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List of LGBT people pages: (on 2007-10-31)

It has serious POV issues. It only has a lead and it looks like an ad. I realize it doesn't qualify exactly for CSD but whether or not it's expanded (and that means a substantial rewrite, no?) right now it isn't very encyclopedic. What should be done? -- Mentifisto 15:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It just seems to me that the whole article is wrong. The user who created it doesn't have a good reputation either and violates copyright frequently... in fact the image in that article is a copyvio... and besides that I think that the music label isn't even notable - no significant entries in google besides this article. -- Mentifisto 17:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not notable, AfD will decide. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey SatyrTN! and Happy New Year! I'm inquiring to see if you may be able to help with a searching challenge again. I'm hoping to find every article that the {{Rescue}} template has been used on; for my purposes the deleted ones don't matter as much as the ones that are still here. My hope is to start the project's recognition (with barnstars) of those who've worked to save articles from deletion. The template is removed so one idea I had is maybe a bot could search each day through the category's history and see which articles are listed as a way of generating a list. Is this possible? Benjiboi 04:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. Um. The way the database works, the bot would have to take an article and search through the revisions to see if the template was there - I don't believe it keeps track of categories in the way you're hoping. It's an issue I get frustrated by, too, but it doesn't work that way. I believe there are bots that can do that, but mine isn't one of them. I suggest a note at WP:BOTREQ asking about it.

And Happy New Calendar to you as well! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to search through the revisions of Category:Articles that have been proposed for deletion but that may concern encyclopedic topics and pull the articles that are listed or should I challenge the good folks at WP:BOTREQ? Benjiboi 12:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Categories don't have revisions :( Think of the list in a category as a "what links here" - there's nothing stored there, it just searches for what articles have "links" to the category. But there might be another way that I don't know about... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harumph! I wonder if digging through AfD for survivors makes more sense...oi the pain of it all! Benjiboi 23:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year! Just wanted you to know that I responded to your message on my talk page, in case you hadn't seen it. Cheers, Melty girl (talk) 05:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, still need it, if you don't mind. That's a great picture to use I reckon. :) Say, how long do you think it will take to complete the LGB people list, for one person? Because I thought it might be really great if as part of LGBT History Month I persuaded Bradford University to print off the entire list and put it up somewhere - and if they agreed I could probably also persuade a few of my Dorothean friends to help out (as well as lazy, bad, sinful me. :( ) But I don't know how much faster they would make it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea. It's taken me months to get through Q through Z, but I don't work on it exclusively. But we're technically over the halfway point, so if several of us were to knuckle down, we might be able to get through the rest in a month. But that's a guess. Maybe if we get the project to get more involved? As a "LGBT History Month" thing we want to get done by the end of January? Julie, are you listening? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mm. I'd say I'd get more involved but I'm rapidly turning out to be completely useless at that. What I will do though is propose a meetup with some friends where we break out our laptops, sit in the library and actually work on the list, thereby doing a social AND improving the list. That'll get some more names on it for sure. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought October is LGBT History month? Benjiboi 23:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"LGBT History Month occurs during February in the United Kingdom, but during October in the United States." quoted from that article... Aleta (Sing) 00:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because both October and February have *so* much to do with being LGBT. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding was that October was seized upon for it being the first complete month in a new school calendar year and the connection to Halloween. Benjiboi 00:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

April however is trés gay because of its association with a giant rabbit rolling a chocolate Easter egg away from the tomb - thus themes of delicious reincarnation and fertility. Benjiboi 00:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pity that no-one has LGBT History month in April then. Satyr my love, I love the wings: you have fabulous taste. :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ROTFL! Thank you very much :) I've emailed the guy who made them - he's a Wikipedian User:Robodesign, so I'm hoping he'll release PD or CC. If not, I'll find an outline of wings that will work. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Thanks for taking an interest in the above article. Just to clarify Category:LGBT politicians from the United States is not a sub-cat of Category:Gay politicians, or vice-versa. They are both sub-cats of Category:LGBT politicians but are not linked directly. I have therefore reinserted the category you removed. Cheers. -- Lincolnite (talk) 08:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Lincolnite! Within the LGBT project, we try to put people in a) a profession and b) a place. If they're in a cat that has both, so much the better. So having Mr Howard in both categories is redundant. Is there a particular reason for him to be in both? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in replying. It's become standard practise to include LGBT politicians both in a country category and a sexuality category (G, L, B or T). You'll find that almost all articles in country categories (such as Category:LGBT politicians from the United States or Category:LGBT politicians from the United Kingdom) are also included in one of Category:Gay politicians, Category:Lesbian politicians, Category:Bisexual politicians or Category:Transgender and transsexual politicians. I'm merely proposing that Mr Howard be treated the same way. -- Lincolnite (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see you speedily deleted this page and did the same too to 'Marley Floors'. Could you please use 'article for deletion' instead if the article looks like somebody means it to be there so the author can develop/explain or whatever. In my view what you have done amounts to vandalism. Dmcq (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please could you restore Dance floor (surface). Sorry about the vandal epithet but I felt annoyed. Please note under deletion 'Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape.'. I'd have thought that should have been stuck into the speedy deletion section too. I can get away without Marley Floors as I just put it in as the company to which marley floors owe their name rather like every vacuum cleaner is a hoover.

Dance floors are of great interest to people designing or running community halls, dance studios and theatres, as well as many dancers and there are european and national standards which apply to them. I have had a bit of trouble on the title for this part though if you look under Dance floor. Very often when people talk about a dance floor they mean a special vinyl flooring which can be rolled up and replaced rather than a complete installation. This article was to be about such vinyl flooring. The article can't be joined up with the Sprung floor article in any sensible way as that can have a wooden or other surface, and a dance floor surface may be used without a sprung floor. They are also called performance surfaces and marley floors. Sometimes small ones used on their own are called dance mats but that seems to be applied more usually to dance pads nowadays. At a quick estimate about half a millon of the 14 million pages you get from Google for "dance floor" refer to this sort of thing. Another problem is that it would be nice to take the bit about traction from the sprung floor article and move it to the dance floor surface article - but traction applies to all dance floor surfaces not just vinyl ones. I think I'd have to just make the article apply to all dance floor surfaces and have the vinyl ones as a special subsection. Dmcq (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the deleted page in your userspace. Two comments for you: One way to start articles is to start them in your userspace (see Wikipedia:User page#How do I create a user subpage?). Also, to keep the "Dance floor (surface)]] article from being deleted, you'll want to ensure it follows Notability.

Glad to see you're very much in to the subject :) And sorry if I stepped on toes. Happy editing! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wave at me. I need you to look at something... -- ALLSTARecho 04:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to restore United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008 per the merge discussion at Talk:United States Senate election in Mississippi, 2008#Merge but for some reason all of the history is gone from United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008. Someone earlier today merged it anyway, regardless of the merge consensus and I'm trying to put it back. Where's all the history so I can just hit revert or restore?? -- ALLSTARecho 06:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I just figured that out while waiting on your reply. lol I've got it fixed. Thanks! -- ALLSTARecho 06:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[1]. WjBscribe 06:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I approve :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks SatyrTN, for the feedback on Talk:Rumor in Town. I really appreciate your direction and feedback. There's a learning curve here but I want to do things right! I'll read more about Wikipedia:COI.--Low2snow (talk) 14:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo. I took another momentous trip to the golden library halls, picking up a crapload of few books, 2 by Troy D. Perry and another about him, that I'll be reading over the next couple months to improve his article. My master plan with the article was to start bringing it to GA status little by little. I started with the info by Kay Tobin, that I put into a bibliography and referenced where necessary. I saw you shifted it, since it did look a bit goofy. I suppose I should have told you about my master plan...Would you care to work on it with me, or will I be left to my own evil devices? --Moni3 (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evil devices. I'm snowed under with a goal of getting through the list by the end of the month. But I really support you and your work! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exxxxxcellent! Kick ass with your lists, by the way. Rock on. --Moni3 (talk) 23:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes I guess that's so. Currently his notability is via his mother and being a rebel sculptor in a conservative minor state in Australia. Not the sharpest profile to be had. Something may yet turn up, who knows? Cheers Julia Rossi (talk) 08:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Satyr, I added Reg Livermore to the list of LGBT people yesterday, using this source. I'm not sure how to add it to his article though, other than a random sentence "He is gay." Can't see anything about a partner or any other personal life info (eg. Livermore is gay and lives in Sidney with his partner...) or any way that his sexuality impacts on his work. What do you think? --BelovedFreak 15:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe in the part about his autobiography? And, if I can't throw in a ", who is gay," someplace, I've just added a bald-faced sentence like you describe. Rude, but if the article doesn't have a "Personal life" section, perhaps that sentence will start one off :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. I have added a 1-sentence "he is gay" personal life section. Hopefully someone will flesh it out a bit! --BelovedFreak 15:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you listed Mary Burns (US Civil War soldier) on the AFD page, however, the AFD header is not on the article. Were you planning to add that? Personally, I follow the instruction set at WP:AFD. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My bad! I put it there, but hit "preview" and went on to the rest of the instructions without hitting save. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi SatyrTN -- I got a bot notice about the Mary Burns article. Assuming you set the bot on the article, make sure you do it on the original Mary Burns article, which has the history of the contributors, most of whom were to the civil war person not the English labor radical. Notification to me doesn't do much, since I only care about the English labor radical. <g> --Lquilter (talk) 17:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per BLP: This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. In regards to Matt Sanchez, it is sourced and certainly not poorly since it's him in his own voice admitting he was a prostitue to Alan Colmes on FOX News. -- ALLSTARecho 17:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your SatyrBot removed David Kalstone from Category:Gay writers because it wasn't sourced in the article. What kind of source is good enough? The article does include a source claiming that Kalstone was the basis of a gay character in a novel by Edmund White, also documented as one of Kalstone's good friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlauri (talk • contribs) 18:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dlauri! I (under the bot's account) removed the category because it doesn't state he was gay or bisexual. Implying such doesn't quite cut it :) If you can find a source that states he was gay, add it in the article and put it back in the cat - that would be great! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Matt Sanchez suddenly indefblocked? There seem to be far more ANI threads about this than is necessary and I'm finding it impossible to work out how we have suddenly jumped from my 2 day block to indefinite.... WjBscribe 00:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His indefinite was because of his legal threat he made today. Look on his talk page at his unblock request box. Yeah, what Satyr said. Dealt with him so much today I forgot the order of it all. Sorry. -- ALLSTARecho 01:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The blocking admin (Coredesat) decided the community had had enough. He blocked Matt indef. Matt made an unblock request that said "Who blocked me? I'll sue!", which, of course, in as indef-blocking offense. And here we are. This seems to be the main thread. I tried to mention that we should follow process, but Matt's threat threw everything up in the air. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, I suspect the threatened suit was because of the prostitution discussion that was in the article at that point, compounded by his being blocked. Aleta (Sing) 01:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I don't agree that it shouldn't be in the article, but do agree that's what set off the legal threat. And quite frankly, so what. He wouldn't win. The sources are his own mouth admitting his prostitution. If you're interested, I have proposed on the talk page a way to include the information so that BLP has no baring on it. From this, I know WJB has had dealings with it so I'm interested in hearing his opinion on my proposal as well. -- ALLSTARecho 01:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm uncomfortable with the speed at which things have moved. A week might have made sense, indef seems too much. And I don't think that's a real legal threat, more an exclamation of anger. I think it may take an ArbCom case to fully untangle this one. WjBscribe 01:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh - sorry - forgot to mention the "OTRS correspondence" that blocked the article. I suspect at this point it's moved to (or past) ArbCom. I advocated for less of a block (a week), but that was mere minutes before the legal threat and ensuing brouhaha. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]