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Are you open to collaborating with me to improve the following article: Peter_Wilmshurst? Atsme^📞📧 22:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I'm unfamiliar with him so I'll need to do some research, but I'd be happy to work with you to improve the article. Just one thing: if we disagree on something, can we both agree to try to see where the other is coming from and to work to find some way forward? Ca2james (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would have been agreeable and was actually looking forward to such a collaboration but your behavior on Kombucha has given me a change of heart. Can't say I didn't try. And please spare me the BS about over and over and over because it works both ways. I wouldn't have to repeat myself if others would simply WP:HEAR. Atsme^📞📧 14:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed the statements you made at Kombucha several times but you continue dismiss my explanations as if I'd said nothing; instead of refuting mine or others' responses, you keep repeating your statrements (which is pretty much the definition of WP:IDHT). I asked above that we agree to try to see each other's viewpoints when we disagree, and since it appears that you're unwilling to do that, I'm not open to working with you on Peter Wilmshurst. Good luck with the article. Ca2james (talk) 16:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pavlov's RfA reward Thank for !voting at my recent RfA. You voted Oppose so you get only one cookie, but a nice one. (Better luck next time.) All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks, Rich! When I'm back to eating solid food (I'm sick right now), I'll enjoy it. I hope that you're able to get those restrictions lifted because then it will be easier for me and others to support your next RfA. Good luck! Ca2james (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I suggest picking an article and starting on that. I'm starting on List of oldest living people as I imagine that would be the center of the firestorm (pending cases must be removed and merging the "other cases" with other reliable sources that aren't verified by the GRG is everything at once). Most of those editors won't care about what RSN or anything here says and I suspect this won't be resolved until we go back to ARBCOM and get serious procedures to work with, and the ability to sanction with teeth as every discussion and report at ANI and other places ends up a madhouse of arguments about how amazing the GRG is. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky8168, thanks for making those changes. I've reverted one of the editors who reverted your changes and will keep an eye on the page. I'd like to avoid a fight on this issue but sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. I wish ArbCom hadn't rescinded the discretionary sanctions in this project area. I'm going to start work on List of supercentenarians who died in 2015. Ca2james (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted. Admins agree that you're wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.121.17 (talk) 19:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

James,

I feel that a more organised discussion about the issues surrounding the WOP project and the solutions to them is needed. Currently it's a manic free-for-all which has lead to edit-warring and people being potentially topic banned. I also feel the need to clear up a few misconceptions that other editors have about the goal that I and others have when it comes to editing these articles. I'm not pro-GRG, I'm pro-age validation. There's a difference. I think it's important that a scientific subject is treated with a high level of consideration for factual accuracy. Some of the current proposals - such as to create lists of the oldest people with a mixture of verified and unverified cases - is like mixing information about evolution and creationism.

I understand that your viewpoints are different, so I think the best thing is to try and form compromises which are in-line with Wiki policy. For example, I think List of oldest living people, as it currently is, is fine even if the "pending" and "unverified" cases are mixed because then it's at least clear to the reader that "these cases are considered genuine by a major international body" and "these cases are only claims and have not been verified". I don't think that's much to ask.

I'm also going to propose that we remove some rather unnecessary list articles like List of supercentenarians who died in 2015 and trim down certain other lists to "top 100 oldest" or whatever.

In the meantime, I think everyone should take a brief "cool down period" and resume discussing these issues in a more organised manner.

--Ollie231213 (talk) 00:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]