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<ref name="Econlib">{{cite web |last1=Henderson |first1=David |authorlink1=David R. Henderson |title=A Conservative Irony |url=https://www.econli b.org/a-conservative-irony/ |website=[[Econlib]] |publisher=[[Liberty Fund]] |accessdate=23 June 2019 |date=9 June 2019}}</ref> |
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Should surname [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]s be deprecated? -- |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Ace of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Jack of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Ten of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Nine of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Seven of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Six of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Five of]] |
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* [[Special:PrefixIndex/Four of]] |
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* [[ace of spades]] |
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* [[king of spades]] |
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* [[queen of spades]] |
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* [[jack of spades]] |
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* [[ten of spades]] |
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* [[nine of spades]] |
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* [[eight of spades]] |
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* [[seven of spades]] |
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* [[six of spades]] |
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* [[five of spades]] |
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* [[four of spades]] |
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* [[three of spades]] |
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* [[two of spades]] |
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* [[Ace of Spades]] |
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* [[King of Spades]] |
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* [[Queen of Spades]] |
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* [[Jack of Spades]] |
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* [[Ten of Spades]] |
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* [[Nine of Spades]] |
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* [[Eight of Spades]] |
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* [[Seven of Spades]] |
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* [[Six of Spades]] |
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* [[Five of Spades]] |
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* [[Four of Spades]] |
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* [[Three of Spades]] |
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* [[Two of Spades]] |
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* [[ace of clubs]] |
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* [[king of clubs]] |
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* [[queen of clubs]] |
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* [[jack of clubs]] |
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* [[ten of clubs]] |
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* [[nine of clubs]] |
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* [[eight of clubs]] |
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* [[seven of clubs]] |
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* [[six of clubs]] |
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* [[five of clubs]] |
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* [[four of clubs]] |
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* [[three of clubs]] |
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* [[two of clubs]] |
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* [[Ace of Clubs]] |
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* [[King of Clubs]] |
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* [[Queen of Clubs]] |
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* [[Jack of Clubs]] |
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* [[Ten of Clubs]] |
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* [[Nine of Clubs]] |
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* [[Eight of Clubs]] |
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* [[Seven of Clubs]] |
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* [[Six of Clubs]] |
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* [[Five of Clubs]] |
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* [[Four of Clubs]] |
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* [[Three of Clubs]] |
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* [[Two of Clubs]] |
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* [[ace of hearts]] |
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* [[king of hearts]] |
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* [[queen of hearts]] |
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* [[jack of hearts]] |
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* [[ten of hearts]] |
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* [[nine of hearts]] |
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* [[eight of hearts]] |
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* [[seven of hearts]] |
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* [[six of hearts]] |
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* [[five of hearts]] |
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* [[four of hearts]] |
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* [[three of hearts]] |
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* [[two of hearts]] |
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* [[Ace of Hearts]] |
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* [[King of Hearts]] |
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* [[Queen of Hearts]] |
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* [[Jack of Hearts]] |
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* [[Ten of Hearts]] |
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* [[Nine of Hearts]] |
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* [[Eight of Hearts]] |
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* [[Seven of Hearts]] |
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* [[Six of Hearts]] |
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* [[Five of Hearts]] |
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* [[Four of Hearts]] |
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* [[Three of Hearts]] |
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* [[Two of Hearts]] |
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# The first mention of a person should be wikilinked to the article about them. Later mentions often don't need to be linked ([[MOS:REPEATLINK]]) |
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# The first mention of a person should make use of their full name (ie <First name> <Last name>, or commonly-used name). Later mentions then use only the last name, for brevity ([[MOS:SURNAME]]) |
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* [[ace of diamonds]] |
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# Most biographical articles have titles in the form <First name> <Last name>, or are some other commonly-used name ([[WP:NCPEOPLE]], disambiguation aside). |
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* [[king of diamonds]] |
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* [[queen of diamonds]] |
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I believe these principles have generally strong support. Taken together, we reach this conclusion: |
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* [[jack of diamonds]] |
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:The first mention of a person should use their full name (<First name> <Last name>, or commonly-used name), based on the title of the article about them and wikilinked to it. Subsequent mentions should use their surname only and not be wikilinked. |
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* [[ten of diamonds]] |
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* [[nine of diamonds]] |
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In other words, there should be almost no editorial use case for surname [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]s if editors are following good practices. |
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* [[eight of diamonds]] |
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* [[seven of diamonds]] |
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;Searching |
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* [[six of diamonds]] |
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One argument is that surname [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]s aid with searching. This is only true for people that use the internal search box and does not apply to the vast majority of readers who visit by using external search engines, which deliver them directly to the right article, ignoring any redirects. The absence of surname redirects will perhaps inconvenience some (slightly, by adding an additional click of a link that will likely be at the top of the [[WP:DABPAGE]] or [[WP:NAMELIST]] anyway), but removal will actually aid everyone else who is searching for other content using that term because they will be taken directly to a DABPAGE or NAMELIST . This is the exact same scenario as keeping these redirects (searchers have to click a hatnote link to a DABPAGE or NAMELIST) - no matter which direction we went, some internal searchers will be inconvenienced by an extra click, and so this issue is a stalemate and should be minimized from consideration. |
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* [[five of diamonds]] |
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* [[four of diamonds]] |
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;Case study |
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* [[three of diamonds]] |
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In preparing this, I took the quintessential [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]] example of [[Einstein]] and reviewed how it was being used. I found 334 links to [[Einstein]] and ran through them. I replaced first mentions with <First name> <Last name> (linked using simply [[Albert Einstein]]) and removed any repetitious links. |
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* [[two of diamonds]] |
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}} |
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My conclusion is that surname [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]s should be deprecated because they promote bad editorial practice related to mentions of people. This would not affect other non-biographical uses of [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]s. -- |
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* [[Ace of Diamonds]] |
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* [[King of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Queen of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Jack of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Ten of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Nine of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Eight of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Seven of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Six of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Five of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Four of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Three of Diamonds]] |
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* [[Two of Diamonds]] |
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Revision as of 01:44, 28 April 2020
Should surname WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs be deprecated? --
- Editorial principles
- The first mention of a person should be wikilinked to the article about them. Later mentions often don't need to be linked (MOS:REPEATLINK)
- The first mention of a person should make use of their full name (ie <First name> <Last name>, or commonly-used name). Later mentions then use only the last name, for brevity (MOS:SURNAME)
- Most biographical articles have titles in the form <First name> <Last name>, or are some other commonly-used name (WP:NCPEOPLE, disambiguation aside).
I believe these principles have generally strong support. Taken together, we reach this conclusion:
- The first mention of a person should use their full name (<First name> <Last name>, or commonly-used name), based on the title of the article about them and wikilinked to it. Subsequent mentions should use their surname only and not be wikilinked.
In other words, there should be almost no editorial use case for surname WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs if editors are following good practices.
- Searching
One argument is that surname WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs aid with searching. This is only true for people that use the internal search box and does not apply to the vast majority of readers who visit by using external search engines, which deliver them directly to the right article, ignoring any redirects. The absence of surname redirects will perhaps inconvenience some (slightly, by adding an additional click of a link that will likely be at the top of the WP:DABPAGE or WP:NAMELIST anyway), but removal will actually aid everyone else who is searching for other content using that term because they will be taken directly to a DABPAGE or NAMELIST . This is the exact same scenario as keeping these redirects (searchers have to click a hatnote link to a DABPAGE or NAMELIST) - no matter which direction we went, some internal searchers will be inconvenienced by an extra click, and so this issue is a stalemate and should be minimized from consideration.
- Case study
In preparing this, I took the quintessential WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT example of Einstein and reviewed how it was being used. I found 334 links to Einstein and ran through them. I replaced first mentions with <First name> <Last name> (linked using simply Albert Einstein) and removed any repetitious links.
My conclusion is that surname WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs should be deprecated because they promote bad editorial practice related to mentions of people. This would not affect other non-biographical uses of WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs. --