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* {{Tl|Merge}}
:''[[Template_talk:Merge/archive2|Archive 2]]''
* {{Tl|Merge to}}
:''[[Template_talk:Merge/Voting_archive|Voting archive]]''
* {{Tl|Merge from}}
* {{Tl|Merging}}


Please be clear in your comments which template you are referring to.
:''[[Template_talk:Mergewith/Archive|"Mergewith" (superseded) discussion archive]]''


Only some of these templates have been [[Wikipedia:High-risk templates|protected]]. But since these templates should work similarly, please discuss any changes on this talk page first. Any user can edit the documentation, add interwikis and categories, since as usual the /doc sub-pages are not protected.
==Usage==


== Template-protected edit request on 17 August 2022 ==
Please note that the wording and visual style of these templates were determined via formal [[Template_talk:Merge/Voting_archive|votes]].<br>
{{Wikipedia:Template messages/Merging and splitting}}


{{edit template-protected|Template:Merge from|answered=yes}}


:==Preposition to merge an item==
=="no need to place the editor's note on thousands of pages"==
: It appears that the article [[List of Lithuanian monarchs]] (Wikipedia item ID: Q111379094), along with its counterpart in French, should be merged with another set of articles (Wikipedia item ID: Q2639920) where currently an article in English does not exist. --[[User:SeriousThinker|SeriousThinker]] ([[User talk:SeriousThinker|talk]]) 13:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC) [[User:SeriousThinker|SeriousThinker]] ([[User talk:SeriousThinker|talk]]) 10:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
:: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' this is the [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] for discussing improvements to the [[Help:Template|template]] {{tlx|Merge}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


::{{ec}} There is a redirect, [[Grand Duke of Lithuania]], here in the English ''Wikipedia'', so there is no need to merge. If there is material from another-language ''Wikipedia'' with which to create the Grand Duke article here that might be a good way to go. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>14:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</small>
Huh? Unless [[Wikipedia:Template substitution|substitution]] is performed &mdash; which isn't (and shouldn't be) done with this template &mdash; the only code that appears is <nowiki>{{merge|Other item}}</nowiki>. &mdash;[[User:Lifeisunfair|Lifeisunfair]] 18:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


== Edit request 1 August 2023 ==
: <nowiki>"{{merge|Other item}}"</nowiki> appears in the wikitext, but it is expanded into the content of the template in articles, of course ("It has been suggested that this article..."). The HTML comment will not be visible on the page, but it will be extra bytes of comment code unnecessarily, and meaninglessly in that context, transmitted along with the web page's code. It's not a big deal, but since Wikipedia is one of the busiest sites on the Internet, we can be environmentally responsible by not pushing out extra bytes needlessly. I moved the HTML comment to the &lt;noinclude> section of the template, so it will appear to editors of the template, but will not be included in Wikipedia articles. ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-11-29&nbsp;20:56&nbsp;Z</small>''


{{Edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
::You're mistaken. Such comments are '''''not''''' transcluded; they do '''''not''''' appear in the HTML source of articles containing the template. &mdash;[[User:Lifeisunfair|Lifeisunfair]] 21:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


'''Description of suggested change:'''
::: Does the Wikimedia template mechanism strip comments during expansion? I did not know that, but it would make sense. Sorry to force a rebuild. ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-11-29&nbsp;21:30&nbsp;Z</small>''
make the example something normal <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Michael21107|Michael21107]] ([[User talk:Michael21107#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michael21107|contribs]]) 16:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->
: Huh? You'll need to be much more specific about what exactly you want changed for this to get implemented. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::the example says <nowiki>''a page that has not been specified. If you are the editor who added this template, please specify.''</nowiki>...would be good to have it a normal example [[User:Michael21107|Michael H]] ([[User talk:Michael21107|talk]]) 19:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::: The example at the top is exactly what the template renders as when given no parameters. This is standard practice in template namespace and should not be changed without a good reason. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 00:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
:apologies for not signing, i forget [[User:Michael21107|Michael H]] ([[User talk:Michael21107|talk]]) 19:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== [[Template:Merge to]] display issue ==
::::<font style="color:#00A650;">''"Does the Wikimedia template mechanism strip comments during expansion?"''</font>


By default, {{tlx|Merge to}} produces output that reads "<nowiki>([[|Discuss]])</nowiki>" if you don't specify a {{para|discuss}} value; {{tlx|Merge from}} doesn't have this issue. I'm guessing that we should have them do the same thing. I would surmise that the best thing to do in both cases (though it might use different code in the two templates) is include a link to the talk page of the merge-to target, since that is the default location to discuss any merge. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 14:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
::::Yes, the comments are automatically omitted. (See for yourself.)


== Date display issue (in all these templates) ==
::::<font style="color:#00A650;">''"I did not know that, but it would make sense. Sorry to force a rebuild."''</font>


This whole family of templates are unhelpfully displaying "<nowiki>Proposed since {{{date}}}.</nowiki>", when no {{para|date}} value has been specified. This entire item should probably just be suppressed in such a case (and a bot will date-fix it later anyway; there's no reason for it to be ugly and confusing in the short interim). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 14:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
::::No problem. :) &mdash;[[User:Lifeisunfair|Lifeisunfair]] 22:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::To be clear, this isn't template-specific; the MediaWiki software ''never'' includes such comments in the HTML code (irrespective of namespace). &mdash;[[User:Lifeisunfair|Lifeisunfair]] 22:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== i just added optional parameters for changing the discussion links to mergefrom and mergeto ==

i did this to allow for a large block of very similar mergers to be discussed together. [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 00:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== svg images ==

I just created [[Scalable Vector Graphics|svg]] versions of the merge images.
[[image:Merge-arrows.svg|60px]]
[[image:Mergefrom.svg|50px]]
[[image:Mergeto.svg|50px]]
Feel free to switch to them. I would have done it myself, but the templates are protected. --[[User:Easyas12c|Easyas12c]] 20:53, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:No offense intended, but...
:1. Your versions contain alpha transparencies, which <span class="plainlinks">[http://lifeisunfair.org/ie_view2.png render improperly]</span> for most users. (Note the gray background.)
:2. Your versions are simplified in appearance. (They lack the intersecting red and blue lines that ensure that neither arrow/diamond is in front of the other.)
:3. While potentially useful in another context, your versions offer no apparent technical advantages for this application.

:&mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 21:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::1. Damn I always tend to forget how badly [[Internet Explorer|IE]] sucks, because I stopped caring about that a long time ago. If software is broken I don't see a reason for supporting its bugs, specially when they are only cosmetic. But I do understand Wikipedia in general may think otherwise.
::2. This simplicity is a bad thing?
::3. Better compatibility for different user specific themes and browser default stylings, and also posibility to choose the display size and even specifying it relatively against display device and screen resolution, without blurring the image.
::--[[User:Easyas12c|Easyas12c]] 19:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::1. I don't like IE any more than you do, but we certainly shouldn't punish its users.
:::2. I'm not saying that the simplicity is bad, but I prefer the interlinking design to the superimposed design. I also prefer 100% opacity. Of course, I designed the icons, so I'm not exactly impartial.
:::3. Could you cite an example of such an implementation?
:::&mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 03:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::::1. We should not make it unusable in IE, but if it just looks ugly, then it is a fair punishment (earned by using IE).
::::2. I did it that way just because it was easier to do it that way in svg. I created these along with three images for [[Wikipedia:Requested copyright examinations]] ([[:image:External-content-examination.svg|1]], [[:image:External-content-included.svg|2]] and [[:image:External-content-excluded.svg|3]]). I wanted them to look consistent with the merge symbols, but I wanted them to be SVG, so I could not use the current ones. Thats why I created the new ones.
::::3. Using Wikipedia with firefox is such implementation. First firefox has its default styling (different from IE). I can also use my own style sheet as my default Firefox style (with dark background for example). Media wiki does the rendering, so it can render the images to different sizes.
::::--[[User:Easyas12c|Easyas12c]] 23:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I do like the look of Easyas12c's arrows. Would re-creating the SVG files with solid white backgrounds be the solution? Out of curiosity, does PNG transparency work in the latest IE7 beta?

Anyone know why Wikipedia's SVG renderer retains transparency, if it isn't desirable? ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2006-01-17&nbsp;03:09&nbsp;Z</small>''

:<font style="color:#00A650;">''Would re-creating the SVG files with solid white backgrounds be the solution?''</font>

:No, solid white backgrounds would be no better. The current icons have ''transparent'' backgrounds.

:<font style="color:#00A650;">''Out of curiosity, does PNG transparency work in the latest IE7 beta?''</font>

:PNG transparency works in IE6, but only with 8-bit files. The current icons could be converted from GIFs to 8-bit PNGs, but the size difference would be negligible (and some other browsers&mdash;such as older versions of IE, Opera and Netscape Navigator&mdash;display 8-bit PNGs improperly).

:I would assume that IE7 handles all PNG files correctly, but IE6 will remain commonly used for years to come.

:<font style="color:#00A650;">''Anyone know why Wikipedia's SVG renderer retains transparency, if it isn't desirable?''</font>

:The alternative (assigning a background color) would cause the image to display improperly in '''all''' browsers (including those that can handle alpha transparencies). &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 03:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== Please add category sort key ==

This template is protected. It needs a sort key added to the category link, so
:<tt><nowiki>[[Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates]]</nowiki></tt>
needs to change to
:<tt><nowiki>[[Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki></tt>
&ndash; [[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] <sup>[[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''&bull;'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]]</sup> 01:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC

:Done. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 13:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

==New graphic==
Can someone please replace the existing GIF image with [[:Image:Merge Arrow.svg]]? This should be identical in form to the previous image, but as a vector graphic, it's much more scalable and won't pixelate if we want to change the resolution. The page is protected so I can't edit it. <TT>[[User:Crotalus horridus|Crotalus horridus]] <SMALL>([[User talk:Crotalus horridus|TALK]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crotalus horridus|CONTRIBS]])</SMALL></TT> 08:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:Please see the "[[Template talk:Merge#svg images|svg images]]" discussion above. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 00:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Like AFD ==

Why not make a voting thing to merge like in V/AFD --[[User:FlareNUKE|FlareNUKE]] 00:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:As I explained on your talk page, no formal approval process is needed; editors may [[Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|boldly]] merge and split pages as they see fit. In the event of uncertainty or disagreement, a simple discussion (and possibly a [[straw poll]]) is the appropriate course of action. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 00:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Why do these go on articles, not talk pages? ==

Just a question. Why do the mergeto/mergefrom/etc templates go on the article page, not on the talk page? I guess it's a tradeoff between being visible and not, but I would have thought the talk page was more appropriate? Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 12:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

:This was the subject of some debate, and the prevailing sentiment was that it's important to alert readers (not merely editors), particularly given the fact that the other article might contain the information that they seek. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 12:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:36, 14 December 2023

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Template-protected edit request on 17 August 2022[edit]

==Preposition to merge an item==
It appears that the article List of Lithuanian monarchs (Wikipedia item ID: Q111379094), along with its counterpart in French, should be merged with another set of articles (Wikipedia item ID: Q2639920) where currently an article in English does not exist. --SeriousThinker (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC) SeriousThinker (talk) 10:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Merge}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) There is a redirect, Grand Duke of Lithuania, here in the English Wikipedia, so there is no need to merge. If there is material from another-language Wikipedia with which to create the Grand Duke article here that might be a good way to go. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 14:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 1 August 2023[edit]

Description of suggested change: make the example something normal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael21107 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? You'll need to be much more specific about what exactly you want changed for this to get implemented. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the example says ''a page that has not been specified. If you are the editor who added this template, please specify.''...would be good to have it a normal example Michael H (talk) 19:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The example at the top is exactly what the template renders as when given no parameters. This is standard practice in template namespace and should not be changed without a good reason. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
apologies for not signing, i forget Michael H (talk) 19:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Merge to display issue[edit]

By default, {{Merge to}} produces output that reads "([[|Discuss]])" if you don't specify a |discuss= value; {{Merge from}} doesn't have this issue. I'm guessing that we should have them do the same thing. I would surmise that the best thing to do in both cases (though it might use different code in the two templates) is include a link to the talk page of the merge-to target, since that is the default location to discuss any merge.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  14:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Date display issue (in all these templates)[edit]

This whole family of templates are unhelpfully displaying "Proposed since {{{date}}}.", when no |date= value has been specified. This entire item should probably just be suppressed in such a case (and a bot will date-fix it later anyway; there's no reason for it to be ugly and confusing in the short interim).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  14:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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