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The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) <ref>http://www.wipo.int/portal/en/</ref>, the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)<ref>https://www.uspto.gov/</ref> the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO)<ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home</ref> and their international peer intellectual property organizations (in 191 member states<ref>http://www.wipo.int/members/en/</ref>) ''incontestably'' [the word "incontestable" is legislatively defined, pursuant to Canada's (a WIPO Member State<ref>http://www.wipo.int/members/en/details.jsp?country_id=29</ref>) Federal Trade-marks Act R.S.C., 1985, c. T-13)<ref>http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/T-13/FullText.html</ref>; equivalent United States Trademark Law<ref>http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=incontestability&f=treesort&fq=true&num=2&hl=true&edition=prelim&granuleId=USC-prelim-title15-section1065</ref> and international jurisdiction equivalents] ''recognize'' (pursuant to international intellectual property treaties and conventions<ref>http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/about-ip/en/iprm/pdf/ch5.pdf</ref>) that the ''world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain'' 'principles in commerce' ''was not'' 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" (these are equivalent terms: see [[Peer-to-peer lending]]) electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of currency (commonly referred to as "cryptocurrency"); known by its genericized brand name: "bitcoin"<ref>https://bitcoin.org/en/</ref> and actually or ostensibly, created by unknown person or persons named "Satoshi Nakamoto"; pursuant to a white paper entitled "''Bitcoin: a Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System''<ref>https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf</ref>" first published in the Metzger, Dowdeswell & Co. LLC<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/</ref> “Cryptography Mailing List” on Friday, October 31 at 14:10:00 EDT in 2008<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html</ref> and a subsequent computer program named: “Bitcoin v0.1" published for release on Thursday January 8 at 14:27:40 EST in 2009<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html</ref>; ''instead'', international public trademark records (proof-of-work) indicate that the ''world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain'' was 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of debt (commonly referred to as "cryptodebt"); known by its internationally registered trademark brand names: "BITMORTGAGE®"<ref>https://mqcc.org/BITMORTGAGE-Registered-Trademark-and-Brand-of-Peer-to-Peer-(&-Private)-Real-Estate-Finance-and-Peer-to-Peer-Electronic-Cash-(Cryptocurrency)-Products-and-Services</ref> <ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/viewTrademark?id=1823238&lang=eng&tab=reg</ref> <ref>http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87339123&docId=ORC20170827185131#docIndex=0&page=1
The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) <ref>http://www.wipo.int/portal/en/</ref>, the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)<ref>https://www.uspto.gov/</ref> the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO)<ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home</ref> and their international peer intellectual property organizations (in 191 member states<ref>http://www.wipo.int/members/en/</ref>) ''incontestably'' [the word "incontestable" is legislatively defined, pursuant to Canada's (a WIPO Member State<ref>http://www.wipo.int/members/en/details.jsp?country_id=29</ref>) Federal Trade-marks Act R.S.C., 1985, c. T-13)<ref>http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/T-13/FullText.html</ref>; equivalent United States Trademark Law<ref>http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=incontestability&f=treesort&fq=true&num=2&hl=true&edition=prelim&granuleId=USC-prelim-title15-section1065</ref> and international jurisdiction equivalents] ''recognize'' (pursuant to international intellectual property treaties and conventions<ref>http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/about-ip/en/iprm/pdf/ch5.pdf</ref>) that the ''world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain'' 'principles in commerce' ''was not'' 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" (these are equivalent terms: see [[Peer-to-peer lending]]) electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of currency (commonly referred to as "cryptocurrency"); known by its genericized brand name: "bitcoin"<ref>https://bitcoin.org/en/</ref> and actually or ostensibly, created by unknown person or persons named "Satoshi Nakamoto"; pursuant to a white paper entitled "''Bitcoin: a Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System''<ref>https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf</ref>" first published in the Metzger, Dowdeswell & Co. LLC<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/</ref> “Cryptography Mailing List” on Friday, October 31 at 14:10:00 EDT in 2008<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html</ref> and a subsequent computer program named: “Bitcoin v0.1" published for release on Thursday January 8 at 14:27:40 EST in 2009<ref>http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html</ref>; ''instead'', international public trademark records (proof-of-work) indicate that the ''world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain'' was 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of debt (commonly referred to as "cryptodebt"); known by its internationally registered trademark brand names: "BITMORTGAGE®"<ref>https://mqcc.org/BITMORTGAGE-Registered-Trademark-and-Brand-of-Peer-to-Peer-(&-Private)-Real-Estate-Finance-and-Peer-to-Peer-Electronic-Cash-(Cryptocurrency)-Products-and-Services</ref> <ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/viewTrademark?id=1823238&lang=eng&tab=reg</ref> <ref>http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87339123&docId=ORC20170827185131#docIndex=0&page=1
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</ref> (for government regulated cryptodebt instruments, including those secured by real property) and "NONMORTGAGE®"<ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/viewTrademark?id=1591891&lang=eng&tab=reg</ref> <ref>http://www.nonmortgage.com</ref> (for non-government regulated cryptodebt instruments, including those not secured by real property), created by Mr. Anoop Bungay; pursuant to a proprietary dissertation entitled: “''Binary Digit Debt: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Debt System''” [research commenced pursuant to regulatory obligations to the Real Estate Council of Alberta (RECA<ref>https://www.reca.ca/</ref>) at least as early as August 14, 2001<ref>https://reports.myreca.ca/publicsearch.aspx</ref>] and its corresponding public business implementation: ''PrivateLender.Org: Canada's Private Lending Network®''<ref>http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/viewTrademark?id=1391367&lang=eng&tab=reg</ref> at least as early as April 9, 2005<ref>https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=PRIVATELENDER.ORG</ref>.

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Hi, and thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for the advice, I definitely agree. I am learning what the rules are, and to go by them. As you say, a lot of patience is required. I have been contributing to Wikipedia since it started, so I don't know where I got the "beginner" label from :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LarsPensjo (talk • contribs) 14:42, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@LarsPensjo: Sorry, I only looked at your english contributions and only saw some contributions this year. Now I see you contribute more in SV wikipedia. Anyhow, thanks for joining the ethereum discussion. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No worry, I still have a lot to learn. Now I saw the ping command, nice to know! The problem of using the Ethereum page also for Ethereum Classic, IMO, is that there are a lot of statements that are not true. Especially the Applications list. This list is important, as it shows that Ethereum is actually used for something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LarsPensjo (talk • contribs) 15:31, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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While I agree with your bold article recreation, it might help to add more recent sources to show continuing coverage. The 'deletes' who watchlisted the article are already back in force.--Milowent (talk) 13:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi JT - I was wondering if you could dig up some reliable sources that speak to his notability? The article does have a lot of sources right now, but a lot of them are not reliable sources, and as far as I can tell none of them are the type of significant third party coverage that would establish his notability. Thanks, Kevin (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, there. It has come to my attention that you may also be in a conflict of interest with the article as per my talk page here. [1] I may need to reverse my opinion on the matter if this is in fact true. Whenaxis about talk contribs 22:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey buddy, thought I should leave you a note about recent AfD stuff. I've reverted two of your comments added after AfDs had been closed. Once a discussion has been closed, adding comments (no matter how relevant you think they might be) is a bit of a "no-no". Best just to contribute to open AfDs. In those open AfDs, try to remain on-point and civil. There's not much point citing other AfD nominations or attacking the nominator. Just substantiate each subject's notability in turn and be satisfied when each of them is snow-closed as keep. There's probably only one in that "batch" that should actually be deleted - Norman Sjoman. The others were silly nominations and are all on their way to being kept. Stalwart111 23:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was just coming here to say that your comments at AFD were way over the top, JTbobwaysf. You should strike them. Comment on the merits of the discussion, not the individual. Dennis Brown - - © - @ - Join WER 23:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Stalwart and Dennis, I wasn't commenting on the user. I was calling attention to the fact that the user is a Wikipedia:Single-purpose account, which is both relevant and important to that particular AfD discussion as the purpose of that user's account is to nominate for AfD (nominations that Stalwart has called "silly"). Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seconded. Please stop discussing other users at AfD - you've marked them up as possible SPA which is fine, but AfD simply isn't the right place for such discussion --- it gums up the works and delays final disposition. By all means take people to ANI if you think it appropriate; there's simply no value in repeatedly talking about it at AfD, as I see others have explained above. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Seriously, what are you doing? I raised my concerns, and now you are edit warring to get dangerous medical claims into an article despite it violating WP:MEDRS. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain how it violates WP:MEDRS. I also posted a question on your talk page asking that question. I have already posted the same question on your talk page, with you answer. Then you come here and start talking about edit warring. Nice Thanks Jtbobwaysf (talk) 11:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The ref says "Third, there is an increase in nervous system disorders which also is not statistically significant. This increase is due to four cases of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease." [2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:15, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

i got that from Concussions_in_American_football where it says that it was statistically significant. it also says "the same year" on that page but when I look at the article, it is dated 1994, which is long before the NFL settlement (which is 2015/2016 timeframe if I am correct. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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You might find the essay WP:Why MEDRS? helpful. A lot of folks who don't edit much about health get puzzled about MEDRS and don't understand why we strive to rely on secondary sources in articles about health and use primary sources very, very, very gingerly, if ever.

Bottom line there, is that all kinds of advocates come to Wikipedia and try drive content about health into articles based on primary sources or popular media, and there is a lot of garbage out there, including even in the biomedical literature. When I say "advocates" I mean everyone from people who believe that magnetic bracelets can cure cancer to representatives of medical devices companies. Applying MEDRS consistently allows us to keep garbage out of Wikipedia and keep us focused on Wikipedia's mission to provide the public with high quality articles that summarize "accepted knowledge". We follow scientific and medical consensus, and we are careful to include only "accepted knowledge" when it comes to health content.

If we lower the sourcing bar, we open the flood gates to all kinds of garbage content.

Among editors who are experienced in editing on health content, it raises all kinds of red flags about advocacy when somebody shows up at an article pushing and pushing to include content based on a primary source. Jytdog (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with advocating for inclusion of content, and citing primary sources in itself are not just cause for a revert per WP:MEDMOS, it is only if it relates to debunking or undue weighting. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethereum article, "NPP"

Thanks very much for your comment here. I really appreciate people in WP who can acknowledge a mistake and move on. Way too many disputes are ego-driven instead of just being focused on the work. So thanks. Really.

For my part I took a fast (too fast) look at your contribs and thought that you worked some at New Page Patrol (NPP) but on closer look you just interacted with them a few times, about the article you created. I apologize for my mistake.

So I reviewed what is going on at the Ethereum article and on its Talk page, and it is really clear that advocates and conflicted editors have been swarming that article, and David Gerard has been pretty much the only experienced Wikipedian trying to maintain the content policies and guidelines. The advocacy that Gerard has been fighting off is blatant; the quality of almost all (almost all) the edits he has reverted has been really poor. Non-neutral content, hyping the currency and technology and downplaying negatives, often unsourced or badly sourced. (badly sourced = press releases, statements sourced only to the company's website or github).

It is really really hard to raise and maintain the quality of articles about IT topics where there are strong online communities. So I am really grateful for David's work.

You have been around a good long time, and I hope that you will work with David to raise and maintain the quality of that article and keep advocates (and people who own Ether and have financial conflicts of interest) from turning it into garbage. It doesn't mean that you always will agree, but I hope both of you can remain focused on Wikipedia's mission to provide the public with a high quality source of accepted knowledge about Ethereum, per WP:NOT. Thanks again. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Jytdog: Thank you for the note. Yes, I don't have much experience with administrative, review, etc areas of wikipedia. Anyhow, happy to help and normally the other editors point out when I am wrong and I learn from that. Wikipeida is a funky place, but what is nice is it seems that the truth (mostly) filters through in the end. Than you again :-) Sincerely Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, @Jtbobwaysf: I made a brief but explicit (and hopefully conciliatory) comment in favor of your position regarding Aeon. Nonetheless, as part of the momentum to close out the issues of the past few weeks, I notice that the particular citation is encompassed and corroborated in all its content by the other remaining extant references, so maybe it's OK to move on by standing down on it. I am not forcing your hand on this, just suggesting this informally. I am actually here to give a quick nod to you in regards to the asymmetry in courtesy that at least my reading finds in the various threads. By archiving the Talk page in the next day or so I hope that everyone is well served. Let's continue to enhance the article, which has appropriately withstood the notions of merger and AfD. Happy editing. FeatherPluma (talk) 04:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FeatherPluma (talk · contribs), I am good with the archive and think it is a good idea as well. Thank you for the note! :-) Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Jtbobways. I saw you have opened an RSN item on that sources argument that got started on Ethereum. Probably a good idea following the clear no consensus on Talk Ethereum that the proposed source is a !RS. I will be sure to watch that develop, and weigh in for sure, in the next few days.

In the meantime, if you'll search upward on that page, you'll see there was another RSN done (one I didn't even know about for many days) by another editor who is fighting sources on simple things in another article in that space. I eventually weighed in, for context, but almost did not really need to as two of the regular editors who monitor the RSN page had repeatedly told the editor that the sort of source used was probably okay. Btw, the page in question in that RSN (Blockchain (database)) is a mess on the Talk page, and could really use a visit by other editors to get more consensus-driven discussion outcomes. Cheers. N2e (talk) 10:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @N2e:, I will start to look at the blockchain page. Good for me to add a new article to study. Some new homework :-) Thanks again Jtbobwaysf (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. But recommend you take the Talk page a bit slowly. Maybe just think on one new topic per day or three for a while. There have only been two of us talking there for a while, and conflation across very separate issues has been, in my view, a bit of a problem. So I've taken to attempting to have Talk page sections that only deal with one issue at a time; with new sections for other issues. After all, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a work in progress, and there is no deadline. I'm just trying to get it on a vector to resolving and developing consensus on a few items that have been festering for months there. N2e (talk) 15:38, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@N2e: Will do, thank you for the comment and reminder. I do get fired up and start commenting sometimes. I already downloaded the blockchain book and read the first page before I got sidetracked :-) Thank you! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ladislav Mecir: Thanks for the heads up. Are we supposed to comment, or is this something the administrators handle on their own? BTW, I think you forgot to use the ~~ to sign your entry on the noticeboard. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:34, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conflation of two issues

Hi. I am aware of your recent creation of two noticeboard issues, and have even taken a position on one of them.

I'm here just to mention that I think it is a good idea to keep the two issues separate: they are separate issues, and there are two distinct WP noticeboards, one for dealing with each sort of issue.

Thus, I think it is a mistake to try to address both of them in one place, as for example, toward the very end of your statement of the issue on the FRINGE nomination/proposal, and also as you further articulated in your clarification here: diff

My rationale for this is simple: when you start it out and state it that way, there will necessarily be quite a bit of confused discussion on the board, which will only make it harder after 7 to 30 days, for some outside uninvolved editor to come in, review the discussion, and possibly indicate whether or what consensus might, or might not, have been achieved. Since, for example, the Fringe noticeboard can and will only work on issues of Fringe, best not to conflate it with the RS issue on the same board. Ditto for the RS board: make it purely and simply RS questions, and on very specific sources.

My recommendation to you: don't go edit like crazy in multiple places now to fix this. That dilutes your message, and allows your interlocutors to confuse things further. Limit it to maybe one or so relatively minor "fixes", if you decide to do anything at all. You have already made multiple comments in each place, and I have found that doesn't tend to help any later uninvolved editor who comes in to ascertain consensus. But do recognize that, for example, the Fringe discussion is much less clear than it might be because multiple editors are responding on the Fringe noticeboard about whether or not source xyz is a good source, which very much dilutes the real discussion on that particular page: is Ethereum properly a WP:FRINGE topic, or not.

Hope this is helpful. I mean it to be constructive feedback. Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@N2e: I totally agree with you that I have made a mess of that. I was confused in the beginning if I should make two noticeboards, or make one, and how to do the comments. Do you think I should edit out some of my comments to try to put it pack on track, or I just have to let it go and do it the right way next time. (I think the latter). Thank you! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 03:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion is do only a bit of strikeout in your original post, like this, and write very few words explaining it; just a brief not that you did, your name and date. DO NOT DELETE YOUR PRIOR TEXT and remove it completely; that can easily make you subject to accusations of bad practice, and it removes important context for the ultimate non-involved editor who plays the reviewer role, who will need to understand why ppl might have said what they said.
So, keep your comment noting what you did brief. More talk or more subjects can (and typically does) confuse. Also, maybe pick one board to do first (e.g., Fringe) and let the other one age a day or two. In Wikipedia, we can generally relax and take a week or more to decide important issues. Then, if (and as...) that goes well, consider clearing up the other one's extraneous topic text a day or so later. That's my two cents. N2e (talk) 03:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@N2e: Thank you for the feedback. I have struck some of my notes on Fringe in attempt to focus on the subject at hand and reduce the conflation you mentioned. Thank you very much for the helpful suggestions. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 12:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Glad to help. Just trying to make this encyclopedia better, and the experience better for good editors, so they'll stay and work on the project. Appreciate your work! Happy to mentor you further in the future should you want assistance or advice. N2e (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, two months on, we can see an illustration of what I was concerned about. Neither the Fringe board discussion, nor the RsN board discussion, reached any clear view and achieved a closed discussion. That has not stopped one particular active editor from, ad nauseum, continually referring to one or two editor's comments on the Fringe board as if he somehow won a policy victory. So, yeah, conflation and complexity on the topic under discussion is generally the enemy of forward progress. N2e (talk) 22:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed @N2e: I did really make a mess of the issue that didn't do much to solve the main issue of the editor in question (and his sometimes tag team partner) from deleting content that doesn't match his world view (in this case when the content originates from coindesk). Sometimes I feel a bit hopeless as all kinds of content gets deleted, even stuff from the wsj, nyt, etc. But that is certainly not as flagrant as the coindesk deletions. Thank you for the help on this! :-) Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General thought on contentious Talk page discussions

Hi there again Jtbobways. Really happy to see you staying involved in the contentious talk pages that got started a few months ago and which we previously chatted about, above.

On the most recent CoinDesk as a source debate on the blockchain article, I think we finally have that tee'd up as a single issue discussion. Best if editors make their point, despite bloviation and repetition by some edtiors, without ourselves repeating too much and too frequently in the discussion. Will make it easier for an outside/uninvolved reviewer to come in and close the discussion after a time, which I suspect will be exactly where this one will end up (uninvolved closer will be essential in this case, as it appears no amount of ordinary discussion and overwhelming no. of editors against his position will get him to concede).

In other words, on the CoinDesk topic, my recommendation is just ensure your position is clear and concise and based on wiki-policy. Let the closer help out in, oh, about 4 weeks time. N2e (talk) 22:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow.  Just learned this.  I have been too busy in my outside-Wikipedia life to have noticed.  User_talk:Earl_King#Earl_King_has_been_blocked.  Life is good!  N2e (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @N2e:, yes it has been more pleasant recently on the various articles that Earl was patrolling. First it appears Earl King Jr. something happened, he says he lost his login, but who knows. Then a few weeks later his second Earl King account (less the jr) was banned. I am not sure what he did, but it is nice to be without him for a while. Happy Holidays :-) Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I warned you that you introduced quite a few copyright violations to the article and informed you that all violations have to be removed first. Now I see that you are readding some content to the article before all your additions have been revisited. So, again, please do recheck all your additions and remove all copyright violation before making any additions to the text. That has to be made to allow an admin to remove the copyright violations not just from the article, but also from its history. If you do not do that and start adding new material, you risk that all your additions to the article will be deleted. Thanks in advance. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 08:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please just copy the text here you say is violating, maybe i forgot to edit the text from the source when moving it over the article. I moved a lot of content into the article today, and any copyright violation wasn't deliberate Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you please help, my edits are being reverted as "vandalism" by the founder and one of lead developers of IOTA on the Iota article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOTA_(Distributed_Ledger_Technology) Here is the Coordinator explained (and another primary source) http://www.tangleblog.com/2017/01/25/the-tech-behind-iota-explained/ See "The coordinator is deciding, where the tangle needs to grow and where to coordinate the next steps. The coordinator also marks transactions which are already confirmed. That’s the reason IOTA is not distributed yet per definition, but decentralized." And more, the Coordinator is explained here, "https://blog.iota.org/the-transparency-compendium-26aa5bb8e260" I dont think my edits mentioning and explaining how things arein 2017 July, is vandalism. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.237.194 (talk) 11:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@178.78.237.194: i suggest you create a wikipedia account, soon this page will be blocked to IP address users...Then just take a deep breath and join the debate on the page. All of these crypto articles seem to be very passionate... Jtbobwaysf (talk) 12:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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What link is the spam specifically? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 04:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jytdog: Nah, thats not what is going on. Feel free to comment on the talk page in question. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I did already. You are editing aggressively about something you don't understand. Really RTFM -- MEDDEF says that statements by major medical bodies are secondary sources. Jytdog (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, you swear at me on my talk page. Haha, crazy Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha incompetent edit warring on a FA is not acceptable. Jytdog (talk) 22:37, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What's FA mean? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bitcoin scaling problem edit

I am not going to engage in an edit war with you Jtbobwaysf, but you have made a mistake in putting SegWit2x in the "proposed solution" category. The second half of SegWit2x was agreed-upon by the New York Agreement and is going to be implemented by a hard fork in November. Please correct your mistake. --Ben Best:Talk 11:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war? Just change the content the content if you want to and have RS. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Your frivilous nomination failed. Just your attempt at wikibullying. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, please disable the request. I must have a dynamic IP at home and I am now able to edit again for the last 24 hours and have not been able to re-create the issue. Thank you! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@JamesBWatson:, i am having the issue again and today I did write down the IP address. Apologize last time I didn't as I thought my IP would have been recored in my edits. The IP with the issue is xxxxxxxx Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please disregard that message, I had my vpn on and forgot. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I've explained to you why your edits were reverted. I've linked you to WP:BRD, which explains how we handle edit disputes. Instead of answer on the talk page, you template me, someone who has been here 10 years and has 60,000 edits under his belt. Again, read WP:BRD. You were bold and made changes, I reverted them, now the burden is on your to explain your changes on the talk page. The one edit warring is you. You need to read up on policy before you throw templates around. Dennis Brown - 10:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I warned you for edit warring 2RR (which you promptly reverted), and then you come here and post this. This has to be one of my favorite talk page posts to date, I particulaily loved the "someone who has been here 10 years and has 60,000 edits under his belt" part, excellent ;-) Jtbobwaysf (talk) 11:24, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding Segwit2x

The chat with Sriram Jetty shows that he is not even involved, but the website shows him as lead developer. Also, another member Donna Khyuz is a model who has been paid for her name. Also on bitcointalk, they aren't giving any concrete answers.

please note that the revival of Segwit2x has already bought down the Bitcoion and Bitcoin Cash market. Please make the article protected until they clarify.

A user named Timumba is on their team and keep changing the details.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.46.200.207 (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i have blanked the section. Looks dubious. I have also asked for page protection, and we will see if any WP:RS come up about this supposed re-launch of 2x, until now WP:NOTNP applies. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RS discussion?

Hi, you mentioned a discussion at the RS noticeboard, in your revert here. Can you point me to it, i cannot find it, thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 12:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nvm, found it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#digiconomist prokaryotes (talk) 12:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

January 2018

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@NeilN: The same editors who are WP:TE on the bitcoin page are also edit warring on the Ethereum page, and you just yesterday locked the Ethereum article for it. I havent made one edit over at Ethereum, jytdog has been handling that situation. I also did Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#digiconomist about this issue. Your claim that I am edit warring lacks merit, I have been following the protocol. BTW, if you think my position relating to the sources is wrong, just let me know, I would be happy to know. Thanks Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:31, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:EW: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." Working towards consensus is good, but your reverts are still edit warring. --NeilN talk to me 14:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Read the source before reverting

The source you re-added on Ayahuasca only promoted the film they want to make, and is peppered with links to the fundraiser for the film project. It didn't source the content you re-inserted about the arrest. Given all of that, it is basically commercial spam disguised as news. - CorbieV 19:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@CorbieVreccan: Sorry, my bad. I re-added in a newly created popular media section. What do you think about it there? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, I really don't think we should include it at all because it's a fundraising effort. The film isn't finished, so we can't say if it's notable. It's too close to being a commercial link. I can't support re-adding it. - CorbieV 20:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, IPC sections become instantly bombarded with everyone's drug trip stories. No, we don't need that in the article. Let's stop it before it starts. - CorbieV 20:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@CorbieVreccan: ok, good point. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 20:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bitcoin Gold

Introduction

I know I am a new editor here. Thank you for introducing the various information articles about sources and reverting. I have read your information on the talk page, but I can't agree in most cases. First of all in my opinion a discussion about the used sources is better than deleting almost the whole article. It was a lot of work. Please see my further versions to see how much I tried to contribute to the article.

Using the webpage bitcoingold.org and the Roadmaps published by Bitcoin Gold

According to WP:IRS for "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves" when:

  • The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim. - fulfilled
  • It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities). - fulfilled
  • It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject. - fulfilled
  • There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity - fulfilled
  • The article is not based primarily on such sources - fulfilled

Anyway if the source is too questionable there are many other sources available for argumenting the written text.

Other import information deleted by you

Before I started to edit the article I collected information about typical Cryptocurrency articles. I do not know why you deleted it after a long period (financial strategy). A lot of people are interested in this one because it is controversal. Regarding the Ecosystem Chapter: It is very easy to find other sources for approving the information.

Neutrality

As I wrote in the discussion page the whole article is about criticisms. Therefore the neutrality of the article is not given. All the mentioned concerns about the article is valid for the criticism part as well. I used the same publisher as well (for example bitcoin.com). In the end there is only one way. Just a short Introduction and the infobox (like Zcash) or a full article including much more information than now.

Mstroehle (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mstroehle: welcome to wikipedia. It is always a challenge in the beginning to come to terms with the reliable sources requirements. I can tell you that essentially you need to find sources from large newspapers, or even the major industry rags such as coindesk or cointelegraph. If it isn't from those sources the content will get challenge and removed, again and again. In some cases WP:PRIMARY is ok, like if we link to satoshi's whitepaper, or microsoft says something on their corporate website, but in those cases generally the content must be uncontroversial. In general Medium posts wont be allowed, nor will blogs, etc which will all be considered WP:UGC. Please feel free to ask me questions as you go along. Over time you will get it, please stick with it! :-) Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Jtbobwaysf:. Therefore please go into my arguments for "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves". Which one is not fulfilled for bitcoingold.org? Do you agree on my doubts regarding the neutrality of the article? You rejected a part because of using bitcoin.com as source. Therefore the Criticism part is as well WP:IRS? So it has to be removed as well. Mstroehle (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mstroehle: the nuance is essentially primary sources can be used for very very uncotroversial content that is located in a section or on a page that has other WP:IRS. But creating new sections that are only primary sources in most cases will get deleted. It also depends on the subject. For example if we are talking about something historical, say Leland Stanford then primary sources are more likely to be allowed, if we are looking for something like his birthdate, etc. The reason I give Stanford as an example as he is a dead person who died hundreds of years ago, and likely not controverisal. But for a topic that is investment or might be used for promotion, then the editors will be more strict about sources. Is this making sense? You are right, it is all nuanced, and some editors are more strict than others, but in general creating sections on bitcoin, ethereum, etc that are only anchored by primary sources, blogs, etc the content will generally be quickly deleted by someone as there is a concern for abuse, promotion, etc. As you start to edit you will note all the promotional edits that occur every day in topics where there is a chance for some users (I am not saying you) to make money from the edits. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Jtbobwaysf:. Thanks for the comprehensive introduction. Usually I am working and studying in exact and hard fields but I think I got it. It seems to be a lot of politics in wikipedia. I can not handle fuzzy statements. I have only one more request. Please do not sidestep my questions. Can you directly mark the not fulfilled requirements?
  • The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim.
  • It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities).
  • It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject.
  • There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity
  • The article is not based primarily on such sources about
Why did you delete all criticism but not the Fee-topic? Are you going to revert my changes when I am shortening the topic in a way that the article appears like a article about Bitcoin Gold and not about the developer StarbucksBG?
I am going to check the sources which are still used in the article for fulfilling the requirements. I am also going to introduce my planned chapters in the talk page before changing the article. If there are no doubts (lets say for three days) I change the article. I dont want to waste my time writing dozens of sentences which are going to be deleted. Mstroehle (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please check this (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitcoin_Gold&diff=822264983&oldid=821773419) as well: It is about the financial strategy. Less information and less structure. Is this making sense? Mstroehle (talk) 17:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Mstroehle: yes it is quite political. Essentially consensus forms slowly and steadily over many many discussions like we are having. It takes months sometimes. First I agree with you to discuss content on the talk page of the bitcoin gold article so more people can give opinions, as not too many people watch my personal talk page. Next, I deleted the crticism information as it is more controversial and thus needs better sources. Things like facts and figures which are not controversial have a lower quality of sources standard. But everyone has different opinions of all this stuff, so you just have to stick with it over many months and you will get the hang of it! I will check the edit you made and comment over on the talk page of the article. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't undo my edits anymore as they are not warranted and break 3RR

For some reason unknown to me you decided to undo most of my edits from yesterday, clearly breaking the three-revert rule (3RR) citing "WP:SPA adding trash" in a few of your comments. I'm a new user with just a few edits under my belt now, so how can I be a single purpose user if I only made a few edits? This is impossible to determine and clearly you are trying to discourage me from editing which again you are breaking more rules here, not sure why, maybe you don't like my edits. Please stop. I just started and would rather not have someone undoing all the work I did just for a few edits. I backed all my edits with evidence and references and tried my best to follow all the rules. I don't know what your problem is but I'm asking nicely to please stop. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.S.Wiki (talk • contribs) 14:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IOTA Edits

Your sourced article, from The Next Web, MIX, has a known public feud with the IOTA community. https://twitter.com/Mixtatiq/status/966312593077030912 . It contradicts WP:RS guidelines.Xa7v9ier (talk) 13:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Xa7v9ier: i hvae no knowledge of what you are talking about, but if you have an issue with a source my talk page is not the right venue. Take it up on the WP:RSN. Thanks Jtbobwaysf (talk) 13:54, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

March 2018

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April 2018

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bitcoin Cash. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 11:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You should stop removing content you don't like from articles. Only remove content when you have a valid reason for its removal. If you are disputing a fact then please start a discussion. You seem unable or unwilling to work constructively. - Shiftchange (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't appreciate

I don't appreciate your constant mischaracterisation of my edits as promotional when I am just describing and explaining what something is. Why do you feel so compelled? You seen threatened to me. - Shiftchange (talk) 08:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

May 2018

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bitcoin Cash. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. You have been warned at Talk:Bitcoin Cash to not delete the citations confirming the first sentence of the article lead section, but you continue in doing without actual consensus. Note that e.g. The Independent citation confirms that the Bitcoin Cash is a cryptocurrency as well as the claim that it is a payment system. You mentioned at the Talk:Bitcoin Cash page that you wanted to delete the whole article. It is legitimate to propose the deletion, but it is not neutral to delete large parts of the article with such a goal when the consensus with the proposed deletion was not achieved. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blockchain Question re: Inventor -

Hello @Jtbobwaysf

Good point; allow me to add the acknowledgment from the Canadian Intellectual Property Office and the United States Intellectual Property Office within the text itself. While I am the named person, you are correct, as an individual, I am 'not' a reliable source. The government intellectual property offices, on the other hand, ARE a reliable source. Trusting this is to your acceptance.

Best,

Anoop Bungay (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Anoop Bungay: the issue is that the IPO doesnt really prove your claim. I suggest that you create a section on the talk page (the article's talk page, not mine) and 1. identify yourself as a person with a conflict of interest and 2. suggest the following edits. But I think you will need WP:RS to show you created this first. If we just look at the IPO filing, the editor must do his/her own WP:OR to deduce you are the creator. Make sense? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Hello again @Jtbobwaysf, thank you for your quick response.

As an FYI, please see below; you will notices that in USA and Canada, after a IPO certificate is aged 5 years, the claim is incontestable. In our case, when the seminal peer-to-peer lending system built on blockchain technology developed between 2001 and 2005 was brought online; I filed for the trademark in Canada. When you click the citation, you will see that it is aged over five years. Pursuant to international treaties, it is aged in Canada and is deemed incontestable, so too, is it deemed as such elsewhere. Below is the original passage that I wrote. My thinking is that I would be placing this original passage somewhere in the article after the TOC.

What say? A

Oh, sorry to be bore, but this reminds me; when you say "just look at the IPO filing"; please note, these are not "proof of filings" - they are "proof of registration". My preference is to republish the material with your blessing. I will, however, take your advise and also publish the talk page and get other feedback. Best,

Anoop Bungay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoop Bungay (talk • contribs) 06:53, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Internationally accepted (by government & regulators) point of origin for application of blockchain in finance

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) [1], the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)[2] the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO)[3] and their international peer intellectual property organizations (in 191 member states[4]) incontestably [the word "incontestable" is legislatively defined, pursuant to Canada's (a WIPO Member State[5]) Federal Trade-marks Act R.S.C., 1985, c. T-13)[6]; equivalent United States Trademark Law[7] and international jurisdiction equivalents] recognize (pursuant to international intellectual property treaties and conventions[8]) that the world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain 'principles in commerce' was not 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" (these are equivalent terms: see Peer-to-peer lending) electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of currency (commonly referred to as "cryptocurrency"); known by its genericized brand name: "bitcoin"[9] and actually or ostensibly, created by unknown person or persons named "Satoshi Nakamoto"; pursuant to a white paper entitled "Bitcoin: a Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System[10]" first published in the Metzger, Dowdeswell & Co. LLC[11] “Cryptography Mailing List” on Friday, October 31 at 14:10:00 EDT in 2008[12] and a subsequent computer program named: “Bitcoin v0.1" published for release on Thursday January 8 at 14:27:40 EST in 2009[13]; instead, international public trademark records (proof-of-work) indicate that the world's first commercially deployed application of blockchain was 'first used' in the form of a "peer-to-peer (P2P), private, or secret" electronic (binary digit) financial instrument in the form of debt (commonly referred to as "cryptodebt"); known by its internationally registered trademark brand names: "BITMORTGAGE®"[14] [15] [16] (for government regulated cryptodebt instruments, including those secured by real property) and "NONMORTGAGE®"[17] [18] (for non-government regulated cryptodebt instruments, including those not secured by real property), created by Mr. Anoop Bungay; pursuant to a proprietary dissertation entitled: “Binary Digit Debt: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Debt System” [research commenced pursuant to regulatory obligations to the Real Estate Council of Alberta (RECA[19]) at least as early as August 14, 2001[20]] and its corresponding public business implementation: PrivateLender.Org: Canada's Private Lending Network®[21] at least as early as April 9, 2005[22].

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