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Can Planned by be added as parameter? Or can we continue using "Created by" and "Developed by"? The South Korean infobox has it and a lot of articles (TV series articles) use it. Manly, a planner is a production manager that oversees the production company and help it plan the work. He is not part of the production company or it is an entire different company that help plan everything before the production company start shooting. So far people have been using "Created by" and "Developed by" since there is no "Planned by". May question is, which is the correct parameter for this? CherryPie94 (talk)

Hello! Is it possible to add a parameter concerning the state of the series. It should denote which situation the series is in. If it is in production or cancelled. It is important for those who are interested in the series in general. Status should denote which situation the series is in. It can be of importance for the followers of the series. --88.89.14.37 (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could a parameter for choreographer be added? Some shows have a significant amount of dancing or dance numbers, and the choreographer is really of interest in those cases. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Schazjmd: Hey there, just a friendly note that it might be helpful to other editors who might be interested in scope if you could provide some examples of shows that might need this parameter as well as maybe expanding a bit on how prolific those shows might be in whatever culture you are referring to. As someone who usually polices Indian film and TV articles, I can sometimes see the need for other parameters that might be more specific to non-western-style TV. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some examples of current articles where the choreographer parameter would be useful are Glee, Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist, Smash (TV series), Cop Rock, Soundtrack, and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Schazjmd (talk) 14:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This section either shouldn't be present or should be overhauled, at least for US TV. Unlike in film, 'Producer' is not a particularly notable position in US TV, and the vast majority of the time it refers to medium-ranking writers, who exist below EPs, Co-EPs and Supervising Producers in the hierarchy - the latter two obviously not being included in the template as it exists. The exception to this are people who get a 'Produced by' credit. 115.70.7.33 (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the parameter should remain, as it remains relevant for shows produced in the U.K. and other countries. However, the parameter should be ignored for U.S. shows for the reasons you have stated (it makes no sense to list producers but not co-exec. or supervising producers who outrank them), and this should be noted in the template documentation. I think it's fine for just the executive producers to be included for U.S. shows. Jimmio78 (talk) 03:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add a steaming release information parameter something? Perhaps under the release section or its own section. My7thsecret (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? When you say "steaming release information", do you mean that a show was originally released on Netflix and you want to add the date? Or do you mean a show that was originally released on ABC and then 7 months later was released on Netflix and you want to add that information? --Gonnym (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The second one, yes. My7thsecret (talk) 15:42, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We normally only record the first date that a program airs on its original network, not subsequent releases on other networks. If we did otherwise, infoboxes would be filled with release dates on subsequent networks. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:50, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is helpful specially if you are looking for a show's (past and current) streaming home. My7thsecret (talk) 15:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With streaming rights this isn't very useful. A show can be on Netfix Singapore, but not on Netflix US, while in the US it can be on Hulu and in Canada on a different one. Which one do you add? --Gonnym (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No need for the streaming release date. Just the name of the streaming service will do. Release date will be exclusive to its first release. My7thsecret (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Only those shows with exclusivity will have that info. The Mandalorian or the The Witcher, for example, which are available in Disney+ and Netflix, respectively, in all locations. My7thsecret (talk) 15:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Simpson's also. My7thsecret (talk) 15:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you want that, but I've explained the issues and so did AussieLegend. For shows like Mandalorian and Witcher, they are already listed as such as that is the original network. Anything else does not belong in the infobox. I won't reply anymore to this issue. --Gonnym (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll further add that this is something best handled in the body of the article, maybe in the "Broadcast" section. --AussieLegend (✉) 23:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there... so for a quick run-down of the situation, America's Got Talent has had many judges on the show since it began in 2006. With Sofía Vergara announced yesterday, she will be the 12th person to be a judge on the show. As a result, I think the infobox is getting a bit crowded.

Yesterday, I changed it to be "starring" instead of "judges" in the infobox as per MOS:TV#Infobox. However, since then, it's been changed up a bit (as the history shows...), and now reverted back to the full list of judges over the years. So what should be done here?

Personally, I think it would be fine to change it to "starring" and only have the current judges, and then for the "presented by", remove past hosts and just keep the current one listed. Seems a bit too much, especially with a table further in the article listing all of these people anyways.

Other shows and how their pages handle it (keeping everyone listed) has been brought up as well, including American Idol, Grey's Anatomy, and Britain's Got Talent. The Voice also lists everyone in the infobox. However, should be noted that WP:OSE exists- just because these other articles are doing it, doesn't mean AGT needs to too. In fact, they could be doing it wrong in the first place.

Also, not to be rude/bash on the other two users involved in this, but I had a talk page message about this since July 2019, with no response from anyone. Even with the recent edits on the page yesterday regarding this, no discussion whatsoever held there, only through edit summaries, which doesn't help that much.

Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging GUtt01 and Heartfox to this as well. Magitroopa (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your trying to fix a problem by creating a different problem. Don't make up titles. A judge is not a "starring" role. Those are completely different TV series and functions. The real issue is sadly unrelated to this or any show, but the fact that the initial design of the infobox even let seasonal staff positions to be used in the overall infobox. This means that it will always be a spam-list, whether it's a full starring cast for long series, judges, writers, directors or others. If any list is too long, you have only 2 real solutions. Either decide that a long list is fine and keep it as is, or use a "See list" and link it to somewhere in the article which lists them. Using incorrect infobox parameters, or using the series infobox as a season infobox are both options that the infobox does not support or allow. --Gonnym (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the infobox is suitable for the program, in terms of identifying members by their role - switching Judge to Starring is a mistake, and problematic, since that states something else for a televised competition. In regards to the length of entries for those sections in the Infobox I'd say we vote on one particular option, suggested by Gonnym, we could implement - using a "See List" option. If there's a deadlock on this matter, recommend a RfC to gain further input on the matter. GUtt01 (talk) 15:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I hope this is the right place for this discussion. Can someone clarify what the "Country of origin" parameter should indicate? I'm contributing to these articles about US/Italian co-productions and I have a few doubts:

• My Brilliant Friend - Rai / HBO co-production
• The New Pope – Sky Atlantic (Italy) / HBO / Canal+ co-production
• The Young Pope – Sky Atlantic (Italy) / HBO / Canal+ co-production
• We Are Who We Are – Sky Atlantic (Italy) / HBO co-production
• ZeroZeroZero – Sky Atlantic (Italy) / Amazon Studios / Canal+ co-production

Given that:

1. A production company is the executive company physically producing the series and is hired by a network (sometimes through a mediator production company or department within a network like Rai Fiction for Rai and HBO Entertainment for HBO).
2. A commissioning channel/network is the channel financing the series and the one broadcasting it for the first time. If more channels are commissioning the series, the original release date is the one of the first channel AMONG those which have commissioned the series.
3. A distributor is a company who sells the series internationally to non-commissioning channels/networks.
4. A location is the country or countries where the series is filmed.

In the case of My Brilliant Friend, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Fandango (Italian), Umedia (international), The Apartment (Italian), Mowe (Italian). The commissioning channels are Rai 1 (Italian) and HBO (American), with the first season airing in the US first and the second in Italy first (as indicated in the "First shown in" parameter in the template). The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series is filmed in Italy. As of now the listed countries of origin are Italy, United States.

In the case of The Young Pope and The New Pope, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Haut et Court TV (French), Mediapro (Spanish), The Apartment (Italian, New Pope only). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), HBO (American), Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series are filmed in Italy (both) and in the US (Young Pope only). As of now the countries of origin are Italy, France, Spain.

In the case of We Are Who We Are, the production companies are The Apartment (Italian), Wildside (Italian), Small Forward (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian) and HBO (American), with first release unknown yet. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy. As of now the countries of origin are Italy, United States.

In the case of ZeroZeroZero, the production companies are Cattleya (Italian) and Bartleby Film (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), Amazon (American) and Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy, Mexico, United States, Senegal, Morocco. As of now the country of origin is Italy.

So, my question is: WHAT SHOULD COUNTRY OF ORIGIN REFER TO? The country/ies of the production companies, the country/ies of the commissioning channels, the country/ies of the distributor, the country/ies of filming or a mixture of some or all of these?

--TheVampire (talk) 14:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've always viewed it as "who owns the show". In today's day and age, you frequently have multiple production companies from around the world, and they don't all provide equal portions. It's whatever the main company can do to cut costs, and so I don't necessarily see the list of production companies as the way of determining "country of origin". I don't particularly like the idea of "Country of origin" anyway, because there's an implicit idea of "where did it start", but that's not indicative of where it's from necessarily.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:23, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]