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Statement by Kww

In 2008, Renée Gielen prepared a documentary on the Natalee Holloway disappearance. It aired on TeleAruba on Nov 8, 2008. This documentary was covered in major Dutch and Antillean news sources, such as De Telegraaf [1], the Antillians Dagblad and the Amigoe. The documentary can still be viewed on various online video sources by searching under the titles "Unrevealed Timelines" and for Renée Gielen. Since copyright of those online copies are suspect, I'm not directly linking to them here. A legal DVD copy is available at bol.com. As a whole, the documentary is not usable as a source by Wikipedia: it took statements by subjects out of context and twisted them into a fairly bizarre conspiracy theory that no responsible news source took seriously.

However, the Amigoe, a regional newspaper publishing out of Curacao since 1883, with international offices throughout the former Netherlands Antilles, had the opportunity to review the raw interview tapes and published an analysis of statements by Gerold Dompig and Julia Renfro, two figures that were intimately involved in the search for Holloway. Gerold Dompig was the Deputy Chief of Police for Aruba and head investigator into the disappearance. Julia Renfro, head editor of Aruba Today and photographer for Bon Dia, acted as Beth Holloway's guide and assistant on the island during the early days of the investigation. These two individuals have been interviewed multiple times by multiple news sources, including NBC, CNN, Vanity Fair, and the Los Angeles Times. Their statements indicated that Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty were ready to evacuate their daughter from the island immediately and extra-legally if necessary, having secured the services of a medical evacuation jet. They also indicated, in material largely echoed by Vanity Fair, that Beth and Jug acted on rumors that Natalee was being held captive in a crack house.

Given that the Amigoe is the oldest and most established newspaper in the area, the material reviewed was not the suspect documentary but was the raw footage, the notability and relevance of the people making the statements is not in doubt, and the material is not particularly negative (most parents of means would have been willing to do anything possible to rescue their daughter from the situation that she was rumoured to be in), there isn't a BLP issue here.

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The documentary accused Natalee's mother of lying and knowing where Natalee was. That's what the former mention of drug dens (now removed from DoHN article's Amigoe section) and the still extant mention of a mysterious medjet implies. Amigoe decided to report on this documentary.

About Amigoe, source The Newslife: From Arkansas to Aruba Page 530: "No Aruban needed American media to tell them ...that Amigoe would defend Joran until the very end, if there ever was to be an ending".

About Renfro,The Newslife: From Arkansas to Aruba Page 228 "Renfro with her hippie persona, and alternative point of view that did not claim the suspects were the whole story, made for an effective guest on cable the entire summer." In the Vanity Fair article it says Renfo accused Natalee's father of assaulting her.

About Dompig: In Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise page 184 it says in October 2006 Dompig was quoted in an Aruban newspaper calling for an investigation into the money Natalee's mother got from the Natalee Holloway fund. Dompig was suggesting Natalee's mother knew where Natalee was, but was using her disappearance to make money off of. In Secrets Can be Murder: What America's Most Sensational Crimes Tell Us. P294 it says in March 2006 "Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig, at the time the lead investigator on the Holloway case. Dompig made a stunning allegation, not against Joran but against Natalee Holloway herself, telling a CBS correspondent that Natalee was "“using way too much alcohol in combinations which could basically be lethal.” ... Natalee probably went into shock and collapsed and died and that whatever crime did occur was not a murder, but merely ..." He said the FBI threatened him and interfered in his investigation.

Amigoe is a newspaper that was known to be pro Joran Van Der Sloot, and it did a report on a crazy documentary's interviews with people who have expressed certain views about Holloway's parents, and the case that are not mainstream, and that was the source for the Amigoe reproducing these contentious allegations. "During the interviews, Renfro and Dompig ... indicate that..." For those allegations to be in a Wikipedia article (without any rebuttal whatsoever) there has to be a better source for them. There has to be evidence that other sources paid attention to these theories. This was a very heavily covered case in the American media and there is nothing. Only one Dutch language local, the Amigoe, took anything in the interviews at all seriously; that a couple of Dutch language papers simply mention the documentary exists does not constitute a basis for using them as sources for theories and allegations expounded by interviewees. WP:BLPSOURCES "Material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources". That concludes what I have to say about the Amigoe article section.

Kww said "The reason I listed diffs on multiple issues was to demonstrate the pattern. There's a reason I included the phrase "the particular section he is after at this point" in my description. Once this one is past, another will inevitably come up an result in the same interminable repetition." No, I have lost heart with trying to alter the other parts of the article because that is a matter of weight which is very difficult to demonstrate. However I'll explain what I think is a pattern of inappropriate weight in a single observation: the lede of Disappearance of Natalee Holloway mentions that Joran van der Sloot was the last to be seen with Natalee, but not that he murdered a girl in Peru 5 years after Natalee disappeared while with him. The editors who want me banned from the topic say that Peru murder by Joran van der Sloot, which is in the main body of the article, absolutely can not be in the lead.Overagainst (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


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