Please see User_talk:Arcadian#Template:DiseaseDisorder_infobox. If this box is going to be used, I will support a limited form that gives easy access to ICD codes, but I oppose the "cause", "diagnosis", "treatment", "incidence", "prevalence". The information in these fields is often very subtle, has regional variation and would be almost impossible to reference from this box. JFW | T@lk 23:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

For psychiatric diagnoses, I would advocate a box that includes the DSM code in addition to the ICD. JFW | T@lk 23:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Concerning template:DiseaseDisorder infobox:

• Shall we move it to a shorter name?
• In the boxes you placed, each one says "hypoglycemia"
• Are we using ICD-9 codes (as you have done) or ICD-10 ones?

JFW | T@lk 5 July 2005 14:39 (UTC)

Per your questions: (1) "Shall we move it to a shorter name?" I wouldn't have a problem with moving it to a shorter name. I've seen lots of arguments about whether something was a disease or a disorder, and my goal was just to sidestep the argument by explictly incorporating both elements into the name. But if you wanted to move it to a new name, I wouldn't object. (2) "In the boxes you placed, each one says hypoglycemia". I apologize for my error. I was copying over the template, and forgot to substitute the name. It looks like you have already fixed this, and I thank you for doing so. (3) "Are we using ICD-9 codes (as you have done) or ICD-10 ones?" I see you have updated the template already, so that issue appears moot. I'll try to create a page List of ICD-10 codes, parallel to List of ICD-9 codes. Before I do so, do you know if 10 is free for us to use, and if there is a good site for us to get these codes? I know we had clearance on 9, per Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. --Arcadian 5 July 2005 15:13 (UTC)

I cannot possibly imagine there would be restrictions of referencing to ICD-10 codes. There may be copyright issues on republishing the WHOLE list, which we may need to settle. All large health organisations use ICD-10 for coding, so I shouldn't think there would be a problem in using it.

Strictly speaking, do you think the box needs at the top? I'm open to persuation either way, but many articles have images at the top that would be cluttered with a box. On the other hand: where else would we put it? JFW | T@lk 5 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

For your question about should the infobox be on top -- I don't have a problem if it isn't at the top. On the other hand, if your concerns was that it would conflict with other pages that have an image near the top, then we could incorporate a location for the image directly into the template. This could help provide a more consistent interface for the diseases. For example, this is what is done with albums (see [[1]].) --Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)

Per the 9/10 issue -- how would you feel if we added a second line to the template, so that we could store both the 9 and 10 code. The 9 codes are still commonly used in the United States, and we also have a more explicit release to use them than we have for the 10 codes. Also, another user left a message objecting to 10-centric (?) orientation at Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (scroll to bottom). We could address this by adding another line to the template, and in a few years, if 9 codes become fully deprecated, then we could update all the disease pages at once just by updating the template. Any thoughts/objections? --Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)

Sounds OK JFW | T@lk 6 July 2005 20:42 (UTC)

Ok, I've updated the template to include both 9 and 10, and fixed the linked pages where I had the codes (I have a source for 9 but not for 10, so I left those blank for now.) For the image idea -- I'll give people a week or so to object, and if nobody does, then I'll put that in. Thanks again for your assistance and guidance. --Arcadian 6 July 2005 21:06 (UTC)

I have put   instead of whitespace in ICD-9/10 code: because it tends to get broken into two lines if the text on the right hand side is sufficiently long (e.g. see Auditory processing disorder). Looks good to me now but feel free to revert if there's any trouble with this layout. GregorB 21:55, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

• Looks great! Thanks for the improvement Gregor! --Arcadian 22:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not put ICD boxes on pages just dealing with a symptom[2]. This creates confusion and adds very little information. JFW | T@lk 06:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have created the Template:SignSymptom infobox to address your concerns. The ICD codes do add valuable information -- see the sections ICD 9 signs/symptoms and ICD 10 signs/symptoms. --Arcadian 15:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is continuing at the WikiProject Clinical medicine. JFW | T@lk 22:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Process

• Should each infobox be discussed here before adding it to the page, or should we add them to the page and then improve them incrementally? --Arcadian 00:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Diseases/Disorders vs. Signs/Symptoms

• How should we handle conditions like Ataxia, which can be both diseases and signs? --Arcadian 00:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ranges

• How should we handle conditions like Leukemia, which is not a single disease with a single code but covers the ICD-10 range from C91-C95? --Arcadian 00:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]