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Bradv🍁 03:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The MacLellan Clann Iain Mhóir is not the same as the MacDonald Clann Iain Mhóir. The former descends from a seventeenth-century MacLellan, the latter from a fifteenth-century MacDonald. A son of the MacLellan in question is attested as "Angus Mc ean voir in Bellamore" in the 1700s. Another son may a "Donald Mclelane" whose attested on Uist in the 1690s and possibly later in the 1700s. This is all laid out in "Notes on North Uist Families". In short, they're two different families.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 01:20, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Uist MacLellans are a different paternal lineage than MacDonalds, but on Y-DNA the Uist MacLellans age much much older than the 1700s. Clan Iain Moir( of the MacDonalds ) claims MacLellans of Uist as a sept( as well as many their Y-DNA surname matches ) They may be a different paternal lineage than MacDonalds, but they appear to be a sept of Clan Iain Mhoir aka Clan MacDonald of Dunnyveg.

Only those from West Highlands and Islands. Clan Donald MacLellans derive from: Gaelic Mac Gille Fhaolain – "son of the servant of St. Fillan". Very numerous in North Morar – Clan MacDonell of Glengarry, to South Morar, Moidart and South Uist – Clan Macdonald of Clanranald. Also found on Islay and Kintyre – Clan MacDonald of Dunnyveg (Clan Donald SOUTH), and North Uist – Clan Macdonald of Sleat (Clan Donald NORTH). Not to be confused with the Clan MacLellan of Kirkcudbright and Galloway. Chrismccown

please email me at ChristopherMcCown at Yahoo dot com and we can share information easier.Chrismccown (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chris, there is no connection between the Uist MacLellans and the Dunnyveg MacDonalds. The Uist MacLellans were tenants of MacDonald of Clanranald and MacDonald of Sleat. You've simply misinterpreted Clann Iain Mhóir from the Wikipedia article, and have imagined it as a reference to the Dunnyveg MacDonalds. It's not.

As for DNA, in theory one would suspect that most of the Uist MacLellans should be patrilineally related, but even if they are it doesn't mean they are all Clann Iain Mhóir. Literally, it's only John Mor MacLellan's descendants who were known by that name. According to Matheson, there was a tradition that John Mor's grandfather, also named John, was the first of the MacLellans to go to North Uist. So, even isolating MacLellans who trace themselves back to North Uist might not necessarily identify them as Clann Iain Mhóir. To be clear, Clann Iain Mhóir is merely a branch of the Uist MacLellans, and it should be expected that the common ancestor of the Uist MacLellans goes back further than John Mor.

The Uist MacLellans and Uist MacAulays are traditionally said to have arrived on South Uist at the same time. According to Matheson, one tradition of the MacAulays was that the MacAulays came from Na h-Eileanan Tarsainn, which could refer to any of these islands (Matheson thought Coll the most likely). See here for another traditional account of the families (where the informant maintains that the first of the families came to South Uist together in 1500–1525, from Coll or Tiree, and were first cousins): [1].

The traditional Gaelic surname of the Uist MacLellans is variously rendered Mac Gille Fhialain, Mac 'ill' Fhialain, and MacIllFhialain. It's not Mac Gille Fhaolain (or Mac 'Ill' Fhaolain, MacIllFhaolain). I haven't come across an explanation for this differentiation. But it's a fact. Sometimes the Uist MacLellans are known as: Clann MhicIllFhialain (as accorded to them here: [2], [3]), or Clann IllFhialain (as here: [4]), or Clann 'IllFhialain (as here: [5], [6]).--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I would like to see you expand your contribution to this section to explain the full history of these MacLellans and cite of the sources you've been sharing with me regarding the MacLellans of Uist. I think the lack of historical context leads to confusion. I'd also like to see you to modify and provide clarity regarding the MacLellans inclusion in List_of_Septs_of_Clan_Donald which I quoted above. Y-DNA is telling us that Uist/Herbride MacLellan surname is probably as old as surnames get. If you email me( address above ), I'd also like to get you involved in the MacLellan DNA Project as we don't have an expert on the Uist clan.

I still disagree with how you're alluding that Fhialain and Fhaolain are fundamentally different. Fillan name has rarely been spelt the same way twice in various archives. Mac/Mc - Gille/Goila/Il/Ol/El - Fhaolain/Felan/Felyn/Fillan/(Fhialain) etc and has become McGillolane/McClellan/McCleland/MacLellan etc. I'd prefer it if you phased this in a way that didn't suggest there were only two ways that it has been spelled. I have only once seen a Gille followed by a non-saint name( Gille Iosa ) where Iosa means Jesus. Are you suggesting there is a Saint Fhialain that is different from Saint Fhaolain? Even you claim use of the Gaelic form Na Faolanaich, which at it's root is Fhaol. Perhaps if your text was phrased "Historically, Uist MacLellans spelled their name as Mac Gille Fhialain" and make no comment on other MacLellans somehow being different in only using the form of Fhaolain which is somehow different from Fhialain in anything other than who was transcribing it at the time.Chrismccown (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chris, You need to be careful with sourcing these changes and additions. Please familiarize yourself with WP:IRS, and source your work. Personal genealogy and DNA sites, commercial heraldry / coats of arms sites, and unsourced clan or family heritage groups pages are not considered Reliable, usable sources for Wikipedia. I'm also concerned that you are removing Gaelic and substituting anglicized versions of names, and creating unnecessary duplications of names, links and pages. I haven't gone over all your contribs yet, but be aware of not creating unnecessary piped links and redirects when adding things like "See also"s and wikilinks. Thanks. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 20:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give an example? I doubt I have replaced any Gaelic names with anglicized names, if anything I've done the opposite, explaining the Gaelic roots of anglicized names. I have generally only used reliable sources. The name Eoghan has lead to the etymology of many people, places, clans and kingdom names which is why you see so many changes that seem connected, even though they aren't( except their etymology ).Chrismccown (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. I am very concerned with the bad sources and misleading sources you have been adding. You have been adding links to English-language dictionaries, claiming they source Gaelic and Irish words. They do not. Then you are saying in your edit summaries that these "sources" now source what is in a number of places your opinion.[7]. If the source does not source the actual content, it is not a "source." - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 21:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to provide an example as my changes are not disruptive and have reliable sources.Chrismccown (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are examples above. The English dictionaries and wicktionary, plus unsourced personal webpages and included diff. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 21:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are few cases where your sourcing hasn't been misleading, and has actually sourced the changes. For instance, the M'Alpin dictionary, was just a bare url of a pdf, with no page number. That was one of the few that was OK, and it still needed to be cleaned up. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 22:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Clan MacEwen, you may be blocked from editing. You need to back off on this group of articles now. You have declared a Conflict of Interest and now you are edit-warring to preserve content that uses a spelling of the name not even found in Gaelic (Ewyn). Your article on McCown includes content lifted from Ewen and MacEwen sources, and this entire cluster of articles are interconnected, so the COI is for all of them. Your the one who declared and started further linking and copying and pasting the same content into all of them, and using the terrible sourcing. Do not make it worse by undoing the cleanup edits. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 22:28, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]