguez]] as it should be. I also created some wiki links (links to various other wikipedia articles) from that page. Maybe you can see some more of these that should added, just to mesh it into wikipedia nicely. You should also create one or two incoming links to this page. If you look here [[Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Jose_Jorge_Rodriguez]], it shows that there are no incoming links (well apart from this discussion page). If you can find an any appropriate article in which Jose Rodriguez could be mentioned (and linked to like this <tt><nowiki>[[Jose Jorge Rodriguez]]</nowiki></tt>), then this will help to mesh things together nicely too. See how that works?
I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to [[WP:NOTSUICIDE|Assume Good Faith]], and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect.
Regards, —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
::Ha, ha, enjoy. —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


== Feminists Engage Wikipedia ==
:There are some other points which are maybe confusing you. Most 'users' (people editing wikipedia) have a user page, prefixed with 'User:'. Only very few wikipedia editors are sufficiently notable, that they have an actual wikipedia article written about them. It's an honour to be chatting to you :-) You have and article [[Carol Moore]] which should be written (and has been written) in a balanced neutral point of view, by many wikipedia editors. You also have a 'user page' [[User:Carolmooredc]] where you're free to write about yourself, as you see fit (if you want). This gets automatically linked to, in page 'history' displays and 'recent changes'. Moving/renaming a user page technically tricky thing to try to do. But the pages [[Carol Moore]] and [[Jose Jorge Rodriguez]] are ''not'' user pages. They are regular wikipedia articles. You can move them yourself, using the 'move' tab at the top.


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:hmmmm hopefully that makes things clearer. Anyway welcome to wikipedia! -- [[User:Nojer2|Nojer2]] 13:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Feminists Engage Wikipedia Award!'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! [[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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:Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


==Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors==
== Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg - higher resolution? ==
[[File:4_Kittens.jpg|left|227px]][[File:Hod.GoniecPomorski-wl.WaldemarFeculak.jpg|right|227px]]
Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.<br><center><small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center>
<small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small>
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== Your return is eagerly awaited !!!! ==
Regarding [[:Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg]], could you upload a higher resolution version of this image? Images can be uploaded to Wikipedia at any resolution (the higher the better), and then can be sized to the proper screen resolution when you link them into the articles. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 01:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:Never mind... I replaced it with one of my own images. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 07:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
:Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... {{Smiley}} <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


::Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
== Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg listed for deletion ==
<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE"> An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Joserodrigueznucleardeath.jpg|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 07:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)<!-- Template:Idw --></div>


:::Hmmm, gives me ''yet another idea''. A quickie video like on [[Talking Dead]] with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
== DOB ==


== A barnstar for you! ==
What is your date of birth? Usually, on articles about people, we include the full DOB next to the name in the first sentence of the article. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 13:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


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:Regarding DOB, that's fine. You're also the first I've hit up about a DOB, and so it's never come up before regarding similar reluctance. You do raise a good point, though. I went ahead and put the birth year at the top, and added the article to [[:Category:Date of birth missing]]. Otherwise, regarding the NPOV tag, it's actually not a lot of stuff that's causing it, and I've been thinking about how to reword those areas. One that I'm particularly trying to reword is the part where it speaks of "wars of aggression". And lastly, I moved the quotes off onto a Wikiquote page. More quotes there = helpful, but we just need to source them. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 09:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Special Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. [[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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== Sources and such ==
== Thanks ==


Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.
First of all, thank you for your contributions of all the links and such. They will be valuable in filling out the article should it survive AFD.


I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. [[User:Ca2james|Ca2james]] ([[User talk:Ca2james|talk]]) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Also, I invite you to read over [[WP:AUTO]], which is a guideline about how people who have articles about them should conduct themselves regarding those articles. I think a large part of the reason that the article about you was submitted for AFD in the first place is because the perception was that you were a major contributor to an article about you, which is strongly discouraged. In other words, that's a bit of a no-no, and I was deficient in not bringing this to your attention sooner. Basically, in most situations, it is considered proper for you to make contributions and suggestions via the article's talk page ([[Talk:Carol Moore]]), and to let others edit the article. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 03:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


:Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
== Deletion of Jose Rodriguez (Activist) ==
Haven't been back lately but was very active today and decided to check Jose Rodriguez (activist) and low and behold looks like sometime in last 6 weeks they decided he wasn't important enough to keep. However, they still have the disambiguation with the OTHER Jose Rodriguez. And they still have the shell of a page entitled Jose Rodriguez (activist). I'm not going to fight for it or anything but am just curious as to whether this was an official dropping of the page; if I can easily find an explanation just to send him; and anything else of interest you might have to say. You may have been watching the page and more on top than I was. Have made some big changes to and important page and will continue to do so, so will be paying more attention in the future :-)


== A pie for you! ==
Carol Moore 05:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC) [[User:carolmooredc|carolmooredc]]


{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
:According to the deletion log, [[Jorge Rodriguez (activist)]] was deleted after a [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion]] was allowed to expire. The article was deleted by [[User:Srikeit|Srikeit]], but I don't know who originally posted the proposed deletion. For that matter, I also don't know what the reason was for the proposed deletion. I have/had the article watchlisted, and I don't even remember the prod nomination going in, and so I should have seen it. I'm considering contesting the prod, which would get the article restored, though it might be subject to an AFD after that. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 06:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --[[User:Demiurge1000|Demiurge1000]] ([[User_talk:Demiurge1000|talk]]) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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*Mucho gracias, senor naughty! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:: One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


== Kitten ==
:I went ahead and listed it on [[WP:DRV|deletion review]], and so the article should be restored soon. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 07:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.
== Jose Rodriguez restored ==
The article on Jose Rodriguez has been restored. The prod reason, now listed in the history, states that Rodriguez's notability was questioned. We now need references to satisfy [[WP:BIO]]. That's the kicker now. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 16:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
After the problems I had with mine almost getting dumped I WAS surprised that it had lasted as long as had. I don't think his most noteable accomplishments are on the web except as noted on his web site. But will throw in a few things and see if that satisfies whomsoever
Carol Moore 21:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC) [[User:carolmooredc|carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:carolmooredc|Talk]])


:Do you know of any third-party references? That's what the article really needs. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 10:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


:Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I have seen the original articles and video tapes referred to but they are too old to be on line. Actually he could put the two news videos on line. And even copies of the articles. For now I guess giving them dates would help, and I actually might be able to find a few, but he's away for couple months so can't check his files. ALSO: note that the business about children's books on Carol Moore entry was the OTHER Carol Moore who rates high on google. Will email that person about that.
Carol Moore 22:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[[User:carolmooredc|carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:carolmooredc|Talk]])


== Kitten (2) ==
== Policy on Trashing People in Discussion Sections?? ==
Someone shared obnoxious opinions about me in the discussion section of a page I had edited, based merely on false accusations. Can one claim POV etc and remove such comments from a discussion section? I'm too annoyed to do a lot of research on Wiki policy on it right now myself. Tomorrow. Meanwhile, for any opinions, THANKS! :-(


I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --[[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Carol Moore 02:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]


== Good luck ==
:May I take a slight leap of faith and say that the page you are referring to is [[Talk:DC Anti-War Network]]? On that page, I've added {{tl|talkheader}} to it, as a reminder that it is a talk page for the article, and not a discussion forum for DAWN. As for the content of the comments there, I don't think there's much you can do except counter it with your own message, which it seems you did. Just please remember - play nicely. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 22:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Carolmooredc&diff=635477114&oldid=635462158 Tarc's remark]. I look forward to your return. -- [[User:C1cada|C1cada]] ([[User talk:C1cada|talk]]) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html]--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*:Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FInteractions_at_GGTF_closed]]. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


:Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at [[list of Wikipedia controversies]]. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for doing that and hopefully whom so ever will take the hint. And I was on my best behavior cause I have lots of pages I want to fix up -- but so little time to do it!! :-)
Carol Moore 02:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]


::FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media| Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits]]. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment ''after'' Arbcom voted to ban me.) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
==License tagging for Image:CarlosLatuff4wikipediause.JPG==
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== You haven't been forgotten ==
For more information on using images, see the following pages:
This member of [[WP:RETENTION]], hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:Image use policy]]
:Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags]]
::I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( [[Special:Contributions/91.125.81.13|91.125.81.13]] ([[User talk:91.125.81.13|talk]]) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Carol. <b><font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font></b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
This is an automated notice by [[User:OrphanBot|OrphanBot]]. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions]]. 02:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
==Bruce Baechelor==
Any chance of your starting an article on [[Bruce Baechelor]]? He's one of several missing notable people on LPedia, and if you started it there (and noted a dual licence or similar in case someone other than you edits it) at http://www.lpedia.org/index.php?title=Bruce_Baechelor you wouldn't need to worry about it getting deleted before his notability can be properly asserted (I'm the ''de facto'' main Sysop there although I don't have bureaucrat access or permission to change the main page). I also haven't succeeded in finding the chain of Texas LP chairs that goes back to him, let alone all the way to 1972.


:Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
You might remember me. I had a beard and a cane (and large bifocals) in Indianapolis in 2002 and spent most of my time with [[George Phillies]] and [[Melinda Pillsbury-Foster]].


== Shooting of Al Hallaq ==
-- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at [[Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq]]. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.
: I can put it on my WIKI do list - which is very long. I assume you saw my memorial page? Feel free to do all that using info from HIS page: http://www.carolmoore.net/bruce/baechler.html
Carol Moore 14:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]
:Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


== Thanks . ==
==Limited editing rights==
I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_Global_Strike Prompt Global Strike] Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
:Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
::Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Cool! <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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There is hope for the Ward Churchill article and its extensions. but it will probably have to go through the entire dispute resolution process before it happens. I am hoping that the disruption stops without an admin deciding to protect it yet again. Your suggestion that everyone should take a deep breath
was definitely worth a try. As for your edit I assume that the others would have been all over it if they disagreed with it. I hate proof reading .
Anyway thanks for your participation thus far. [[User:Albion moonlight|Albion moonlight]] 10:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


:Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
==Your note==
Hey Carol, thanks for the note and the vandal fighting! I had a look, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if it's one person or multiple people, but my guess is that it's either one or just a few, since they haven't made that many edits. If it was like a school IP, they'd have a lot more. Anyway, the way I'd proceed in this case is like with other vandals: give them warnings starting with {{tl|uw-v1}} and proceeding through the levels up to {{tl|uw-v4}} if they keep doing it. After that, you can report them on [[WP:AIV]] for blocking, they generally get dealt with pretty quickly. I'm more of a stickler for giving all the templates than most people are, but it's generally seen as good to make sure they've gotten at least a couple warnings recently before being blocked (unless they're doing something really egregious). Anyway, thanks again for the work, definitely let me know if you need any help or anything. Peace, [[user:delldot|<font color="#990066">delldot</font>]] <small>[[user talk:delldot|<font color="#8B00FF">talk</font>]]</small> 17:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Burr and Hamilton==

I reverted the statement on the cause of the duel because it was nowhere close to to the complete story. With the reference to Hamilton as the "founder of American conservatism" I assumed the whole edit was vandalism. [[User:North Shoreman|Tom (North Shoreman)]] 00:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Israel nukes ==

Really excellent edits to [[Nuclear weapons and Israel]]! I had only scrapped together the little information I could find when I first wrote the article (from Hersh and Cohen), but this makes it incredibly comprehensive. Heck, if someone adds a criticism section it could go FA. [[Samson Option]] also finally got the detail it deserved. Thanks, [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] 23:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! I've been waiting for the bombs to fall on the article but so far so good! A one word alleged POV was deleted which I could have debated, but not that big a deal. As a 30 year anti-nuke activist it's a big issue for me and I had a lot of sources already and found a bunch more for the article. Also made important additions to POLICY section of [[nuclear weapons and Israel]].
:Carol Moore 17:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

== Panarchy and pancracy ==

Hi, I've seen you have edited [[Panarchy]] (and that it's on your user page!). It has been proposed that [[Panocracy]], an [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Panocracy_%282nd_nomination%29|article currently nominated for deletion]], be merged into it. Perhaps you'd like to contribute? --[[User:Victor falk|Victor falk]] 17:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:Frankly, considering that [[panocracy]] has NO references, for all we know this is original research by a couple of writers, something which is not supposed to be done on wikipedia. So unless you can prove that it really is a philosophy known about in wider political circles, I agree it SHOULD be deleted. And I don't think it should be referred to in either article if it's just one or two people's bright idea. When it gets more popularity, sure. I'm also opposed to merging it into [[panarchy]] or [[panarchism]] for that reason.
:Carol Moore 22:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]
::Well it appears that [[pancracy]] and [[panocracy]] and [[panarchy]] and [[nosuchlink|pan>infix of your choice<c(h)y]] are all synonyms, but that panarchy is the preferred term. It seems to me that parts of the content in "panarchy" would fit into "panarchy"... --[[User:Victor falk|Victor falk]] 22:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::If you know something about this topic, please include a comment or 'vote' on the deletion proposal page. Thanks, [[User:Anarchia|Anarchia]] 22:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::::already done (twice, even)--[[User:Victor falk|Victor falk]] 23:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[:Separatist feminism]] ==

Your choice was probably best; good edit summary, too. The original text described '''all''' such works as utopian, which is a silly way to describe something like [[Suzy McKee Charnas]]' Holdfast Chronicles! (Have you met her? Great woman; always a hoot to see at [[:WisCon]]!) I was just trying to make the article more accurate. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] 15:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see the edit before yours but was just reacting to general use of word. Second time I've used that "all" argument to delete something POV. It works :-) Love to watch scifi but don't read it much - or anything much off line. But definitely into separatism of all varieties. Http://secession.net is my site.
Carol Moore 18:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

:She writes science fiction, not [[:skiffy|scifi]]. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] 18:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

::Dang the scifi channel for ruining the lingo! Carol Moore 18:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

:::Remember, those are people who think wrestling and "psychics" are 'sci-fi'! The channel had some small promise at first, but is nowadays mostly an embarassment. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] 19:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Decentralism ==

I have not forgotten about the McClaughry article, trust me. I may just throw together something, as a stub, as a placeholder for now. Yet another project to be expanded and improved later. I wondered if you were the "same" Carol Moore, 'cause the possibility of two people with the same interests and the same name seemed remote. I read your newsletter---possibly picked up copies at the Green Congress in Eugene, Oregon in '89, or may have been shown copies by [[David Haenke]] (let's see if he has an article) at one of the bioregional congresses. My abiding passion, even after all these years, is still for the Ralph Borsodi/Dorothy Day/Paul Goodman vision, and I will always be a decentralist. It is good to know you. Cheers! ---<font face="Celtic">[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 00:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:I remember meeting David once I think in S.F. at some such conference. oticed he ran for Gov of NY(?) as Green recently. Yes, it seems activists took decentralism a lot more seriously 20-25 years ago! Then there were those damn Clinton go-go years! And then came the black bloc anarchists and all they want to do is smash stuff. But Bush has helped bring more of us back to fundamentals!
:Carol Moore 02:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

==Male infanticide==
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==POV Conflict on Definition of Violence==
Saw on [[Wikipedia:Editor_assistance]] you help with [[Wikipedia:Five Pillars]] and conflict resolution. Anyway, I like your approach and links!!

As you can see in entries #11 and #12 in [[Talk:Violence]] this person "Talonx" (who is not registered and frequently forgets to sign talk posts) wants what I believe to be a narrow POV definition of violence which makes smashing and burning property and accidentally harming people NOT violence.

I've been a little accusatory because as a peace activist I've had to put up with these excuses for violence from [[black bloc]] types since year 2000. (His reference to Emma Goldman puts him in that category; I'm an anarchist pacifist myself). Anyway, if I re-write the definition to reflect a wider range of views, I'm sure he'll revert the entry AGAIN to his narrower view, and I don't want to get in a revert war. Note that old Talk pages show he has done this before in the past and been reverted by others. So I think he's here to stay trying to make that POV definition of violence the WIKI definition.

No one else on that talk page is opining right now, though Friday I did invite people from the more active [[Terrorism]] page to do so since that page links to [[violence]] a lot. We'll see if there's any response. Meanwhile, advice on what to do welcome. Also, make it clear what page I might respond on -- I guess the one you reply to me on?
Carol Moore 03:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

:I made several (hopefully helpful) comments there. If you have any further thoughts or questions, feeel free to ask. For now, I'll be keeping your talk page, and that talk page on my watchlist. Hope you're having a great day : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 12:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

== How to Know When Page Removal/Redirection is Vandalism? ==

Carol, I think [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]] is not a good place to post your message, because it states up front that "This is not the page for reporting vandalism", and instead it advises to: "* Report any other incidents at '''[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|the incidents noticeboard]]'''". You may want to move your message to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|the incidents noticeboard]], because - I think - nobody will respond to it at [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]], since it seems to be misplaced. Deleting it from [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]] will also be beneficiary to [[WP:VANDALISM]], since its talk page is dedicated only to the vandalism's "theory", and not to its application (instances). Sincerely, Eugene -[[User:70.18.5.219|70.18.5.219]] 03:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. Will do as you recommend. I posted it there more because I was interested in possible future incidents. But I guess your advice would apply to those too, in situations where it does not seem that process was followed.
Carol Moore[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

::Carol, I understood it; my proposal over there - preceding yours - was posted for the same reason. But, it seems that [[Wikipedia talk:Vandalism]] collects rather proposal of solutions to problems (than problem notices themselves), and only those particularly pertaining to the "theory" of vandalism. Sneaky vandals have bothered me too, in particular those, who seep through the system unpunished damaging others' (including mine) contributions by pretending acting in good-faith. So, I posted the proposal over there to strengthen the "vandalism" definition (in part pertaining to "deliberate" and "good-faith effort") allowing to hunt them down or just as a deterrent with a benefit to everyone. If you can think about a particular solution to the problem you encountered, it will be beneficiary to post it too. -Eugene[[User:70.18.5.219|70.18.5.219]] 18:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I am facing the problem today with someone actually deleting all the evidence I provide of a controversial point opposed by citizens of a foreign nation and then putting in {{citation needed}}. Also claimed POV.

Someone else who may or may not have the same bias then chimed in with [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:SYN|Synthesis]]. Luckily, most of points I make were made by a [[Pulitzer Prize]] winning reporter in a best selling book so I just have to go back and make my case better. At least in my case I know what is going on, got very specific statements of why changes made and it's not just vandals having fun and giving no credible reasons. However, the latter usually is easier to revert.

I don't know if stricter rules are necessary. But I do know it's necessary to know the wiki lingo to defend your points - and be willing to strengthen you edits if there are reasonable ''sounding'' objections made.

The one thing I would like to see is an archive of articles deleted kept for a few weeks so we can find out who did what and why. When they just disappear for no reason or one missed the reason it happened so fast, it's a problem. I keep complete wiki html copies of articles I've made significant changes to and now see that is very useful if want to contest a mysterious deletion like that one.
Carol Moore 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

== Pacifism ==
Hi there; I hope I wasn't too blunt about the changes I suggested for the pacifism page. Having seen your name a few times on the talk page, I'm glad to see that you're still an active editor of the page. I hope that we will be able to work together to make it a featureable article. (I'm kind of surprised it was nominated already.) I don't study ethics in particular, but I'm trying to devote some of my free time to familiarising myself with relevant literature so I can improve this article substantially. I may e-mail Andrew Fiala (with whom I have corresponded on occasion -- he is the author of the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy's wonderful article on pacifism) and ask for suggestions on where to start. I hope that you realise that I am aware of how much work is involved in the editing process (and how much people have already put into that article), and that the 'spectrum' and the very first bit of the lead-in was the least objectionable! &rho;&isin;&and;&sub;&isin; &there4; '''[[User:Heelan Coo|Heelan Coo]]''' ([[User talk:Heelan Coo|Talk]]) 23:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure where you find about about nominations, since don't see note on top of page. I'll keep my eye on what's going on and throw in my two cents and edits if necessary.
Carol Moore 22:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

== Re: [[Samson Option]] ==

Thanks for [[User_talk:Pigman#Hard_Job_for_New_Admin_:-.29|your request]] for me to help out with conflicts on [[Samson Option]]. I'm in the process of going over the pages to see if there's any suggestions I can make. However, I must tell you I'm unhappy with your use of [http://carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html off-wiki] [[WP:CANVASS]]ing to garner support for your position. This isn't a judgment of your ''position'' but the ''canvassing'' itself. I suggest you refrain from doing this. It's easy to feel overwhelmed on Wikipedia and I know sometimes people can bully or be bullied, particularly in minority positions. The proper course is to ask for neutral parties on Wikipedia to come help, not to solicit off-wiki support for a position. This kind of solicitation encourages people who have absolutely no familiarity with WP policy or guidelines to participate. The result is generally off-point discussion and a higher chance for the discussion to fall into attacks and bad faith accusations.

Anyway, hopefully I'll have more to say after reading the talk page and getting a sense of the positions there. Cheers, [[User:Pigman|'''Pigman''']][[User_Talk:Pigman|<font color="red"><sup>'''what?'''</sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Pigman|<font color="red"><small>'''trail'''</small></font>]] 19:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if I should reply here. Canvassing one of many policies I wasn't aware of. I didn't actually encourage people to edit, for the reasons you mention, just expressing frustrating temporarily. I'm actually re-writing the page as a more neutral presentation of facts than before, so I have learned something from the process. But Ill take it down if it's a problem. All the same material in slightly different form will go up when I'm done.

:Otherwise, I hope my other efforts to seek advice or comment were ok. I know I asked one very experienced editor who had had a similar problem with a similar editor for tips on what to do - and maybe comment. And then I did mention it to a couple editors on [[nuclear weapons and Israel]] who had said they wanted to keep it as a separate article so they could participate in debate.
:Carol Moore 23:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

::Replying here is fine. I prefer having conversational continuity on a single page if possible. Technically, you didn't really canvass as you said, merely posted a notice. However, the prominent placement on the page, the link to the article and the tone all invite readers to participate. And if you read the [[WP:CANVASS]] article, you'll note that asking for help or neutrally expressing your concerns about an article to a limited group of Wikipedians is fine. It's just the specific rallying of bodies and opinions to one side that's discouraged.

::I've been a bit busy so I'm still going through the info, particularly the talk pages to understand the issues involved. It's rather lengthy but I'm getting a sense of it. Cheers, [[User:Pigman|'''Pigman''']][[User_Talk:Pigman|<font color="red"><sup>'''what?'''</sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Pigman|<font color="red"><small>'''trail'''</small></font>]] 02:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

No Problem. So used to "lobbying" living in DC, must be reminded when NOT to do it :-)

I just took out all mention of WIKI and all wiki links and left it a temporary ''mystery article'' until I get my final material together in a week or so. Only the hardest core of WIKIpedians might guess where it's from. On a related note, I've just been working on another project and couldn't believe all these for-profit sites that just copy wikipedia whole sale, put a bunch of ads on it, and make money!!

As for all that material, I don't mind if 1/2 gets deleted in a proper wiki process, as long as all editors feel free to comment and one person doesn't seem to be a big bully.
Carol Moore 03:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

==Re: Please Read Samson Option Talk==
:To undo my edit, you simply go to '''history,''' find the edit of mine which you wish to undo, and click '''(undo)'''. My apologies that I didn't consult the talk page before adding contributing- I first created the Samson Option article about two years ago (it was only a line or two long before that), and that was the info which I had researched and entered at the time. I left it alone, and only came back to it today, much changed and, I was dissapointed to see, very short and lacking in any information on what exactly the Samson Option is- that is, a DOCTRINE, more so then a simple nuclear reality. Upon finding the article with so little information in it today, I simply re-added what I had originally written, since it was still valid, and absolutely relevant to the subject. I did not delete anything you or anybody else wrote. I will now go and consult the talk page, and anything which is not specifically in dispute there, I will simply re-add. I would appreciate it if you would then take up your concerns on the talk page, before simply deleting anything I write- I am not a vandal, and I try to play by the rules, but articles in need of expansion, such as the Samson Option one, need to not be held in such tight check against anybody who wants to expand them. If I make reasonable contributions, and site my souces (which I did), then you have no call to delete them- certainly not in an article as short as this. Remember, just because something does not necessarily agree with your opinion on the subject, does not mean that it does not belong in the article. Thank you. [[User:RudyB|Rudy Breteler]] 21:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


:Ok, I read the entire talk article and didn't find any significant disagreements with the "doctrine" section, but found several statements of support for it, from various users. I will re-add. Also, the short fact ("le'olam lo shuv (never again)" having been inscripted on the first Israeli nuclear bomb) which I sited (twice!) was not disputed on the talk page at all. I think it's relevent. The page is short enough that the needs of expansion are on my side. I can defend my position on the talk page, if you attack it there. Please, do not simply delete it if I post that again. Thanks, [[User:RudyB|Rudy Breteler]] 22:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


:On a side note, I appreciate your extensive contributions to the article, and the research which you are obviously putting into it. It was people like you who I was hoping would come and take over the article after I wrote it in the first place. Obviously, we come from different ends of the political spectrum here- I should state openly that I'm Jewish, Zionist, very pro-Israel. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression of you is of a somewhat leftist activist. Thats OK with me, it is healthy interaction between different types of people which makes Wikipedia a stronger community. [[User:RudyB|Rudy Breteler]] 22:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

::I responded three times and each time my response got eaten by editing conflict. This time I'm saving it!

::Thanks for your honesty. I'm actually a libertarian decentralist anti-nuker. See barebones [[Carol Moore]]. I don't have a problem with honest disagreement, just dishonest hidden agendas!

:::First off, though, you should question the claims of "hidden agendas" on the part of Wikipedia as fervently as you question the Wikipedia's claims. What you see as "hidden agenda" may not be seen as that by another nor may it even exist at all, and even if it does, you should be able to point to something that really suggests it is so. It is good to expose one's own claims to the same level of criticism with which one levies against others' claims. [[User:Mike4ty4|mike4ty4]] ([[User talk:Mike4ty4|talk]]) 04:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::Anyway, the bottom line is that Israeli Doctrine is PURELY Speculative because they have never announced one, only hinted at it. Some feel it is merely self defense, others feel it is a policy of aggression to intimidate others with threats of wide retaliation. I certainly included lots of quotes illustrating that point from Israeli leaders, critics and supporters. I only wanted to get BOTH opinions in. If agree with those who believe ONLY the first interpretation belongs, then it seems you are joining the POV club. This kind of ganging up and using wikilawyering to delete information harmful to any particular cause is really a problem hurting WIKIPEDIA's credibility and a lot of people are getting fed up with it.
::Carol Moore 22:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

:::YELLING (like that) at people though will not help any. Also, if you want a good resolution, you have to be willing to admit your own interpretations may have been in error ''too'', and/or may not be neutral (this does not mean you cannot still have them or that they are ''bad'', it means they are ''not suitable for Wikipedia''.) I'm not familiar with this "Israeli Doctrine" and the stuff surrounding it, so I could not offer any help in that regard, but I am just saying how you may be able to get a real solution here that will actually work. Not to suggest the edits you have made ''are'' biased (I cannot judge it fairly as I am not familiar with the subject matter), but you need to be open to that possibility, and to remember that writing anything that even comes close to neutrality on yourself and things you are closely associated with requires a great deal of humility, and even to simply ''work in the direction of that'', even with the assistance of others. Developing this humility may be difficult, but humility is a good thing to have anyways, so there are other reasons for developing it that have nothing to do with writing a bunch of prose on Wikipedia. [[User:Mike4ty4|mike4ty4]] ([[User talk:Mike4ty4|talk]]) 04:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

:The idea that there there has never been any public disclosure whatsoever of Israeli nuclear policy is really a myth. True, there have been no official statements by the government, but several former MKs, PMs, and retired high ranking military officials have talked quite openly about many aspects of Israel's nuclear policy (some most likely with instructions from the government to do so, since that is a way for them to communicate their policy without actually themselves admitting that they have one). My list is drawn from a compliation of interviews and articles from such people. I will make an effort to dig these up and show them to you/place them in the article, but right now is finals week and I'm swamped. Anyway, some of them may be in Hebrew- I'll see what I can do. [[User:RudyB|Rudy Breteler]] 17:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

::I know there has been lots of unofficial stuff said and I tried to get some in but it was deleted. Now maybe I might concentrate on stuff that looks negative and you might on stuff that looks defensive, but if we have a dialogue we can come up with a balanced article. The problem is people who just want to delete anything they don't like, even NEUTRAL stuff. Esp. people who want to delete the article all together. But take your time and maybe the naysayers will lose interest and rational minds can consense on something that tells the whole story, from all relevant viewpoints, at some point. ;-)
::Carol Moore 23:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

Mike4yt4's comments are a bit late. And he admits he is not familiar with the topic. Also I don't know if he's read the actual [[Samson Option]] talk page or just somehow chanced upon this page. If you read my last comment there the bottom line is that because the Israeli govt does NOT tell us what their nuclear strategy is, it is open to interpretation. And there are a number of interpretations. The problem was that one person in particular, with a couple supporters, only wanted certain interpretations that made Israel look good, not statements by Israeli leaders or supporters that made Israel look bullying.

Anyway, I was pretty annoyed at first, but had to learn how to use wiki policies to deal with issues. But I'm still not as good a wiki lawyer as this other person.
Carol Moore 20:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

== RE:Where is pacifism archives? ==

Sorry, my mistake. I forgot to link to the page. I just added <nowiki>{{archivebox|auto=yes}}</nowiki> to the talk page, which links to every archive created from now on. - [[User:The Giant Puffin|<font face="Franklin Gothic Book" color="orange">'''• The Giant Puffin •'''</font>]] 23:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

==Your note==

Hi Carol. Nice user page, and between that and info in the article on you, it's great to have this chance encounter, sharing many approximate ideas myself.

About the situation, I can't really offer anything in the way of hard and fast advice right now. My own attempts to engage him in substantive discussion about this pattern, have thus far been failures and messages on his talk have also been deleted as trolling. But if you do have a problem with the same user in the future, do let me know. On my part, I'll do the same and perhaps we can open a joint [[WP:RfC]]. [[User:Tiamut|<b><font color="#B93B8F">T</font><font color="#800000">i</font><font color="#B93B8F">a</font><font color="#800000">m</font><font color="#B93B8F">u</font><font color="#800000">t</font></b>]] 17:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, ha! Now I know what RfC means. I did it once but the meaning hadn't sunk in. Didn't realize that it could be use with disruptive users. But good to know for future incidents -- and so I can keep my own thoughts of naughty behavior to myself and thus under control! :-)
:Carol Moore 19:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc]]

== [[Debt-based monetary system]] ==

By the way, thank you for your considered comment on this page. I can live with the page remaining IF it can be "unmessified". As you can see, my opinion is that it has turned into entirely original research and/or restatement of an author who is not particularly notable. I believe there are, potentially, sources that could be used to make this article useful, but it's not there. At any rate, your attempt to contribute and assist is most appreciated.--[[User:Gregalton|Gregalton]] ([[User talk:Gregalton|talk]]) 21:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I just looked at the first article written http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Debt-based_monetary_system&oldid=53824906 It is what you need to do to understand the concept without hours of studying current article! Doing so does make me realize that "debt based monetary system" is NOT a compliment! But if the phrase is used by a few authors and has some sort of support among activists, I don't have a problem with it being there. But as a short article reflecting the importance of the subject, not the absurd piece it is now.

:Just read through K's comments and can see there is at least one fanatical supporter. Not the first article I've seen making all sorts of claims about what most libertarians think with no references!

:What I should do is try to get some of these free market libertarians who at least support the possibility of some sort of workable [[credit money]] (or "debt money") system to say so in a paper, give it a definitive name, and that would solve the problem theoretically for those think pure credit money systems CAN work if they are carefully controlled by users/consumers and not by profiteers and frauds.
:Carol Moore 22:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|talk]]

::There are some sources at [[full reserve banking]] and a search for [[free banking]] will turn something up. There is a nice cite criticising the full reserve banking position (IMHO) at that article in a clear monetary sense. Off line for several days, have fun.--[[User:Gregalton|Gregalton]] ([[User talk:Gregalton|talk]]) 22:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Thomas H. Greco, Jr ==

Hi! I'll venture a guess and say that it's probably not possible to control the url address because it is automatically created by Wikipedia. A few other "Jr" articles that have that url without the 20% gibberish seem to have been created years ago which might indicate that it is something controlled by the system. Newer ones have that other lettering (which is what I'm guessing is spacing, etc). Since I'm not really sure, try posting at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29 technical section of the Village Pump]. Someone there might know if it's possible to control the url created. Good luck! [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] ([[User talk:Pinkadelica|talk]]) 05:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

…4:02 p.m. e.s.t. I think Separatism can be linked to where separation is for it is the ism wich qualifies it to be still junctioned,though i think it would have to be a carefull method of discution and if so it would then be of greatness have a Great day D.G.DeL-Dorchester Mass [[User:D.G.DeL-Dorchester Mass|David George DeLancey]] ([[User talk:D.G.DeL-Dorchester Mass|talk]]) 21:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:04, 30 January 2023

Green Box Links to Barnstars, Archives, Other Stuff (click "show" --->)

ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!
I'll be back.
Too busy to appeal my BAN FROM EDITING for reasons described HERE. ("Evidence" here.) Remember:

WELL-BEHAVED WOMEN SELDOM MAKE HISTORY!!!
This user wants to see everything in its place.




Last of the Mohicans[edit]

The Working Man's Barnstar
For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the Gender Gap Task Force or the GGTF ArbCom case.

Hi, Carolmooredc. I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to Assume Good Faith, and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, ha, enjoy. —Neotarf (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feminists Engage Wikipedia[edit]

The Feminists Engage Wikipedia Award!
If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! Djembayz (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors[edit]

Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.

Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.

Your return is eagerly awaited !!!![edit]

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, gives me yet another idea. A quickie video like on Talking Dead with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Special Barnstar
Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Wikipedia. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. Fæ (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. Ca2james (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Guess Wikipedia needs a wikilove puppy lobby! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A pie for you![edit]

Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Wikipedia sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --GRuban (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten[edit]

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Wikipedia was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten (2)[edit]

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck[edit]

Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with Tarc's remark. I look forward to your return. -- C1cada (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Wikipedia, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. Sadads (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at list of Wikipedia controversies. Tarc (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Wikipedia's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: Wikipedia gender gap-related Media hits. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment after Arbcom voted to ban me.) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't been forgotten[edit]

This member of WP:RETENTION, hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( 91.125.81.13 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carol. North8000 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --Fæ (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting of Al Hallaq[edit]

I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.

Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Limited editing rights[edit]

I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Prompt Global Strike Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us?  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cool! North8000 (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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