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Can '''Planned by''' be added as parameter? Or can we continue using "Created by" and "Developed by"?
Can '''Planned by''' be added as parameter? Or can we continue using "Created by" and "Developed by"?
The South Korean infobox has it and a lot of articles (TV series articles) use it. Manly, a planner is a production manager that oversees the production company and help it plan the work. He is not part of the production company or it is an entire different company that help plan everything before the production company start shooting. So far people have been using "Created by" and "Developed by" since there is no "Planned by". May question is, which is the correct parameter for this? [[User:CherryPie94|CherryPie94]] ([[User talk:CherryPie94|talk]])
The South Korean infobox has it and a lot of articles (TV series articles) use it. Manly, a planner is a production manager that oversees the production company and help it plan the work. He is not part of the production company or it is an entire different company that help plan everything before the production company start shooting. So far people have been using "Created by" and "Developed by" since there is no "Planned by". May question is, which is the correct parameter for this? [[User:CherryPie94|CherryPie94]] ([[User talk:CherryPie94|talk]])

== Template instructions ==

{{Infobox television/sandbox
| show_name = Example
| cast = John Smith
Fred McMurray
| writers = Not the ones who wrote the GoT final season
| creative producer = Someone else
| original network = syndication
| date aired = 12 February 1999 - 30 February 2001
}}
{{cl|Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters}} is a category that I check at least twice daily and there are normally 5 or more articles in there with errors. It occurred to me that it might help editors if there was a link to the infobox insructions in the infobox. This doesn't need to be there all the time, only when the editor is previewing, which is when they get warning of any invalid fields in the infobox. To see this in action, edit the adjacent infobox and then preview the results. I've added some actual fields that I've seen to give you some idea of the things people are adding. I've tested the changes and can't see any issues. Does anyone have any issues with adding the code to the infobox? --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 08:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
* Wouldn't just modifying the warning red text be better? At first glance I missed the link you added as I was looking at the warnings, but with a very long infobox, I really think the below link will be missed. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 08:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
**The main thing is to have a link to the instructions. The method we use is not that important to me. I realise that a lot of editors are going to ignore the instructions anyway regardless of where we have it, even if there were bells, whistles and someone jumping through the screen and punching them in the face. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 09:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
***I have no issue with anything that makes maintenance better. I personally think that the warning message should be edited (as I've done in the sandbox which you can see in the preview), as it makes it much more noticeable, but have no issue if you think the link in below works better. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
****I think both are useful. While it may seem an overkill to have both, the warning messages won't exist in a properly functioning template but editors expanding an infobox will still have a link to the instructions. The links only exist in preview mode so it's not going to affect anything once save is pressed. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 10:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
*****Sure, no issue with me to having both, with a small caveat that if in the future a legitimate use of the "below" line is needed, this won't be an obstacle to implement it. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
******I can't see that as an issue. In any case, I just had an "interesting" discussion with another editor after I removed the dates against presenters' names at [[Press Your Luck]]. My edit summary was "We don't put years in the infobox. Please read the infobox instructions",[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Press_Your_Luck&type=revision&diff=900072713&oldid=900050094] and the editor in question said on my talk page {{tq|First, you provided NO actual citation (i.e., link) to the alleged "infobox instructions" supporting your claim.}} It seems at least one editor has found an issue with lack of a link so this seems to have come at a good time. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 15:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
* I am wondering whether it would be possible and convenient for you to 1) add an explanation like "Infobox Instructions (Only Shown in '''Preview Mode''')" to the bottom link{{strikethrough|, and 2) restore the old "unknown parameter red alerts" as well}}.
: Reason for 1: It would be helpful for (some) people to realize that the bottom instruction link is not a bug or their own typo. It took me three days to figure out this and resume editing—or maybe I am too dumb…
: {{strikethrough|Reason for 2: The old red alert would be straightforward for people to locate the unknown parameters used by mistake—I edit pages on both English and Chinese Wikipedia. Their infobox templates have slightly different sets of parameters defined, even though they share a same template name. This makes me adding locally unknown parameters from time to time.}}
: Thank you for your time (and sorry for your loss).[[User:Skywayer|Skywayer]] ([[User talk:Skywayer|talk]]) 19:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Skywayer}}, I've just double checked and I still see the red preview. Are you sure it isn't appearing for you? Can you link to an example that it isn't working? --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 20:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Gonnym}} Thank you for pointing out and I was wrong about the disappearance of red alerts. I misunderstood infobox tv source codes that the bottom instruction link would only appear if any unknown parameter was detected—it is coded to be shown as default.
:::For the first point, I don't mind adding the extra text. {{ping|AussieLegend}} any comments on this request? --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:47, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't really see how a line saying "Infobox instructions" could confuse anyone but I don't oppose clarification text. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 13:29, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Skywayer}}, added "(only shown in preview)". --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 15:01, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::Thank you all for the fast response and action:) [[User:Skywayer|Skywayer]] ([[User talk:Skywayer|talk]]) 16:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


== "Years or seasons should not be included"? ==
== "Years or seasons should not be included"? ==

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Planning

Can Planned by be added as parameter? Or can we continue using "Created by" and "Developed by"? The South Korean infobox has it and a lot of articles (TV series articles) use it. Manly, a planner is a production manager that oversees the production company and help it plan the work. He is not part of the production company or it is an entire different company that help plan everything before the production company start shooting. So far people have been using "Created by" and "Developed by" since there is no "Planned by". May question is, which is the correct parameter for this? CherryPie94 (talk)

"Years or seasons should not be included"?

Can someone explain the rationale behind this directive, noted in some but not all the relevant fields? Particularly in the case of Jeopardy!, removing the year/season information greatly reduces the meaningfulness of the information presented without substantially improving the aesthetic of the presentation. It just makes it seem like the show had multiple hosts/producers/directors/announces etc. simultaneously, when a simple inclusion of year/season eliminates any such confusion and keeps things clean. Is not this rule more of a "foolish consistency" hobgoblin? (For reference, here is the first diff that introduced this language, although initially it was only for "starring".) Robert K S (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that this has also been raised at WT:TV#"Years or seasons should not be included"?. --AussieLegend () 14:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stage/scenic designer

Shouldn't Stage designer or scenic designer be included in the template? Ali Pirhayati (talk) 08:40, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a thing that is used in most programs from my experience. --AussieLegend () 09:26, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think all the TV shows have a scenic designer. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 15:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Add "episode_list" as an alternative to "list_episodes"

Proposal: Add |episode_list= as an alternative to |list_episodes= so all 3 television infoboxes (this, {{Infobox television season}} and {{Infobox television episode}}) use the same parameter name, making usage easier for editors (as editors won't need to learn/remember which parameter name is used where), and will make it easier when converting infobox from series->season or season->series. This parameter should also be the one shown in the documentation as while support for the previous one should still exist, it should be discouraged for the benefits given above. --Gonnym (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This infobox is used in 47,000 articles while the other two are used in just under 17,000 so it be more logical to make those templates comply with this than the other way around. I thought we had actually done that some time ago. I remember a discussion. --AussieLegend () 11:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the parameter name of "episode_list" is more clear than "list_episodes", but if that is the only contention point and you think the other is better, I'm ok with going the other way. --Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a followup, while this template is used much more than the other 2, it only has 3240 uses of this parameter, while the other two have 3421 and 8759 - so far less uses. --Gonnym (talk) 12:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

narrator vs narrated

While we're on the subject, I noticed that this uses |narrated=, while {{Infobox episode}} uses |narrator=. Most of the "job" titles are in the latter's style (director, creator, developer, presenter, executive_producer) so this would also benift in changing to fit the style of other job titles and the other infobox. --Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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