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The description needs to be more specific. For example, if a show is of American origin, but is just filmed in Canada, does that mean both countries are listed or only the US?--Ridge Runner (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's whoever produces the show. Doctor Who could be filmed in the US, but the primary broadcaster and producer is a UK station. Smallville is filmed in Vancouver, Canada, but The CW and Warner Brothers are American studios. It should probably read something like, "The show's country of origin is the country in which its production house is located." or something like that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that was my interpretation as well, but I'm seeing a lot of US shows that are listed as also Canadian due to being filmed on location.--Ridge Runner (talk) 17:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't be. The Dark Knight isn't a Chinese film even though it filmed in China. I think we should come up with a clear definition, and those pages should have the Canadian sticker removed.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm just giving it a few days to give anyone else a chance to chime in. What about shows like Stargate? They're permanently filmed (and maybe produced) in Canada, but the corporation that owns them (MGM) is American. I guess one way a person could look at it is the Stargate shows are made at The Bridge Studios in Canada. American movies are also made there, but the movies don't say they're also Canadian - just American.--Ridge Runner (talk) 22:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smallville is 100% filmed in Vancouver. The only thing done in the US is the SFX work, but the show is still an American show, because it's owned and produced by The CW and Warner Bros. Where they film something doesn't really matter, it's about who is producing the show. If the BBC produced Smallville, but filmed it in Kansas, then it would be a British show. It's just like how the Harry Potter books are UK books, but the films are American films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but all of the Potter films are listed as also being British.--Ridge Runner (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duh...lol. Heyday is a British film company, and since they produced the film alongside Warner Bros. that's probably why it's listed as both American and UK. I forgot about Heyday. The Film Project defines "country of origin" as "Insert the home country or countries of the film's main production companies" (see Template:Infobox film). That's probably language we could translate over to the TV box.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Put in the template Rating, because the parents can know the ratings of the show. --Francisco97 (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If parents wanted to know the ratings of a show, they can watch the show as the ratings appear on the TV. In any consequence, a show's ratings have no encyclopedic value unless there is a significance to the rating (like a show receiving controversy because it is more graphic than originally rated, etc.).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But if a parent don't know what is the rating of the show and they wanna see. So we can put rating in template? because is for the parents and in shows like American Dad! has in the template "rating". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisco97 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a TV guide. If a parent wants to know the rating of a show, then there are other, better venues for them to find such information. Wikipedia is about presenting encyclopedic information about a show. We do not include ratings for TV shows for the same reason that film articles don't include MPAA ratings; because ratings vary from channel to channel. What a show is rated on ABC Family might be the same as what it would be rated on BBC, or CanadaTV. Arbitrary numbers mean little in an article unless you can explain why the show was given such a rating. As such, it would be presented in prose form, and not a template listing everything under the Sun.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto what Bignole said. This is not a TV guide nor a parental advisory. Parents can turn to places like CommonSense.com or the like for that. Ratings, even worse than MPAA, are arbitrary and vary from channel to channel, even within American-television for the same series, and many countries have no such ratings. Nor are such ratings appropriate within the prose, as they are primarily American-centric. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that the film infobox automatically links to languages but not the tv infobox? Someone please make it link automatically. 68.35.208.229 (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There has been some edit warring over at Scrubs (TV series) about what exactly should be going in the "last aired" parameter. Personally, I think the use of "present" should be used for returning or airing series as this conforms to WP:OTHERDATE. The article has been held at "{{end date}}" resulting in "October 2, 2001 -  ()" which doesn't agree with MOS and recently, the use of "{{date}}" has been used, resulting in "October 2, 2001 - 24 June 2024" which is incorrect, implying the show ended. What do other editors think? BOVINEBOY2008 :) 14:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The last date should not be used at all unless the series has ended. That said, the current instructions do say to use "date" for the last date of currently running series, which makes little sense to me. I think "on-going" or "present" or leaving blank would be better. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The guideline I mentioned states "1996–present...is preferred in infoboxes", so I support using the word "present". BOVINEBOY2008 :) 14:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. It should simply state "present" for currently airing television shows. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree too. "Present" is far less confusing than date and makes far more sense. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, would everyone agree to this language:

The original airdate of the show's last episode. Use "present" if the show is ongoing or renewed and {{end date}} if the show is ended.

BOVINEBOY2008 :) 04:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as per my comments above. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, present is the most logical. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I went ahead and made the change in the documentation. Does it look alright to everyone? BOVINEBOY2008 :) 21:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This template does not seem to include WP:ALT for images. Please add it. -- Horkana (talk) 01:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The template does not currently include any images as far as I can tell. Images are passed using a full [[File:foo.svg|300px|center|caption|alt=words]] specification, so if the alt is missing, that's up to the page that transcludes the template. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion really has to be made again. Last night Madchester (edits) removed all the flags from the episode list, I reverted half of them and wanted to start this discussion later (should have done this weeks ago but I'm way to busy at the moment), but now Darrenhusted (edits) removed them again. The rules are open to interpretation and the last discussion ended without consensus. I was going to ask for a halt on the adding and removal of flags in the infoboxes, but there are none left. I'll jump back in later as my lunch break is over. Hope that then some of you will have already voiced your views on this. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 13:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]